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Sierra
05-21-2004, 07:04 PM
I noticed the Delta Force interogation site post earlier. Well, it has been confirmed that we have it. But who cares! They kill us and torture us but its ok for them to do it but if it happens to us, we are on the giving end, not the recieving end, its some big ****in deal! WHY? ARGHHHH! It aggrivates me so much. Well, anyways heres the news article.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/05/21/iraq.main/index.html


BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- As hundreds of detainees were released from Abu Ghraib prison outside Baghdad, a senior U.S. official Friday confirmed that a previously undisclosed U.S. military interrogation facility at or near Baghdad International Airport does indeed exist.

The official said the site was run in accordance with the Geneva Conventions and all detainees were afforded their rights under that international document.

"That's not to say somebody didn't get their head dunked in the water," he said.

U.S. Special Forces participated in running the site, he added.

Two other intelligence experts have confirmed the existence of a secret interrogation facility as well.

It is not clear if this facility is still being used, the senior official said.

Iraqis interrogated at the site were in a broad category of "more senior than the average security detainee," but none were in the deck of cards that depicted the most senior members of Saddam Hussein's regime, he said.

Insurgents and suspected terrorists were among those questioned at the facility, he added.

The existence of such a facility has long been rumored and has been the subject of recent media reports. NBC News on Thursday reported the existence of the site and that Iraqis were abused there.

Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt, the coalition spokesman in Baghdad, Friday denied the NBC report's claims of abusive interrogation techniques being used at the site, saying that "any suggestion that torture is used is false and offensive."

He also added that "coalition forces inside Iraq adhere to the Geneva Conventions in the conduct of detention and interrogation operations."

Kimmitt admitted, however, that the NBC report "revealed specific operational locations," in the first direct confirmation of the site's existence.
Two held in Berg's case

Also Friday, a senior military official with the U.S.-led coalition said forces had apprehended four people, then released two of them, in connection with the beheading of American civilian Nicholas Berg. (Full story)

The other two could be released after further questioning, the official said, providing no other details.

Berg's decapitation was videotaped, and the video was posted on a Web site linked to al Qaeda. His body was found this month in Baghdad.
Abu Ghraib releases

Busloads of Iraqi prisoners Friday left Abu Ghraib prison as part of a planned release, a U.S.-led coalition official said.

Kimmitt said 454 inmates left Friday and 394 are to be released next Friday.

The new U.S. commander of detention operations in Iraq, Maj. Gen. Geoffrey Miller, said he plans to reduce the number of prisoners in Abu Ghraib to about 2,500, according to a coalition spokesman.

Miller took over for Brig. Gen. Janis Karpinski, who was relieved her of duty January 17, a day after the coalition military announced an investigation into allegations of abuse in the prison.

The spokesman said the review board meets daily to determine which prisoners are eligible for release.

Since February, about 3,000 Iraqis have been recommended for release and are going through the process.
Prisoner deaths investigated

The prisoner release comes as more photographs surface apparently depicting U.S. soldiers abusing Iraqi prisoners at Abu Ghraib. Some of the images show soldiers posing with an Iraqi corpse, while the soldiers smile and give a thumbs-up to the camera.

Photos of U.S. troops mistreating naked, hooded prisoners at Abu Ghraib, near Baghdad, surfaced in April and have led to outrage, condemnations and hearings in Washington.

The Army's Criminal Investigation Command (CID) is trying to identify additional soldiers and personnel seen in the photos and videos of abuse of Iraqi prisoners, military officials said Friday.

As many as half a dozen new investigations into deaths of Iraqis in custody have been opened by the Army CID in recent days, a military official confirmed. While at least one death is believed to be from a natural cause, typhoid, others "may be suspicious," according to the official.

Meanwhile, the CIA is investigating three cases of prisoner deaths during interrogations in Iraq and Afghanistan.(Full story)

The Army has been investigating the abuses since January. Seven soldiers -- all members of an Army reserve military police company -- have been charged in the case, and six officers have received career-ending reprimands.

One soldier, Spc. Jeremy Sivits, pleaded guilty in a court-martial Wednesday in Baghdad and was sentenced to a year's confinement.

Interrogation techniques approved by top generals in the Iraq war were humane and followed the Geneva Conventions, Gen. Richard Myers, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said Friday. Myers responded to reporters' questions after appearing before the House Armed Services Committee.
Other developments

# U.S. troops battling insurgents in Iraq are believed to have killed more than two dozen members of a radical cleric Muqtada al-Sadr's militia in the last 24 hours, U.S. military sources said. Suspected fighters of the Mehdi army attacked U.S. forces in Najaf, slightly wounding three soldiers. Fighting also was under way Friday between coalition forces and insurgents in Karbala. Five Iraqis died and 10 others were wounded, a hospital official said. (Full story)

# An Iraqi leader and former Pentagon ally, Ahmed Chalabi, says his nation's governing council will hold an emergency meeting Friday in response to a raid on his Baghdad compound by U.S. forces and Iraqi troops. Exiled opposition leader Chalabi, who was one of the Pentagon's closest allies for years, alleges former members of Saddam's Baathist Party raided his compound Thursday with coalition backing. (Full story)

# Acting on Spanish Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero's campaign promise, Spanish troops have completed their withdrawal from Iraq, according to the country's Defense Ministry. The Spanish troops were based at Diwaniya in south-central Iraq. There were 1,430 Spanish troops in Iraq at the time Rodriguez Zapatero officially announced in April that the forces would be pulled out.

# An Al-Jazeera employee died early Friday covering the fighting in that holy city of Karbala, the Arabic-language TV news channel said. Rashid Hamid Wali was killed atop a hotel shortly after midnight by a bullet that struck him, the network said. Al-Jazeera has asked the U.S. military for an investigation. The Coalition Press Information Center in Baghdad said it was checking into the report.

Midav
05-21-2004, 07:35 PM
My own personal view on this:

If a person is suspect, and only suspect, I don't support torture.

If a person is a uniformed combatant and captured, I don't support torture.

If a person is an un-uniformed combatant, all is fair game.

Same applies with terrorists.

This isn't the same conventional wars we had in the past.

Sometimes you'll just have to get dirty. A good example would be to take al-Zarqawi and throw his ass into a pit of starved pigs.

budanski
05-21-2004, 07:40 PM
I find it ridiculously hypocritic for arab countries to demand an apology for Abu Ghairib. Bush apologizing the King of Jordan especially. In the arab world, not only would you be forced to wear women's underwear on your head, but it'll also be headless.

Seiyuuki
05-21-2004, 07:50 PM
If a person is an un-uniformed combatant, all is fair game.

This is true according to the Geneva convention and some other conventions pertaining to the matter of war.

Uncle Sam
05-21-2004, 08:36 PM
This is all BS!!! I guess it's not so "secret" now! These people aren't there in these prisons for jaywalking!

Apologize this...
http://www.xbox-connection.com/hostedimages/middlef.jpg

usa320
05-21-2004, 09:53 PM
Am i the only one who thinks that the American press is doing more damage to the war effort than iraqi fighters?

Sierra
05-21-2004, 09:57 PM
Am i the only one who thinks that the American press is doing more damage to the war effort than iraqi fighters?I aggree with you 100%! The press is terrible.

wyrm_142
05-21-2004, 09:59 PM
Let's bring the press upto Fairchild AFB, WA where the USAF sends aircrew, PJ's CCT, Intel, etc thru surivial school...

Common themes: wearing a hood, no sleep, cold water, small bamboo cages - and that is what we do to our own dudes.

Just my thoughts.

Mr Gently Benevolent
05-22-2004, 02:05 AM
Let's bring the press upto Fairchild AFB, WA where the USAF sends aircrew, PJ's CCT, Intel, etc thru surivial school...

Common themes: wearing a hood, no sleep, cold water, small bamboo cages - and that is what we do to our own dudes.

Just my thoughts.
Gee thats cruel do you also make them wank over each other or maybe give them an anal shanking with a brush shaft.

I noticed the Delta Force interogation site post earlier. Well, it has been confirmed that we have it. But who cares! They kill us and torture us but its ok for them to do it but if it happens to us, we are on the giving end, not the recieving end, its some big f*** deal! WHY? ARGHHHH! It aggrivates me so much.
So Sierra when was the last time a US combatant was tortured in Iraq I for one have seen no real reason to torture these prisoners who were detained for alleged crimes ranging from theft to insurgency but I guess you good ole boys think its all a bit of fun don't ya.

This is all BS!!! I guess it's not so "secret" now! These people aren't there in these prisons for jaywalking!
Most of these prisoners were awaiting interrogation not trial and considering 300 hundred have been released in the last 2 weeks they are not all what one would call hard core insurgents.

Secret Squirrel
05-22-2004, 02:13 AM
If a person is an un-uniformed combatant, all is fair game.

This is true according to the Geneva convention and some other conventions pertaining to the matter of war.

what are you talking about? Maybe you should have another look at the GC...

Article 45.-Protection of persons who have taken part in hostilities

1. A person who takes part in hostilities and falls into the power of an adverse Party shall be presumed to be a prisoner of war, and therefore shall be protected by the Third Convention, if he claims the status of prisoner of war, or if he appears to be entitled to such status, or if the Party on which he depends claims such status on his behalf by notification to the detaining Power or to the Protecting Power. Should any doubt arise as to whether any such person is entitled to the status of prisoner of war, he shall continue to have such status and, therefore, to be protected by the Third Convention and this Protocol until such time as his status has been determined by a competent tribunal.

Article 44.-Combatants and prisoners of war

3. In order to promote the protection of the civilian population from the effects of hostilities, combatants are obliged to distinguish themselves from the civilian population while they are engaged in an attack or in a military operation preparatory to an attack. Recognizing, however, that there are situations in armed conflicts where, owing to the nature of the hostilities an armed combatant cannot so distinguish himself, he shall retain his status as a combatant, provided that, in such situations, he carries his arms openly:

(a) During each military engagement, and

(b) During such time as he is visible to the adversary while he is engaged in a military deployment preceding the launching of an attack in which he is to participate.

Mr Gently Benevolent
05-22-2004, 02:44 AM
Although some here blame the media for coverage of the acts of alleged abuse and abuse of Iraqi prisoners it would seem most of the fuel that stokes their speculation comes direct from the Pentegon.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3737787.stm


US extends custody deaths probe

At least 37 people have died in US custody in Iraq and Afghanistan, Pentagon officials admitted on Friday.

While some have been classified as deaths from natural or undetermined causes, 10 are classed as homicides.

Several of those under investigation were found to have occurred before or during interrogation sessions.

At least two of the deaths occurred at Abu Ghraib, the Baghdad prison where US soldiers have been accused of beating and humiliating Iraqi inmates.

US defence department sources said some cases had been fully investigated, but others are still pending.

Meanwhile, the US Department of Justice has announced that it has opened the first criminal investigation of a civilian contractor for alleged mistreatment of prisoners in Iraq.

Congress briefed

Two weeks ago the US announced it had launched investigations into 25 deaths since December 2002.

On Friday officials said a further eight cases were now being investigated - making 33 - but that some of those included multiple deaths, involving 37 victims in all.

Of these, 32 died in Iraq, and the remaining five in Afghanistan.

Some of the deaths date back as far as August 2002.

A Pentagon spokesman said members of the US Congress had been briefed on all 33 criminal investigations, almost all relating to deaths inside American-run detention facilities.

Almost half had been declared due to natural causes or undetermined cause, and eight classified as justifiable homicide.

But nine remained under active investigation, including eight seen as homicides involving assaults on detainees before or during interrogation sessions.

Most of the unresolved cases happened in Iraq - though some were in Afghanistan.

Forced off bridge

Some of the deaths took place outside detention centres. In two cases, the US military said, captives had been shot as they lunged either for a weapon or a US soldier.

In another, an Iraqi drowned after he was forced off a bridge by a US soldier.

Other causes of death given include:

• multiple gunshot wounds with complications

• blunt force injuries and asphyxia

• blunt force injuries complicated by compromised respiration

• strangulation

• plumonary embolism due to blunt force injury to the legs

When the previous cases were announced two weeks ago, two were declared to have been homicide.

An Army official said a soldier had been convicted of using excessive force when he shot dead a prisoner who was throwing stones at him.

He was thrown out of the army but did not go to jail.

The other murder was committed by a private contractor who worked for the CIA, the official said.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40183000/jpg/_40183435_beating_ap.jpg

One?
05-22-2004, 07:39 AM
well then don't complain that sadr is fighting the US, and don't complain if more US soldeirs are being killed. These actions are causing reactions, and if you wanna say "torture those bastards" etc.. then expect a harsh outcome.


No im not saying kill more americans. But when you want to torture someone expect him/her to fight back.

Ichhabe
05-22-2004, 08:21 AM
I find it ridiculously hypocritic for arab countries to demand an apology for Abu Ghairib. Bush apologizing the King of Jordan especially. In the arab world, not only would you be forced to wear women's underwear on your head, but it'll also be headless.

*checking outside for flying pigs* I be damned!!! There we actually agree budanski. I hope that the next time President Bush meet the the king of saudi arabia he will yank his beard and give him a knee, hard knee in the nut sack.

That the Arabs denand an appology makes me laugh out so loud that I can't even explain. I am actually out of words.

Uncle Sam
05-22-2004, 09:06 AM
This is all BS!!! I guess it's not so "secret" now! These people aren't there in these prisons for jaywalking!
Most of these prisoners were awaiting interrogation not trial and considering 300 hundred have been released in the last 2 weeks they are not all what one would call hard core insurgents.

Considering you are referring to Abu Gharib, and I was referring to the prison in this article, I suggest you re-think your answer.