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Sway
05-21-2004, 01:14 PM
I hate to bring this up again..just an interesting article tho...and dont bash the messenger of the article..if u dont like it..just hit back on ur browser..and u dont have to read...:)

http://aztlan.net/berg_abu_ghraib_video.htm (warning they have other stuff like the photos form the prison...so if u dont wanna look ill post the article here).

by
Hector Carreon
La Voz de Aztlan

Los Angeles, Alta California - May 16, 2004 - (ACN) There is now ample evidence that the video showing the decapitation of 26 year old Nicholas Berg of Philadelphia by purported Al queda members is a complete fraud. The real Nick Berg may or may not be dead, but the heavily edited video is nothing but a fake. This is the conclusion of La Voz de Aztlan after a frame by frame analysis and the conclusion of hundreds of film, medical and other experts world wide who downloaded, viewed and analyzed the video as well. Literally thousands of persons world wide requested the video, which is rapidly disappearing from the Internet, after our news service published "Nick Berg decapitation video declared a fraud by medical doctor" on Wednesday May 12 and which was linked by other independent news services on the World Wide Web.

With the advent of the Internet, computers and sophisticated programs it has become increasingly difficult for governments to "pull the wool" over the eyes of their citizens. The Internet has essentially allowed freedom loving people around the world to form communication networks that can now out compete the best intelligence government agencies or special operations groups. This has certainly been the case with the hastily released and shoddy video showing five phoney Al queda members participating in the decapitation of Nicholas Berg that was intended, exclusively, to defray attention from the scandalous ****** abuses of Iraqi POW's that took place at the Abu Ghraib prison outside Baghdad. Evidence in fact shows that the Berg decapitation was filmed inside the walls of the notorious Abu Ghraib prison, this cursed dungeon where probably Satan himself roams its corridors.

It is now known that the opportune decapitation video was first uploaded from London, England to a now defunct website in a server located in Malaysia. The website at http://www.al-asnar.biz was shut down as soon as conservative news outlets like CNN and Fox News were notified. These two news services wasted no time in coming out with headlines like "Islamic Terrorists Decapitate an American in Iraq". Within minutes, local news services from New York to Los Angeles were screaming "Muslim Animals Chop Off the Head of an American" and were showing only short segments of the fake video. Pro-Zionist radio stations in Los Angeles have spent literally days since then talking about the Muslim barbarians and why it is so important to support the war in Iraq.

La Voz de Aztlan became mighty suspicious when we first saw a photograph of the purported Nicholas Berg sitting in front of his captors on a white plastic chair that looked very familiar. In addition, the orange prison overalls he was wearing in the video looked mighty familiar as well. La Voz de Aztlan is very lucky that we have a very large readership base that utilizes both e-mail and our "News-Tips Form" on our home page to send us information. Within minutes we were sent the URL where we could download the entire and original video of Nicholas Berg's decapitation. Immediately after viewing the video, we knew that many things about the video just didn't look right and which defied simple logic.

Some peculiar anomalies became readily apparent after watching the video and others followed after careful analysis. Many of the anomalies were pointed out to us by our readers who responded after downloading and viewing the video themselves. Please refer to the photographs published, along with this article, on our website at http://www.aztlan.net/berg_abu_ghraib_video.htm as these anomalies are described and enumerated below:


Photo 1 - frame from phoney video

Photo 2 - Guantanamo orange overalls
1. Notice the standard US Military Police issued prisoner overalls that Nicholas Berg is wearing in Photo 1. The orange color prisoner overalls that Nicholas Berg is wearing are identical to the ones Islamic prisoners are made to wear by the US Military Police at the Guantanamo, Cuba prison as shown in Photo 2.


Photo 3 - Compare this chair with Photo 1
2. Notice the white plastic chair that Nicholas Berg is sitting on as shown in Photo 1. It is identical to the white plastic chair that the now infamous Pfc. Lynddie England is sitting on at the Abu Ghraib prison as shown in Photo 3. This same white plastic chair can also be seen in the horrid photograph where an MP is sodomizing an Iraqi POW with his finger at the upper right corner of Photo 4. In addition, it can be seen on the lower left side of Photo 5.

3. The color and texture of the wall as shown in the frames taken from the video as shown in Photo 1 and Photo 6 are the same as those of the Abu Ghraib prison shown in Photo 4.


Photo 4 - Look at wall, chair and cap encircled

Animated Photo 7 -This is the most damning evidence

Photo 9 - Back of military jacket of person poking his head from the right
4. The most telling evidence that the video of the decapitation of Nicholas Berg was taken inside the Abu Ghraib prison can only be detected by performing a frame by frame analysis. La Voz de Aztlan did just that and some revealing frames came up that are difficult to see if the video is played on normal speed. Towards the end of the video, at frames 9306 through 9368, a person with a US military cap temporarily pokes about a quarter of his left head into the video. His neck, left ear and part of his cap and visor can be seen. We have prepared an animated gif with just the relevant frames that clearly shows this at Animated Photo 7. Look at the right hand side as someone with a military cap, possibly with a second video camera, pokes his head into the video. Also, Photo 9 shows part of his military jacket. Compare this animated gif with the MP whose cap is circled on Photo 4.


Photo 5 -Look at white plastic chair

Photo 6 - Five phoney Al queda terrorists from a video frame
Anyone who views the video will see that it is phoney. The five so call terrorists are phoney. The one on the extreme right in Photo 6 is pudgy and is wearing very clean tennis shoes. This will not be the case with an Al queda fighter. Also, Photo 6 shows that at least three of them are wearing Israeli Uzi ammunition clips. The Uzi can been seen when the operative on the extreme right adjusts the assault rifle. Look at the garb that all five are wearing. They look like Halloween costumes.

For the time being, the mainstream media is totally ignoring the above evidence. Hopefully soon some brave mainstream publisher will dare to bring this important information to the American people. The nation needs to know who was and what really happened to Nicholas Berg

Romulus
05-21-2004, 01:21 PM
How bout they look at his dead body! Or is that fake too.

****ing people have to much god damn time on their hands.

Sway
05-21-2004, 01:23 PM
he could have still been decapitated...its stating the video was fake and the dude is just pointing out, why he thinks its fake

Bootneck
05-21-2004, 01:31 PM
Ok, I won't flame you, I'll just flame the site that published this crap. La Voz de Aztlan - a "brown power" ultra leftist site. Great source.

Oh, and I'm coming to you live from the future Republica Del Norte (which, according to the Voz de Aztlan, will encompass all of California, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas and southern Colorado, plus the northern tier of Mexican states: Baja California, Sonora, Chihuahua, Coahuila, Nuevo León and Tamaulipas.)

moughoun
05-21-2004, 01:33 PM
Ya that La Voz de Aztlan site make's normal leftie's seem like attila the hun it's bs by Jeebus

Midtown
05-21-2004, 01:39 PM
uhh...didnt they find the body?

Herrmannek
05-21-2004, 01:42 PM
I have identical chairs at home... and half of Poland also, they were sold at 1$ per piece at all markets around the globe so posession of such chair isn't nothing special or strange :) ...

Sway
05-21-2004, 01:42 PM
uhh...didnt they find the body?

*sigh* read my post after romulus

Sway
05-21-2004, 01:43 PM
I have identical chairs at home... and half of Poland also, they were sold at 1$ per piece at all markets around the globe so posession of such chair isn't nothing special or strange :) ...

lol herm...maybe thats just a coincidence then :lol: lets call this writer..and tell him to take that part of the article off :P

Romulus
05-21-2004, 01:44 PM
And you believe all this sway?

Wow.

Sway
05-21-2004, 01:54 PM
i think it may be a possibility...still to early to justify... not knocking off any possibilities...got to keep a level head.

scm77
05-21-2004, 01:57 PM
Photo 3 - Compare this chair with Photo 1
2. Notice the white plastic chair that Nicholas Berg is sitting on as shown in Photo 1. It is identical to the white plastic chair that the now infamous Pfc. Lynddie England is sitting on at the Abu Ghraib prison as shown in Photo 3. This same white plastic chair can also be seen in the horrid photograph where an MP is sodomizing an Iraqi POW with his finger at the upper right corner of Photo 4. In addition, it can be seen on the lower left side of Photo 5.


OMG! I have the exact same plastic chair in my yard! I must be living in Abu Garib! :roll: :bash: :cantbeli:

Romulus
05-21-2004, 02:00 PM
i think it may be a possibility...still to early to justify... not knocking off any possibilities...got to keep a level head.


Well, with that rational I guess it was Elvis and Bigfoot who were behind barbaric murder.

This is the kind of bull**** that drove me away from my Democratic/liberal life. Crazy **** that I hear from people about conspiracy theories is enough to make me sick.

Sway
05-21-2004, 02:00 PM
that was funny the first time around....when herm said it...but u just killed it :roll:

Sway
05-21-2004, 02:02 PM
i think it may be a possibility...still to early to justify... not knocking off any possibilities...got to keep a level head.


Well, with that rational I guess it was Elvis and Bigfoot who were behind barbaric murder.

This is the kind of bull**** that drove me away from my Democratic/liberal life. Crazy **** that I hear from people about conspiracy theories is enough to make me sick.

Never know ... i heard elvis's name mentioned.. once or twice with it... :roll:

Herrmannek
05-21-2004, 02:02 PM
that was funny the first time around....when herm said it...but u just killed it :roll:

Tell me Sway, you have same chairs too :)

Sway
05-21-2004, 02:04 PM
that was funny the first time around....when herm said it...but u just killed it :roll:

Tell me Sway, you have same chairs too :)

no, but will u sell me them...ill pay double price at the rate u got them for :lol:

Dennis G
05-21-2004, 02:07 PM
:cantbeli: Sway :roll:

Sway
05-21-2004, 02:08 PM
lol this is just food for thought!!! dont get mad!! thats what these forums are for..right?? to show different sides of everything.... you dont got to believe it...dennis... anyways please direct ur thoughts towards the article..not towards me... since i wont be responding anymore..i got a final i have to get to...

salam

American Patriot
05-21-2004, 02:09 PM
Yes, folks, Leftists are just that crazy!

Bootneck
05-21-2004, 02:15 PM
Great, then welcome to the forum. You seem to be filling a void. :roll:

aloha


lol this is just food for thought!!! dont get mad!! thats what these forums are for..right?? to show different sides of everything.... you dont got to believe it...dennis... anyways please direct ur thoughts towards the article..not towards me... since i wont be responding anymore..i got a final i have to get to...

salam

Pacey
05-21-2004, 03:22 PM
Just looked at their "evidence" pictures....simply hilarious. rofl
Everytime such a crappy pixel show hits the net people try to bend it to their tastes...remember last year a ultraleftist site in germany actually tried to convince the public that no aircrafts hit the WTC but Cruise missles. And as evidence they gave a similar very badly converted video in which they claimed that the aircraft was edited later...and they were serious about it... :cantbeli:

Oh well, I think, some people simply do not want to accept certain things... :petting:

usa320
05-21-2004, 04:04 PM
Anyone who belives this horse**** conspiracy theories probably believes the Pentagon was hit by a cruise missile as well.

:cantbeli:

Romulus
05-21-2004, 04:15 PM
Anyone who belives this horse**** conspiracy theories probably believes the Pentagon was hit by a cruise missile as well.

I've even heard it was aliens. :backhand:

Secret Squirrel
05-21-2004, 04:34 PM
Anyone who belives this horse**** conspiracy theories probably believes the Pentagon was hit by a cruise missile as well.

I've even heard it was aliens. :backhand:

I heard it was Nader. rofl

Resevoir Hogs
05-21-2004, 05:01 PM
Ok so lets look at what we know for sure. Nick berg is dead by decapitation as we have his body.

What is more likely? The islamic terrorists video taped his head being cut off as they have done so many other times to the Russian POWs in Chechneya? OR they took the time to make a face mold, make a plaster mawk head of nick berg from the mold and put it in a kiln or use some other process 1970s special effects people had to go through, make a fake body and fill it with blood and then re-enact what they did?

Give me a freaking break, I feel sorry for you and your kind sway. :bash:

Jack Mehoff
05-21-2004, 05:03 PM
Yeah, the abused POWs incident in Iraq is also fake.

Secret Squirrel
05-21-2004, 05:03 PM
Ok so lets look at what we know for sure. Nick berg is dead by decapitation as we have his body.

What is more likely? The islamic terrorists video taped his head being cut off as they have done so many other times to the Russian POWs in Chechneya? OR they took the time to make a face mold, make a fake body and fill it with blood and then re-enact what they did?

Give me a freaking break, I feel sorry for you and your kind sway. :bash:

its not a question of a fake body, its a question of if the U.S had any involvement, either directly or indirectly, in his death.

California Joe
05-21-2004, 05:05 PM
It was Miss Scarlett, in the library, with a candlestick.

Resevoir Hogs
05-21-2004, 05:06 PM
Secret Squirel Don't you dare try and sidetrack what I'm saying. I'm responding to sway for one, and the validity of the video is in question so get your head screwed on straight.

American Patriot
05-21-2004, 05:07 PM
Ok so lets look at what we know for sure. Nick berg is dead by decapitation as we have his body.

What is more likely? The islamic terrorists video taped his head being cut off as they have done so many other times to the Russian POWs in Chechneya? OR they took the time to make a face mold, make a fake body and fill it with blood and then re-enact what they did?

Give me a freaking break, I feel sorry for you and your kind sway. :bash:

its not a question of a fake body, its a question of if the U.S had any involvement, either directly or indirectly, in his death.

We're just not that kind of country.

Look at the hajji abuse scandal for example. The Arabs are amazed that the Military is investigating and handing out 1 year sentences to the MP pogues just for taking a couple of photos!

Secret Squirrel
05-21-2004, 05:10 PM
Secret Squirel Don't you dare try and sidetrack what I'm saying. I'm responding to sway for one, and the validity of the video is in question so get your head screwed on straight.

but thats what the link and this "conspiracy theory" is all about; thats the whole validity question you pointed out.

Sway
05-21-2004, 05:11 PM
squirrel is right on the response hog...

and american patriot... thats what youd like to believe that were not that kind of country...everyone hates being tricked... i mean dont forget the iraq war started on WMD's ...which havent been found rofl ...they fooled us once...shame on them... if they fool us twice...shame on us....so before making any sort of judgement...im keeping everything open...i wont say that the U.S government did it for a fact...but it is a Possibility.. as much as youd hate to believe it.....just gotta be careful..thats all

Jack Mehoff
05-21-2004, 05:12 PM
Yeah, the abused POWs incident in Iraq is also fake.

Haiw
05-21-2004, 05:13 PM
This thread is fake. (This post and this thread only exists in your head. If you can read this, go see a doctor.)

Resevoir Hogs
05-21-2004, 05:14 PM
For one I haven't read every idiots post here and I don't care for gay ass conspiracy theories that prefer to weigh little fictional connections against overwhelming facts to the contrary.

Did I say anything about said theory? No so don't waste my time with pointless posts! **** I'm in a bad mood today, ah well.

Sway
05-21-2004, 05:15 PM
Thats the problem.. u see an article you hate and u reject it right away... thas a closed minded point of view....tried to look at it with an open mind...thats all im saying... once again...its another possibility...not saying its a FACT...its just another possibility

American Patriot
05-21-2004, 05:15 PM
If only you conspiracy theorists had as much distrust for your federal government as you have for the US's

California Joe
05-21-2004, 05:17 PM
He's right. Last time I had my head cut off I bled like a bastard.

Sway
05-21-2004, 05:18 PM
If only you conspiracy theorists had as much distrust for your federal government as you have for the US's

Last time i checked ...my federal government was the U.S's :roll:

American Patriot
05-21-2004, 05:19 PM
http://zapatopi.net/afdb.html

http://zapatopi.net/afdb/afdbhead.jpg

Resevoir Hogs
05-21-2004, 05:20 PM
OK what in the hell are you people talking about? Where does the US government come into this? Did I say anything about that?

I asked a straight forward question and I expected a straight forward answer! But obviously that is beyond your abilities sway.


u see an article you hate and u reject it right away


american patriot... thats what youd like to believe that were not that kind of country
For future reference don't ever ****ing tell me what I believe based on 1 post I made.

Just so you know I did read the article and no I am not close minded. However I went and watched the video and unless the Islamics are into making facial recreations to behead on camera and have the equipment to make such masks then I'd have to say it was a real beheading.

Sway
05-21-2004, 05:20 PM
He's right. Last time I had my head cut off I bled like a bastard.

lol joe that was actually pretty funny :lol:

XASA
05-21-2004, 05:23 PM
Thats the problem.. u see an article you hate and u reject it right away... thas a closed minded point of view....tried to look at it with an open mind...thats all im saying... once again...its another possibility...not saying its a FACT...its just another possibility

It's not a matter of rejecting the article or looking at it with an open mind. The story is so bogus it belongs in the National Enquirer next to "I've been abducted by aliens" material.

When you take into consideration its source and your insistence that it is even remotely possible, you leave yourself open to others questioning your ability to judge the truth. If there was even the remotest possiblity that it didn't happen, don't you think that other media outlets would have picked up the story by now? Or are they all in on the conspiracy? You've made your point, now move on nothing more there to see except for what is in your fervent imagination ;)

Sway
05-21-2004, 05:30 PM
Just so you know I did read the article and no I am not close minded. However I went and watched the video and unless the Islamics are into making facial recreations to behead on camera and have the equipment to make such masks then I'd have to say it was a real beheading.

I never said he didnt get beheaded...im saying ur jumping to conclusions...when they dont even know who the culprits are...so theres TONS of possibilites out there!!! OKay let me tell you how the U.S Govn.... came into this ...be4 the beheading took place....the entire focus in the world was on the abu gharib.... then all of a sudden theres a video of a beheading....when the whole world is focused on the torture chambers in iraq... a video comes out.... so what does that cause....that causes a shift in focus...now everyone is focused on the video....THAT is why they are saying it is a possibility that the U.S govn is behind it....i can go more in depth if u like ...but ill just keep it simple for now....because obviously im being bashed..when i didnt write the article....

Also dont tell you what to believe based on 1 post you made?? where did i tell you what u believe? Your the one who said WERE NOT THAT KIND OF COUNTRY!!! so it was hard for me to lay off that!! if u dont want me to judge you based on what u say ...what am i supposed to judge u on then?

Pacey
05-21-2004, 05:32 PM
@XASA

Fully Agree! This crap is so far fetched, its not worth this discussion!

Sway
05-21-2004, 05:32 PM
Thats the problem.. u see an article you hate and u reject it right away... thas a closed minded point of view....tried to look at it with an open mind...thats all im saying... once again...its another possibility...not saying its a FACT...its just another possibility

It's not a matter of rejecting the article or looking at it with an open mind. The story is so bogus it belongs in the National Enquirer next to "I've been abducted by aliens" material.

When you take into consideration its source and your insistence that it is even remotely possible, you leave yourself open to others questioning your ability to judge the truth. If there was even the remotest possiblity that it didn't happen, don't you think that other media outlets would have picked up the story by now? Or are they all in on the conspiracy? You've made your point, now move on nothing more there to see except for what is in your fervent imagination ;)

Okay so its a source u dont like...theres other sources tooo which state different possibilities.... and yes ill move on...when i stop getting bashed....theres other good articles on the forum..that need responding to heh

Resevoir Hogs
05-21-2004, 05:43 PM
HAHAHA other threads that need responding to? So far the only threads you have responded to have had something to do with the decapatation, the prisoner abuse scandal or the bin ladens and lastly Israeli/Palestine.

here's a list
Decapitation Video a Fake?
Two held in Berg beheading case
HAMAS LEADER KILLED IN AIR STRIKE (Just Breaking)
Bin Laden Family to construct worlds tallest building
More pictures of prison abuse found
Definition of Zionism
Officials say methods at prison broke rules
Muslims torture Christian to death

I think your intentions here are very clear you troll.

Also you're a ****ing moron I didn't say we're not that type of country you **** nut American Patriot said that idiot.

You made the assumption that I didn't read the article and I thought it was total bull from the start.[/quote]

Sway
05-21-2004, 05:50 PM
envy and jealousy... i like it ....all cuz i dont respond doesnt mean i dont read other ones.....i respond when i feel another take has to be said....i love how u looked at all my posts ....do i really get to u that much?? u state my intentions....so tell me what are they...to show another perspective??? which is what i showed in some other ones...to show how i feel....which is what i showed in some other ones....or like this thread that i started...to show another view...? hehe resorting to insults...keep them coming woot

XASA
05-21-2004, 06:02 PM
OMG! Another student who feels he has to share the truth as he sees it with forum members who need to be rescued from the American War Machine's Matrix;) Guess what? Nobody cares what you think. You have made a very poor first impression if you expect members to take your comments seriously.

It's funny how this NOOB starts the thread saying he doesn't want to start a flame war then proceeds to propagate the same old tired BS, then whines about being bashed when others comment on his incoherent and outrageous posts. If you want to "debate," try starting a topic that isn't so ludicrous. If you don't know how, I would suggest taking time out to read some of the threads started by Tane Angle or Trident-za, both, along with myself and many others, have spoken out against the current situation in Iraq without sounding as if they have been watching "Twilight Zone" reruns.