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zerkalli
01-12-2008, 05:21 PM
HI!

I open this new thread for posting old pictures from WW II with destroyed tanks, trucks and other.

I begin with destroyed KV-2.

:|

Ngati Tumatauenga
01-12-2008, 05:28 PM
Next time put photo threads in the photo forum.

khalifah
01-12-2008, 09:14 PM
How was this one destroyed?
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=39539&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1200176460 (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=39539&d=1200176460)

BTW welcome to the site:)

MZKT
01-12-2008, 10:05 PM
Probably direct bomb hit from a Ju-87.

hank
01-13-2008, 01:01 AM
I think I've read about this pircute before. The Germans immobilized this KV-2 with numerous hits from 37 and 50 mm tank guns (IIRC it was summer 1941). Finally they actually disabled it to the point where the turret could no longer traverse and the tank and its turrent were completely immobile. They then wheeld in a 150mm artillery piece and fired at the side of the turret with HE at nearly point blank range. It blew the turrent completely off with kinetic energy and the HE blast made it hard to even tell what the vehicle had been. This was the German's first experience with KV-2 and it shocked the German high command much like the T-34. Some of the more knowledgeable Russians on the fourm will point out my errors as I am sure I have made several, but that is my recollection of reading about this. I am sorry to say I don't remember the source. Never seen this picture before. Many thanks for posting it. I hope it is from the incident I recall reading about.

hank

I can't think of a name
01-13-2008, 02:52 AM
The Germans feared the KV series early on, they really did. The T-34 and KV tanks were very tough to deal with if you were in PIIs, Short Barreled PIIIs and Panzer 38(t)s.

Code 51 50
01-13-2008, 07:57 AM
T-34, Don't know what exactly happened.

http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/i1506807_320T34s20piled20up20at20Lvovdotjpg (http://www.imagehosting.com)

http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/i1506824_battlekursk0103dotjpg (http://www.imagehosting.com)

http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/i1506845_BT720tank20closeupdotjpg (http://www.imagehosting.com)

Captured KV2

http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/i1506817_KV220tank20with20many20mendotjpg[/url]

Disabled StormTiger in France

http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/i1506848_PanzerVIStormTigerFrance1944dotjpg (http://www.imagehosting.com)


Can't post other photos because they have dead bodies in and around the tanks.

Delta11
01-13-2008, 08:05 AM
http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Quarters/4635/tanks/kv1/kv1.htm

There's some pictures inside of destroyed KV tanks and the stories behind them.

Herman the II
01-13-2008, 08:08 AM
T-34, Don't know what exactly happened.

http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/i1506845_BT720tank20closeupdotjpg (http://www.imagehosting.com)



I believe this one shows a BT-7, interesting pictures none the less.

Code 51 50
01-13-2008, 08:14 AM
I believe this one shows a BT-7, interesting pictures none the less.

Your right, I should of looked at the turret, the road wheels look similar.

MZKT
01-13-2008, 08:47 AM
Wel T-34 has one wheel per side more :)

Panhard_Commander
01-13-2008, 09:17 AM
very nice pics and thread, please keep photos coming

CPL Trevoga
01-13-2008, 10:22 AM
T-34, Don't know what exactly happened.

http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/i1506824_battlekursk0103dotjpg (http://www.imagehosting.com)

Can't post other photos because they have dead bodies in and around the tanks.

This T34/76 1943 is unique because it's turret was stamped with a shipbuilding press.


Go to http://www.battlefield.ru/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=204&Itemid=105

They have section for German and Soviet destroyed tanks.

Smok
01-13-2008, 10:39 AM
T-34, Don't know what exactly happened.

http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/i1506807_320T34s20piled20up20at20Lvovdotjpg (http://www.imagehosting.com)



I saw description, that these tanks were bombed. One T-34 was turned over because of blast or because it felt into bomb hole.
You can see holes in the ground on that photo.

Code 51 50
01-13-2008, 10:40 AM
Destroyed T-34 and IS-2

http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/i1507063_untitled987qmdotjpg (http://www.imagehosting.com)

http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/i1507065_untitled658rddotjpg (http://www.imagehosting.com)

Venom PL
01-13-2008, 10:48 AM
Destroyed T-72

http://www.greendevils.pl/t_h_c/pol_ppanc/t-72_spalonydotjpg

T-26

http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/1953/masakra6updotjpg

T-34

http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/5963/destroyedt347ybdotjpg

PzKpfw V Panther

http://www.roadtrippin.org/3rdarmored/pics/Pict0007dotJPG

T-34 (at least what's left of him).

http://www.sodatkuvina.cjb.net/images/Jatkosota/Rintama/4407Tali-Ihantaladotjpg

T-54

http://www.aliciapatterson.org/APF2003/Sloyan/Sloyan01dotjpg

T-55

http://www.arcent.army.mil/cflcc_today/2003/april/images/apr01_03/02_04dotjpg

T-72

http://cseserv.engr.scu.edu/StudentWebPages/IPesic/ResearchPaper_files/image059dotjpg

Name Taken
01-13-2008, 10:55 AM
A few from the collection, assorted Tigers and Panthers

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h180/JohnMatrix_photos/deadtigerdotjpg

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h180/JohnMatrix_photos/deadtiger2dotjpg

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h180/JohnMatrix_photos/deadtiggydotjpg

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h180/JohnMatrix_photos/coolpantherdotjpg

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h180/JohnMatrix_photos/deadpantherdotjpg

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h180/JohnMatrix_photos/deadpanthersdotjpg

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h180/JohnMatrix_photos/KingTigerIIIdotjpg

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h180/JohnMatrix_photos/panther_3dotjpg

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h180/JohnMatrix_photos/panther_5dotjpg

Tempest II
01-13-2008, 11:04 AM
2 x Olifant tanks, Cuito Cuanavale, Angola.

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/1616/olifant17tddestryoedatcrq6dotjpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/3311/olifant22bwdestroyedatcng2dotjpg (http://imageshack.us)

TheArmenian
01-13-2008, 11:06 AM
Delete post...

Tempest II
01-13-2008, 11:44 AM
M1s

http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/3894/m1abramsusarmy06rj3dotjpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/1832/abrams24201qv5dotjpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/4955/abrams12333mv2dotjpg (http://imageshack.us)


http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/8369/d2185oo4dotjpg (http://imageshack.us)


http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/9177/abrams20182ce7dotjpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/9220/abrams05752lu3dotjpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/133/d5154ja4dotjpg (http://imageshack.us)

USMC29
01-13-2008, 05:42 PM
M1s

http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/3894/m1abramsusarmy06rj3dotjpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/1832/abrams24201qv5dotjpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/4955/abrams12333mv2dotjpg (http://imageshack.us)


http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/8369/d2185oo4dotjpg (http://imageshack.us)


http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/9177/abrams20182ce7dotjpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/9220/abrams05752lu3dotjpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/133/d5154ja4dotjpg (http://imageshack.us)

Any details on these? I know a couple were destroyed by friendlies after being immobilized but any destroyed by the enemy?

meatrabbit
01-13-2008, 05:46 PM
Sad, I really hope none of the guys in these tanks were killed.

Kvakva
01-13-2008, 06:08 PM
King Tiger

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/3672/06zt5dotjpg

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/7272/275401e8fqdj4dotjpg

Ferdinand direct hit from Pe-2 (ПЕ-2)
http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/4304/ferd29bx7dotjpg

Tiger
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/650/pz656gj1dotjpg

Bombtrack
01-13-2008, 06:11 PM
Any details on these? I know a couple were destroyed by friendlies after being immobilized but any destroyed by the enemy?

AFAIK a few were disabled by enemy fire, but none destroyed by the enemy. If they couldnt tow them out they'd be destroyed by fast air or other means.

Kvakva
01-13-2008, 06:15 PM
Syrian panzer IV
http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/2351/pziv39uh5dotjpg


Pz V disguised as M-10
http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/1629/pzv24lq2dotjpg

Pz V Ukrainian front 1944
http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/3527/pzv25uf1dotjpg

Destroyed by retreating germans
http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/1526/pzv32xs6dotjpg


http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/76/pzvib2lj0dotjpg

August 1944 East front
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/9014/pzvib4fy2dotjpg

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/620/tank6mw1dotjpg

MZKT
01-13-2008, 06:27 PM
AFAIK a few were disabled by enemy fire, but none destroyed by the enemy. If they couldnt tow them out they'd be destroyed by fast air or other means.

At least the one without the turret seems to have taken an large IED. Those which are burned out are also usually consequences of RPG-hits in fuel tanks.

Here's a famous one. It's the Panther destroyed by M26 in fron of Cologne Cathedral. The incident was taped.
http://lh5.google.com/christianhahninfo/RlFaLizBVnI/AAAAAAAAABA/70T_nt7moJE/cathedral.panzer.2.jpeg&imgmax=640

Tempest II
01-13-2008, 06:32 PM
AFAIK a few were disabled by enemy fire, but none destroyed by the enemy. If they couldnt tow them out they'd be destroyed by fast air or other means.

Here is a forum discussing M1 losses: http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?p=801631&sid=cf46b2e0691c8244b7abf34ae13c6196

USMC29
01-13-2008, 09:37 PM
Here is a forum discussing M1 losses: http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?p=801631&sid=cf46b2e0691c8244b7abf34ae13c6196

Wow that one guy on there really wants to downplay the Abrams. He does not understand that "survivability" means the crews survival and not the tanks survival. Idiot.

SupportTheTroops_5
01-13-2008, 09:50 PM
all the people on that site are idiots. the one guy said the last tank in service that crew members actually trusted was the tiger:roll:, i am sure the M1A1, Leo 1 & 2, and many others are highly respected by the troops that operate them

Tempest II
01-13-2008, 09:51 PM
Wow that one guy on there really wants to downplay the Abrams. He does not understand that "survivability" means the crews survival and not the tanks survival. Idiot.

Noticed him too. What I obeserved with the photos is that none of them is really blown apart.

larrystarling
01-13-2008, 10:00 PM
Noticed him too. What I obeserved with the photos is that none of them is really blown apart.
And most of them have been rebuilt in Anniston depot and returned to service.....

SupportTheTroops_5
01-13-2008, 10:00 PM
an LAV25 destroyed by an A10 in Desert Storm.
most of the vehicle losses in Desert Storm were due to friendly fire:-(

Holycrusader
01-13-2008, 11:14 PM
Any details on these? I know a couple were destroyed by friendlies after being immobilized but any destroyed by the enemy?

What is your definition of destroyed tank?
Its very hard to destroy totally something that weight 70 tonn. You will need a very big IED to do such thing.

I read that more than 80 M1 tanks were evacuated from Iraq to be rebuild or put too scrap in USA (data from year or two ago). If enemy was able to penetrate front armour on Challenger 2 he is able to do the same tricks on Abrams if he hit with right weapon in right spot...

For me destroyed tanks mean tank you cannont use again in reasonable amount of time. From enemy point of view tank that you withdrew from combat on half a year is as good as destroyed. From producent point of view such tank will only be "damaged"...

Jippo
01-14-2008, 01:40 AM
For me destroyed tanks mean tank you cannont use again in reasonable amount of time. From enemy point of view tank that you withdrew from combat on half a year is as good as destroyed. From producent point of view such tank will only be "damaged"...

Also there is the political value of downplaying tank losses to the general public. It is not a loss if you can build it up again, thus making 80 destroyed tanks 10 destroyed & 70 damaged. And damaged is not bad.

Holycrusader
01-14-2008, 07:39 AM
Also there is the political value of downplaying tank losses to the general public. It is not a loss if you can build it up again, thus making 80 destroyed tanks 10 destroyed & 70 damaged. And damaged is not bad.

True, true. Thats why we still have people suprised when they see destroyed M1/Merkava/T90 etc. Somehow they believe that new generation tank are undestructible...
Sadly this is a myth...

Brian013086
01-14-2008, 10:43 AM
http://naoruzanje.paracin.co.yu/m84-8dotjpg

Well that is certinley interesting!!

The turret must have been blown fairly high in the air for it to have enough force to get stuck in the ground.

Jippo
01-14-2008, 11:05 AM
It will go high when tonne of explosives go of simultaneously under it.

Brian013086
01-14-2008, 11:52 AM
http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee178/PolarisBrian/DD-SD-00-00689dotjpg


Three abandoned Somali (US Manufactured) M47 Tanks sit destroyed amongst some trees near a warehouse. The US Army's 10th Mountain Division (not shown) stumbled across the abandoned tank. This mission is in support of Operation Restore Hope.

Basillicus
01-14-2008, 12:13 PM
Horrible death if you ask me, there are some photos of M84A blown up in Slovenia's 10 day war with crew still inside, sick if you ask me.

I don't know, at least I'd rather splatter all over the place in a fraction of a second than e.g. burn or bleed to death. Of course there isn't probably much left to burry but that would hardly matter for me since I'd be already dead.:-(

HS2000
01-14-2008, 01:15 PM
QUESTION: Is this a Croatian or Serbian M-84 destroyed in Knin in august 1995 (note the overturned turet)? Source: www.domovinskirat.com (http://www.domovinskirat.com)

Sirpad
01-14-2008, 01:25 PM
Op Desert Storm, 1991

destroyed convoy
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/5575/destroyediraqiconvoy0zx2dotjpg (http://imageshack.us)

cutouts from hi res of photo above
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/8229/destroyediraqiconvoy1jr5dotjpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/963/destroyediraqiconvoy2vj7dotjpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/2859/destroyediraqiconvoy3fn4dotjpg (http://imageshack.us)

Destroyed Iraqi T-55
http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/6690/destroyediraqit55mv4dotjpg (http://imageshack.us)

and another one
http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/5907/anotherdestroyediraqit5pj3dotjpg (http://imageshack.us)

Iraqi T-55 penetrated
http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/4096/iraqit55penetratedqs1dotjpg (http://imageshack.us)

Mike Keenan
01-14-2008, 01:25 PM
Tiger
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/650/pz656gj1dotjpg
Did the tiger got stuck and was knocked out by a couple of PIAT rounds up close

Syrian panzer IV
http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/2351/pziv39uh5dotjpg


I believe this panzer was destroyed by a centurion from behind

USMC29
01-14-2008, 01:36 PM
What is your definition of destroyed tank?
Its very hard to destroy totally something that weight 70 tonn. You will need a very big IED to do such thing.

I read that more than 80 M1 tanks were evacuated from Iraq to be rebuild or put too scrap in USA (data from year or two ago). If enemy was able to penetrate front armour on Challenger 2 he is able to do the same tricks on Abrams if he hit with right weapon in right spot...

For me destroyed tanks mean tank you cannont use again in reasonable amount of time. From enemy point of view tank that you withdrew from combat on half a year is as good as destroyed. From producent point of view such tank will only be "damaged"...

Destroyed to me is that you cannot use your vehicle in any sort of way and is consumed and/or has been consumed by fire. Thus most M1 were immobilized by the enemy (I.e track blown off) and the crew were in a position were it was not prudent to repair the track in the hostile situation. Also the tank could not be towed at the time so friendlies fired a sabot round point blank into the tank to keep it from the hands of the enemy, thus destroying it, making it totally unusable, not reusable, at the time.

SupportTheTroops_5
01-14-2008, 03:44 PM
http://naoruzanje.paracin.co.yu/m84-8dotjpg
wow! RIP to the crew whoever they were but that is insane! the turret looks really cool sticking outta the ground.

MZKT
01-14-2008, 04:44 PM
Destroyed to me is that you cannot use your vehicle in any sort of way and is consumed and/or has been consumed by fire. Thus most M1 were immobilized by the enemy (I.e track blown off) and the crew were in a position were it was not prudent to repair the track in the hostile situation. Also the tank could not be towed at the time so friendlies fired a sabot round point blank into the tank to keep it from the hands of the enemy, thus destroying it, making it totally unusable, not reusable, at the time.

Well by this definition of "destroyed" even this Abrams is not destroyed but only damaged. The tank can be "repaired" by mounting the turret on a new hull.
http://thumb4.webshots.net/t/48/48/0/45/38/385504538Emvjxg_thdotjpg

Same can be done with the pictured M84 from Vukovar. The turret flown a bit but seems OK, just the gun need to be replaced. If the hull wasn't put on fire it would be OK either.

Generally there is no possibility to destroy a tank to such degree that none of it's parts can 't be connected to new components to create a "repaired" tank.

Alumininium-hulled APCs on the other side can completely melt like this Bradley. Now this one really beyond repair.
http://www.gulflink.osd.mil/du_ii/images/figh1dotgif

FMAPDM
01-14-2008, 05:16 PM
wow! RIP to the crew whoever they were but that is insane! the turret looks really cool sticking outta the ground.

Some years ago I read that this particular serbian tank, was knocked off by croatian troops using a german ARMBRUST antitank rocket launcher.
http://http://world.guns.ru/grenade/gl33-e.htm
Some battle reports inform that the croatian troops aimed (when possible)their shots to the joint betwen the turret and the hull.

Hauser
01-14-2008, 05:21 PM
http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/6051/soldiersfrombritforinkooz8dotjpg

Soldiers from BRITFOR in Kosovo inspect the damage to the knocked out T55. The tank was destroyed by Allied air delivered weapons during the NATO bombing campaign.

Roy Batty
01-14-2008, 05:32 PM
A few pics I took, while deployed, of destroyed Soviet armor.

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/9353/52rv7dotjpg

http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/4879/195du6dotjpg

This guy missed a turn on a twisty nasty road and wound up taking the short way down.
http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/3718/41dh8dotjpg

Got some more somewhere. I'll have a look around.

Vince S
01-14-2008, 06:05 PM
Nice pics Sig. I know the Northern Alliance had tanks as well as the Talibans, but did they ever engaged each other in a tank battle?

HS2000
01-14-2008, 06:24 PM
Some years ago I read that this particular serbian tank, was knocked off by croatian troops using a german ARMBRUST antitank rocket launcher.
http://http://world.guns.ru/grenade/gl33-e.htm
Some battle reports inform that the croatian troops aimed (when possible)their shots to the joint betwen the turret and the hull.


This one was hit by Armbrust (there were 12 armored vehicles destroyed in that column - 6 M-84, 4 M-80, 1 T-55 and 1 T-55 TZI)

HS2000
01-14-2008, 06:37 PM
OK, can't post that picture (you can view that tank in the youtube video link below at 04.15 and the last picture in this post), but I will post others from that column (WARNING some are graphic). Video link http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=SFs5zOU-mM0

HS2000
01-14-2008, 06:47 PM
Destroyed Serb T55 tank, near little coastal town of Drnis, 1995.
Not sure what happened to the crew, but it is likely they've got killed.

http://i18.*******.com/6qcj19jdotjpg


No this was not in 1995 but in june of 1992 on the Miljevci Plateau (Siritovci - Drnis road) and the operation was a great sucess of the Croatian Army. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miljevci_plateau_incident

HS2000
01-14-2008, 06:59 PM
T-55 destroyed by that French volunteer with 64mm Zolja AT missile. This was also on Miljevci Plateau in june 1992 (I think in the village of Siritovci, not sure)

HS2000
01-14-2008, 07:06 PM
That T-55 was part of an armoured-transport column that was retreating towards the city of Drnis but was ambushed by Croatian Army.

FMAPDM
01-14-2008, 07:15 PM
T-55 destroyed by that French volunteer with 64mm Zolja AT missile. This was also on Miljevci Plateau in june 1992 (I think in the village of Siritovci, not sure)

Could you post pics of foreing volunteers who fought on the croatian side ?

HS2000
01-14-2008, 07:29 PM
How to fix a tank.:)

HS2000
01-14-2008, 07:45 PM
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/3581/bradleyke1dotjpg



what happened here???


It was hit with an IED and then destroyed with a Hellfire missile fired from the Apache helicopter that also killed a few people (including a news reporter) geathered around it. There is a video of that incident on the net.

FMAPDM
01-14-2008, 07:54 PM
wrong thread m8, destroyed tanks and amv vehicles only :)

Upppssss !!!!, sorry you´re right.:oops:

HS2000
01-14-2008, 07:55 PM
Could you post pics of foreing volunteers who fought on the croatian side ?


http://groups.msn.com/CROATIE9193
http://cascarino.homestead.com/
http://www.cfiva.org/cfiva/home/index.cfm

FMAPDM
01-14-2008, 09:36 PM
http://groups.msn.com/CROATIE9193
http://cascarino.homestead.com/
http://www.cfiva.org/cfiva/home/index.cfm

:)Thank you HS2000 !!!, and by the way Mic of Orion: you are right this is not the appropiate thread, but those volunteers are in fact the ones who destroyed the tanks, once again sorry, forgive I´m a newbie.

HS2000
01-15-2008, 06:01 PM
Colorful Serb M-60 APC destroyed (maybe by it's own crew) in august 1995, during operation Storm.

HS2000
01-15-2008, 06:13 PM
Yugoslav People Army M-84 destroyed by a mine, Slovenia 1991. Mine explosion most probably activated 125mm ammo and completely destroyed the tank.

HS2000
01-15-2008, 06:16 PM
Another one also in Slovenia 1991.

HS2000
01-15-2008, 06:29 PM
Armored column of Croatian Army (2nd Guards Brigade) that was ambushed in the town of Petrinja in august 1995 during operation Storm. Check out the hole in the rear end of that T-55. Any ideas what did that?!

HS2000
01-15-2008, 06:43 PM
Destroyed Bosnian Serb Army armor.

SupportTheTroops_5
01-15-2008, 06:45 PM
It was hit with an IED and then destroyed with a Hellfire missile fired from the Apache helicopter that also killed a few people (including a news reporter) geathered around it. There is a video of that incident on the net.
cant you post a link to it if you know where to find it?

HS2000
01-15-2008, 07:07 PM
Can't find it right now, but I will try tomorrow. Link to some pics of that incident. WARNING: GRAPHIC!

http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/9485/16jddotpng
http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/7453/26cadotpng
http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/9228/35cydotpng

SupportTheTroops_5
01-15-2008, 07:15 PM
Can't find it right now, but I will try tomorrow. Link to some pics of that incident. WARNING: GRAPHIC!

http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/9485/16jddotpng
http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/7453/26cadotpng
http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/9228/35cydotpng
if they were my family members, i would beat the crap out of whoever was taking pictures

GodlessAmerica!
01-16-2008, 09:32 AM
Can't find it right now, but I will try tomorrow. Link to some pics of that incident. WARNING: GRAPHIC!

http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/9485/16jddotpng
http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/7453/26cadotpng
http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/9228/35cydotpng

Who were these men?

kongman
01-16-2008, 09:39 AM
this is a pic of the remains of micheal wittmans tank..............one of the greatest tank aces .......

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n255/kongman27/wittigdotjpg
http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n255/kongman27/witt_turdotjpg

i belive it was destroyer by a typhoon using its rockets....

Brian013086
01-16-2008, 10:02 AM
this is a pic of the remains of micheal wittmans tank..............one of the greatest tank aces .......

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n255/kongman27/wittigdotjpg
http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n255/kongman27/witt_turdotjpg

i belive it was destroyer by a typhoon using its rockets....

His stats are incredible, IIRC he destroyed something like 155 tanks.

His death though has been very controversial, with numerous factions claiming to have been the ones that destroyed his tank, and also as stated the thoery that a British Typhoon destroyed it has been kicking around.

Jarhead
01-16-2008, 10:09 AM
Wittmann destroyed 138 enemy tanks and 132 anti-tank guns

Brian013086
01-16-2008, 10:16 AM
Wittmann destroyed 138 enemy tanks and 132 anti-tank guns

The incredible thing is he wasnt even the highest scoring German tank "Ace". That goes to Kurt Knispel who destroyed 168 tanks and died in 1945.

It's amazing men like Knispel survived being a tanker so long, as many of these men were at constant war for almost six years, it makes these feats to me that much more amazing from a historical point of view.

LibertyUnites
01-16-2008, 10:18 AM
Can't find it right now, but I will try tomorrow. Link to some pics of that incident. WARNING: GRAPHIC!

http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/9485/16jddotpng
http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/7453/26cadotpng
http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/9228/35cydotpng

I tried looking for it after your post because I had never heard of this incident. Apparently, the reporter's name is either Mazen al-Tomasi or Mazen al-Tomaisi, a reporter for Al-Arabiya. While broadcasting live, there was an explosion behind him and he was hit by shrapnel, spattering the camera lens with blood. His cameraman tried to rescue him but there was a second explosion, injuring the cameraman. Mazen died as a result of his wounds, as did 11 others.

I couldn't find the actual video but there were some discussions in which people say there is no evidence that the explosion was caused by a hellfire missile. You can neither hear helicopters, nor their gunfire as witness later reported the helicopters strafed the crowd first. Oddly enough, someone else later said the US Military admitted firing on the crowd (couldnt find a source for that either) saying it took fire and was defending itself.

So I dont know, seems no clear cut explanation ever made it out of this one. After seeing some screen caps, I'm not sure I would want to see the video anyway.

kongman
01-16-2008, 10:24 AM
The incredible thing is he wasnt even the highest scoring German tank "Ace". That goes to Kurt Knispel who destroyed 168 tanks and died in 1945.

It's amazing men like Knispel survived being a tanker so long, as many of these men were at constant war for almost six years, it makes these feats to me that much more amazing from a historical point of view.

i agree and he got alot of his kills on the eastern front in a underguned stug..........amazing

Granit
01-16-2008, 10:47 AM
Picture number 8 is MT-LB too. Iraq didn't have any BMD-1.

Kvakva
01-16-2008, 10:49 AM
http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee178/PolarisBrian/TANKS/DM-SD-04-01659dotjpg

MT-LB with zu-23, not BMD-1

HS2000
01-16-2008, 02:27 PM
More JNA (YPA - Yugoslav People ARMY) destroyed armor (Slovenia and Croatia). WARNING: SOME PICTURES ARE GRAPHIC

HS2000
01-16-2008, 02:33 PM
Same as the above.

HS2000
01-16-2008, 02:40 PM
And more as above.

HS2000
01-16-2008, 02:45 PM
Pictures 1,2 and 3 are from Ethiopia, 4 from Israel and 5 from Lebanon 1982.

HS2000
01-16-2008, 02:51 PM
1st Gulf War 1991.

HS2000
01-16-2008, 03:00 PM
A couple from the Vietnam war.

HS2000
01-16-2008, 03:05 PM
A few from the Korean war.

HS2000
01-16-2008, 04:55 PM
has anyone got pics of blown up T80's and T72's, I think Grozny 1994 or 1996 forgot now.

thanx

Nice pics HS2000


There you go. WARNING: SOME PHOTOS ARE GRAPHIC

HS2000
01-16-2008, 05:04 PM
Two very interesting videos from Chechenia:

1.) Chechens ambushing russian armored-transport convoy, famous Shatoi operation from april 1996
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ennfmvOOZg4

2.) Fighting in the streets of Grozny 1994/1995
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=8H1qCQ04x9E

Mamont
01-16-2008, 07:15 PM
1.) Chechens ambushing russian armored-transport convoy, famous Shatoi operation from april 1996
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ennfmvOOZg4Yes, ill-fated 245 Guard Regiment.. 73 dead, 52 wounded, 6 BMP destroyed, 1 tank, 1 BRDM and 11 cars.. Badly planned, even more badly executed.. Hell..

Hilbert
01-16-2008, 07:33 PM
Yes, ill-fated 245 Guard Regiment.. 73 dead, 52 wounded, 6 BMP destroyed, 1 tank, 1 BRDM and 11 cars.. Badly planned, even more badly executed.. Hell..

Isn't the 245th Motorized Infantry Rgt., supposed to be one of Russia's better units? I must say those figures are horrendous.

dan_pub
01-17-2008, 01:28 AM
Pictures 1,2 and 3 are from Ethiopia, 4 from Israel and 5 from Lebanon 1982.
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=40989&d=1200512746

This Israeli Magach 7 was not destroyed or blown up or anything.
During a training in Israel, the driver went sideways into a too steep gradient, and it rolled over.

Swerap
01-17-2008, 03:00 AM
This Israeli Magach 7 was not destroyed or blown up or anything.
During a training in Israel, the driver went sideways into a too steep gradient, and it rolled over.


Wow! How did the crew feel after... I hope they made allright.

Tanks are impressive and cool machines, but the thought of being trapped in one of those burning..... just makes me shivers.....

R.I.P to all fallen.

Holycrusader
01-17-2008, 03:18 AM
Anybody know a story behind this pic?
http://www.acig.org/artman/uploads/astk_merkava_d_in_beirutdotjpg

Holycrusader
01-17-2008, 03:22 AM
It look like merkava. But what type?
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/38826000/jpg/_38826535_ap300burndotjpg

MajorTom
01-17-2008, 03:27 AM
Anybody know a story behind this pic?


Merkava Mk1 1982 Beirut Lebanon. Ambushed by RPG-team.

the_penguin
01-17-2008, 03:49 AM
Anybody know a story behind this pic?
http://www.acig.org/artman/uploads/astk_merkava_d_in_beirutdotjpg

Imobilized Merkava in Libanon, capture by PLO forces, later when the Israelis launched a counter offensive to get it back was it set on fire by the retreating PLO fighters.

isthvan
01-17-2008, 07:14 AM
A couple from the Vietnam war.

Any more info about this PT-76 destroyed during Vietnam war? Year? Battle?

KoTeMoRe
01-17-2008, 07:50 AM
InetWarrior it is not a Merkava, probably a Magach banged by Hamas (?) or simply stuck...or ALS Magach in training? Did ALS/SLA had any armour?

Snoshi
01-17-2008, 07:52 AM
InetWarrior it is not a Merkava, probably a Magach banged by Hamas (?) or simply stuck...or ALS Magach in training? Did ALS/SLA had any armour?

It is a Merkava 1.

Holycrusader
01-17-2008, 07:55 AM
It is a Merkava 1.

Thank you. I though it was Mk III...

I found a story related to the pic

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2765545.stm

Snoshi
01-17-2008, 07:58 AM
Thank you. I though it was Mk II...

Merkava 2 entered service in 1983. 180 MK1's were used in Lebanon.

KoTeMoRe
01-17-2008, 08:00 AM
It is a Merkava 1.

Snoshi, get another look at the M60 boy, you seem to miss the reference

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/38826000/jpg/_38826535_ap300burndotjpg

That is a magach...

Snoshi
01-17-2008, 08:02 AM
Snoshi, get another look at the M60 boy, you seem to miss the reference
That is a magach...

Oops :)

I discussed wrong picture.

KoTeMoRe
01-17-2008, 08:05 AM
No worries, it was my first impression.p-)

Cheers.

Holycrusader
01-17-2008, 08:08 AM
So this is a Magach banged by Hamas not Merkava.

KoTeMoRe
01-17-2008, 08:19 AM
1. Yes that is an US M60a3 modified according the IDF requirements by adding Applique Armor modules (plus other goodies) and turned into a Magach C-X (I'd rather avoid handing sub-nomenclature).

2. It looks banged.

3. According to your source Hamas did the planting and the detonating.

4. Have a nice day.

kefalo
01-17-2008, 02:53 PM
Isn't the 245th Motorized Infantry Rgt., supposed to be one of Russia's better units? I must say those figures are horrendous.
What do you mean horrendous? Just cause they are better equipped and have better training doesn't mean they are bulletproof, an ambush is an ambush.

MZKT
01-17-2008, 03:44 PM
Isn't the 245th Motorized Infantry Rgt., supposed to be one of Russia's better units? I must say those figures are horrendous.

Better unit? 245th is a standard regiment, the commision concluded that the losses were consequences of bad planning. Nothing special for the 1st Chechen War. Same regiment also lost a whole bataillon while assaulting the central square during the siege of Grozny somewhat earlier.

khalifah
01-17-2008, 07:04 PM
Whatever happened here ^ it burned for a long time...
just look at whats left of the treads.

Arabia
01-17-2008, 07:29 PM
http://www.defencetalk.com/pictures/data/3186/GulfWar-episode2-DefenceTalk.com05dotjpg


anyone knows what happened here ???


Kids playing with matches. :lol:

tanks_alot
01-17-2008, 08:14 PM
Thank you. I though it was Mk III...

I found a story related to the pic

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2765545.stm

The tank in the picture is a Magach7 but it's just some sort of archive picture and not related to the incident.

The tank that was destroyed was a Merkava MK3 if i remember correctly, it was hit by a large IED, something along the lines of 100-150kg.

KillerBD
01-17-2008, 08:24 PM
Nice pictures everyone.

But I'm a little confused? If its an Abrams then its "disabled" everything else is "destroyed" .... Whatever I'm just calling it as I see it. Seemed to be alot of disagreement between weather certain pics of Abrams were "destroyed" or "disabled" ... Going by that logic then most of the other Armoured vehicles are just "disabled" as well... Sure they are burned to a crisp sometimes but they are still mostly in tact....?

-Sorry for rant

Arabia
01-17-2008, 08:39 PM
Nice pictures everyone.

But I'm a little confused? If its an Abrams then its "disabled" everything else is "destroyed" .... Whatever I'm just calling it as I see it. Seemed to be alot of disagreement between weather certain pics of Abrams were "destroyed" or "disabled" ... Going by that logic then most of the other Armoured vehicles are just "disabled" as well... Sure they are burned to a crisp sometimes but they are still mostly in tact....?

-Sorry for rant

Most modern tanks can be rebuilt after being knocked out. Most Abrams are rebuilt after being damaged in battle even when burned out. There have only been a hand full that where a total loss. Armored vehicle are not as robust as a tank. Many of them are made out of aluminum which melts at high heat.

KillerBD
01-17-2008, 08:45 PM
Most modern tanks can be rebuilt after being knocked out. Most Abrams are rebuilt after being damaged in battle even when burned out. There have only been a hand full that where a total loss. Armored vehicle are not as robust as a tank. Many of them are made out of aluminum which melts at high heat.

Okay, I guess that makes sense... But when I said "Armoured Vehicle" I ment all types of "Armoured Vehicles" (A tank is a specific type of Armoured Vehicle btw). I was just trying to get at with my rant is; call a spade a spade. No need to be biased.

HS2000
01-17-2008, 10:23 PM
First four pictures are from the 1st Chechen War, Grozny, january 1995. Last three are a real mystery to me. Pictures are also from Grozny but before the Russian intervention (or at least I think so) because they are dated 2nd of november 1994, before the december intervention. Tanks look like they were hit with large aerial bombs or with a large truck bomb or something. Any info!? WARNING: SOME PICTURES ARE GRAPHIC

Jippo
01-18-2008, 01:06 AM
Okay, I guess that makes sense... But when I said "Armoured Vehicle" I ment all types of "Armoured Vehicles" (A tank is a specific type of Armoured Vehicle btw). I was just trying to get at with my rant is; call a spade a spade. No need to be biased.

Read what is written in post #33 and onwards in this same thread. Some discussion about the matter.

Marsh
01-18-2008, 03:06 AM
The tank in the picture is a Magach7 but it's just some sort of archive picture and not related to the incident.

The tank that was destroyed was a Merkava MK3 if i remember correctly, it was hit by a large IED, something along the lines of 100-150kg.

Hi Tanks alot,
There was a Magach 7 gimel (from Kfir) knocked out in mid February 2003. I had it down as occurring on the 15th Feb, (not the 18th as in the BBC report) by a 100kg IED in Gaza.
There was a Merk III lost to roadside charges on 14th February 2002 and a second on 14th March 2002. Two Merkava IIIs were hit in February 2003, but I do not have the exact dates.

cheers
Marsh

Ksiunc
01-18-2008, 03:53 AM
First four pictures are from the 1st Chechen War, Grozny, january 1995. Last three are a real mystery to me. Pictures are also from Grozny but before the Russian intervention (or at least I think so) because they are dated 2nd of november 1994, before the december intervention. Tanks look like they were hit with large aerial bombs or with a large truck bomb or something. Any info!? WARNING: SOME PICTURES ARE GRAPHIC

These three pictures are destoyed Russian t-80's. From what I know they where destroyed by rpg fire. Chechens discovered that aiming between first pair of road wheels often kills the driver and injures the rest of crew and between turret and hull sets the ammo storage on fire and blows the turret off. And hitting a tank in a city is quite easy, so one can aim precisely and hit such spot.

Holycrusader
01-18-2008, 04:01 AM
These three pictures are destoyed Russian t-80's. From what I know they where destroyed by rpg fire. Chechens discovered that aiming between first pair of road wheels often kills the driver and injures the rest of crew and between turret and hull sets the ammo storage on fire and blows the turret off. And hitting a tank in a city is quite easy, so one can aim precisely and hit such spot.

In the first chechen war Chechens have a tanks too. Some of them were destroyed by russians, maybe our russian members know more about this...

Ksiunc
01-18-2008, 04:07 AM
In the first chechen war Chechens have a tanks too. Some of them were destroyed by russians, maybe our russian members know more about this...

Yes. I know about that. They had something about 40 MBT's . For sure they had t-72's and i'm not sure how many (if any) t-80's they had. And yes. Let's wait for an opinion from our russian friends.

tanks_alot
01-18-2008, 04:12 AM
Hi Tanks alot,
There was a Magach 7 gimel (from Kfir) knocked out in mid February 2003. I had it down as occurring on the 15th Feb, (not the 18th as in the BBC report) by a 100kg IED in Gaza.
There was a Merk III lost to roadside charges on 14th February 2002 and a second on 14th March 2002. Two Merkava IIIs were hit in February 2003, but I do not have the exact dates.

cheers
Marsh

Edit: looks like i remembered it wrong, indeed 4 crew members were killed in a a Magach7C in the 16th, i found this article in Hebrew about the attack:


http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-2437013,00.html

KoTeMoRe
01-18-2008, 04:35 AM
These three pictures are destoyed Russian t-80's. From what I know they where destroyed by rpg fire. Chechens discovered that aiming between first pair of road wheels often kills the driver and injures the rest of crew and between turret and hull sets the ammo storage on fire and blows the turret off. And hitting a tank in a city is quite easy, so one can aim precisely and hit such spot.


I'm sorry to curtail this but:

1. There is no t-80 involved here...

why?

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=41128&d=1200626582
Look at this picture...side exhaust. No t-80 has a diesel side exhaust but a rear exhaust (turbine tank).

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=41130&d=1200626582

Here the turret is of a T-72. Smoke dispensers on the "****s". TS is narrow while the t-80 sight is way wider.

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=41129&d=1200626582


Here again no rear exhaust and you can see the external tank carrying "claws" that are to be found on the t-72 family.

Sorry no t-80 here.

Bushranger
01-18-2008, 04:48 AM
Just wondering across the former yugoslavia are there still old wrecks scattered about the county side???

Ksiunc
01-18-2008, 05:11 AM
I'm sorry to curtail this but:

1. There is no t-80 involved here...

why?

Look at this picture...side exhaust. No t-80 has a diesel side exhaust but a rear exhaust (turbine tank).

Here the turret is of a T-72. Smoke dispensers on the "****s". TS is narrow while the t-80 sight is way wider.

Here again no rear exhaust and you can see the external tank carrying "claws" that are to be found on the t-72 family.

Sorry no t-80 here.

Touche. I compared pictures of t-72 and t-80 but it seems that i compared wrong pictures :roll: . When it comes to russiuan modern mbt's I'm often confused due to similarity of constructions an variety of modifications.

KoTeMoRe
01-18-2008, 05:19 AM
Touche. I compared pictures of t-72 and t-80 but it seems that i compared wrong pictures :roll: . When it comes to russiuan modern mbt's I'm often confused due to similarity of constructions an variety of modifications.


No worries, I was taught the same way beforep-). And I have made the same mistakes before. And yes at first glance Soviet-tanks do look awfully similar.

Regards.

Jippo
01-18-2008, 05:24 AM
T-80 roadwheels are in pairs, with T-72 they are evenly spaced. ;)

Razvodnik
01-18-2008, 06:52 AM
Just wondering across the former yugoslavia are there still old wrecks scattered about the county side???

No the wrecks were towed away after the peace agreement from Dayton in 1995.
You can find maybe a couple of tanks as a monument.

In my hometown close to the Dinara Mountain we've let a Serb T-55 on the place were we've destroyed it with ATGM in 1992. The bodies of the Crew of the T55 and a M80 IFV (destroyed in the same attack, wreck was removed) along with the passangers, were recovered and handled over to the Serb side.

Our part of the front was a provement that you can't attack across a valley with hills on both sides in a column formation without securing the area. They tried it the night before but they suffered heavy losses from HMG .50 so they command decided to break through with armor. Commanding officer of the Serb operation was Col. Ratko Mladic - later he were promoted to General, he became "famous" with the massacre of Srebrenica.
On the croatian side that time in charge was then Lt. Col. Ante Gotovina, he was later also promoted to General and he was leading the US supported "Operation Storm" which resulted in the complete collapse of the Serbian Armed Forces in Croatia.

kefalo
01-18-2008, 08:23 AM
Just wondering across the former yugoslavia are there still old wrecks scattered about the county side???
Not really...

HS2000
01-18-2008, 10:39 AM
Just wondering across the former yugoslavia are there still old wrecks scattered about the county side???


Well I'm not sure but I think there are got to be some left. Here are a couple of photos of M-80 APC in Bosnia, around Mrkonjic Grad that was destroyed in october of 1995. I heard that this was the APC that the deputy commander of 4th Guards Brigade, Andrija Matijas Pauk rode on when he was killed (I think I got the photos and info from somebody from this forum).

Incoherent
01-18-2008, 11:00 AM
His stats are incredible, IIRC he destroyed something like 155 tanks.

His death though has been very controversial, with numerous factions claiming to have been the ones that destroyed his tank, and also as stated the thoery that a British Typhoon destroyed it has been kicking around.

His tank, along with 2 other Tigers were ambushed and knocked out by a single Sherman Firefly. The name of the gunner is Joe Ekins. 3 other Shermans of the 75mm gun variety assisted but the 75mm gun could not penetrate the Tiger's armour. Michael Wittman and his crewmen's grave was discovered sometime in the 90s during a road clearing operation. Brave as he was, one must keep in mind that the tanks that he fought against were much inferior protectionwise versus the Tiger.

Damn
01-18-2008, 06:01 PM
Touche. I compared pictures of t-72 and t-80 but it seems that i compared wrong pictures :roll: . When it comes to russiuan modern mbt's I'm often confused due to similarity of constructions an variety of modifications.

The T-80 is not a development of the T-72, but is rather an evolution of the T-64 tank design (which was never exported). The T-72, on the other hand, is a design evolution of the T-62 tank, which itself is a descendant of the T-55. The T-64 is considered a superior tank to the T-62, and was quite advanced in its time regarding many MBT design features. It was the first (Russian) production tank to incorporate composite, layered armor.

KoTeMoRe
01-18-2008, 06:07 PM
The T-80 is not a development of the T-72, but is rather an evolution of the T-64 tank design (which was never exported). The T-72, on the other hand, is a design evolution of the T-62 tank, which itself is a descendant of the T-55. The T-64 is generally considered a superior tank design to the T-62, and actually was one of the first Russian tank designs to incorporate composite materials in its armor.

Haha priceless.

The T-72 is a cheaper version of the T-64. It is not related to the T-62 design wise, engine wise or even gun wise. The T-62 is the last child of the T-44 familiy.

Damn
01-18-2008, 06:24 PM
Haha priceless.

The T-72 is a cheaper version of the T-64. It is not related to the T-62 design wise, engine wise or even gun wise. The T-62 is the last child of the T-44 familiy.

Maybe I should clarify. The T-72 shares components and features of the T-64 and T-54/T-55/T-62 designs, but it was not a cheaper version of the T-64 tank - it was an independently derived, cheaper alternative to the T-64, since it was impossible to mass-produce the expensive T-64 for all soviet armored units.

MZKT
01-18-2008, 07:34 PM
T-72 is not connected to T-64 nor T-62, the idea was to produce a cheaper mobilization and export tank, as more advanced T-64 was too expensive to equip all units.
The tank did not evolved from any previous design, it was a completely new development (The only main parts it shared with previous tanks was the standard 125mm gun introduced with T-64 and evolved V2-engine from BT-7 onward tanks).

Later T-64 evolved to T-80 and T-72 in T-90.

Mamont
01-18-2008, 09:18 PM
Better unit? 245th is a standard regiment, the commision concluded that the losses were consequences of bad planning. Nothing special for the 1st Chechen War. Same regiment also lost a whole bataillon while assaulting the central square during the siege of Grozny somewhat earlier. Actually it was not standart regiment - a hastily prepared, filled with rookies(went from 172 to 1700 personnel in 10 days) and burdened with out of order equipment and inadequate command stuff.. At least before S.Judin took command..
The convoy was probably sold out by someone, because attackers knew what truck carried what.. Also in first minutes of the video there are footage of the BMP's in town..
During that ambush a tank, that was in tail of column, took at least 8 rpg hits before another one penetrated the tower on the commander side. It withdrew from the battle due to the wounded commander and make it to the 345 Regiment..

brooksy9473
01-28-2008, 01:50 PM
i collect a great set of books (no 6 is out soon)called panzerwrecks
there full of knockedout/abandoned/destroyed german vehicles
and some of the picz will leave you speechless,honestly it amazing to see how a tank of 60-70 tonnz can be totaly destroyed,thay have there own website if you want the books,panzerwrecks.com

BundesheerV.
01-28-2008, 03:05 PM
http://www.bmlv.gv.at/images_skaliert/schrottpanzer_600x450_1201005171dotjpg

kongman
01-29-2008, 06:28 PM
His tank, along with 2 other Tigers were ambushed and knocked out by a single Sherman Firefly. The name of the gunner is Joe Ekins. 3 other Shermans of the 75mm gun variety assisted but the 75mm gun could not penetrate the Tiger's armour. Michael Wittman and his crewmen's grave was discovered sometime in the 90s during a road clearing operation. Brave as he was, one must keep in mind that the tanks that he fought against were much inferior protectionwise versus the Tiger.

see next...........................

kongman
01-29-2008, 06:33 PM
His tank, along with 2 other Tigers were ambushed and knocked out by a single Sherman Firefly. The name of the gunner is Joe Ekins. 3 other Shermans of the 75mm gun variety assisted but the 75mm gun could not penetrate the Tiger's armour. Michael Wittman and his crewmen's grave was discovered sometime in the 90s during a road clearing operation. Brave as he was, one must keep in mind that the tanks that he fought against were much inferior protectionwise versus the Tiger.


sorry but he didnt......

In 1985, Les Taylor another member of the 1st Northamptonshire Yeomanry during the war, stated in the article on Michael Wittmanns last battle in issue 48 of the After the Battle Magazine that Ekins was the man who was responsible for the death of Michael Wittmann[24] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Ekins#_note-23). Although at the time of Michael Wittmann (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Wittmann)'s death he was practically unknown to allied units[25] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Ekins#_note-24) however following Les Taylor’s account of what happened that day nearly every allied formation in the area and some who were not, made claims to being his killer.
These formations include the 4th Canadian Armoured Division (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4th_Canadian_Armoured_Division), the 1st Polish Armoured Division (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1st_Polish_Armoured_Division), the 144 Royal Armoured Corps (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Armoured_Corps) and the R.A.F. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Air_Force) Second Tactical Air Force.
In Brian Reid's book, on Operation Totalise (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Totalise), No Holding Back he discredited all of these claims. From examining the 2nd Tactical Air Force Logs [26] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Ekins#_note-25) [27] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Ekins#_note-26) [28] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Ekins#_note-27)[29] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Ekins#_note-28) they claim no tanks engaged or destroyed in the area.
From examining the 4th Canadian Armoured Division (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4th_Canadian_Armoured_Division) and the 1st Polish Armoured Division (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1st_Polish_Armoured_Division) records he revealed that these two units were too far north from the area around St. Aignan de Cramesnil (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint-Aignan-de-Cramesnil)-Gaumesnil-Cintheaux (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cintheaux) [30] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Ekins#_note-29). He also ruled out the 144 Royal Armoured Corps (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Armoured_Corps) since they were based near Cramesnil and therefore too far north from where Michael Wittmann's tank was[31] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Ekins#_note-30).
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/4a/Wittmann_Tiger_007dotjpg/180px-Wittmann_Tiger_007dotjpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Wittmann_Tiger_007dotjpg) http://en.wikipedia.org/skins-1.5/common/images/magnify-clipdotpng (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Wittmann_Tiger_007dotjpg)
The only photograph taken of the wrecked Tiger 007, taken by the French civilian Mr Serge Varin in 1945, still in the field near Gaumesnil where it had been stopped a year before.


Following this, Brian Reid puts forth that one of the tanks from the remains of Major Sidney Radley-Walters, A Squadron, Sherbrooke Fusilier Regiment, 2nd Canadian Armoured Brigade (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2nd_Canadian_Armoured_Brigade), which were positioned in the chateau grounds at Gaumesnil, were most likely the killer due to their proximity to Wittmann's tank and there account that they were engaging the advancing Tigers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiger_I)[32] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Ekins#_note-31).
With the Tigers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiger_I) caught in a crossfire between the Northamptonshire Yeomanry and The Sherbrooke Fusiliers its understandable for both to claim the tank.
However with the range Ekins [33] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Ekins#_note-32) would have to fire over at Wittmanns tank it appears that the Sherbrooke's are his killers a view which appears to be also held by Ken Tout, an ex member of C Squadron, after he heard about the Sherbrooke Fusiliers claim while interviewing members of the regiment for his new book, in which for the first time he does not claim Wittmann for the Yeomanry and admits that other units engaged the Tigers[34] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Ekins#_note-33)[35] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Ekins#_note-34).
The claims made by Brian Reid are mainly speculative, as he admits that there are no official Canadian records of the battle [36] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Ekins#_note-35).
The German account of the early fighting in the St Aignan battle is more reliable as it is based on German records and on eye-witness accounts given at the time by Meyer, Rabe and Hoflinger.
These report that seven Tigers started the counter-attack, that the five forward Tigers were lost, whilst the remaining two, some distance behind, were lucky. The Tiger commanded by Hoflinger advanced on the Western side of the highway, towards the Canadian area, whilst the four (including the Tiger commanded by Wittmann) moved forward on the Eastern side of the highway towards the Northants Yeomanry area.
Add to this the report on the squadron wireless by Lt. James and the record made by Captain Boardman watching from the St Aignan orchards, it is now generally accepted that the Hofflinger Tiger was knocked out by the Canadian Sherbrooke Fusiliers in the Canadian area. The three Tigers on the right were knocked out by Ekins of the Northamptonshire Yeomanry and it seems that one moved through without being noticed, as it was found fully operative and abandoned some distance in advance of the three destroyed. It can be assumed that the crew, realising that they were alone and well into the British area, just packed it in and ran off.
On the following day, officers of the Northants Yeomanry toured the area to find one knocked-out Tiger to the West of the highway and three knocked out and one abandoned Tiger to the East.

Abrams_MBT
02-05-2008, 05:36 PM
I have no idea of the story behind those but i post 'em anyway.
First the Abrams.

The burned out tank is the Cojone Eh, destroyed by secondary fire provoked by enemy fire. The tank was then destroyed by Mavericks and tank shells to avoid it to fall into enemy hands.

Abrams_MBT
02-05-2008, 05:56 PM
now more destroyed modern vehicle pics (T55s, T72s, BMPs)... mainly from GW2.

Abrams_MBT
02-05-2008, 06:37 PM
more of various pics + three impressive WW2 pics

lag
02-06-2008, 10:28 AM
I tried looking for it after your post because I had never heard of this incident. Apparently, the reporter's name is either Mazen al-Tomasi or Mazen al-Tomaisi, a reporter for Al-Arabiya. While broadcasting live, there was an explosion behind him and he was hit by shrapnel, spattering the camera lens with blood. His cameraman tried to rescue him but there was a second explosion, injuring the cameraman. Mazen died as a result of his wounds, as did 11 others.

I couldn't find the actual video but there were some discussions in which people say there is no evidence that the explosion was caused by a hellfire missile. You can neither hear helicopters, nor their gunfire as witness later reported the helicopters strafed the crowd first. Oddly enough, someone else later said the US Military admitted firing on the crowd (couldnt find a source for that either) saying it took fire and was defending itself.

So I dont know, seems no clear cut explanation ever made it out of this one. After seeing some screen caps, I'm not sure I would want to see the video anyway.

Youre desicion if you wanna see the video ... here's the link http://www.passionateamerica.com/video-of-arab-journalist-mazen-al-tumeizi-killed-by-us-helicopter/

1911-a1
04-07-2008, 02:33 AM
bump

This is a good thread. I will post some pics later today.

The One and Only
04-07-2008, 08:19 AM
Just wondering across the former yugoslavia are there still old wrecks scattered about the county side???

Actually there are, it all depends on where u go !!!!
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/7710/610xku1dotjpg (http://imageshack.us)
Wartime tank, that belonged to Bosnian Serb armed forces, stands in a shooting position 25 February 2007, overlooking the very center of Eastern Bosnian town of Gorazde (90 kms East of Sarajevo). War damages are still visible in most areas of Bosnia, 12 years after Bosnia's 1992-95 war has ended. The International Court of Justice will on 26 February 2007 make its first ever genocide ruling -- having to decide whether Serbia should be punished for the 200,000 dead in the 1992-95 Bosnia war

Recce 1
04-07-2008, 08:45 AM
M36 JACKSON (Serbia)

http://images.imagehotel.net/dhqlpncxvedotjpg (http://www.imagehotel.net/?from=dhqlpncxvedotjpg)
http://images.imagehotel.net/ow7nj7jra6dotjpg (http://www.imagehotel.net/?from=ow7nj7jra6dotjpg)

p-)

The One and Only
04-07-2008, 07:13 PM
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/6663/dsc00025hl9.thdotjpg (http://img148.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00025hl9dotjpg)
Bosnian Serb T-55 Croatia/Bosnia Border

GIJOEJK
04-08-2008, 01:43 AM
never mind

rattenkrieger
04-08-2008, 09:30 AM
Very nice pics and interesting thread... p-)

Templar@Large
04-08-2008, 09:32 PM
Kids playing with matches. :lol:

That just aint right rofl

wrenek
04-10-2008, 10:27 AM
Some various photos from ww2
T-34 with some of crew man still in it
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/1417/007jf3.thdotjpg (http://img521.imageshack.us/my.php?image=007jf3dotjpg)
Panther
http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/6614/aavsizednf2.thdotjpg (http://img329.imageshack.us/my.php?image=aavsizednf2dotjpg)

GRAPHIC!

Crew on T-26
http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/5715/deadrussiansont26rq2.thdotjpg (http://img329.imageshack.us/my.php?image=deadrussiansont26rq2dotjpg)
Battle of Kursk Pz-IV
http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/2972/kursk377gc6.thdotjpg (http://img329.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kursk377gc6dotjpg)
KV-1
http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/9576/kv1hitseveraltimes3wlxw7.thdotjpg (http://img329.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kv1hitseveraltimes3wlxw7dotjpg)
T-28 or T-35
http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/8849/pict5380sf5pf3.thdotjpg (http://img508.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pict5380sf5pf3dotjpg)
Abandonned or destroyed TK-3 from September campaign (Poland39')
http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/9125/tk31jw0.thdotjpg (http://img329.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tk31jw0dotjpg)

CoyoteTac
04-10-2008, 07:03 PM
New here, but thought I would share a few pictures I took while in Ethiopia.
I was traveling west from Addis Ababa to the city of Ambo and I saw these sacttered on either sides of the road. Russian T-55 I believe.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a210/coyotetac/tank2adotjpg

This one had a round or something jammed in the barrel and rusted away. This was the only one that we stopped and poked around in because it was out away from any pestering locals (which showed up from nowhere in less than 15min). Like anything left unattended in Africa, anything useful had been borrowed. You can see our ride in the background, Toyota condor baby!.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a210/coyotetac/tank1adotjpg

This one is on the main street in Ambo (the city is marked Agere Hiywet on google). The lat/long of this tank is 8.982219,37.864573 I tried to remember where the other ones are so I could provide that info for all the tanks, but they have been widening the road and my memory is about as sharp as google maps sat imagery (can't zoom in far enough).

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a210/coyotetac/tank3adotjpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a210/coyotetac/tank4adotjpg

Sorry about the quality of this one, I took digital pictures of some of my snapshots before I had a scanner and couldn't find this one when I went to scan the others.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a210/coyotetac/africa/P4160069dotjpg

KoTeMoRe
04-10-2008, 07:13 PM
Great input mate. You truly can see how the 55 was a WW2 derivative. Really great pictures.

railsplitter
04-11-2008, 01:18 PM
German tank destroyer, knocked out by the 84th Infantry Division, Hanover, Germany, March 1945.

Chris1012
04-11-2008, 03:58 PM
New here, but thought I would share a few pictures I took while in Ethiopia.
I was traveling west from Addis Ababa to the city of Ambo and I saw these sacttered on either sides of the road. Russian T-55 I believe.





http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a210/coyotetac/tank1adotjpg

This one is on the main street in Ambo (the city is marked Agere Hiywet on google). The lat/long of this tank is 8.982219,37.864573 I tried to remember where the other ones are so I could provide that info for all the tanks, but they have been widening the road and my memory is about as sharp as google maps sat imagery (can't zoom in far enough).

Surreal, I put that lat/long into google earth and out popped the outline of a tank :)

Karl Agathon
04-11-2008, 06:05 PM
Destroyed and disabled M-84 tanks of Yugoslav People's Army in Nuštar, Croatia, October 1991.


http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/981/nustar2zo9dotjpg

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/2110/nustar3cl9dotjpg

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/1281/nustar1xf5dotjpg

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/3181/nustar4ao5dotjpg

HS2000
04-11-2008, 07:06 PM
The same M-84 but in the next 2 pictures the turret has been removed. Second photo is from www.domovinskirat.com (http://www.domovinskirat.com) site.

RWR
04-11-2008, 07:42 PM
Bosnian war.
Destroyed Serb armor in battle that was fought in Karause near Doboj on 20.03.1993 between VRS and ARBiH.

http://static.panoramio.com/photos/original/8167048dotjpg


http://static.panoramio.com/photos/original/8002505dotjpg


http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/6663/dsc00025hl9dotjpg



Commemorative plaque



http://static.panoramio.com/photos/original/8002499dotjpg



War time photos of same tanks...

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/9619/a23ni1dotjpg

PennyWise
05-11-2008, 03:49 AM
Destroyed M1 Abrams

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fd/Destroyed-M1-DM-SD-04-03261.JPEG/800px-Destroyed-M1-DM-SD-04-03261.JPEG
http://www.specops.superhost.pl/photogallery/us_destroyed_equipment/437abrams21dotjpg
http://www.nogw.com/images/destroyed-m1dotjpg
http://www.specops.superhost.pl/photogallery/us_destroyed_equipment/437abrams2adotjpg
http://www.combatreform2.com/m1heavytankstuckinthemudofiraqicanaldotjpg
http://www.aeronautics.ru/img/img006/coalition_hardware_losses_iraq/web_gal/hardware/gallery/images/abrams_013dotjpg
http://www.aeronautics.ru/img/img006/coalition_hardware_losses_iraq/web_gal/hardware/gallery/images/abrams_012dotjpg

soutikghosh
05-11-2008, 03:55 AM
Destroyed M1 Abrams

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fd/Destroyed-M1-DM-SD-04-03261.JPEG/800px-Destroyed-M1-DM-SD-04-03261.JPEG
http://www.specops.superhost.pl/photogallery/us_destroyed_equipment/437abrams21dotjpg
http://www.nogw.com/images/destroyed-m1dotjpg
http://www.specops.superhost.pl/photogallery/us_destroyed_equipment/437abrams2adotjpg
http://www.combatreform2.com/m1heavytankstuckinthemudofiraqicanaldotjpg
http://www.aeronautics.ru/img/img006/coalition_hardware_losses_iraq/web_gal/hardware/gallery/images/abrams_013dotjpg
http://www.aeronautics.ru/img/img006/coalition_hardware_losses_iraq/web_gal/hardware/gallery/images/abrams_012dotjpg

How were these destroyed ? The story behind it and the fatalities as it is not easy to destyoy an Abrams.

Annihilator9112
05-11-2008, 03:58 AM
How were these destroyed ? The story behind it and the fatalities as it is not easy to destyoy an Abrams.

i would also like to know that.

Slinky
05-11-2008, 05:30 AM
some were probably disabled, but then destroyed by friendlys, so that they wouldnt fall into enemy hands.

kongman
05-11-2008, 06:09 AM
some of those abrams look disabled not destroyed

HappyHeady
05-11-2008, 06:21 AM
more of various pics + three impressive WW2 pics

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=42837&d=1202254604



This Panther 5 was destroyed in front of the "Kölner Dom" in Cologne, Germany. More informations: http://www.3ad.com/history/wwll/feature.pages/bates.index.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jt5bJQOkI1g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_ZDBinC0XI&feature=related

http://home.earthlink.net/%7Eandymagee/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/colorcolognepantherdotjpg

I also heard a theory, that a Sherman knocked out the Panther.


EDIT:
http://*******.com/e65a2hdotjpg

Ravage
05-11-2008, 07:16 AM
Ineresting yet some are quite disturbing.
You think that you are safe under all that armor....

Big Lebowski
05-11-2008, 07:30 AM
http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/4557/abramspenetratednk5dotjpg

Snoshi
05-11-2008, 07:36 AM
Ineresting yet some are quite disturbing.
You think that you are safe under all that armor....

Many people overrate tanks armour.. Tank is still vulnerable when it gets hit in the side or in the rear.

KoTeMoRe
05-11-2008, 08:09 AM
http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/4557/abramspenetratednk5dotjpg


Turret in towing position, most probably by Blue fire (either APFSDS or HEAT?) to render the tank useless for insurgents/IA.

Walker-69
05-11-2008, 08:46 AM
Not really a TANK, but an armoured vehicle of Soviet origin anyways. This was in Angola, near the Namibian border. I took the picture in 1993, but the APC had been lying by the side of the road for years and years already. I have no idea what had caused it's demise - did it just break down, or was it ambushed or bombed by South African forces? Actually, it could have driven into a mine. Someone tell the name of this vehicle, I get confused with all the BTRs and BRDMs and so on.

The history of the wars in Angola is interesting. How many of you know that Castro sent Cuban troops to Angola, numbering 60000 (yes, sixty thousand men) at the peak? Some of the South Africans on this forum might have been fighting there in Angola.

flanker7
05-11-2008, 08:49 AM
It seems to be a BTR-60

Walker-69
05-11-2008, 09:01 AM
Thank you Flanker7.

I took this picture when I visited Israel for the first and only time (hope to visit Israel again, BTW!) This was in the Golan heights. The tank is maybe not destroyed, but a turret of a tank is left there as a reminder of wars past. You can see Syria there behind the turret, maybe the little river is the border - some more knowledgeable forum member could fill in the details, also the make and model of the tank, etc. Do the white *****es on the turret mean victories (ie. kills)? Does the posture of the turret signify/mean something, I mean, like, Syria is right there in front, is there a subliminal message or what?

Alfacentori
05-11-2008, 09:05 AM
Almost looks like it was put there as a static defence, cool p-)

Alfa

PennyWise
05-11-2008, 09:33 AM
How were these destroyed ? The story behind it and the fatalities as it is not easy to destyoy an Abrams.

I just provide pictures, but please don't ask me to to dig up the stories.

HappyHeady
05-11-2008, 10:20 AM
Thank you Flanker7.

I took this picture when I visited Israel for the first and only time (hope to visit Israel again, BTW!) This was in the Golan heights. The tank is maybe not destroyed, but a turret of a tank is left there as a reminder of wars past. You can see Syria there behind the turret, maybe the little river is the border - some more knowledgeable forum member could fill in the details, also the make and model of the tank, etc. Do the white *****es on the turret mean victories (ie. kills)? Does the posture of the turret signify/mean something, I mean, like, Syria is right there in front, is there a subliminal message or what?

I think it is a downgraded M48 (Magach) turret placed as defence or monument. AFAIK the *****es indicate the platoon or company(not sure).

Kaplanr
05-11-2008, 12:55 PM
Thank you Flanker7.

I took this picture when I visited Israel for the first and only time (hope to visit Israel again, BTW!) This was in the Golan heights. The tank is maybe not destroyed, but a turret of a tank is left there as a reminder of wars past. You can see Syria there behind the turret, maybe the little river is the border - some more knowledgeable forum member could fill in the details, also the make and model of the tank, etc. Do the white *****es on the turret mean victories (ie. kills)? Does the posture of the turret signify/mean something, I mean, like, Syria is right there in front, is there a subliminal message or what?

It's taken from one of the Israeli positions overlooking the Valley of Tears on the Golan. Here are some of mine from a visit there 3 weeks ago. THere wasn't any memorial plaque by or on the turret so I couldn't tell you what the story behind it is. I'll venture a guess (not being an armour guy) that it's not from 1973 or 74. All the knobs and thingys look like they're to mount Blazer armor on the turret; an addition from the late 70s. Perhaps it's from SHalom HaGalil.

Memorial for 77 Btn. men who died defending the position.
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e373/Kaplanr/100_1332dotjpg

Other side of the position where the Patton turrent is.
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e373/Kaplanr/Shot2dotjpg

This one is near to the right and lower down from the Shot above.
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e373/Kaplanr/Shot3dotjpg

This would be almost from the Patton turret. It's the remnant of the anti-tank ditch.
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e373/Kaplanr/ditchdotjpg

flanker7
05-19-2008, 11:16 AM
I found these on another forum. It says that it's an Abrams tank hit by multible EFP with no penetration.

Please delete if it violates OPSEC



http://www.ciar.org/ttk/mbt/armor/armor.america.abrams.2007-10-20.heat-nonpenetration-images/Picture089dotjpg

http://www.ciar.org/ttk/mbt/armor/armor.america.abrams.2007-10-20.heat-nonpenetration-images/Picture096dotjpg

http://www.ciar.org/ttk/mbt/armor/armor.america.abrams.2007-10-20.heat-nonpenetration-images/Picture090dotjpg

http://www.ciar.org/ttk/mbt/armor/armor.america.abrams.2007-10-20.heat-nonpenetration-images/Picture097dotjpg

http://www.ciar.org/ttk/mbt/armor/armor.america.abrams.2007-10-20.heat-nonpenetration-images/Picture091dotjpg

http://www.ciar.org/ttk/mbt/armor/armor.america.abrams.2007-10-20.heat-nonpenetration-images/Picture098dotjpg

http://www.ciar.org/ttk/mbt/armor/armor.america.abrams.2007-10-20.heat-nonpenetration-images/Picture092dotjpg

http://www.ciar.org/ttk/mbt/armor/armor.america.abrams.2007-10-20.heat-nonpenetration-images/Picture099dotjpg

http://www.ciar.org/ttk/mbt/armor/armor.america.abrams.2007-10-20.heat-nonpenetration-images/Picture093dotjpg

http://www.ciar.org/ttk/mbt/armor/armor.america.abrams.2007-10-20.heat-nonpenetration-images/Picture094dotjpg

http://www.ciar.org/ttk/mbt/armor/armor.america.abrams.2007-10-20.heat-nonpenetration-images/Picture101dotjpg

http://www.ciar.org/ttk/mbt/armor/armor.america.abrams.2007-10-20.heat-nonpenetration-images/Picture095dotjpg

oregongrunt
06-04-2008, 07:21 PM
How were these destroyed ? The story behind it and the fatalities as it is not easy to destyoy an Abrams.

I was in the battlespace when a few of these incidents happened. I saw a a couple later on and took my own pics of them. I know that a few were mobility kills so we knocked them out ourselves so the enemy couldn't use them. If I remember right, one was hit by a Russian-made missle.

Reaver
06-04-2008, 08:33 PM
I herd RPG-29's and Shaped Charges can penetrate an M1A2 side and rear amour

guest
06-04-2008, 08:49 PM
I herd RPG-29's and Shaped Charges can penetrate an M1A2 side and rear amour

I heard, you shouldn't allways believe everything you hear.

eskachig
06-04-2008, 09:52 PM
I heard, you shouldn't allways believe everything you hear.It's not at all inconceivable that RPG-29 (with PG-29V rounds) can penetrate it from side, and certainly from the rear. After all, it's on record as penetrating a Challenger's frontal armor in Iraq. But "Shaped Charges" is more than a little vague.

KoTeMoRe
06-05-2008, 03:31 AM
It's not at all inconceivable that RPG-29 (with PG-29V rounds) can penetrate it from side, and certainly from the rear. After all, it's on record as penetrating a Challenger's frontal armor in Iraq. But "Shaped Charges" is more than a little vague.


Mhh I read that on the Independent.

Bro Jangles
06-05-2008, 04:06 AM
It's not at all inconceivable that RPG-29 (with PG-29V rounds) can penetrate it from side, and certainly from the rear. After all, it's on record as penetrating a Challenger's frontal armor in Iraq. But "Shaped Charges" is more than a little vague.

i remember seeing photos of the inside of an M1A1 that had been hit by a sagger or something on Strategypage.com. interesting photos, but aparently they wernt cleared by the DoD and had to be removed.

MZKT
06-05-2008, 08:54 PM
It's not at all inconceivable that RPG-29 (with PG-29V rounds) can penetrate it from side, and certainly from the rear. After all, it's on record as penetrating a Challenger's frontal armor in Iraq. But "Shaped Charges" is more than a little vague.

Actually, the standard RPG-7 can penetrate it either when using PG-7VR rounds (700mm RHA penetration, penetrates any surface except the front turret armor and lower glacis) or VL rounds (500mm RHA, sufficient to penetrate side hull).
However those rounds were not yet seen in Iraq, the majority is PG-7VL and chinese copies with 200-250mm peneration, mainly over 15 years old and stored under horrible conditions resulting in substandard penetration capabilies and high dud rate.

the_hog
06-06-2008, 04:38 AM
Any more from Angola or Mozambique?

Abbadon the Despoiler
06-06-2008, 06:19 AM
hey guys. its a little bit offtopic but father from my friend were in CSLA. He said that they could easily penetrate BMPs with DŠk or even with intense fire of Uk59...how come?

MZKT
06-06-2008, 09:40 AM
BMP side armor is against 7,62. DShK and some 7,62 AP-rounds will penetrate it. Same for BTR, Stryker, MOWAG Piranha and other vehicles under 20t.

Abbadon the Despoiler
06-06-2008, 10:02 AM
BMP side armor is against 7,62. DShK and some 7,62 AP-rounds will penetrate it. Same for BTR, Stryker, MOWAG Piranha and other vehicles under 20t.

ok, thanks for clarification...

alejandro_
06-09-2008, 10:39 AM
Some photos, Panther destroyed in Poznan and Czechoslovakia:

Abbadon the Despoiler
06-09-2008, 03:53 PM
nice pics but you probably mean city of Pilsen

alejandro_
06-10-2008, 05:41 PM
nice pics but you probably mean city of Pilsen

Poznan according to this website:

http://www.odkrywca.pl/pokaz_watek.php?id=138797

Abbadon the Despoiler
06-11-2008, 12:43 AM
Poznan according to this website:

http://www.odkrywca.pl/pokaz_watek.php?id=138797

in that case its not in Czechoslovakia but in Poland. nice site though.

KoTeMoRe
06-11-2008, 01:35 AM
The site is made of pure gold. There is an outstanding picture of a trans-Ural tanking crew. Effing amazing.

Holycrusader
06-11-2008, 02:58 AM
It's not at all inconceivable that RPG-29 (with PG-29V rounds) can penetrate it from side, and certainly from the rear. After all, it's on record as penetrating a Challenger's frontal armor in Iraq. But "Shaped Charges" is more than a little vague.

RPG-29 penetrated at least twice time front hull of Challenger

Here is the story
Report by Daily Telegraph Defense Correspondent Sean Rayment: "MOD Kept Failure of Best Tank Quiet" Sunday Telegraph 13 May 2007

One of the British Army's Challenger 2 tanks was pierced by an Iraqi insurgent missile more than eight months earlier than the Government has previously admitted.

The Ministry of Defence had claimed that an attack last month that breached a tank's armour was the first of its kind in four years of war in Iraq. But another Challenger 2 was pierced by a powerful rocket-propelled grenade in August last year during an attack that blew off part of a soldier's foot and injured several others.

The injured soldier's family has accused the Government of a cover-up and demanded to know why soldiers manning Challenger 2 tanks had not been warned of the failings with the tank's armour.

Liam Fox, the shadow defence secretary, said he would challenge the government on why the Ministry of Defence (MOD) had apparently misled the public over the timing of the first incident in which the hugely robust defences of the Challenger had been breached.

He said: "Obviously, no armour is indestructible and there is no doubt that the insurgents have increasingly sophisticated technology but it is important in maintaining public confidence that the MOD and the Government tell the truth to the -British public."

The Challenger 2 is reputed to be one of the most sophisticated tanks in the world and those used in Iraq by the British Army are built with Dorchester armour, the composition of which is top secret. The tank is also fitted with explosive reactive armour (ERA) at its front that should deflect any weapon fired at its hull.

The MOD has finally confirmed that the tank's armour was breached last August and has said that an investigation was conducted to discover why the ERA appears to have failed. However, the department refused to comment on its findings, citing security reasons.

In the August attack, which occurred during an operation to arrest a leading insurgent in the town of al-Amarah, in southern Iraq, the Challenger was damaged when a Russian-made rocket-propelled grenade, known as an RPG-29, defeated the ERA and penetrated the driver's cabin.

The RPG-29 is a much more powerful weapon than the common type regularly used by insurgents to attack British troops. It is specifically designed to penetrate tank armour, although this is the first occasion on which it has managed to damage a Challenger.

During the attack Trooper Sean Chance, a 20-year-old serving with the Queen's Royal Hussars, lost half of his left foot; two other crew members were injured.

The unit's commander described the moment the tank was hit by the missile in a letter he wrote to the wounded soldier in March. The officer wrote: "I recall seeing it (the RPG-29 being fired) and thinking, 'Oh Christ, that's bad.'

"As it slammed into the hull, I was picked up by the shock wave of the blast and thrown against the back wall of the turret. The explosion singed my eyebrows and burnt my face slightly. The tank was full of acrid smoke and fumes. I became aware of you screaming, 'I'm hit, I'm hit. My foot's off.'

"Daz (another crew member) and I looked at each other in slight disbelief - after all, what could possibly breach a CR2's (Challenger's) armour?"

Tpr Chance's mother Kay, 49, from Bromsgrove, Worcestershire, said her son had been told that the Challenger was the best in the world and essentially impenetrable to any weapons the insurgents possessed.

She said: "Sean often told me he felt totally safe because he was in the best tank in the world. But we now know that is not the case. The Government has covered it up.

"If I was the mother of the poor soldier who lost his legs last month I would be horrified to think that an earlier attack like this had happened before but none of the soldiers were told about it."

His brother Luke said that Tpr Chance had been "abandoned" by the Army following his injury. He said: "Sean has been forgotten about. He hasn't received his Iraq medal. He's been told he is going to be medically discharged because of his injury but no one has told him when and what sort of pension he might get. It's a disgrace."

A spokesman for the MOD said: "We have never claimed that the Challenger 2 is impenetrable. There is no question of a cover-up. Any suggestion that this was the first successful attack against a Challenger 2 tank was given in good faith based on the information available at the time.

"We would like to reassure the family that lessons were learnt from the incident last August and measures were taken to enhance the protection of our personnel."

On April 6, a Challenger was damaged by a roadside bomb in Basra. In that attack a soldier lost both his legs. Details of the incident were not made public until April 23, when

the MOD claimed: "This was the first successful attack on a Challenger 2. It's the first bomb to have damaged it.

Mathieu29
06-11-2008, 02:11 PM
Imobilized Merkava in Libanon, capture by PLO forces, later when the Israelis launched a counter offensive to get it back was it set on fire by the retreating PLO fighters.

I'm note sure that this Merkava was set in fire by the PLO fighter.

This Merkava was destroyed during the night of 10-11 june 1982, near the town of Khalde, in the suburbs of Beirut.
During this battle, there were two photographers on the spot : the french war reporter Patrick Chauvel (who was with Druses militiamen of the PSP), and Reza (Time magazine).
In his book, Patrick Chauvel says that the the tank took fire during the ambush, and three armored vehicles (no much precision) were lost by Tsahal.

The Israelis subsequently mounted a local counterattack and recovered the wreckage.

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x28/Flex29/1011juin82paldotjpg

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x28/Flex29/1982chardtruitdotjpg

On this picture from a french book "Les guerres de l'aprčs-guerre", we can see PLO militiamen, PSP militiamen and also one SSNP militiaman :

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x28/Flex29/Beyrouthmiliciensdotjpg

Snoshi
06-11-2008, 02:23 PM
I'm note sure that this Merkava was set in fire by the PLO fighter.

This Merkava was destroyed during the night of 10-11 june 1982, near the town of Khalde, in the suburbs of Beirut.
During this battle, there were two photographers on the spot : the french war reporter Patrick Chauvel (who was with Druses militiamen of the PSP), and Reza (Time magazine).
In his book, Patrick Chauvel says that the the tank took fire during the ambush, and three armored vehicles (no much precision) were lost by Tsahal.



You are wrong.. Many people do this mistake. It is true that one Merkava from 211st brigade was destroyed near Khalde. But that happened on 10.06.82.
These pics was taken near Beiruts airport on 11.07.82. The Merkava and one Magach were knocked out when they were making "recon by force" by Jumblats militia. For few hours it was in the hands of militants before it was evacuted to IDF controlled area.

Mathieu29
06-11-2008, 02:35 PM
You are wrong.. Many people do this mistake.
It's not me :), it's what Patrick Chauvel tells in his book, the man who photographed this tank and the lebanese militiamen.

Mathieu29
06-11-2008, 03:25 PM
These pics was taken near Beiruts airport on 11.07.82.
Wrong.
Some of these pictures were published in Time magazine, and the french magazine "Paris Match".
I have this "Paris Match", the magazine was published the 25 june 1982...

Cava
06-11-2008, 04:00 PM
i would also like to know that.

when the hit the fuel tank, its can be damaged mutch.

tom03
06-21-2008, 07:01 AM
Slovenia

Yugoslav People Army M-84 destroyed by a mine.

http://www.military-content.info/albums/Destroyed%20tanks/Yugoslav_People_Army_M-84_destroyed_by_a_mine%2C_Slovenia_1991__Mine_explosion_most_probably_activated_125mm_ammo_and_completely_destroyed_the_tank_dotjpg

Another tank destroyed in Slovenia 1991
http://www.military-content.info/albums/Destroyed%20tanks/Another_tank_destroyed_in_Slovenia_1991_dotjpg

Bye

Likvid
06-21-2008, 11:45 AM
I herd RPG-29's and Shaped Charges can penetrate an M1A2 side and rear amour
RPG-29 must go through M1A2 side armor like hot knife through butter.

Check these trials against T-80U and T-90.
http://russianarmor.info/Tanks/TRIALS/19991020.html

tuffaznalz
06-21-2008, 02:55 PM
RPG-29 must go through M1A2 side armor like hot knife through butter.

Check these trials against T-80U and T-90.

Where did you get the idea that a T-anythings' armor is on par with the M1A2?

Jippo
06-21-2008, 03:20 PM
Where did you get the idea that a T-anythings' armor is on par with the M1A2?

Where did you get the idea it isn't?

MZKT
06-21-2008, 03:45 PM
Where did you get the idea that a T-anythings' armor is on par with the M1A2?

RPG-29 penetrated Chally2 frontal armor. Side armor which is usually 2 or 3 times thinner than the front is no problem for any modern AGL or ATGM, regardless if the tank is of chinese, western or russian design.

BTW: RPG-7 with VR-warhead, will also destroy and tank from the side. From the rear even the old VM-warhead is dangerous.

therifleman
06-21-2008, 04:13 PM
A Bradley that looks like it's been utterly gutted.
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk190/Winimperial/destroyed20Bradleydotjpg

http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk190/Winimperial/destroyed20Bradley2dotjpg

http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk190/Winimperial/destroyed20Bradley3dotjpg

meatrabbit
06-21-2008, 04:15 PM
^^When were those pics taken?

therifleman
06-21-2008, 04:38 PM
I think around 2006, not exactly sure though.

Tribunius
06-21-2008, 04:45 PM
The bradley has a lot of aluminium/aluminum in it so when it burns the weight of the turret can't be supported anymore and it caves in as it were.

KoTeMoRe
06-21-2008, 05:17 PM
The bradley has a lot of aluminium/aluminum in it so when it burns the weight of the turret can't be supported anymore and it caves in as it were.

IED, not designed to withstand that.

B25Hmitchell
06-21-2008, 05:32 PM
Turret in towing position, most probably by Blue fire (either APFSDS or HEAT?) to render the tank useless for insurgents/IA.

I posted about this tank here...

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=136468

KoTeMoRe
06-21-2008, 05:35 PM
I posted about this tank here...

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=136468

Mhh I knew it, turret in towing position, couldn't be anything else.

Arian
06-21-2008, 07:17 PM
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk190/Winimperial/destroyed20Bradleydotjpg

In this picture you can see the large empty cavities on the side of the Bradley. What are these? Is this the actual "armor" arrangement of the Bradley, meaning two layers of armor and empty space in between, or are these fuel tanks? If this is representative of the side armor, isn't this a bit thin, unless the space is filled with something else? Or maybe I'm just totally misinterpreting what I'm seeing.

LineDoggie
06-22-2008, 01:44 AM
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk190/Winimperial/destroyed20Bradleydotjpg

In this picture you can see the large empty cavities on the side of the Bradley. What are these? Is this the actual "armor" arrangement of the Bradley, meaning two layers of armor and empty space in between, or are these fuel tanks? If this is representative of the side armor, isn't this a bit thin, unless the space is filled with something else? Or maybe I'm just totally misinterpreting what I'm seeing.

The open cavities were originally designed to hold C-Rations for the Crew and Dismounts back in the 1980's. No Idea what the use the storage boxes for now. The Box on top is where the rear lights went.

shadowsrider
06-23-2008, 08:01 AM
Where did you get the idea that a T-anythings' armor is on par with the M1A2?

Calling T-80U and T-90 by "T-anything" you've shown obvious ignorance. Newest version of T-90 has frontal armor equivalent of 1500mm steel. While I still bet that M1A2 is better this is not dramatical difference.

Diman
06-23-2008, 09:18 AM
http://www.doodoo.ru/image-2006/11-17-destroyed-tank/thumb-destroyed-tank-20dotjpg

http://i.i.ua/prikol/pic/0/6/2660_1680dotjpg

http://i.i.ua/prikol/pic/0/6/2660_1684dotjpg

http://i.i.ua/prikol/pic/0/6/2660_1685dotjpg

http://i.i.ua/prikol/pic/0/6/2660_1687dotjpg

http://ru.fishki.net/picsr/podbitt_22dotjpg

repetition???

Diman
06-23-2008, 09:52 AM
http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/7536/a1qy6dotjpg

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/8994/a2zv3dotjpg

http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/2586/a3vs1dotjpg

http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/5285/a4pw5dotjpg

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/2715/a5dv6dotjpg

http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/1862/a6nx9dotjpg

http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/5301/a7vj0dotjpg

http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/5432/a9jl7dotjpg

Likvid
06-23-2008, 11:33 AM
Where did you get the idea that a T-anythings' armor is on par with the M1A2?
Did you at least check that link?
Although M1A2 has better armor than T-80U and probably somewhat better than T-90, there is no way how side armor could be better than T-80U and T-90 frontal armor.

Diman
06-24-2008, 03:54 PM
http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/4284/39443731sn8dotjpg

m.i.t
06-24-2008, 05:47 PM
http://i.i.ua/prikol/pic/0/6/2660_1680dotjpg


what is it NO RAD ?

and what is the total M-1 losts in iraq by now ?

eckherl
06-24-2008, 06:56 PM
No rad stands for no radiation. Due to possible fracticide during the no initial stages of the conflict it was important to know if a friendly vehicle was hit by a DU projectile, if hit with DU there are special handling procedures that must be followed.

LEGEND
06-25-2008, 01:55 PM
more of various pics + three impressive WW2 picshttp://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=42835&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1202254604


Great photo, where was this taken?

Dark Avenger
06-25-2008, 02:28 PM
http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/4284/39443731sn8dotjpg
This is very interesting; it shows the weak spots of the Elefant for various projectiles and antitank grenades as well as antitank grenades (shown hitting the top of the tank). Of the artillery rounds, the smallest one must be HVAP (APCR to the British or Sub-Caliber/Pod Kalibreniy to the Russians), the boat-tail one looks like normal APC (with the calibers shown in the illustration) and the long one must be HE. And what might be a molotov cocktail on the engine grille.

Rynnäkkökivääri
06-25-2008, 02:43 PM
what is it NO RAD ?

and what is the total M-1 losts in iraq by now ?
It could also mean that it wasn't equipped with DU armor.

Nansouty
06-25-2008, 03:40 PM
Some WW1 pics.

Tank Schneider, 1917:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3036/2610648139_f1ff876dffdotjpg?v=0

Mark IV Tank, 1916 :
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3153/2610648077_49b910964adotjpg?v=0

German A7V Tank (caption says "captured in Picardie" )
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3059/2610648253_6f755d3555dotjpg?v=0

V/E
06-25-2008, 04:18 PM
Great photo, where was this taken?

Saipan probably, there are still a few (2 or 3) Shermantanks left on the beach since the invasion..


http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/album311/aaadotjpg

V/E
06-25-2008, 04:24 PM
http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/album311/aaf.sizeddotjpg
Japanese tanks in saipan, photos from 2002 ca.

http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/album311/aagdotgif


http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/album311/aahdotgif


http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/album311/aeg.sizeddotjpg

Sorry for the poor quality, the pictures were taken with my minolta APS-camera.


http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/album311/aab.sizeddotjpg
Sherman tank, Guam.


http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/album311/adu.sizeddotjpg
Sherman tank, Angaur.


http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/album311/adv.sizeddotjpg
Angaur again....

V/E
06-25-2008, 04:35 PM
http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/album311/abf.sizeddotjpg
US Sherman tank,turned upsidedown by a IED (buried aerialbomb) while escorting/transporting wounded away from the fighting,1 survivor,Pelileu.


http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/album311/acw.sizeddotjpg


http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/album311/abg.sizeddotjpg
Hull position MG.


http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/album311/aes.sizeddotjpg
Inside wiew, Machine gun bent from power of the explosion.


http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/album311/aer.sizeddotjpg
Turret interior.

V/E
06-25-2008, 04:38 PM
http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/album413/abz.sizeddotjpg
Brittish Archer (?) in egypt 1995.


http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/album413/aca.sizeddotjpg

Dark Avenger
06-26-2008, 02:50 AM
Yep, that's an Archer. The "slow motion" suspension is characteristic of the Valentine infantry tank, upon which the Archer was based, and the remains of the front plate and the gun trunnion positively make it an Archer.
P.S.: The 17-pdr (76,2mm) gun of the Archer pointed to the rear, so when in firing position the driver had to get out to avoid being decapitated by the recoiling gun.


One more thing: I think that of the Shermans posted by V/E, those late M4s with the composite cast/rolled hull were US Army, while the all welded ones are most likely USMC M4A2/A3.

Tareece
06-26-2008, 08:17 AM
Saipan probably, there are still a few (2 or 3) Shermantanks left on the beach since the invasion..


http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/album311/aaadotjpg

According to the source I got it from (I copied it a long time ago onto my pictures folder), it is off Iwo Jima

V/E
06-26-2008, 02:28 PM
According to the source I got it from (I copied it a long time ago onto my pictures folder), it is off Iwo Jima


We were both wrong the beach/tank is in Flamenco Beach, Culebra in Puerto Rico.

http://www.city-data.com/forum/u-s-territories/213887-view-flamenco-beach-culebra-pr.html

the dutch egg
06-26-2008, 03:45 PM
http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/2715/a5dv6dotjpg



If my eye's dont decief me thats a king tiger tank (Panzerkampfwagen VI Ausf. B) with one massief hole in its turret, does any one know what happend here? from what I know/was told its wasn't very easy for the allies to do this kind of damage to a tiger II,
turret armor on the side is 80mm @ 69 degrees.

Tareece
06-26-2008, 03:59 PM
We were both wrong the beach/tank is in Flamenco Beach, Culebra in Puerto Rico.

http://www.city-data.com/forum/u-s-territories/213887-view-flamenco-beach-culebra-pr.html


LOL.....Romanctism I guess....I had it written as a caption for the pic "Still standing guard 60 yrs later"

Thats not the same tank...Just looked at your source...compared to the other one...turret is pointed in different direction, plus Indian Arrow on turret....I'll chase down my source hopefully

KoTeMoRe
06-26-2008, 04:17 PM
If my eye's dont decief me thats a king tiger tank (Panzerkampfwagen VI Ausf. B) with one massief hole in its turret, does any one know what happend here? from what I know/was told its wasn't very easy for the allies to do this kind of damage to a tiger II,
turret armor on the side is 80mm @ 69 degrees.

Given the quality of the picture, either a fluke from a IS2 shown of for agit-Prop. Either Zee germans got into the sights of an m36...

MZKT
06-26-2008, 06:10 PM
There is an additional hit circle close to the hole. Most probably it was a non-penetrating hit from a heavy grenate (152mm ISU or 122mm ISU/IS-2) which cracked the armor plates and disabled the tank, while the second hit made the hole.

Ksiunc
06-27-2008, 10:16 AM
And it's good to add that the steel that the Tiger II was made of was some of extremely poor quality, so disabling this tank wasn't so difficult.

the dutch egg
06-27-2008, 12:16 PM
well thanks for your thoughts, sounds plausible. But if I look at the terrian in the picture it doensn't looks like they good ambushed by a m36. and how did they end in that ditch? did the driver drove in there after being hit?

its very specific I know but it always interests me how a tanks gets take out.

cheers.

Bachelor
06-27-2008, 12:57 PM
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=15298&d=1161140397

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=15299&d=1161140410

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=15301&d=1161140428


http://voiska.ru/forum/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=95

http://voiska.ru/forum/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=94

KoTeMoRe
06-28-2008, 07:07 AM
well thanks for your thoughts, sounds plausible. But if I look at the terrian in the picture it doensn't looks like they good ambushed by a m36. and how did they end in that ditch? did the driver drove in there after being hit?

its very specific I know but it always interests me how a tanks gets take out.

cheers.


Actually we don't see much terrain. It can be a road in Belgium or Germany or Hungary, Romania. The hit is on the tanks left side, could have been hit by a hidden M36/IS2/ISU122/152 on the village nearby..

Seeing the electric post and the looks of those kids I'm willing to bet this could have been in Germany or Belgium. But the number on the tank is fishy. Must have been painted after contact. And I know the Soviets had a good habit of painting the number of the "killer" on the impact zone.

NimDod
06-28-2008, 07:37 AM
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=15298&d=1161140397
I dont remember that this vehicle was destroyed in that incident

mannelig
06-28-2008, 08:39 AM
I dont remember that this vehicle was destroyed in that incident

British Warrior, as I remember by Molotov cocktail.



http://voiska.ru/forum/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=94

And what happebed here?

Snoshi
06-28-2008, 08:40 AM
http://voiska.ru/forum/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=94
Are those two penetrations from Sabot rounds?

KoTeMoRe
06-28-2008, 08:55 AM
http://voiska.ru/forum/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=94
Are those two penetrations from Sabot rounds?

Mhh given the diameter and "splash": Maverick in front and APFSDS on the side, but...could be both Sabots.

Edit: could be an hellfire too in front.

Snoshi
06-28-2008, 09:09 AM
Mhh given the diameter and "splash": Maverick in front and APFSDS on the side, but...could be both Sabots.

Edit: could be an hellfire too in front.

yeah you are probably right.. The hole is too "big" to be sabot

strumbird
06-28-2008, 09:23 AM
Actually we don't see much terrain. It can be a road in Belgium or Germany or Hungary, Romania. The hit is on the tanks left side, could have been hit by a hidden M36/IS2/ISU122/152 on the village nearby..

Seeing the electric post and the looks of those kids I'm willing to bet this could have been in Germany or Belgium. But the number on the tank is fishy. Must have been painted after contact. And I know the Soviets had a good habit of painting the number of the "killer" on the impact zone.

The early King Tiger (Porsche turret) is from 316 Funklenk-Panzerkompanie, 130 Panzer Lehr division. The tank was lost in Chateaudun, France. The crater must be from a bomb blast from allied bombers. The tank must have drove into it.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v47/jv_44/kingtiger316dotjpg
USAAF air crews with the King Tiger.

Likvid
06-28-2008, 11:41 AM
could be an hellfire too in front.
Hellfire makes much smaller hole because of more advanced and much lighter shaped charge, this is from Maverick (Maverick warhead is more than six-times hevier than Hellfire warhead, it weights more than entire Hellfire). Hellfire should probably get through such big hole entirely :) Also current Hellfires hits target from above.


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Lot of pictures with destroyed armored vehicles (I think this site was actually already posted, but without much success, so this time directly to destroyed vehicles).

German ones:
http://www.battlefield.ru/content/view/204/105/lang,en/

Russian ones:
http://www.battlefield.ru/content/view/203/104/lang,en/

Samples:

Panther
http://www.battlefield.ru/destroyed/germany/panther_06dotjpg

Königstiger
http://www.battlefield.ru/destroyed/germany/king_02dotjpg

Jagdtiger
http://www.battlefield.ru/destroyed/germany/jagdtiger_01dotjpg

Jagdpanther
http://www.battlefield.ru/destroyed/germany/jagdpanther_01dotjpg

SU-100
http://www.battlefield.ru/destroyed/ussr/su100_01dotjpg

T-34
http://www.battlefield.ru/destroyed/ussr/t34_16dotjpg

Valentine
http://www.battlefield.ru/destroyed/ussr/valentine3_02dotjpg

T-26
http://www.battlefield.ru/destroyed/ussr/t26_01dotjpg

KoTeMoRe
06-28-2008, 04:44 PM
Hellfire makes much smaller hole because of more advanced and much lighter shaped charge, this is from Maverick (Maverick warhead is more than six-times hevier than Hellfire warhead, it weights more than entire Hellfire). Hellfire should probably get through such big hole entirely :) Also current Hellfires hits target from above.


------------------------------------------------------


Lot of pictures with destroyed armored vehicles (I think this site was actually already posted, but without much success, so this time directly to destroyed vehicles).

German ones:
http://www.battlefield.ru/content/view/204/105/lang,en/

Russian ones:
http://www.battlefield.ru/content/view/203/104/lang,en/

Samples:

Panther
http://www.battlefield.ru/destroyed/germany/panther_06dotjpg

Königstiger
http://www.battlefield.ru/destroyed/germany/king_02dotjpg

Jagdtiger
http://www.battlefield.ru/destroyed/germany/jagdtiger_01dotjpg

Jagdpanther
http://www.battlefield.ru/destroyed/germany/jagdpanther_01dotjpg

SU-100
http://www.battlefield.ru/destroyed/ussr/su100_01dotjpg

T-34
http://www.battlefield.ru/destroyed/ussr/t34_16dotjpg

Valentine
http://www.battlefield.ru/destroyed/ussr/valentine3_02dotjpg

T-26
http://www.battlefield.ru/destroyed/ussr/t26_01dotjpg

I know that at least 2 M1 were hit by an AGM 65 to disable them definitievely but couldn't be positive about theone pictured. Matter of politeness, when in doubt (even at 99.9%) you don't bragg around.

However regarding the same politeness and fairness, you could have quote my full post intead of lecturing me on the effects of the AGM 114.

I may sound rude and cranky, but it's almost 11 PM and I've forgotten my gloves. Sorry.

Likvid
06-29-2008, 03:27 PM
However regarding the same politeness and fairness, you could have quote my full post intead of lecturing me on the effects of the AGM 114.
I may sound rude and cranky, but it's almost 11 PM and I've forgotten my gloves. Sorry.
Hmm.. maybe I saw your avatar in dictionary next to word "overacting" or maybe "arrogance". Not sure which one.

I don't see point in qouting entire post, if I react only to one sentence.
I rather let pointless quoting of unrelated parts to you. You have obviously experience with that.

enforcer
06-29-2008, 04:29 PM
http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/1162/126735725335de9e9512oot7dotjpg


Destroyed german tanks WWII

http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/7028/326035419b34aaa5785ost8dotjpg

http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/2797/326033875f20eaa0c22opw6dotjpg

http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/4438/3260338745aea0e9261oyw7dotjpg

Fade
06-29-2008, 04:34 PM
http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/1162/126735725335de9e9512oot7dotjpg



That looks like the fake destroyed Merkava from Pallywood :)

enforcer
06-29-2008, 05:03 PM
That looks like the fake destroyed Merkava from Pallywood :)

It is not autehentic.On the picture is Russian T-55 tank made to look as Israel Merkava tank (exhibition in Dahir,Beirut)

That's pic is real destroyed Merkava.....
http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/9228/22236136194ac516968doku4dotjpg

Snoshi
06-29-2008, 05:08 PM
It is not autehentic.On the picture is Russian T-55 tank made to look as Israel Merkava tank (exhibition in Dahir,Beirut)
So why did you post it?

That's pic is real destroyed Merkava.....

LOL no its not. Do you even know how Merkava looks? And that Magach was not even damaged by enemy fire

enforcer
06-29-2008, 05:33 PM
LOL no its not. Do you even know how Merkava looks? And that Magach was not even damaged by enemy fire

so what.....Magach or Merkava - it's destroyed