Turkey has adopted the HK416

[alvarhanso]

Just read about it today.....

01.15.2008: Turkey has adopted the HK416 and AG416 as new service rifle, replacing aging G3. Quantities not revealed as of yet. Significant purchase for HK. No word either on whether Turkish production facility to be set up or if entire order fulfilled from Oberndorf.

http://www.hkpro.com/

Double checked it on Wiki.....

"Turkish Army has purchased 9,000 units of the domestically produced variant, MKE Mehmetcik-1 for trials"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler_%26_Koch_HK416

There is no info about it on the official HK web site....Anybody!?

[DID]

so Norway, (US,Netherland&Taiwan for some special forces) and now Turkey? nice this gun is going to became famous

[Hispeed1]

Cool-great weapon systems.

[Frost]

awesome :-D :woot:
This is a big boost for the HK416. Very good news for HK and VERY good news for turkey. Congretulations with your new weapons!!!

[wiking]

Good choice. Looks like HK has a winner with the 416

[kamaz]

anyone fire this puppy? looks like a smooth mechanism.

[Winger]

anyone fire this puppy? looks like a smooth mechanism.

Nevermind the HK416. I want the HK417.

[Noble713]

Turkey has adopted the HK416 and AG416 as new service rifle, replacing aging G3. Quantities not revealed as of yet. Significant purchase for HK.

What happens to all the old G3s? I'm sure there is still a market for such weapons.

[wiking]

What happens to all the old G3s? I'm sure there is still a market for such weapons.

I'll take two. Preferably the Kongsberg made ones please.

[saladin]

*sigh*
I can't believe these wiki guys. Here is the story so far.

In the latest Defense Industry Committee meeting, it was decided that Turkish Undersecretariat for Defense Industries is assigned the task for selecting, designing, developing a new 5.56mm gun.

Meanwhile, main Turkish governmental arms company, announced that they developed a new 5.56mm gun. It turned out that it was basically HK-416.

There is neither official selection, nor 9000 orders yet.

[JVeld]

I love this rifle ......

http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/4927/ordhk416labeledlgyz4.jpg

[Jaeger07]

*sigh*
I can't believe these wiki guys. Here is the story so far.

In the latest Defense Industry Committee meeting, it was decided that Turkish Undersecretariat for Defense Industries is assigned the task for selecting, designing, developing a new 5.56mm gun.

Meanwhile, main Turkish governmental arms company, announced that they developed a new 5.56mm gun. It turned out that it was basically HK-416.

There is neither official selection, nor 9000 orders yet.

HKpro.com reports that Turkey has adopted the HK416.
That site has been reliable when it comes to HK-news in the past...

Anyone have any official statements, turkish MoD or something?

[Hydro]

anyone fire this puppy? looks like a smooth mechanism.


Feels like any other military rifle, goes bang, hole appears where you want it. I personally don't like the trigger, I'd prefer a two-stage SA80 style trigger with some take up, but that's personal preference. Fairly light, even with all the rails, AR15 ergonomics are almost unfaultable. 10.5 carbine is as loud as the 16 inch HK417. A nice boom. Only range shot one, can't comment on inherent reliability.

[Soldat Inconnu]

Looks like it's Turkish design HK416 lookalike.

http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/land-forces/42160-turkey-unveils-new-indigenous-rifles-land-forces.html

[Mister_manji]

I love this rifle ......

http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/4927/ordhk416labeledlgyz4.jpg
Is there a hi-res version of the small operators pic in the upper corner? Ive only seen two pics of the 416 in combat, plus a pile of 1st SFG 10" ones in a photo from SOCNET.

[DeltaWhisky58]

Looks like it's Turkish design HK416 lookalike.

http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/land-forces/42160-turkey-unveils-new-indigenous-rifles-land-forces.html

It's not a Turkish design. Perhaps license-build in Turkey, but Heckler und Koch is a German company therefore German design regardless of where it is produced.

[Soldat Inconnu]

Mehmetcik-1 (With some other Turkish made Snipers etc)
http://www.yenisafak.com.tr/resim/site/mehmetcik1.jpg



MKEK of Turkey, has stated that there has been cooperation with H&K (The German company which manufactures the HK-416) regarding the ergonomics of the rifle design. The bolts, mechanism etc are a Turkish design.

[velvet-cream]

Whoever that "Khan Han" guy is on the other website is a knob and doesn't know what he's talking about.

[DeltaWhisky58]

One can only assume that the products illustrated are only in the prototype stage as there is no mention of either on the MKEK website (http://www.mkek.gov.tr/english/foUrunListesi.aspx?iKodUrunKategorisi=107).

I would have thought it doubtful that MKEK would tool up solely for a speculative evaluation batch of 9,000 weapons.

Bearing in mind the newsflash on HKPRO was only dated yesterday and there has been noting so far from H&K themselves, I'd say that it's early days yet.

[DeltaWhisky58]

Whoever that "Khan Han" guy is on the other website is a knob and doesn't know what he's talking about.

And what is the relevance of this utterly pointless post to this thread? Unless your comments are relevant, please keep them to yourself.

[velvet-cream]

Point taken about the above.
I noticed Soldat Inconnu quoted "Khan Han" with
MKEK of Turkey, has stated that there has been cooperation with H&K (The German company which manufactures the HK-416) regarding the ergonomics of the rifle design. The bolts, mechanism etc are a Turkish design. I was just trying to make the point that "Khan Han's" quote lacks credibility, as some of his other posts on that subject matter were absolute rubbish. (like comparing a picatinny rail VS a picatinny rail with cover as a "difference" between the HK 416 and the Turkish rifle)

I looked around the HK and MKEK website for info about Turkey adopting the 416, but haven't found anything. Back to the topic, it looks like MKEK has been producing HK type weapons for a while. Here's a line up.

http://www.mkek.gov.tr/english/foUretimYerleri.aspx?iKodUretimYeri=13

Edit: Sorry for repeating the bit about MKEK, didn't see it above

[m.i.t]

finally good news for Turkish army....Licenced or not licenced perfect choice......

Also current production target is over 750,000..(G3A3 /A4 Had been produced About 850.000 pieces..)

[m.i.t]

Nevermind the HK416. I want the HK417.

mate...308 win age had been over...223 rem is for much better for Turkish army ...also all SF AND CT units use 223 rem systems...


What happens to all the old G3s? I'm sure there is still a market for such weapons.

l think G3s will be keeped in depots atleast 15 years...also purchase is an option..

[alvarhanso]

Found a video on CNN Turk...

http://www.cnnturk.com/VIDEO/index.asp?vid=3162

And a Turkish news site with some pics from the presentation....

http://www.haberturk.com/galeri.asp?src=6&id=50091

[spale]

Found a video on CNN Turk...

http://www.cnnturk.com/VIDEO/index.asp?vid=3162

And a Turkish news site with some pics from the presentation....

http://www.haberturk.com/galeri.asp?src=6&id=50091

I sincerely hope that guy in the suit is not the factory's representative or something.

Journalist OK, you can't blame him for not knowing, but the other guy (if he is in any way connected to firearms manufacture or use); the first thing they both did is got their trigger fingers in action.

I know, I know its an empty gun and all but it shouldn't be done in any case.

[Jaeger07]

MKEK of Turkey, has stated that there has been cooperation with H&K (The German company which manufactures the HK-416) regarding the ergonomics of the rifle design. The bolts, mechanism etc are a Turkish design.


Ok, so let me get this straight: It's not an actual HK416? It's infact a Turkish weapon (lock, barrel, all internal stuff), dressed up as an HK416 by HK germany?

Pardon me but: WTF? :|

[alvarhanso]

I sincerely hope that guy in the suit is not the factory's representative or something.

Journalist OK, you can't blame him for not knowing, but the other guy (if he is in any way connected to firearms manufacture or use); the first thing they both did is got their trigger fingers in action.

I know, I know its an empty gun and all but it shouldn't be done in any case.

Yeah, i know what you mean.... The guy in the suit is the Turkish minister of defence Vecdi Gonul.

[alvarhanso]

Ok, so let me get this straight: It's not an actual HK416? It's infact a Turkish weapon (lock, barrel, all internal stuff), dressed up as an HK416 by HK germany?

Pardon me but: WTF? :|

As far as i can see... it's definitely a HK416 but made in Turkey's MKEK plant (notice the side of the rifle in the video), and renamed Mehmetcik-1.

[DeltaWhisky58]

If Turkey adopts the HK416 - face it, there's no official confirmation from either party - it will be either a straight forward H&K produced weapon, or the same license produced by MKEK in just the same way as they already produce other H&K products (G3, MP5, HK33 etc.) under license.

[m.i.t]

http://www.yenisafak.com.tr/resim/site/mehmetcik1.jpg
http://www.cnnturk.com/VIDEO/index.asp?vid=3162

video translation...(not my opinion)
those are demo rifles and wholy produced in MKEK(scopes and launcher may be purchased)... those rifle
100 % are Turkish designed...also it is still project..Turkish army havent decided yet...


l sended some e-mails to MKEK for more information about rifles...

[Albatross]

http://www.yenisafak.com.tr/resim/site/mehmetcik1.jpg
http://www.cnnturk.com/VIDEO/index.asp?vid=3162

video translation...(not my opinion)
those are demo rifles and wholy produced in MKEK(scopes and launcher may be purchased)... those rifle
100 % are Turkish designed...also it is still project..Turkish army havent decided yet...

l sended some e-mails to MKEK for more information about rifles...

What is that sniper rifle?

[m.i.t]

that sniper rifle is 7,62 mm JNF-90 ...its still prototype...

http://www.tskhaber.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1966

TRASLATİON....

"DEfence minister V.Gonul said :Turksih soldier will use Turkish made and designed rifles such as MEHMETCİK-1 and JNF -90 SNıPER rifles...MKEK had started to produce original Turkish design prototypes..We dont pay money for licence of new rifles...Those weapons will be tested by TAF (Turkish armed forces)..İf army approves serial production of new weapons will be started.."

[Ulytau]

Still we waiting offical explanation from MKEK too about this babies..Mit right if i remember true still waiting answer from Turkish Armed Forces they gonna try at different climate i think.Snipers are okay and MKE gonna start to give to ''JANDARMA'' forces..Also a Turkish Business ''SARSILMAZ'' signed pact with Colt for produce m4a1..It is looking like now they taking it seriously cause Army interest to change all of G3s..
@Albatross MKEK callin it JNF-90 :)

[m.i.t]

mate..."sarsilmaz " busted ..if army decided to get mehmetcik-1 COLT which signed a deal sarsilmaz armory for m4 rifles has no chance for army....

[Ulytau]

Yeah mate but you know special forces will use m4a1 i seen at SARSILMAZs main page they gonna produce soon also they have chance for selling too..It will be good for experience and we can modify.. :DPS : If i know true so many people sended mail to MKEK if they dont answer most of people who care about military will take over their factory :P

[Roanoke]

This is Khan Han's unedeniable proof that MKEK 1 does not equal HK 416.

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/4593/85365476ty2.jpg

[velvet-cream]

This is Khan Han's unedeniable proof that MKEK 1 does not equal HK 416.

He forgot the foregrip under the GL.

I noticed on the MKEK site that they use HK names for their copies of HK weapons. I wonder why the Turks aren't using that here with the Mehmetcik-1.

[Seraphim]

This is Khan Han's unedeniable proof that MKEK 1 does not equal HK 416.

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/4593/85365476ty2.jpg

Please tell me your kidding.

[DeltaWhisky58]

This topic is heading in the direction of being locked if you guys don't stop bitching and get back on topic which is that of Turkey supposeldy buying ther HK416.

[velvet-cream]

[IMG]
video translation...(not my opinion)
those are demo rifles and wholy produced in MKEK(scopes and launcher may be purchased)... those rifle
100 % are Turkish designed...also it is still project..Turkish army havent decided yet...


l sended some e-mails to MKEK for more information about rifles...

Hey. I'm not doubting you personally, but did you do the translation yourself or did someone else do it. The reason I ask is because meanings may be lost/confused during translation - ie, they may mean "100% Turkish built" instead of "100% Turkish designed".

If you're Turkish, then I'll assume you translated it properly. Please keep us informed on what MKEK says.

[ZoneOne]

All I know is that I am more then willing to take any of the weapons that they decide "not to keep" as I'd be happy to give them a loving and caring home.

There is no such thing as a "reject" weapon in my eyes.

;-)

[SMGLee]

This is Khan Han's unedeniable proof that MKEK 1 does not equal HK 416.

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/4593/85365476ty2.jpg


I really hope you are kidding!!

HKPro gets his sources directly from HK, he is also an HK ITD adjunct instructor. so he has all the official access....

Turkey will adapt the 416, which will be a great improvement to the aging G3....

[m.i.t]

Hey. I'm not doubting you personally, but did you do the translation yourself or did someone else do it. The reason I ask is because meanings may be lost/confused during translation - ie, they may mean "100% Turkish built" instead of "100% Turkish designed".

If you're Turkish, then I'll assume you translated it properly. Please keep us informed on what MKEK says.

mate..
my translation was true....also you have missed my 2.last post...

http://www.tskhaber.net/index.php?op...k=view&id=1966 (http://www.tskhaber.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1966)

TRANSLATİON....( NOT MY OPINION)

"DEfence minister V.Gonul said :Turksih soldier will use Turkish made and designed rifles such as MEHMETCİK-1 and JNF -90 SNıPER rifles...MKEK had started to produce original Turkish design prototypes..We dont pay money for licence of new rifles...Those weapons will be tested by TAF (Turkish armed forces)..İf army approves serial production of new weapons will be started.."

My opinion:this is licenced copy or modificated of HK rifles...But l should say there alot of AR-15 based systems in the world.. Such as Knights armory rifles , diemaco rifles etc..l remember that a Taiwan and an İtalian companies produces similiar AR-15 based rifles...

[DeltaWhisky58]

M.I.T. I think you are missing something in the translation. Stop arguing a point when the full story is not yet known. You are making far too many assumptions.

I will close this topic if I have to post again.

[m.i.t]

ok mate...if l have new official information l will post it...

[alvarhanso]

I found some pics on the official MKEK site....

http://www.mkek.gov.tr/foHaberler.aspx?iKodHaber=58

[4X4Driver]

Also a Turkish Business ''SARSILMAZ'' signed pact with Colt for produce m4a1..

The production of Colt m4a1 by Sarsilmaz was for export purposes to third countries only..not for the use of Turkish Army.

[DeltaWhisky58]

This is Khan Han's unedeniable proof that MKEK 1 does not equal HK 416.

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/4593/85365476ty2.jpg

I think you seriously need to take a look at the latest HK416 pix (http://www.heckler-koch.de/HKWebText/detailProd/1928/337/4/19) on the H&K website. That guy is holding up what is effectively an HK416 - if produced in Turkey it is a direct license-built copy. Thing such as sights, stock etc. vary.

[California Joe]

Seriously? WTF? I can buy any of those accessories on the net. The operating system and the internals are what constitutes whether it's design is HK or not. For f*ckssakes.

[DeltaWhisky58]

Seriously? WTF? I can buy any of those accessories on the net. The operating system and the internals are what constitutes whether it's design is HK or not. For f*ckssakes.

Exactly - you ought to manage the factory for them CJ! ;-) woot

[Andyy]

This is Khan Han's unedeniable proof that MKEK 1 does not equal HK 416.

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/4593/85365476ty2.jpg
what you don't understand about customizing, prototypes etc ?
Dutch KCT is already fielding them
http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o6/110022558844/12890223-550px.jpg?t=1200695300
and the 417 :D
http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o6/110022558844/sharpshooter.jpg?t=1200695338

[REMOV]

Someone missed the new buttstock for the HK416 assault rifle? ;)

http://s62.photobucket.com/albums/h90/REMOV/HK416/th__HK416D10RS_01.jpg (http://s62.photobucket.com/albums/h90/REMOV/HK416/_HK416D10RS_01.jpg)

http://s62.photobucket.com/albums/h90/REMOV/Inne/th__HK_03.jpg (http://s62.photobucket.com/albums/h90/REMOV/Inne/_HK_03.jpg)
Tested by REMOV in 2007 p-)

[velvet-cream]

This is Khan Han's unedeniable proof that MKEK 1 does not equal HK 416.

what you don't understand about customizing, prototypes etc ?
Dutch KCT is already fielding them


I think Roanoke knows that the hk 416 can be customised, just like it's M4/M16 cousin. He was just pointing out someone else's faulty assumption/proof.

Well since there are official photos on the MKEK site, we can confirm there is some truth to the rumours that Turkey may be adopting it. It's a pity it's not on the English version of the website.

[alvarhanso]

http://www.yenisafak.com.tr/resim/site/mehmetcik1.jpg[/quote]

Is that a Zeiss Diavari on the sniper rifle?

[DeltaWhisky58]

http://www.yenisafak.com.tr/resim/site/mehmetcik1.jpg

Is that a Zeiss Diavari on the sniper rifle?[/quote]

Difficult to tell, could be one of a number of the better German/Austrian optics - Zeiss/S&B/Kahles/Swarowski etc. - difficult without the usual branded turret caps.

[Ana]

anyone fire this puppy? looks like a smooth mechanism.

me. personally I like more G36. in my oppinion, the recoil of G36 is much lighter.

[Ana]

Just read about it today.....

01.15.2008: Turkey has adopted the HK416 and AG416 as new service rifle, replacing aging G3. Quantities not revealed as of yet. Significant purchase for HK. No word either on whether Turkish production facility to be set up or if entire order fulfilled from Oberndorf.

http://www.hkpro.com/

Double checked it on Wiki.....

"Turkish Army has purchased 9,000 units of the domestically produced variant, MKE Mehmetcik-1 for trials"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler_%26_Koch_HK416

There is no info about it on the official HK web site....Anybody!?

forget that HK will gie anymore turkery licence to do something.. I think they will have to buy 100% in Germany

[theholeinthedonut]

me. personally I like more G36. in my oppinion, the recoil of G36 is much lighter.

hole is a sad panda now!http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w310/theholeinthedonut/Alpin%20truppen/divers/iconyeswq4.gif

[muttbutt]

hole is a sad panda now!http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w310/theholeinthedonut/Alpin%20truppen/divers/iconyeswq4.gif
By the mear invocation of the noddy emoticon, this thread has ended

[Ana]

hole is a sad panda now!http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w310/theholeinthedonut/Alpin%20truppen/divers/iconyeswq4.gif


you don't trust me that I have tried????

[GoSka37]

Announcement:

My pants have now adopted the HK416.

End of Announcement. http://www.***********.com/pictures/smilies/yes.gif

[Ana]

Announcement:

My pants have now adopted the HK416.

End of Announcement. http://www.***********.com/pictures/smilies/yes.gif

the rear??? well....good for u...

[GoSka37]

the rear??? well....good for u...

Front and rear. Now protected with HK416. I hear my leg may adopt the 417.

[Andreas]

The best one is the 418....

[GoSka37]

The best one is the 418....

It's super l337 and extra D3lt@.

[KoTeMoRe]

I hope they come with TCH.

[Andreas]

It's super l337 and extra D3lt@.

That is teh truth, and the cake is a lie...

[GoSka37]

That is teh truth, and the cake is a lie...

"I wonder if there's cake"

[KoTeMoRe]

http://www.interet-general.info/IMG/Trygve-Lie-1.jpg

[saladin]

An interesting development, a Turkish forumer at trmilitary (isbara) asked MKEK about the weapon using Turkish Information Freedom Act. The official response states that the weapon is going to be produced with 100% local resources and there is not going to be any know-how transfer, patent loyalties, production permissions from other countries and no loyalties are going to be paid.

edit: removed accidentally included Turkish statement.

[Red Hippo]

Ah! They are lucky. I hear great things about the HK 416

[LaoSexMachine]

An interesting development, a Turkish forumer at trmilitary (isbara) asked MKEK about the weapon using Turkish Information Freedom Act. The official response states that the weapon is going to be produced with 100% local resources and there is not going to be any know-how transfer, patent loyalties, production permissions from other countries and no loyalties are going to be paid.

Savunma Sanayi İcra Komitesi kararında açıkça belirttiği gibi %100 Milli imkanlarla üretilecek bir silah olduğu için, hiçbir ülkeden Know-how,lisans,patent,faydalı model ve üretim müsaadeleri gibi izin alınmayacak ve herhangi bir bedel ödenmeyecektir.


How could that be if they are making an HK designed weapon?

[SMGLee]

The best one is the 418....


6.8? hmmm.... I've seen one of the only three in US.

[flanker7]

Can you rpovide a photo SMG?

[REMOV]

You know, in my opinion there aren't any significant external differences between HK416 and HK418, exept - maybe, but just maybe - magazine p-)

[binzer]

I think you seriously need to take a look at the latest HK416 pix (http://www.heckler-koch.de/HKWebText/detailProd/1928/337/4/19) on the H&K website. That guy is holding up what is effectively an HK416 - if produced in Turkey it is a direct license-built copy. Thing such as sights, stock etc. vary.

OK heres the deal to end the big argument in this thread that i can see the seniour members and moderators are getting annoyed with and so am i!!

I am a fan of the 416 so i did some research and found out this much:

1)The Turkish version is made of new metal, inter alia to be exact.
2)It is not made under license for all the people winging about license this license that blaa blaa waaa waa lol...It is an improved version of the 416 pattern firearm(like the way the 416 is an improved m4, but the gap between M4 and 416 is much larger lmao)
3) So, according to my sources, it is made of a different material and is upgraded, uses a different name, therefore, in my opinion, HK are perfectly fine with the issue(+ MKE is a very big customer) and obviously shared huge amounts of info(eg. blueprints hehe) with MKE.

And before people start demanding my sources, here is my main one, wikipedia(im sure everybody agrees they are reliable)
''http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mehmet%C3%A7ik_1''

[D.E. Watters]

OK heres the deal to end the big argument in this thread that i can see the seniour members and moderators are getting annoyed with and so am i!!

IAnd before people start demanding my sources, here is my main one, wikipedia(im sure everybody agrees they are reliable)
''http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mehmet%C3%A7ik_1''

Actually, since anyone can post to Wikipedia, there really isn't any way to know whether the author is correct or not. Note that the original author may be this Khan Han fellow, who posted the silly photo comparison that supposedly shows the "differences" between the two rifles.

[ed316]

OK heres the deal to end the big argument in this thread that i can see the seniour members and moderators are getting annoyed with and so am i!!

I am a fan of the 416 so i did some research and found out this much:

1)The Turkish version is made of new metal, inter alia to be exact.
2)It is not made under license for all the people winging about license this license that blaa blaa waaa waa lol...It is an improved version of the 416 pattern firearm(like the way the 416 is an improved m4, but the gap between M4 and 416 is much larger lmao)
3) So, according to my sources, it is made of a different material and is upgraded, uses a different name, therefore, in my opinion, HK are perfectly fine with the issue(+ MKE is a very big customer) and obviously shared huge amounts of info(eg. blueprints hehe) with MKE.

And before people start demanding my sources, here is my main one, wikipedia(im sure everybody agrees they are reliable)
''http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mehmet%C3%A7ik_1''

If it doesn't go into detail about the difference that makes it not a 416 I call BS.

"Oh look they use a different alloy"
"Gosh, it's so different".

[binzer]

Actually, since anyone can post to Wikipedia, there really isn't any way to know whether the author is correct or not. Note that the original author may be this Khan Han fellow, who posted the silly photo comparison that supposedly shows the "differences" between the two rifles.

yeah you fellas are right i didnt know people could interfere with wiki, i withdraw my satement lol...yeah i noticed the 417 as the pic for a 416 lol thought it was a simple mistake, thanks for theheads up, will help in future

[binzer]

If it doesn't go into detail about the difference that makes it not a 416 I call BS.

"Oh look they use a different alloy"
"Gosh, it's so different".

there is'nt differences to go into detail about, acccording to the blokes on hkpro MKE made a deal with HK...??? confusing lol

[24601]

http://www.dogfightink.com/HK41612x36.jpg

http://www.dogfightink.com

[m.i.t]

http://www.hkpro.com/417newleft.jpg

this hk 417 from hkpro...
what is that horn sign on the rifle ?also same sign is on the mehmetcik-1...

[Herman the II]

this hk 417 from hkpro...
what is that horn sign on the rifle ?also same sign is on the mehmetcik-1...

What do you mean by "Horn sign"? Where is it located on the rifle?
Trying to help..

[RSone]

I don't get what the big deal is with it being produced by MKEK, who cares. So what if they're gonna make it out of this new super-duper ubar 1337 delt@ metal alloy? it's still going to be a HK416. I checked the wiki for the mehmetcik-1 and it basically copies 3/4 of the 416 wiki.......

[D.E. Watters]

http://www.hkpro.com/417newleft.jpg

this hk 417 from hkpro...
what is that horn sign on the rifle ?also same sign is on the mehmetcik-1...

If I'm not mistaken, it is a Proof Mark from the Ulm Proof House in Germany indicating the individual weapon is safe/free from dangerous manufacturing defects.

[binzer]

I asked one of the turkish welders in the factory i work in to do some research, he said its a deal between HK and MKE, there are no boundaries for the turkish military with this rifle, the can export it or do what ever the hell they want with it, its theirs on paper...il ask him to keep me updated

[LaoSexMachine]

I asked one of the turkish welders in the factory i work in to do some research, he said its a deal between HK and MKE, there are no boundaries for the turkish military with this rifle, the can export it or do what ever the hell they want with it, its theirs on paper...il ask him to keep me updated

a welder told you this? think about it.

[m.i.t]

What do you mean by "Horn sign"? Where is it located on the rifle?
Trying to help..


http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/6826/jyugflyq1.png

this is an image produced with photoshop mehmetcik -1

horn sign can be seen top of the rifle MKE AF ...horn....

[m.i.t]

sorry...repost...

[flanker7]

Answer found here:
http://www.hkpro.com/symbols.htm




The symbol to the right of the date code is a stag horn. It is the symbol of a particular proof house, located in Ulm, Germany. German firearms are sent to proof houses before sale, for inspection and quality control. This is much like a 'UL' listing for American small appliances. There are other proof houses, for example, in Kiel and Hannover, Germany, but HK uses the Ulm proof house exclusively.

[Herman the II]

That sign belongs to the "Beschussamt Ulm"
(http://www.beschussamt-ulm.de/beschussamt/hauptnavigation/startseite/index.php?lvl=1847

Its highly likely that this specific weapon was manufactured by HK and then tested by the "Beschussamt Ulm"(proof house).

Edit: to slow..

[m.i.t]

dankeschön collega :)

also that show us that gun belong to H&K...

[binzer]

[quote=Ezekiel25:17;3016699]a welder told you this? think about it.[/quote

What kinda question is that Ezekiel??? do you have some sorta grudge against welders?? whats wrong you failed to be one?? i dont no about where you live but over here welders spend 3 years in college studying fabrication in one of the best colleges in europe, and ten they do 2 years work as an apprentice before they are qualified, so whatever message you are trying to say(which is obviously a bad one) it doesnt make sense to me...he is turkish, watches turkish tv and speaks turkish, so obviously can do much better research than you or me...plus he is avoiding military service and hates the army so i will believe what he says...

[LaoSexMachine]

[quote=Ezekiel25:17;3016699]a welder told you this? think about it.[/quote

What kinda question is that Ezekiel??? do you have some sorta grudge against welders?? whats wrong you failed to be one?? i dont no about where you live but over here welders spend 3 years in college studying fabrication in one of the best colleges in europe, and ten they do 2 years work as an apprentice before they are qualified, so whatever message you are trying to say(which is obviously a bad one) it doesnt make sense to me...he is turkish, watches turkish tv and speaks turkish, so obviously can do much better research than you or me...plus he is avoiding military service and hates the army so i will believe what he says...

calm the eff down, son. i didnt know welders in turkey were privy to read such contracts. so what if he's turkish? doesnt mean i have to believe someone's word without proof.

[binzer]

man im not turkish or in turkey lol...im in ireland lmao

[3rdMillhouse]

And before people start demanding my sources, here is my main one, wikipedia(im sure everybody agrees they are reliable)
''http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mehmet%C3%A7ik_1''

This is good humor. rofl

[binzer]

This is good humor. rofl

dont worry pal i have been enlightned about wiki lol like i said before i withdraw that statement lol

[koalorka]

Primitive Turkish nationalism aside, that's a 416.

[sergentdarmes]

I believe that some anti-terrorist units of the Polish police were using turkish-made HK MP5, would a knowlegeable member (yes, I'm thinking of REMOV) post about their experience;
Five years ago there was a test for 9mm closed-bolt firing subguns for the Fench gendarmerie: the turkish made MPR heated very quickly (3X30 rds in burst fire) and wasn't as reliable (failure/number of rounds) as the german made one that was used as a reference. The model that came first was the HK UMP.

[Bordobereli]

I love this rifle ......

http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/4927/ordhk416labeledlgyz4.jpg

This weapon name the Mehmetcik-1...New consept...

[REMOV]

I believe that some anti-terrorist units of the Polish police were using turkish-made HK MP5, would a knowlegeable member (...) post about their experience;There are two "Turkish" models in Polish Police service - genuine MKE submachineguns and Swiss-Turkish B&T BT5.

The first one - made by MKEK - have a bad reputation after the Magdalenka Shootout in March 5th-6th, 2003. "In a 12-hour siege in Magdalenka, near Warsaw (capital of Poland), two SWAT policemen were killed and 15 others injured as an anti-terrorist unit surrounded the hideout of two wanted criminals. The two fugitives (Igor Pikus and Robert Cieslak) - one a former Belarussian KGB agent wanted for murder - opened fire with automatic weapons (AKMS with 75-rounds magazines, PM84P, vz.61) and threw grenades. Following the operation, both men were found dead in the burned-out building, which was thought to have caught fire after an explosion".

The worn out MKE MP5s jammed often and were partially blamed for the losses, that's why Polish Police signed a directive that only "authentic H&K MP5 submachine guns" - literally! - will be purchased, and it is still in effect.

The second submachine gun in question - Swiss Brügger & Thomet BT5 - Turkish MKE made parts and receiver combined with Swiss made components has a better reputation and it is used by among others Polish Border Guard units (see picture below).

http://altair.com.pl/files/grafika/bia/2006/02/08-feniks.jpg
(c) Andrzej Krugler, Bron i Amunicja magazine 02/2006 (http://www.altair.com.pl/czasopisma-artykuly-72)
The model that came first was the HK UMP.I've got a chance to compare the H&K MP5 with the H&K UMP and I in my opinion the first one is far, far better.

[wiking]

I believe that some anti-terrorist units of the Polish police were using turkish-made HK MP5, would a knowlegeable member (yes, I'm thinking of REMOV) post about their experience;
Five years ago there was a test for 9mm closed-bolt firing subguns for the Fench gendarmerie: the turkish made MPR heated very quickly (3X30 rds in burst fire) and wasn't as reliable (failure/number of rounds) as the german made one that was used as a reference. The model that came first was the HK UMP.


Norway also has some bad experience with Turkish-made MG3's, both reliability and a bad top-cover\breech latch on the early models (i've been told by one former Home Guardsman that they had a Out-Of-Battery firing leading to the cover blowing open and venting all of it right in the face of the gunner on their first familiarization shooting.)