2008 Post Presidential Election Thread

[Invisigoth]

I do not see why public officials do not sue journalists/their opponents for libel or slander, I find the standard reasoning that just because a person is a public official, he should expect and tolerate false accusations to be hurled against him as being unnacceptable and a malarkey, rights should come with responsibilities, if a person refuses to accept the responsibility that he can be held accountable before the court of law by a person(even a public official) against whom he had willingly made a false accusation, then he should not be granted the right of free speech anyway.

You mean like Palin, who believes that the 1st amendment is what should protect her from evil journalists?

[Cornerstone]

The right to seek redress in court against those that make false utterances against you is, or should be one of the cornerstones of a free society, and the fact that you are a public official is besides the point. You can not really have rights if you refuse to be held accountable.
You have the right to go after them, however where will you start when they come from all directions... its not financially feasible

[ren0312]

You have the right to go after them, however where will you start when they come from all directions... its not financially feasible

Good point.

[xav]

U.S. Supreme Court Asked to Delay Presidential Election

http://tallahassee.injuryboard.com/miscellaneous/us-supreme-court-asked-to-delay-presidential-election.aspx?googleid=250440

[iLikeFlickerstick]

U.S. Supreme Court Asked to Delay Presidential Election

http://tallahassee.injuryboard.com/miscellaneous/us-supreme-court-asked-to-delay-presidential-election.aspx?googleid=250440

Interesting Post.! thank you.

So Mr. Berg is leading the legal charge to get Obama to produce his Birth Certificate. and he wants to suspend the elections until he can do it? It's gone to the Supreme Court? Wow. Apparently, Mr. Berg tried to bring suit against the Bush Admin for involvement in 9/11. SO that actually tells me this guy wants the truth. He's not exactly looking to be popular.

My first question is:

Has Obama really not been able to prove that he is a legal citizen? Why so much Grey area? It should be a simple yes or no. Maybe he was born in a goddamn incubator on Jenkyll Island. I mean what the hell is going here. This is f****king ridiculous!!

[budgie]

I'm calling it for Obama.

I was wrong in 2004 but the numbers weren't on my side then anyway. This time I have a bunch of factors to back up my call:

1) Popular vote - nationwide Obama is ahead by anywhere between 5-10 points depending on all polls except Fox. He's also ahead in the crucial 'battleground' or 'swing' states. Not to mention that he's even managed to paint a couple of Red states blue in most projections, the big one being Florida.

2) Electoral votes. He has well over 300 projected electoral college votes and McCain has well under 200. The target is 270. This one isn't rocket science.

3) Campaign Budget. Despite complaints over campaign financing and what-not Obama has amassed the largest war-chest in history and has a lot more to spend on selling himself than his rival. Traditionally the bigger spender wins.

4) Young people. Obama has run the most successful grass-roots get out the vote campaign in recent memory. Cunning use of the internet and a fresh face have helped but more young people will be voting in this election than usual and more of them will be voting democrats.

5) Wall Street. At least some of that financing has to come from the big boys. I can't see corporate America throwing its lot in with Palin no matter how generous the Republicans are with taxes and labour laws. The economy is a mess and the bankers and industrialists want sensible stewardship. Traditionally Wall Street's guy wins.

6) Change. A lot of Republicans despise the kinds of change that Obama proposes but in these times the word alone is a powerful message. You might harp on about "socialism" but Americans want affordable healthcare and schooling and they'll payer higher taxes to get it. "Conservatives" are a dying breed - America is a country of liberals. Liberals who feel it's time for a change.

So two days early I call it for Obama. I don't even think it will be a close race. He'll win by a comfortable margin and it will be pretty clear well before the end of the night.

LOL, you guys are gonna roast me if I'm wrong! I'm willing to risk the "I told you so's".

[Kilgor]

I'm calling it for Obama.

I was wrong in 2004 but the numbers weren't on my side then anyway. This time I have a bunch of factors to back up my call:

1) Popular vote - nationwide Obama is ahead by anywhere between 5-10 points depending on all polls except Fox. He's also ahead in the crucial 'battleground' or 'swing' states. Not to mention that he's even managed to paint a couple of Red states blue in most projections, the big one being Florida.

2) Electoral votes. He has well over 300 projected electoral college votes and McCain has well under 200. The target is 270. This one isn't rocket science.

3) Campaign Budget. Despite complaints over campaign financing and what-not Obama has amassed the largest war-chest in history and has a lot more to spend on selling himself than his rival. Traditionally the bigger spender wins.

4) Young people. Obama has run the most successful grass-roots get out the vote campaign in recent memory. Cunning use of the internet and a fresh face have helped but more young people will be voting in this election than usual and more of them will be voting democrats.

5) Wall Street. At least some of that financing has to come from the big boys. I can't see corporate America throwing its lot in with Palin no matter how generous the Republicans are with taxes and labour laws. The econmoy is a mess and the bankers and industrialists want sensible stewardship. Traditionally Wall Street's guy wins.

6) Change. A lot of Republicans despise the kinds of change that Obama proposes but in these time the word alone is a powerful message. You might harp on about "socialism" but Americans want affordable healthcare and schooling and they'll payer higher taxes to get it. "Conservatives" are a dying breed - America is a country of liberals. Liberals who feel it's time for a change.

So two days early I call it for Obama. I don't even think it will be a close race. He'll win by a comfortable margin and it will be pretty clear well before the end of the night.

LOL, you guys are gonna roast me if I'm wrong! I'm willing to risk the "I told you so's".

But if your right, they will blame the media .

[iLikeFlickerstick]

U.S. Supreme Court Asked to Delay Presidential Election

http://tallahassee.injuryboard.com/miscellaneous/us-supreme-court-asked-to-delay-presidential-election.aspx?googleid=250440

Maybe Berg is not part of some right wing effort to bring down Obama. Maybe he's just a man who understands what it means to elect a President that wasn't born in the U.S. What it means for a legal and constitutional framework. And maybe he knows he'll never get what he wants, but is willing to break precedent to make the point, that our constitutional framework is in shambles.

By the way, did Obama ever produce a Birth Certificate? Why can't it be a simple YES or NO.

[JKD]

By the way, did Obama ever produce a Birth Certificate? Why can't it be a simple YES or NO.

It's a simple yes. He did so a while back.

[Cornerstone]

But if your right, they will blame the media .
Are you sure, they will have to yell at the top of their lungs because only fox will give them any play after the defeat

[iLikeFlickerstick]

It's a simple yes. He did so a while back.

realllly? That is wonderful news. Not because I want Obama to my president but because I was starting to go insane with all these opposing facts floating around.

[budgie]

It's a simple yes. He did so a while back.

But the Right-wingers refuse to accept it so it's no longer a simple yes.

That's the problem with all these questions on Obama - the citizenship, religion, Ayers, Wright and Rezko and lately Khalidi (whoever heard of that guy a week ago?): The Republican Noise Machine has consistently refused to accept any of the simple and direct answers they've been given and insisted on repeating the questions ad-infinitum so as to make it seem they haven't been answered already. The Right have deliberately obfuscated and muddied the waters on every 'question' that's been raised.

[iLikeFlickerstick]

But the Right-wingers refuse to accept it so it's no longer a simple yes.

That's the problem with all these questions on Obama - the citizenship, religion, Ayers, Wright and Rezko and lately Khalidi (whoever heard of that guy a week ago?): The Republican Noise Machine has consistently refused to accept any of the simple and direct answers they've been given and insisted on repeating the questions ad-infinitum so as to make it seem they haven't been answered already. The Right have deliberately obfuscated and muddied the waters on every 'question' that's been raised.

By god he's right. These sons of b**tches really are responsible for my insanity. I'm serious. Our sense of reality itself is under attack from all this sh*t.

[JKD]

But the Right-wingers refuse to accept it so it's no longer a simple yes.

That's the problem with all these questions on Obama - the citizenship, religion, Ayers, Wright and Rezko and lately Khalidi (whoever heard of that guy a week ago?): The Republican Noise Machine has consistently refused to accept any of the simple and direct answers they've been given and insisted on repeating the questions ad-infinitum so as to make it seem they haven't been answered already. The Right have deliberately obfuscated and muddied the waters on every 'question' that's been raised.

You're right. The conspiracy department's been putting in overtime. It's starting to remind me of debating 9/11 troofers

Apparently, now his 85 year old "grandmother" (if she's really his grandmother) "fell" and broke her "hip" and then pretended to be "sick" so that Obama could travel to Hawaii under false pretenses and somehow get a whole slew of state officials to ****ounce his birth certificate as legit. ...Or maybe she really was sick but rather than "fall", Obama had one of his socialist muslim operatives push her down so she'd break her hip and then this whole evil plan could be set in motion.

[budgie]

Well it's true, look at each question. They've all been answered:

Citizenship : Birth cert. authenticated
Religion : Never raised a Muslim, chose Christianity himself
Wright ; The association may be distasteful, but he left that church
Rezko ; Never had any shady dealings with him
Ayers ; Never had any shady dealings with him
Khalidi ; His only crime as far as I can see is being Palestinian

All answered. Some of those answers might not please the Right, but they are answers nonetheless.

[Bia]

The Republican Noise Machine has consistently refused to accept any of the simple and direct answers they've been given and insisted on repeating the questions ad-infinitum so as to make it seem they haven't been answered already. The Right have deliberately obfuscated and muddied the waters on every 'question' that's been raised.
Desperation. Nothing relevant, all hype.
It's almost funny... till you think about its tragedy.

[Invisigoth]

Desperation. Nothing relevant, all hype.
It's almost funny... till you think about its tragedy.

Hope you got the champagne chilled, 1 day left.

[Kilgor]

Either way, there is gonna be a sh1tload of very very pissed off people.

[budgie]

I don't think so. Most Americans are moderate and will accept the outcome of the democratic process. Those on the fringes of each party will be the most deeply disappointed.

[philbob]

selft sustaining lulz eitherway amazing youtube videos are on there way...i predict qutie a few chris crocker type ones also

[xav]

Kinda weird it didn't reached the mainstream media yet...

Wait till it makes headlines on CNN and FOX... Then it will get interesting :)

[Invisigoth]

Hadn't seen this before, very cool.

http://thisf*ckingelection.com/

replace the * with a u ;]

[Skutatos]

I'm calling it for Obama.

I was wrong in 2004 but the numbers weren't on my side then anyway. This time I have a bunch of factors to back up my call:

1) Popular vote - nationwide Obama is ahead by anywhere between 5-10 points depending on all polls except Fox. He's also ahead in the crucial 'battleground' or 'swing' states. Not to mention that he's even managed to paint a couple of Red states blue in most projections, the big one being Florida.

2) Electoral votes. He has well over 300 projected electoral college votes and McCain has well under 200. The target is 270. This one isn't rocket science.

3) Campaign Budget. Despite complaints over campaign financing and what-not Obama has amassed the largest war-chest in history and has a lot more to spend on selling himself than his rival. Traditionally the bigger spender wins.

4) Young people. Obama has run the most successful grass-roots get out the vote campaign in recent memory. Cunning use of the internet and a fresh face have helped but more young people will be voting in this election than usual and more of them will be voting democrats.

5) Wall Street. At least some of that financing has to come from the big boys. I can't see corporate America throwing its lot in with Palin no matter how generous the Republicans are with taxes and labour laws. The economy is a mess and the bankers and industrialists want sensible stewardship. Traditionally Wall Street's guy wins.

6) Change. A lot of Republicans despise the kinds of change that Obama proposes but in these times the word alone is a powerful message. You might harp on about "socialism" but Americans want affordable healthcare and schooling and they'll payer higher taxes to get it. "Conservatives" are a dying breed - America is a country of liberals. Liberals who feel it's time for a change.

So two days early I call it for Obama. I don't even think it will be a close race. He'll win by a comfortable margin and it will be pretty clear well before the end of the night.

LOL, you guys are gonna roast me if I'm wrong! I'm willing to risk the "I told you so's".
I've been calling it for a month or so myself, I hope Im wrong, but I don't think McCain has a chance in hell.

[paulhewsoon]

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/02/bush.absent/index.html

Too bad a Pres. is so unpopular to do so (even if I don´t like him).

[Chulo]

Well it's true, look at each question. They've all been answered:

Citizenship : Birth cert. authenticated
Religion : Never raised a Muslim, chose Christianity himself
Wright ; The association may be distasteful, but he left that church
Only after 20 years of spending time with him and learning from him, and only because of the publicity-


Rezko ; Never had any shady dealings with him
There are plenty of questions about his shady dealings with him
http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/184540,122306obama.article


Ayers ; Never had any shady dealings with him



Khalidi ; His only crime as far as I can see is being Palestinian

Obama prides himself in choosing carefully who he deals with- he says so over and over again. And he chooses to deal with an offensive Black Liberation preacher, an unrepentant Marxist selfconfessed terrorist, a shady slum lord, and a self confessed terrorist


All answered. Some of those answers might not please the Right, but they are answers nonetheless.
Obama has never ever given a straight answer about his dealings. How many times did he change his story on Ayers? When it started they said they just lived on the same street and kids went to the same school.. really?
Then they changed it to just worked for the same organization, and its never been a straight answer- his dealings with Ayers is more than just a casual business interaction.

Yes they are answers, and it shows a nice trend on to the people he chooses to deal with and what idealogical ideas he finds attractive.

[Bia]

Obama has never ever given a straight answer about his dealings. How many times did he change his story on Ayers? When it started they said they just lived on the same street and kids went to the same school.. really?
Then they changed it to just worked for the same organization, and its never been a straight answer- his dealings with Ayers is more than just a casual business interaction.

He's answered time and again.
I suppose until he admits to building bombs in basements... you wont accept any other answer.

heh heh
Pwned

[budgie]

That really is their problem. The answers are out there - just not necessarily the ones they want - the ones that fit the Right-wing agenda.

And Chulo, calling Khalidi a terrosist is just plain lying. The man supports Palestinian Liberation, he doesn't run a bomb factory. If you find he does please let us know.

[seraosha]

Hadn't seen this before, very cool.

http://thisf*ckingelection.com/

replace the * with a u ;]

That's pretty cool, thanks man.

[Bringer of Greater Things]

Desperation. Nothing relevant, all hype.
It's almost funny... till you think about its tragedy.



There's a lot of that going around. My mailbox was full of Republican junk mail today.

[clean]

I'm voting for the black dude tomorrow. With the finance markets a mess, the housing crisis a crisis, our troops dying in foreign countries for unclear reasons, I think the US is actually doing fine. But we need a new leader, with new ideas and vision. We need a shake up of the SOP. The status quo won't get us much further. So I'm going to vote for a new guy. And I'll hope he lives up to what I want him to be. So he'll get my vote, what he does with it will be up to him.

[toki]

It's tuesday... when is the stuff finally over? Mp.net is turning a bit monochromatic. Election, election, election, election, election election. :|
If it would stay in this thread...

Btw for those not in the know, the Formula One had the same thing going on sunday. In the end the black guy won, after a nailbiting maneuver 20 seconds before the finish line. World Champion!

Happy Election thing Day!

[budgie]

I'm gonna sit the next day or so out. If Obama loses I'll pop back in so everyone can berate me with "I told you so."

If he wins I think I'm gonna avoid the hate-fest that's sure to follow. I wonder if anyone will be unable to contain their Tourettes and blurt out the N word...

[Invisigoth]

I'm gonna sit the next day or so out. If Obama loses I'll pop back in so everyone can berate me with "I told you so."

If he wins I think I'm gonna avoid the hate-fest that's sure to follow. I wonder if anyone will be unable to contain their Tourettes and blurt out the N word...

You kiddin'? You're gonna leave me here by myself in this hatefest? Oh well, guess someone has to enjoy it ;) I shall be rubbing exit polls in faces as the evening progresses. p-)

P.S. Hope nothing goes wrong *g*

[Red]

If Obama wins, I will spend my day watching Fox new. If McCain wins, I'll watch Keith Olberman. Whatever the outcome, the facial expressions will be priceless.

[xav]

Misleading calls in Virginia caused by computer glitch

(CNN) – Sometimes what seems like a political “dirty trick” is just a simple mistake.

The Virginia State of Board Elections issued a “Rumor Buster” press release Monday in response to reports of misleading robo-calls from multiple locations across the state.

But it turns out that the misinformation was just an accident caused by a computer glitch. “The technology, God bless technology, was incorrectly giving people their polling precincts,” Jean Cunningham, chair of the Virginia State Board of Elections, told CNN Monday. “Highly sophisticated software that went amok.”

Cunningham also told CNN that, in addition to the “Rumor Buster,” corrective phone calls were being made to everyone who received one of the incorrect automated calls.

If you live in Virginia, click here to search for your polling place on the state board’s Web site.

CNN will be tracking voter problems through Election Day. If you have a problem or see a problem, call the CNN Voter Hotline at 877-462-6608. See what issues are a concern in each state by clicking on the interactive Hotline map at cnn.com/hotline.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/11/03/misleading-calls-in-virginia-caused-by-computer-glitch/

[Cornerstone]

If Obama wins, I will spend my day watching Fox new. If McCain wins, I'll watch Keith Olberman. Whatever the outcome, the facial expressions will be priceless.
Sean Hannity's expression will trump anyone elses, his personal vendetta against the guy from the very beginning of this campaign has been perplexing to say the least...

I think deep down he likes Obama.... :hug:

[Bringer of Greater Things]

Sean Hannity's expression will trump anyone elses, his personal vendetta against the guy from the very beginning of this campaign has been perplexing to say the least...

I think deep down he likes Obama.... :hug:


I will be enjoying some serious lulz watching Hannity's forum on Wednesday.

[Kilgor]

If Obama wins, I will spend my day watching Fox new. If McCain wins, I'll watch Keith Olberman. Whatever the outcome, the facial expressions will be priceless.

X2

There will be alot of very pissed off people tomorrow, and hopefully it will be the bible and gun polishers, and Ill be there watching it for the lulz

[Zoomie]

You kiddin'? You're gonna leave me here by myself in this hatefest? Oh well, guess someone has to enjoy it ;) I shall be rubbing exit polls in faces as the evening progresses. p-)

P.S. Hope nothing goes wrong *g*
Exit polls are hardly accurate by any means.

[loganinkosovo]

Very Illuminating post to a Pro Hillary Blog

http://hillbuzz.wordpress.com/2008/10/27/that-is-what-change-means-for-barack-the-redistributor-it-means-taking-your-money-and-giving-it-to-someone-else/#comment-13554




Ok, I want to clear my conscious a little. Hopefully you could make a blog post to help some fellow clinton supporters out.
I work for a campaign and can’t wait for this week to be over.
I was doing it for a job. I was not a fan of any candidate but over time grew to love HRC.
The internal campaign idea is to twist, distort, humiliate and finally dispirit you.
We pay people and organize people to go to all the online sites and “play the part of a clinton or mccain supporter who just switched our support for obama”
We do this to stifle your motivation and to destroy your confidence.
We did this the whole primary and it worked.
Sprinkle in mass vote confusion and it becomes bewildering. Most people lose patience and just give up on their support of a candidate and decide to just block out tv, news, websites, etc.
This surprisingly has had a huge suppressing movement and vote turnout issues.
Next, we infiltrate all the blogs and all the youtube videos and overwhelm the voting, the comments, etc. All to continue this appearance of overwhelming world support.
People makes posts to the effect that the world has “gone mad”
Thats the intention. To make you feel stressed and crazy and feel like the world is ending.
We have also had quite a hand in skewing many many polls, some we couldn’t control as much as we would have liked. But many we have spoiled over. Just enough to make real clear politics look scarey to a mccain supporter. Its worked, alough the goal was to appear 13-15 points ahead.
see, the results have been working. People tend to support a winner, go with the flow, become “sheeple”
The polls are roughly 3-5 points in favor of Barack. Thats due to our inflation of the polls and pulling in the sheeple.
Our donors, are the same people who finance the MSM. Their interests are tied, Barack then tends to come across as teflon. Nothing sticks. And trust, there were meetings with Fox news. The goal was to blunt them as much as possible. Watch Bill Oreilly he has become much more diplomatic and “fair and balanced” and soft. Its because he wants to retain the #1 spot on cable news and to do that he has to have access to the Obama campaign and we worked hard at stringing him a long and keeping him soft for an interview swap. It worked and now he is anticipating more access. So he is playing it still soft.
This is why nothing sticks.
The operation is massive, the goal is to paint a picture that is that of a winner, regardless of the results.
There is no true inauguration draft or true grant park construction going on. There will be a party, but we are boasting beyond the truth to make it seem like the election is wrapped up.
Our goal is to continue to make you lose your moral. We worked hard at persuasion and paying off and timing and playing the right political numbers to get key republican endorsements to make it seem even more like it was over and the world was coming to an end for you all.
There is a huge staff of people working around the clock, watching every site, blogs, etc. We flood these sites. We have had a goal to overwhelm.
The truth is here. I could go on and on, but you get the picture.
I am saying this because I know HRC was better for the country, and now realize this. I was too late by the time I connected to her. To me Barack was just a cool young dude that seemed like a star. I didn’t know him or his policies, but now I understand more than I care to and I realize his interests are more for him, and the DNC and all working like puppets with dean. I always thought a president wanted the better good for the country. The end result I see is everyone dependent on the government, this means more and more people voting for the DNC. This means the future is forever altered. I don’t see this as america, so I am now supporting John Mccain.
Sarah Palin is a huge threat, and our campaign has feared her like you can’t imagine. If it seems unfair how she has been treated, well its because she has had a team working round the clock to make her look like a fool.
this is a big conspiracy and I am so shocked that its not realized.
We released a little blurb the other day that the Obama campaign was already working on reelection and now putting our efforts towards 2012. This was to make it seem like it was above us to continue caring about 2008. Trust me, its a lie. David is very smart, but its a sticky ugly not very truthful kind of intelligence.
Its not over yet, but I think the machine is working. And its a hill to climb.
I will be quitting my post on nov 5th and my vote will be for John Mccain. Fortunately, my position has been a marketing position and I don’t feel I had any part of anything I would feel guilty for. But I look forward to getting out of this as the negativity and environment upsets me.
I wish you all well, and goodluck.
PS my name is not really sarah. but I am a female and I understand your plight.
If this rings a bell to you at all V4O, and if it is true, be sure to clear off and smear the disgusting sludge and grime and putrid sick of your candidate’s campaign somewhere else.
How’s this? I am as liberal as they come. I’m not conservative, like a lot of the lurkers on this blog. But I am a populist, FDR liberal. Barack Obama is no Democrat. And if you were as confident as you say, you wouldn’t be wasting your time on us scary “repub lites”, now would you?
I know all about Hillary’s positions. I know how liberal she is. I know about John McCain. I know about Barack Obama. I am not a fool.
But thanks to people like you, I know EXACTLY who I’m voting for on Nov 4th.
And news flash:
It won’t be Barack Obama.
PPS: Don’t be sad, V4B. According to Donna Brazile, you don’t need my vote anyway. Catch ya later.




Anyone with more than half a brain knows the polls are completely Bogus but it's nice to have Confirmation from the Source. :)

[I can't think of a name]

I have been reading about the elections in the 60s and there was huge electioneering by operatives at the time. It all culminated with Watergate were the Republicans effed up first. (when they did not even need to)

Axelrod is like Rove however Axelrod has unions and community organizations to do his dirty work. ACORN and ALF-CIO can do stuff that cannot compromise the Obama campaign.

Axelrod's firm has been doing a practice called "Astroturfing". He pays people to creat phoney "grassroots" organizations (hence astroturfing). These organizations appear to be independant and spontaneous when infact they are not.

Conservative bloggers cought this first with the Hillary 1984. The press (a wing of the Obama campaign) used it as an example of grass roots enthusiaism for Obama when in fact it was created by David Axelrod.

[Holycrusader]

So, who is winning?

[iLikeFlickerstick]

If Obama wins, I will spend my day watching Fox new. If McCain wins, I'll watch Keith Olberman. Whatever the outcome, the facial expressions will be priceless.

Same here!

[lightfire]

I've got a (repost?) question:

why do you vote on Tuesday (working day), instead of weekend?

[SrB-23Q]

so when dose the actual election take place?

[Firefly26]

Polls are opening about now and should start closing in about 12 hours. So in about 12 hours the results will start coming in and within a few hours the results.

[Holycrusader]

I've got a (repost?) question:

why do you vote on Tuesday (working day), instead of weekend?

Good question...

[Kilgor]

so when dose the actual election take place?

I think you can follow it from 10am-11am Australian eastern time.

[Kilgor]

If he wins I think I'm gonna avoid the hate-fest that's sure to follow. I wonder if anyone will be unable to contain their Tourettes and blurt out the N word...

I know someone who can't


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCbrEbEyheM

[Bringer of Greater Things]

Wait, there's an election today?


























p-)

[velvet-cream]

Good luck America.


Hope you get the change you guys need.

[NavyTimes]

Have a good election US!

[SrB-23Q]

nice...thanks for the info

hope Obama wins...just like the guy
the other guy is too old, would probably die in office. lol

[signatory]

You're screwed either way! But remember....

http://i33.tinypic.com/vhatj5.jpg

[tyovan]

I went out and voted already - sixth in my precinct..

Make sure if you're registered, get out there and make your opinion heard!!

[Stonewall71]

World hopes for a 'less arrogant America'

By WILLIAM J. KOLE and MATT MOORE, Associated Press Writers William J. Kole And Matt Moore, Associated Press Writers 9 mins ago
BERLIN – A world weary of eight years of George W. Bush was riveted Tuesday by the drama unfolding in the United States. Many were inspired by Barack Obama's focus on hope, or simply relieved that — whoever wins — the current administration is coming to an end.
From Berlin's Brandenburg Gate to the small town of Obama, Japan, the world gears up to celebrate a fresh start for America.
In Germany, where more than 200,000 flocked to see Obama this summer as he moved to burnish his foreign policy credentials during a trip to the Middle East and Europe, the election dominated television ticker crawls, newspaper headlines and Web sites.
Hundreds of thousands prepared to party through the night to watch the outcome of an election having an impact far beyond America's shores. Among the more irreverent festivities planned in Paris: a "Goodbye George" party to bid farewell to Bush.
"Like many French people, I would like Obama to win because it would really be a sign of change," said Vanessa Doubine, shopping Tuesday on the Champs-Elysees. "I deeply hope for America's image that it will be Obama."
Obama-mania was evident not only across Europe, where millions geared up for all-night vigils, but even in much of the Islamic world, where Muslims expressed hope that the Democrat would seek compromise rather than confrontation.
The Bush administration alienated Muslims by mistreating prisoners at its detention center for terrorism suspects at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, and inmates at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison — human rights violations also condemned worldwide.
"I hope Obama wins (because) of the need of the world to see the U.S. represent a more cosmopolitan or universal political attitude," said Rais Yatim, the foreign minister of mostly Muslim Malaysia.
"The new president will have an impact on the economic and political situation in my country," said Muhammad al-Thaheri, 48, a civil servant in Saudi Arabia. Like so many around the world, he was rooting for Obama "because he will change the path the U.S. is on under Bush."
Nizar al-Kortas, a columnist for Kuwait's Al-Anbaa newspaper, saw an Obama victory as "a historic step to change the image of the arrogant American administration to one that is more acceptable in the world."
Yet John McCain was backed by some in countries such as Israel, where he is perceived as tougher on Iran.
Israeli leaders, who consider the U.S. their closest and most important ally, have not openly declared a preference. But privately, they have expressed concern about Obama, who has alarmed some by saying he would be ready to hold a dialogue with Tehran.
Taking a cigarette break on a Jerusalem street corner, bank employee Leah Nizri, 53, said Obama represented potentially frightening change and voiced concern about his Muslim ancestry.
"I think he'll be pleasant to Israel, but he will make changes," she said. "He's too young. I think that especially in a situation of a world recession, where things are so unclear in the world, McCain would be better than Obama."
Even in Europe, McCain got some grudging respect: Germany's mass-circulation daily Bild lionized the Republican as "the War Hero" and running mate Sarah Palin as "the Beautiful Unknown."
In Berlin, Republicans Abroad organized a "November Surprise Election Party" to watch live "how the Republican ticket McCain/Palin comes from behind and leaves the 'liberal elite media' in Europe and the United States puzzled."
British Prime Minister Gordon Brown clung to convention by refusing to say which candidate he wants to see win. Regardless of the outcome, he told Al-Arabiya television while on a tour of the Gulf, "history has been made in this campaign."

In Baghdad, a jaded Mohammed al-Tamimi said he didn't think U.S. policy on Iraq would change. Even so, "we hope that the new American president will open a new page with our country."
Kenyans made their allegiance clear: Scores packed churches on Tuesday to pray for Obama, whose late father was born in the East African nation, and hailed the candidate — himself born in Hawaii — as a "son of the soil."
"Tonight we are not going to sleep," said Valentine Wambi, 23, a student at the University of Nairobi. "It will be celebrations throughout."
Kenyans believe an Obama victory would not change their lives much but that hasn't stopped them from splashing his picture on minibuses and selling T-shirts with his name and likeness. Kenyans were planning to gather around radios and TV sets starting Tuesday night as the results come in.
"We will feast if Obama wins," said Robert Rutaro, a university president in neighboring Uganda. "We will celebrate by marching on the streets of Kampala and hold a big party later on."
In the sleepy Japanese coastal town of Obama — which translates as "little beach" — images of him adorned banners along a main shopping street, and preparations for an election day victory party were in full swing.
Election fever also ran high in Vietnam, where McCain was held as a prisoner of war for more than five years after being shot down in Hanoi during a 1967 bombing run.
"He's patriotic," said Le Lan Anh, a Vietnamese novelist and real estate tycoon. "As a soldier, he came here to destroy my country, but I admire his dignity."
___ Kole reported from Vienna, Austria. AP correspondents worldwide contributed.

[Stonewall71]

sooooooooooooooooo...

Why do you people vote on TUESDAY????
(instead of on weekend)

????

[beNder]

Well, I'm off to vote this morning (get an hour admin leave), trying to beat the crowds. Who ever wins I wish the best as they will have massive mess to deal with.


Peace

[Stonewall71]

vote for CHANGEp-) ;)

[longlivetaiwan]

My vote. p-)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/ec/JohnKerrylogo.png

[LaoSexMachine]

Yes we can.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_candidates_in_the_United_States_presidential_election,_2008

[GoSka37]

Voted by absentee ballot two weeks ago. go me?

[Fiber]

Good luck with the election! I hope you all get the president you want!

[Polygon]

McCain: 'I will never let you down' (http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2008/11/04/sot.mccain.prescott.cnn)

Wat.

Yeah, kind of wish I had done an absentee ballot to avoid the lines today. Should be fun when I go this afternoon.

[vryhpyammoadded]

Yes we can.
A vote for Bob the Builder?

[Createdeemcee]

You kiddin'? You're gonna leave me here by myself in this hatefest? Oh well, guess someone has to enjoy it ;-) I shall be rubbing exit polls in faces as the evening progresses. p-)

P.S. Hope nothing goes wrong *g*


I'll be here with you.

[toki]

Why do you people vote on TUESDAY????
(instead of on weekend)


Now that you said it... Why is that?
Anybody?

[Invisigoth]

I'll be here with you.

I'm glad :} Watch NC, that's where the chedda s' at! My friends!

[Cornerstone]

Now that you said it... Why is that?
Anybody?
Sunday is a religious holiday so that gives you monday and wednesday as travel times, its on farming times when you needed a horse to get around

[oswald]

^what he said.

Why vote on Tuesday (http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:Y1bcJg0kl-IJ:www.massvote.org/docs/Policy_TOV_Why_Vote_on_Tuesday-what_are_other_options.pdf%3FdocID%3D1308+why+vote+on+tuesday&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us).

[Euroamerican]

Now that you said it... Why is that?
Anybody?

Thanks for asking that question. It's a chance for some learning to be done.

Federal Law sets "the Tuesday following the first Monday of November", according to the source I just read.

[Invisigoth]

So when does everyone think it will be called? (Given there are no Floridaesque incidents)

Indiana, Virginia, Ohio, North Carolina, PA, Florida and Missouri all close between 7pm and 8pm Eastern.

[Cornerstone]

Thanks for asking that question. It's a chance for some learning to be done.

Federal Law sets "the Tuesday following the first Monday of November", according to the source I just read.
yeah november is the end of the harvest season, so people mainly landowners had the time to do it.

[Cornerstone]

So when does everyone think it will be called? (Given there are no Floridaesque incidents)

Indiana, Virginia, Ohio, North Carolina, PA, Florida and Missouri all close between 7pm and 8pm Eastern.
Pretty early, Obama only needs like two of them and he's in, McCain needs all of them and then some including states he is currentley behind in

[Createdeemcee]

You're screwed either way! But remember.... Vote or Die!...



Yup I wish more would have practiced that, who knows how different things would have been.

[toki]

Sunday is a religious holiday so that gives you monday and wednesday as travel times, its on farming times when you needed a horse to get around


Thanks for asking that question. It's a chance for some learning to be done.

Federal Law sets "the Tuesday following the first Monday of November", according to the source I just read.


yeah november is the end of the harvest season, so people mainly landowners had the time to do it.
Thanks, got it.

Couldn't think of a reason, election is typically on sunday here. Hassle free and probably with a higher turnout. Are people cramping in the line to vote after work?

Here you just come by with your ID and you're out in 2 minutes.

[Euroamerican]

Thanks, got it.

Couldn't think of a reason, election is typically on sunday here. Hassle free and probably with a higher turnout. Are people cramping in the line to vote after work?

Here you just come by with your ID and you're out in 2 minutes.

Yes. Depending on the precinct, many have big lines going out the doors. Precincts are usually local government offices, schools, or church halls. Usually my precinct ( a girl scout hall located in a city park) has only a half dozen people in line. I try to vote in every election, and sometimes only a few people are there at any time, other than the staff.

Having to show your ID is a controversial topic, which seems stupid to me. Many places it is against the law to ask for an ID (considered an attempt to restrict voting rights) but they do verify your name against the poll list. You have to sign your name on the poll list next to your printed name and address. If they cannot find your name on the list, they look at other lists for nearby precincts and redirect you. They can also issue you a provisional voting ballot, which has to be verified (for your identity) at some point.

[Jobu]

Thanks, got it.

Couldn't think of a reason, election is typically on sunday here. Hassle free and probably with a higher turnout. Are people cramping in the line to vote after work?

Here you just come by with your ID and you're out in 2 minutes.



Most Americans don't bother to go vote. In California, it really makes no difference if you vote. You know the outcome already. The same can be said for Mississippi. One extra Dem or Rep vote will not make any difference in most cases. Some people also believe if they register to vote they will end up being called for jury duty.

In swing states there is more enthusiasm because every vote can make a difference but in reality there are only 5-6 such states in the country, the rest is predetermined.

[toki]

Yes. Depending on the precinct, many have big lines going out the doors. Precincts are usually local government offices, schools, or church halls. Usually my precinct ( a girl scout hall located in a city park) has only a half dozen people in line. I try to vote in every election, and sometimes only a few people are there at any time, other than the staff.

Having to show your ID is a controversial topic, which seems stupid to me. Many places it is against the law to ask for an ID (considered an attempt to restrict voting rights) but they do verify your name against the poll list. You have to sign your name on the poll list next to your printed name and address. If they cannot find your name on the list, they look at other lists for nearby precincts and redirect you. They can also issue you a provisional voting ballot, which has to be verified (for your identity) at some point.

Here you get an "invitation letter" without registring, since you have to be registered in your local community anyway (You have to carry ID, containing a photo, residence, personal data (birth date etc) and data of appearance, height, eyecolour etc ).
You have to bring that letter plus ID to vote. ID might be enough though.

If you move and not register at the local townhall in a certain ammount of time you'll face severe fines. Btw your car plate is tied to that information as well, so police know which door to knock if it is in the driveway. ;-)

That way they're able to just send voting letters to every German citizen above 18 in the district. You don't have to apply/register for voting.

But i know that a national ID is not welcome in the US for various reasons.

what do i tell you, you probably know anyway... ;-)

@Jobu, i see. It seems a bit of a hassle to vote there.

[Euroamerican]

Most Americans don't bother to go vote. In California, it really makes no difference if you vote. You know the outcome already. The same can be said for Mississippi. One extra Dem or Rep vote will not make any difference in most cases. Some people also believe if they register to vote they will end up being called for jury duty.

In swing states there is more enthusiasm because every vote can make a difference but in reality there are only 5-6 such states in the country, the rest is predetermined.

I would agree that the national election is usually decided before all the western votes are in. However, California is a big state with many electoral votes, why would they not be important if there was a deadlock? I must be missing something.

Even if your votes does not matter for the federal elections, you still have a say at the state and local levels. These are the levels at which your votes really do make a difference.

[Createdeemcee]

Does anyone know when the official ballots will be counted and a victor will be presented?

[hell]

Does anyone know when the official ballots will be counted and a victor will be presented?

I read that they are shooting for ~11PM EST, but don't expect anything concrete, since there will be legal challenges for days to come. McCain's campaign is suing to make sure that votes from soldiers stationed outside the US are accepted and counted up to Nov. 14th, I believe.

[hell]

Look at all the "free" stuff if you vote: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27455136/

[Polygon]

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p235/polygon86/yhst-79908670051176_2025_1746553.jpg

[Bia]

Paper ballots :)
No "I Voted" stickers :(

[szr]

People should go out and vote regardless of where they live because it's not just a presidential election.

Depending on where you live there will be congressional and senatorial elections; all manner of state elections including governor and lieutenant governor, state comptroller, state attorney general, state reps., state high judges and lesser judges; local elections for mayors and executives, city and county councils, sheriffs and more judges; local and state referendums and ballot initiatives, etc. etc. etc. etc.

It's not just the president.

[Atlantic Friend]

Go American voters ! Beat our last record of 85% ! :woot:

[perdurabo]

so did b. husein obama win already?

[Macs.]

Go American voters ! Beat our last record of 85% ! :woot:

Well, in 2002 Saddam Hussein got 100% of the votes and it also was a turn out of 100%. So, take it.

[I can't think of a name]

Black Panthers are apparently causing problems in precincts in Philly.

[Fargin]

Have a good election night guys, may all your wildest dreams come true.

[b0sco]

Don't forget to lock everything up, so the rioters won't break it.

[loganinkosovo]

Here We Go! Stealing the Election Everywhere They Can Get Away With It!!!!!


Leftist Voter Intimidation

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCeD1RcJjAg


This is illegal as hell!!! No Politicking within 100 feet!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyVjqRApOoc


http://townhall.com/blog/g/cf47766b-5a6d-44ab-95e7-ce60631bcadc



A Repeat of 2004 Philly Voter Chaos, Fraud (http://townhall.com/blog/g/cf47766b-5a6d-44ab-95e7-ce60631bcadc) Posted by: Amanda Carpenter at 7:46 AM GOP Election Board members have been tossed out of polling stations in at least half a dozen polling stations in Philadelphia because of their party status.

A Pennsylvania judge previously ruled that court-appointed poll watchers could be NOT removed from their boards by an on-site election judge, but that is exactly what is happening, according to sources on the ground.

It is the duty of election board workers to monitor and guard the integrity of the voting process.

Denying access to the minority (in this case Republican) poll watchers and inspectors is a violation of Pennsylvania state law. Those who violate the law can be punished with a misdemeanor and subjected to a fine of $1,000 and sent to prison between one month and two years.

Those on site are describing the situation as "pandemonium" and there may be video coming of the chaos.

Some of the precincts where Republicans have been removed are: the 44th Ward, 12th and 13th divisions; 6th Ward, 12th division; 32nd Ward, Division 28.

“Election board officials guard the legitimacy of the election process and the idea that Republicans are being intimidated and banned for partisan purposes does not allow for an honest and open election process,” said McCain-Palin spokesman Ben Porritt in a statement to Townhall.

The City of Brotherly Love was roiled in controversy during the 2004 election because of rigged voting machines that showed nearly 2,000 votes for Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry before the polls had opened. A man also used a gun to intimidate poll workers at Ward 30, division 11 in 2004.

Update: Fox News just did a report about the controversy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3u6sU2_Eu4). The Democrats are saying that the polling station is crowded and election board members need to cycle through the areas intermittently.

Update 10:53am: Pennsylvania Secretary of State Pedro Cortes says this matter is already being heard in court and should be resolved soon. He says there was a dispute of the names of the poll watchers on record. This is a different story than the Democratic officials told Fox News earlier this morning.





http://hamptonroads.com/print/486648


Virgina State Officials try to disenfranchise Soldiers again!




McCain campaign sues over overseas military ballots



RICHMOND
John McCain's presidential campaign filed a federal suit Monday against Virginia seeking to extend by 10 days the deadline for the state's acceptance of military members' federal absentee ballots.
Word of the suit emerged Monday afternoon, around the time that a separate election-related injunction request to extend voting hours in today's election was being rejected in federal court.
A national voter rights group, the Advancement Project, and the state NAACP chapter sued the state last week claiming unfair election practices and sought court action to change the distribution of voting machines in Norfolk, Richmond and Virginia Beach, extend polling hours and permit wider use of paper ballots.
Judge Richard Williams did not grant the immediate injunction, though the suit is expected to proceed at a later date. In his ruling, Williams reasoned that last-minute changes to the election format could harm the public in the name of protecting voters potentially disenfranchised by current state election laws.
The McCain suit, meanwhile, seeks an injunction to extend the date by which federal write-in absentee ballots must be received to be counted. The current deadline is today, but the suit seeks to have the date changed to Nov. 14.
"Because many counties in Virginia failed to mail absentee ballots in time to our men and women in uniform stationed overseas, service members are being disenfranchised because they are unable to return their ballots before the November 4 deadline," campaign spokeswoman Gail Gitcho said in a written statement about the suit, which is scheduled to be heard in Williams' courtroom at 1:30 p.m. today.
Chesapeake, Suffolk and Virginia Beach are among the localities cited in the lawsuit as those that mailed absentee ballots overseas in late September. The suit argues that service members didn't have enough time to cast their votes and return them stateside.
Estimates range between federal agencies, but systemic impediments to overseas voting are seen as a hindrance that keeps service members stationed abroad from voting with the same success rate as the domestic population.
This is the second recent flap over federal absentee ballots; an earlier dispute was resolved last week when state election officials allowed about 100 ballots to be counted that otherwise would have been disqualified under state law.
Responding to the suit, Obama campaign spokesman Kevin Griffis said the Democratic presidential candidate "is strongly committed to protecting the rights of veterans and active-duty military. That is why our campaign sent a letter to every secretary of state earlier this fall urging them to do everything they can to ensure that the vote of active military and veterans are counted."
In the earlier lawsuit regarding voting equipment and hours, Williams acknowledged in his ruling that he would like to see Virginia adopt the early voting rules used by some other states, and also use more voting machines on Election Day. "Those changes have to come from the Virginia General Assembly, not the court," he said.
The judge, however, ordered state election officials to publicize the availability of curbside voting for elderly and disabled citizens and to remind voters that anyone in line when polls close at 7 p.m. will be allowed to vote.
After Monday's hearing, NAACP national President Ben Jealous urged voters to be patient as they wait in Election Day lines.
"We are urging all voters to stay in line tomorrow," Jealous said. "Americans have waited 230 years for this: a multi-gender, multi-generational, multi-racial" election.
"This is a big day. Stay in line," he said.






http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/1108/Professor_ousted_after_tearing_down_McCain_yard_signs.html




Professor ousted after tearing down McCain yard signs

The St. Olaf (Northfield, Minn.) professor who, in a well-read Huffington Post item, recounted tearing down McCain campaign signs has resigned.

Per the Northfield News, it appears that Philip Busse was forced out.

St. Olaf spokesman David Gonnerman issued the following statement Monday afternoon:

"The St. Olaf College administration first learned of Phil Busse's self-admitted theft and destruction of campaign signs on the morning of Oct. 31 as a result of his posting on the Internet.

"The St. Olaf administration immediately referred the matter to local law enforcement authorities and commenced an investigation of its own.

"Mr. Busse has tendered his resignation and is no longer affiliated with St. Olaf College.

Busse has been charged with misdemeanor theft.

[Bringer of Greater Things]

Here We Go! Stealing the Election Everywhere They Can Get Away With It!!!!!


Leftist Voter Intimidation

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCeD1RcJjAg


This is illegal as hell!!! No Politicking within 100 feet!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyVjqRApOoc


http://townhall.com/blog/g/cf47766b-5a6d-44ab-95e7-ce60631bcadc




http://hamptonroads.com/print/486648


Virgina State Officials try to disenfranchise Soldiers again!




http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/1108/Professor_ousted_after_tearing_down_McCain_yard_signs.html



Didn't you just post that same thing in the Obama thread?

[loganinkosovo]

Yes, I felt it had enough weight to be in both Obama and "How this election is being run" threads.




http://www.kirotv.com/news/17885256/detail.html

Free Starbucks Coffee On Election Day After Illegal Ad







SEATTLE -- Seattle-based Starbucks is making fast changes -- after being accused of breaking the law with an offer to voters.Prior to Monday afternoon, Starbucks was promoting an ad that said anyone who says enters a Starbucks on Election Day and says that they voted would get a free cup of tall coffee.http://www.kirotv.com/sh/images/ibs_icon/cox/video.gifRAW VIDEO: Starbucks' Election Day Ad (http://www.kirotv.com/video/17885255/index.html)Election officials for the state of Washington told KIRO 7 that rewarding voters with free coffee is illegal."No good deed goes unpunished," said Nick Handy, director of elections.Handy said there is a federal statute that prohibits any reward for voting.Starbucks' good deed can be perceived as paying someone to vote, and that’s illegal, Handy said."The way it is written, it expressly prohibits giving any kind of gift," Handy said.Handy said the intent of the statute is aimed at special interest groups trying to influence who and how people vote.To fix the situation, Starbucks had agreed to give a tall cup of coffee to anyone who asks on Election Day.A statement from Tara Darrow of Starbucks says, "We've been excited by the number of positive responses received about our free coffee offer. To ensure we are in compliance with election law, we are extending our offer to all customers who request a tall brewed coffee. We're pleased to honor our commitment to communities on this important Election Day. We hope there is a record turnout on Tuesday and look forward to celebrating with our customers over a great cup of coffee."

[Cornerstone]

Yes, I felt it had enough weight to be in both Obama and "How this election is being run" threads.




http://www.kirotv.com/news/17885256/detail.html

Free Starbucks Coffee On Election Day After Illegal Ad
Four words President Barack Hussein Obama

[Zoomie]

10 Reasons why not to turn on your TV today:

Why You Should Ignore the Exit Polls At All Costs
Oh, let me count the ways. Almost all of this, by the way, is lifted from Mark Bluemthnal's outstanding Exit Poll FAQ (http://www.pollster.com/faq/faq_questions_about_exit_polls_1.php). For the long version, see over there.

1. Exit polls have a much larger intrinsic margin for error than regular polls. This is because of what are known as cluster sampling techniques. Exit polls are not conducted at all precincts, but only at some fraction thereof. Although these precincts are selected at random and are supposed to be reflective of their states as a whole, this introduces another opportunity for error to occur (say, for instance, that a particular precinct has been canvassed especially heavily by one of the campaigns). This makes the margins for error somewhere between 50-90% higher than they would be for comparable telephone surveys.

2. Exit polls have consistently overstated the Democratic share of the vote. Many of you will recall this happening in 2004, when leaked exit polls suggested that John Kerry would have a much better day than he actually had. But this phenomenon was hardly unique to 2004. In 2000, for instance, exit polls had Al Gore winning states like Alabama and Georgia (!). If you go back and watch The War Room (http://www.amazon.com/War-Room-James-Carville/dp/B0002JUXDS), you'll find George Stephanopolous and James Carville gloating over exit polls showing Bill Clinton winning states like Indiana and Texas, which of course he did not win.

3. Exit polls were particularly bad in this year's primaries. They overstated Barack Obama's performance (http://news.nationaljournal.com/articles/mysterypollster/2008/030708.htm) by an average of about 7 points.

4. Exit polls challenge the definition of a random sample. Although the exit polls have theoretically established procedures to collect a random sample -- essentially, having the interviewer approach every nth person who leaves the polling place -- in practice this is hard to execute at a busy polling place, particularly when the pollster may be standing many yards away from the polling place itself because of electioneering laws.

5. Democrats may be more likely to participate in exit polls. Related to items #1 and #4 above, Scott Rasmussen has found (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/beware_of_exit_polls) that Democrats supporters are more likely to agree to participate in exit polls, probably because they are more enthusiastic about this election.

6. Exit polls may have problems calibrating results from early voting. Contrary to the conventional wisdom, exit polls will attempt account for people who voted before election day in most (although not all) states by means of a random telephone sample of such voters. However, this requires the polling firms to guess at the ratio of early voters to regular ones, and sometimes they do not guess correctly. In Florida in 2000, for instance, there was a significant underestimation of the absentee vote, which that year was a substantially Republican vote, leading to an overestimation of Al Gore's share of the vote, and contributing to the infamous miscall of the state.

7. Exit polls may also miss late voters. By "late" voters I mean persons who come to their polling place in the last couple of hours of the day, after the exit polls are out of the field. Although there is no clear consensus about which types of voters tend to vote later rather than earlier, this adds another way in which the sample may be nonrandom, particularly in precincts with long lines or extended voting hours.

8. "Leaked" exit poll results may not be the genuine article. Sometimes, sources like Matt Drudge and Jim Geraghty have gotten their hands on the actual exit polls collected by the network pools. At other times, they may be reporting data from "first-wave" exit polls, which contain extremely small sample sizes and are not calibrated for their demographics. And at other places on the Internet (though likely not from Gergahty and Drudge, who actually have reasonably good track records), you may see numbers that are completely fabricated.

9. A high-turnout election may make demographic weighting difficult. Just as regular, telephone polls are having difficulty this cycle estimating turnout demographics -- will younger voters and minorities show up in greater numbers? -- the same challenges await exit pollsters. Remember, an exit poll is not a definitive record of what happened at the polling place; it is at best a random sampling.

10. You'll know the actual results soon enough anyway. Have patience, my friends, and consider yourselves lucky: in France, it is illegal to conduct a poll of any kind within 48 hours of the election. But exit polls are really more trouble than they're worth, at least as a predictive tool. An independent panel created by CNN (http://archives.cnn.com/2001/ALLPOLITICS/stories/02/02/cnn.report/cnn.pdf) in the wake of the Florida disaster in 2000 recommended that the network completely ignore exit polls when calling particular states. I suggest that you do the same.
--Nate Silver


Source (http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_plank/archive/2008/11/04/why-you-should-ignore-the-exit-polls-at-all-costs.aspx)

[Snoshi]

I predict a ****storm after the results will start coming in.

DEVELOPING STORY -- Intimidation tactics, missing ballots and faulty machinery are plaguing some voters across the country as they go to polling stations to elect either John McCain or Barack Obama to be the next president of the United States.

In Philadelphia, FOX News' Rick Leventhal received a report from Republican poll watcher Chris Hill that two Black Panthers had stationed themselves at the door to a polling station and were intimidating voters. One held a nightstick, Hill said.

Hill told FOX News that he went to talk to the men, and they told him white power didn't rule there.

The man reportedly carrying a nightstick was escorted away from the polling station by police. Outside, FOX News found another Black Panther who said he was a certified observer. Police asked him and the FOX News crew to leave the polling station.

As of noon, FOXNews.com had received complaints from voters around the country that polling stations were not prepared, that voting lists were inaccurate and some voters were worried when they were asked to cast paper ballots instead of using voting machines.

Gregory Holden reported that the voting list at his polling station in Lugoff, S.C., had problems. "Many people who have always voted in this precinct are all of a sudden not on the roll," he said. "They only have five machines and there are about 300 people in line. People are so discouraged some are leaving," he wrote.

Francesca Lourdes, in Maryland, said that she voted with three others, and the polling station where their official voter registration cards told them to vote didn't have them on the registers. She said they had to cast provisional ballots.

Watchdog groups and government officials are telling FOXNews.com that voters are reporting a range of problems and that some polling places aren't able to handle the expected record turnout.

According to Wendy Weisner, of the Brennan Center for Justice and non-partisan watchdog group Election Protection Center, the group has been receiving calls from voters experiencing problems with machine breakdowns around the country.

In Virginia, there are reports from more than 40 polling stations that election officials don't have paper ballots to distribute when electronic machines break down.

In Pittsburgh and Philadelphia there are reports from voters of machines breaking down and no emergency paper ballots being distributed.

Voters in Palm Beach County, Fla., are reporting that optical scan machines are breaking down.

An increasing number of problems are being reported with voting machines in Dayton, Ohio.

Election Protection had fielded more than 12,000 calls nationwide by 9 a.m., the group reported.

In New York City, voters began lining up as early as 4 a.m. ET, even though polls didn't open until 6 a.m., said Valerie Vazquez-Rivera, a spokeswoman for the city's Board of Elections.

"We have a system that is traditionally set up for low turnout," said Tova Wang of the government watchdog group Common Cause. "We're going to have all these new voters, but not a lot of new resources. The election directors just have very little to work with."

Polls along the East Coast opened at 6 a.m. and by 8 a.m. one polling station in Atlanta had already run out of paper ballots, according to Clare Schexnyder, media spokeswoman for Georgia Election Protection, a non-partisan watchdog group.

"We had one location [in Atlanta] where all of the machines went down this morning and they didn't come back up until 8:08 a.m. They had problems with cards kicking out and a voter not getting a chance to vote," Schexnyder said.

About 2 million of Georgia's 5 million voters had cast ballots in early voting, she said, but that still leaves 3 million potential voters hitting the polls on Election Day.

An election protection volunteer helped that voter cast her ballot, she said, but there were up to 100 voters in line at one point, waiting while the six machines were down. "They were voting with paper ballots during the time they were down and they ran out of paper ballots and had to switch to provisional ballots. They are provisional ballots that will be counted, but there was craziness at that one polling place."

Virginia has also had its share of election mishaps, although the state is not yet reporting any incidences of fraud or voter intimidation.

Voters are turning out to the polls in record numbers in spite of the weather, according to Susan Pollard, a spokeswoman for the State Board of Elections. "Although a light rain is falling across the state, it does not seem to have dampened turn-out. Lines have been reported at some polling places; however, voting is proceeding quickly at many others."

The rain is causing an unexpected problem -- wet ballots don't feed properly into optical scan machines.

"Poll workers are setting the wet ballots aside and drying them out and asking voters to dry off before they handle the ballots.To make sure you don't have any problem with your ballot going through the optical scanner, be sure to dry your hands before completing your ballot," Pollard said. "All votes will be counted."

Three of the state's 2,349 polling stations opened late, two due to human error. One, at a library in Richmond, opened 25 minutes late because the librarian with the keys to the building overslept.

While the North Virginia suburb of Arlington has had one wet ballot issue, so far county registrar Linda Lindberg describes voting as "smooth sailing." She said 8,000 absentee ballots were sent to troops in Afghanistan and will be counted as a separate group "hopefully before midnight."

To assure that every voter gets a chance to cast a ballot, the Department of Justice's Civil Rights Division has sent more than 800 monitors to 59 jurisdictions in 23 states.

Several have had problems in the past with minority voters or with providing personnel at polling stations where Spanish or Native American languages are spoken.

In Cuyahoga County, Ohio, where the Feds have sent election monitors, voters reported 58 problems voting to OurVoteLive.org.

In Ohio's Franklin County, Board of Elections spokesman Ben Piscitelli said officials again were dealing with typical glitches. "We're taking care of things like that," Piscitelli said. "But there's nothing major or systemic."

Schexnyder, from Georgia Election Protection, said she doesn't expect the problems voters are reporting to keep them from casting their ballots, although many will wait.

"We'll probably see problems all day as we see long lines, and any times you have computers connected to the equation, I think that every computer glitch we have is going to create longer lines," Schexnyder said.
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/11/04/broken-machines-shortages-plague-voters-country/

[clean]

I voted. I'm done. We can all move on now.

BTW, this was the first time I ever voted where I had to stand in line. Seems alot of people want to get free starbucks.

[xav]

CNN just reported and showed some scuffles between partisans waiting in line at a polling station.

[Rilence]

CNN just reported and showed some scuffles between partisans waiting in line at a polling station.

I bet they did.

I'm proudly not voting for either of these politicians.

[jupiter]

vote for CHANGEp-) ;) What change?

[Fargin]

I guess most people just want to get it over with. And then there's some hoping for an excuse to either pillage their local WallMart for Nike's and loot the local liquor store or to protect it prancing around in their mail-order tigerstripes and assault rifles.

[clean]

I guess most people just want to get it over with. And then there's some hoping for an excuse to either pillage their local WallMart for Nike's and loot the local liquor store or to protect it prancing around in their mail-order tigerstripes and assault rifles.

Airsofters can vote?!?!?

[jupiter]

With all the money Nobama is(was)expending, I may think he is buying the White House.

[seraosha]

I enjoyed casting my vote.













Last Thursday.

[clean]

With all the money Nobama is(was)expending, I may think he is buying the White House.
Is this your first election?

[Firefly26]

With all the money Nobama is(was)expending, I may think he is buying the White House.

Yeah I definitely think alot of records have been broken fundraising wise here, and that campaign finance reform really needs to be brought back into the spotlight for fair elections. Putin once said something like in America he who has the most money wins, as opposed to who talks loudest, and I think alot of Obama's advantage in the spread of his message was leveraged with the massive funding he has to control all grassroots like this. His articulation does help alot, but I think if he were limited to 84 million like McCain, the tables would be more even and McCain's campaign would not have to resort to these Ayers/Wright attacks.

[Euroamerican]

What change?


Not all change is good.

[vryhpyammoadded]

I’ve got to admit that the precinct here in Florida where I voted really had its act together when compared to the several past elections I’ve participated in with other states over the decades. Everything was well prepared, the machinery worked flawlessly, the ballots all passed the five year old test and people are passing through quickly.

There is a huge on going, civilized turnout by both Obama and McCain supporters and so far it’s all smooth sailing although the pollers already look exhausted. I don’t think they expected this big a showing.

[jupiter]

Is this your first election?
Afirmative, first one.

[jupiter]

Not all change is good.
That's what i'm saying. Just because a change is required badly, you don't go blindfolded.

[jupiter]

Yeah I definitely think alot of records have been broken fundraising wise here, and that campaign finance reform really needs to be brought back into the spotlight for fair elections. Putin once said something like in America he who has the most money wins, as opposed to who talks loudest, and I think alot of Obama's advantage in the spread of his message was leveraged with the massive funding he has to control all grassroots like this. His articulation does help alot, but I think if he were limited to 84 million like McCain, the tables would be more even and McCain's campaign would not have to resort to these Ayers/Wright attacks.
Money from contributors and sponsors in the dark shoudn't be allowed by law. The law here needs a change.

[vryhpyammoadded]

I guess most people just want to get it over with. And then there's some hoping for an excuse to either pillage their local WallMart for Nike's and loot the local liquor store or to protect it prancing around in their mail-order tigerstripes and assault rifles.
Blast! Thanks for reminding me. I’ve got to pick up a nice bottle of something good from the liquor store to toast my new masters health before the pillaging hoards strike!

[Euroamerican]

Blast! Thanks for reminding me. I’ve got to pick up a nice bottle of something good from the liquor store to toast my new masters health before the pillaging hoards strike!

And some ammunition, blankets, a fire extinguisher, a rape whistle...

And.... a battery powered radio, some fuel for a coleman stove, a coleman stove, some MRES...

[clean]

Afirmative, first one.

Not picking on you, but all elections, for as long as I can remember, come down to who's spending the most money and where. JFK's campaign did it beautifully in 1960.

[BAF]

hey guys,

any word yet on who is winning? or is it to early to say?

[clean]

Blast! Thanks for reminding me. I’ve got to pick up a nice bottle of something good from the liquor store to toast my new masters health before the pillaging hoards strike!

Ah, don't sweat it. As I see it, if Obama wins, I can finally blame "the man" for keeping me down and raising my taxes.

[clean]

hey guys,

any word yet on who is winning? or is it to early to say?

They keep the lid on votes counted until the west coast of the US votes. So as not to sway the PST crowd.

[BAF]

They keep the lid on votes counted until the west coast of the US votes. So as not to sway the PST crowd.


i see, okay then. thanks for responding :)

[Euroamerican]

hey guys,

any word yet on who is winning? or is it to early to say?

Don't expect to hear anything definitive regarding State by State PREDICTIONS until around 7 to 9 PM Eastern Time, UTC-4 I think.

The Eastern Time Zone (ET) of the Western Hemisphere (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Hemisphere) falls mostly along the east coast of North America (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_America) and the west coast of South America (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_America). Its time offset (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_offset) is -5 hrs GMT (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GMT) or UTC-5 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UTC-5) during standard time (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_time) and UTC-4 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UTC-4) during daylight saving time (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daylight_saving_time)

[Skutatos]

Im hoping McCain wins but I dont think he will. Im willing to give Obama a chance, but as soon as he starts ****ing things up, I have every right to behave like the democrats have the last 8 years.

[szr]

Ya, the exit poll data is being tightly controlled, this election, until the pacific coasters have had most of the day to vote because there's evidence that early exit poll data coming out of the east can sway late voters on the west coast.

[Createdeemcee]

Got my little sticker , And other great stuff at the polls.


Im hoping McCain wins but I dont think he will. Im willing to give Obama a chance, but as soon as he starts ****ing things up, I have every right to behave like the democrats have the last 8 years.


Yes you do. As will I.

[BAF]

Don't expect to hear anything definitive regarding State by State PREDICTIONS until around 7 to 9 PM Eastern Time, UTC-4 I think.

The Eastern Time Zone (ET) of the Western Hemisphere (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Hemisphere) falls mostly along the east coast of North America (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_America) and the west coast of South America (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_America). Its time offset (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_offset) is -5 hrs GMT (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GMT) or UTC-5 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UTC-5) during standard time (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_time) and UTC-4 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UTC-4) during daylight saving time (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daylight_saving_time)


believe it or not, our news stations will begin transmitting about the USA elections from 6 o'clock in the morning :p they just said it on the news.

[szr]

Got my little sticker , And other great stuff at the polls.They giving out gift baskets at the polls, now??

[clean]

They giving out gift baskets at the polls, now??
Little flags, mini bottles of champange, some nice cheeses and tickets to the Van Halen reunion concert.

[jupiter]

Not picking on you, but all elections, for as long as I can remember, come down to who's spending the most money and where. JFK's campaign did it beautifully in 1960.
And I allways believed that ideas and no money is the central point in any election! How on earth I can be so wrong?p-)

[clean]

And I allways believed that ideas and no money is the central point in any election! How on earth I can be so wrong?p-)

Perhaps you're not on earth.

[Euroamerican]

believe it or not, our news stations will begin transmitting about the USA elections from 6 o'clock in the morning :p they just said it on the news.

So around midnight or 1 AM Pacific time (California). By then it should really be interesting.

[szr]

We don't get jack in NYC. I want an "I Voted" button and a little American flag.

[jupiter]

Perhaps you're not on earth.
But don't tell anybody!:)

[szr]

Exit poll data is going to start getting leaked right after 5pm, EST. They'll start calling east coast states as early as 7pm (possibly Virginia) and they will probably project winners in a bunch of big ones like Pennsylvania at 8pm.

[loganinkosovo]

Don't expect to hear anything definitive regarding State by State PREDICTIONS until around 7 to 9 PM Eastern Time, UTC-4 I think.

The Eastern Time Zone (ET) of the Western Hemisphere (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Hemisphere) falls mostly along the east coast of North America (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_America) and the west coast of South America (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_America). Its time offset (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_offset) is -5 hrs GMT (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GMT) or UTC-5 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UTC-5) during standard time (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_time) and UTC-4 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UTC-4) during daylight saving time (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daylight_saving_time)


Hell, with all the Main Stream Media Lies over the past year I wouldn't believe a count until friday night or later.

[Euroamerican]

Hell, with all the Main Stream Media Lies over the past year I wouldn't believe a count until friday night or later.


I agree with you. I think it will be longer than that even if there are challenges.

[Zoomie]

Exit poll data is going to start getting leaked right after 5pm, EST. They'll start calling east coast states as early as 7pm (possibly Virginia) and they will probably project winners in a bunch of big ones like Pennsylvania at 8pm.
Data, my foot. I can produce the same amount of data without going to the polls. I just don't get why people follow these bogus numbers so closely, when all you have to do is wait a little longer for the real numbers.

[Thor]

I hope the GOP does a good job in monitoring/challenging irregularities in the battleground states.

Obama will stop for nothing.

[Euroamerican]

Data, my foot. I can produce the same amount of data without going to the polls. I just don't get why people follow these bogus numbers so closely, when all you have to do is wait a little longer for the real numbers.

I agree. It's like a race. Everyone wants to sit back with a glass of something (beer or wine or bubbly) and cheer for their team.

[szr]

Data, my foot. I can produce the same amount of data without going to the polls. I just don't get why people follow these bogus numbers so closely, when all you have to do is wait a little longer for the real numbers.Same reason people like to get the day's weather forecast off the TV or radio rather than just waiting for it to rain. People like to be ahead of the curve or have some perceived edge.

The best reason I can think of to not bother with all the coverage, tonight, is that unfortunately this election is going to be rather anti-climactic. We'll probably know that Obama won by the time they call Florida. And it probably won't even be close like it was in 2000, but I hope I'm wrong.

[Winger]

Same reason people like to get the day's weather forecast off the TV or radio rather than just waiting for it to rain. People like to be ahead of the curve or have some perceived edge.

The best reason I can think of to not bother with all the coverage, tonight, is that unfortunately this election is going to be rather anti-climactic. We'll probably know that Obama won by the time they call Florida. And it probably won't even be close like it was in 2000, but I hope I'm wrong.

States to keep an eye on just to boil it down:
Ohio, Viriginia, NC & Florida. If any of these get called for Obama you can bet the networks will call the race at that time.

[Zoomie]

People voting twice in GA:
http://www.wsbtv.com/video/17878347/index.html

[vryhpyammoadded]

And some ammunition, blankets, a fire extinguisher, a rape whistle... And.... a battery powered radio, some fuel for a coleman stove, a coleman stove, some MRES...
Naw, I’ve already got way more than that plus already sand bagged revetments left over from the financial pocyplix that turned out to be a bust. Oh wait, almost forgot to release the bucket of diamondbacks and moccasins into the approaches. p-)

Seriously though, my neighbors and I intend on a nice election night barbeque, partying, getting liquored up and possibly skipping work tomorrow. There should be around a dozen plus people of various races, religions, nationality and party affiliation attending. I expect a great night! We also have about $600 in a betting pool with some fun options I insisted on should something funky happen ;)

[Euroamerican]

Naw, I’ve already got way more than that plus already sand bagged revetments left over from the financial pocyplix that turned out to be a bust. Oh wait, almost forgot to release the bucket of diamondbacks and moccasins into the approaches. p-)

Seriously though, my neighbors and I intend on a nice election night barbeque, partying, getting liquored up and possibly skipping work tomorrow. There should be around a dozen plus people of various races, religions, nationality and party affiliation attending. I expect a great night! We also have about $600 in a betting pool with some fun options I insisted on should something funky happen ;)

I hope it will be all civilized myself. In fact, we should expect that it will be. Kids are watching on TV and I hope they don't have to see bad stuff.

[Kilgor]

McCain: 'I will never let you down' (http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2008/11/04/sot.mccain.prescott.cnn)

Wat.

Yeah, kind of wish I had done an absentee ballot to avoid the lines today. Should be fun when I go this afternoon.

Never gonna let you down,
never gonna turn around,


For a outsider, which major news website has the best coverage ?

Right now im at CNN.

[Euroamerican]

Never gonna let you down,
never gonna turn around,


For a outsider, which major news website has the best coverage ?

Right now im at CNN.

Also on the web, google the network name and City name together and you will get links to local TV stations which may or may not have some live feeds or further details:

Example, "foxnews philadelphia" yields myfoxphilly.com for example.

I don't know about the regular TV channels on the TV itself, 'cause I'm at work.

[Horse Thief]

People have stooped to new lows.

The fake phone calls people are geting telling them the day or location of voting has changed.

The calls in spanish Cuban Americans are getting about Fidel Castro and Chavez being best friends with Obama.

Idiots saying Obama poisoned his grandmother with cynide to get sympathy vote.

Pathetic. Not to mention way too late. McCain sure ran the "honorable" campaign he promised. This is one of the biggest reasons alot of people ditched him, at least according to all the mail CNN gets. He seems to have abandoned his past way of carrying himself and just let his team of vultures run rampant with every pathetic trick in the book. I don't think he personaly even likes half of the things he's doing.

[tbk107]

Can anyone tell me how lines and wait times are allowed to be this long year after year? You would think this was the first time you guys had held an election. Has no one thought to open more polling stations. The lines I'm seeing on the news are absolutely ridiculous. I have never waited more then five minutes to cast a vote. Granted Canada has a much smaller number of voters but you guys should be able to scale up to meet your needs.


Also, whats with the wonky electronic voting machines? I use bank atms and interac debit terminals daily and they never screw up; I don't hit $100 and they spit out $1,000. My home computer seems more reliable then these machines some of your states use. Pathetic

Maybe it's time for the U.S. to go back to a tried and true system; paper and pencil and mark an X beside your candidate of choice.

[LineDoggie]

People have stooped to new lows.

The fake phone calls people are geting telling them the day or location of voting has changed.

The calls in spanish Cuban Americans are getting about Fidel Castro and Chavez being best friends with Obama.

Idiots saying Obama poisoned his grandmother with cynide to get sympathy vote.

Pathetic. Not to mention way too late. McCain sure ran the "honorable" campaign he promised. This is one of the biggest reasons alot of people ditched him, at least according to all the mail CNN gets. He seems to have abandoned his past way of carrying himself and just let his team of vultures run rampant with every pathetic trick in the book. I don't think he personaly even likes half of the things he's doing.

Umm, yeah :roll: Like we didnt hear McCain started the USS Forrestal Fire, we didnt hear that he was either the Manchurian Candidate or Mentally Incapacitated by his experience. We didnt hear that he wants to have Troops fighting for 100 years in Iraq, we didnt hear that He was to Blame for the Wall Street Fiasco. We didnt hear that he wasnt a Citizen, We didnt hear that did we?:bash:

[szr]

Can anyone tell me how lines and wait times are allowed to be this long year after year? You would think this was the first time you guys had held an election. Has no one thought to open more polling stations. The lines I'm seeing on the news are absolutely ridiculous. I have never waited more then five minutes to cast a vote. Granted Canada has a much smaller number of voters but you guys should be able to scale up to meet your needs.They're only going to show the polling stations where things are going wrong. Took me all of 3 minutes to go into my local polling station, cast my votes, and leave.



Also, whats with the wonky electronic voting machines? I use bank atms and interac debit terminals daily and they never screw up; I don't hit $100 and they spit out $1,000. My home computer seems more reliable then these machines some of your states use. PatheticI've dealt with more than one wonky ATM.


Maybe it's time for the U.S. to go back to a tried and true system; paper and pencil and mark an X beside your candidate of choice.We'd still be waiting past the New Year to know who won.

I'm fond of the old mechanical machines we use in New York.

http://img393.imageshack.us/img393/1945/votingmachine9698b62jh9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/5124/ballot200696e21a3dd9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


Enter the booth, pull the big red lever to the right, turn the knobs that correspond to your choices, pull the big red lever to the left. You're done.

[LineDoggie]

Can anyone tell me how lines and wait times are allowed to be this long year after year? You would think this was the first time you guys had held an election. Has no one thought to open more polling stations. The lines I'm seeing on the news are absolutely ridiculous. I have never waited more then five minutes to cast a vote. Granted Canada has a much smaller number of voters but you guys should be able to scale up to meet your needs.


Also, whats with the wonky electronic voting machines? I use bank atms and interac debit terminals daily and they never screw up; I don't hit $100 and they spit out $1,000. My home computer seems more reliable then these machines some of your states use. Pathetic

Maybe it's time for the U.S. to go back to a tried and true system; paper and pencil and mark an X beside your candidate of choice. Queens , NY wait was 10 minutes at Lunchtime today at My Polling Place (PS107Q) No Problems, No Muss, No Fuss. We had translators for the Korean, Chinese, Spanish residents. Machine was the old throw lever version

[Horse Thief]

Umm, yeah :roll: Like we didnt hear McCain started the USS Forrestal Fire, we didnt hear that he was either the Manchurian Candidate or Mentally Incapacitated by his experience. We didnt hear that he wants to have Troops fighting for 100 years in Iraq, we didnt hear that He was to Blame for the Wall Street Fiasco. We didnt hear that he wasnt a Citizen, We didnt hear that did we?:bash:
It's hillarious you compare any of those to OBAMA POSIONING HIS GRANDMA TO DEATH.

Kind of a mismatch huh?

The other two you are actual defending? Some uknown people telling people the place and date of voting has changed? You know that's illigeal right?

And whatever anyone else brought up about McCain, Obama certinly didn't say he was too old or senile. And if he did, how does that excuse McCain going back on his promise "of a honorable campaign" and his past character, which was much better then this. Kind of a "well if the other guy is scum, I guess I'ma become one too now".

Eveyrone noticed. It's no accident.

[Snoshi]

So when will first result come in?

[Macs.]

http://img393.imageshack.us/img393/1945/votingmachine9698b62jh9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Enter the booth, pull the big red lever to the right, turn the knobs that correspond to your choices, pull big red lever to the left. You're done.

What the... You are voting on Robocops Great-Grandmother ? You are sure this is 2008 ?

[Zoomie]

Premarked ballots for Obama are appearing:


At least two Spanish-language ballots were pre-marked for Barack Obama at a rural Oakdale precinct Tuesday morning, causing election officials to confiscate and inspect all the blank ballots.
“I consider this extremely serious,” said Lee Lundrigan, Stanislaus County clerk and registrar of voters. “We’ve sent an additional person to the precinct, and everyone is now watching each other.”
The incident happened about 9:20 a.m. at the River Oak Grace Community Church polling place on Rodden Road just north of Oakdale.
Hector Parra, who doesn’t speak English, was handed a Spanish-language ballot, which he took to the voting station. A moment later, he went to the precinct workers seeking help. Since there was no designated translator working at the time, the precinct’s staff asked if anyone in the crowded room could speak Spanish.
Sylvia Moreno volunteered to translate, and she said Parra didn’t understand why the ballot he was given had been marked.
“He was going to vote for Obama, but it was already filled in for Obama,” Moreno said. “He just wondered why.”
Moreno explained the problem to precinct workers, who then took Parra’s ballot and put it among the “spoiled” ballots. Parra then was handed a second Spanish-language ballot.
“It was marked for Obama, too. It truly was,” said Moreno, who witnessed the fresh ballot being handed from the precinct worker to Parra in the middle of the room.



Source (http://www.modbee.com/breakingnews/story/487052.html)

[Kilgor]

I just hope the result (either way) is so obvious that it doesnt get messy and go to the courts.

[tbk107]

I've dealt with more than one wonky ATM.

We'd still be waiting past the New Year to know who won.

I'm fond of the old mechanical machines we use in New York.



Why would you wait long? The polls close and the reps from the respective parties count the ballots from the boxes at their tables. Takes a matter of hours and there isn't as much room for problems like hanging chads and such.


Your point about them only showing the polling stations with long lines makes sense. The fact that there are any lines like I've seen though is an absolute disgrace.

[LineDoggie]

It's hillarious you compare any of those to OBAMA POSIONING HIS GRANDMA TO DEATH.

Kind of a mismatch huh?


You dont think insinuating John McCain caused a Fire which Killed 134 & Burned 161 US Sailors isnt a Special Dispicable act?


Forget there is Video which shows Mcain sitting in his aircraft while the Rocket hits the plane next to him.

much better to cowardly claim he was responsible, right?:bash:

[LineDoggie]

What the... You are voting on Robocops Great-Grandmother ? You are sure this is 2008 ?
Used the same style machine today, works with no problems

[szr]

What the... You are voting on Robocops Great-Grandmother ? You are sure this is 2008 ?It's the kalashnikov of voting machines. You could submerge it in mud and it'd still accurately register your vote. I'm sure you can relate, Macs., when I say there's no other voting machine I'd rather have with me in the "sandbox".

[Moledet]

What the... You are voting on Robocops Great-Grandmother ? You are sure this is 2008 ?
We use papers, you have party names written on papers (you don't choose the PM) and you put the name in an envelope and put it in a box. But there are too many voters in the US for that.

[Horse Thief]

You dont think insinuating John McCain caused a Fire which Killed 134 & Burned 161 US Sailors isnt a Special Dispicable act?


Forget there is Video which shows Mcain sitting in his aircraft while the Rocket hits the plane next to him.

much better to cowardly claim he was responsible, right?:bash:
Why are you talking to me as if I claimed those things about him? You're talking to me all personal and hostile as if it's my fault and I spat in your food.

Yes that stuff is bad. Still not as bad as poisoning your grandmother with cynide to win. Few things can be worse then that. Also I said "people" are sinking to new lows. People includes everyone.

My point was the phone call stuff going on lying to people is just despicable and pathetic. And illigeal in the case of lying about location and date to trick them not to vote.

If you dissagree with that, I don't know what the hell to tell you.

And for me personaly, McCain has lost the little respect I had for him before. I respect his POW stuff but that's in the past and completly irrelevant in a presidental race. But don't worry my opinion is worthless since I can't vote, I'm not in the United States :)

[Skutatos]

One of the best I've heard was that John McCain was a ****ty "soldier" because he got captured.

[LineDoggie]

One of the best I've heard was that John McCain was a ****ty "soldier" because he got captured.
Yep, seen that one as well, and your forgetting the ever Popular, "McCain was/is a War Criminal/Baby Killer, etc." for his service in Vietnam.

[alexz]

Live results show McCain leading. How reliable is this site?

http://www.politico.com/electionmap2008/index.html#map

[Skutatos]

Yep, seen that one as well, and your forgetting the ever Popular, "McCain was/is a War Criminal/Baby Killer, etc." for his service in Vietnam.

That one pisses my father off to no end. He was in the USAF and worked at a military hospital in Germany during the war and saw plenty of wounded and what they had to endure. He also had to deal with all the same garbage from anti-war folks as the rest of the military, and he can't believe people are still making those accusations.

[Skutatos]

Live results show McCain leading. How reliable is this site?

http://www.politico.com/electionmap2008/index.html#map

I dunno, but its electoral votes that matter and not the popular vote.

[Moledet]

I dunno, but its electoral votes that matter and not the popular vote.
It's right according to CNN
http://edition.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/president/

P.S. it's just two states.

[alexz]

I dunno, but its electoral votes that matter and not the popular vote.

True dat. We know all about the Albert Gore's strory.

McCain won Ky and Obam won Vermont (shocking).

[Skutatos]

Whats interesting is how close some normally republican states are, like OH, IN, etc

[Zoomie]

Whats interesting is how close some normally republican states are, like OH, IN, etc
Ohio was close last election.

[xav]

WTF Anybody watching CNN now? They pulled a Star Wars!!! LOL Hologram wtf?

[shocker1]

WTF Anybody watching CNN now? They pulled a Star Wars!!! LOL Hologram wtf?
Oh man, I see some adult entertainment potential.

[Skutatos]

WTF Anybody watching CNN now? They pulled a Star Wars!!! LOL Hologram wtf?

What the hell? I had to change the channel to see what you were talking about(I watch FOX for Brit Hume, he seems alright.), kinda lame really, what was the point?

[xav]

"Help me Wolf Blitzer, you’re my only hope" lol

Cool... but I don't think he actually sees an Hologram in front of him, I think they just "add" the hologram to the signal for the viewers...

[La8pv]

I bet John Stewart is going to have a ball with that.

[xav]

What the hell? I had to change the channel to see what you were talking about(I watch FOX for Brit Hume, he seems alright.), kinda lame really, what was the point?

Well, they had one of their reporter "beamed" in their studio as an Hologram... and they kept saying it was a first on live TV etc...

[Skutatos]

"Help me Wolf Blitzer, you’re my only hope" lol

Cool... but I don't think he actually sees an Hologram in front of him, I think they just "add" the hologram to the signal for the viewers...

Yup, thats what I would guess.

[shocker1]

"Help me Wolf Blitzer, you’re my only hope" lol

Cool... but I don't think he actually sees an Hologram in front of him, I think they just "add" the hologram to the signal for the viewers...
If that is the case there are much cheaper methods and it kills my **** idea.

[Skutatos]

If that is the case there are much cheaper methods and it kills my **** idea.

The **** idea was good though. Maybe you should start work on it.

[xav]

If that is the case there are much cheaper methods and it kills my **** idea.

Hologram **** would be the most FRUSTRATING thing ever... :)

[La8pv]

I see a lot of fat people in Chicagorofl

[Skutatos]

I see a lot of fat people in Chicagorofl

I can't see Chicago behind all the fat people.

[xav]

It seems like all the international press went to Chicago, where Obama is supposed to give a speech tonight...

What are they gonna do if Mc Cain wins? :)

[KET]

What are they gonna do if Mc Cain wins? :)

They're gonna go back home.

[LineDoggie]

Hologram **** would be the most FRUSTRATING thing ever... :) not to mention cleaning the studio afterwards

[ren0312]

It seems like all the international press went to Chicago, where Obama is supposed to give a speech tonight...

What are they gonna do if Mc Cain wins? :)

Looks like Obama is goiing to win Florida by a landslide, there goes the call center jobs and free trade agreements.:-(

[Bia]

Paper record and optically scanned...

I feel comfortable with my local process.

I did have to... show ID. For me that is acceptable, we all should have photo ID it's only 15 dollars

http://i322.photobucket.com/albums/nn437/biaaib/nov42008.jpg

[Horse Thief]

Yep, seen that one as well, and your forgetting the ever Popular, "McCain was/is a War Criminal/Baby Killer, etc." for his service in Vietnam.

Thnakfuly hippies are mostly extinct!

[xav]

CNN projects Obama wins New Jersey, Illinois, Connecticut; McCain takes South Carolina, Oklahoma, Tennessee.

[loganinkosovo]

Well, they had one of their reporter "beamed" in their studio as an Hologram... and they kept saying it was a first on live TV etc...

So....wouldn't that be a In-The-Tank Hackogram?

[Invisigoth]

MSNBC calls PA for Obama, Florida is a goner for McCain aswell, Indiana is not looking good for the GOP camp either.

Time to spark the first cigar.

[loganinkosovo]

Premarked ballots for Obama are appearing:

All ready pulled off the site and hidden right along with the LA Times tape. :)

[loganinkosovo]

MSNBC calls PA for Obama, Florida is a goner for McCain aswell, Indiana is not looking good for the GOP camp either.

Time to spark the first cigar.

Don't believe a word of it.....especially as it is PMSNBC reporting it.

[Invisigoth]

All ready pulled off the site and hidden right along with the LA Times tape. :)

McCains campaign already producing the post-loss narrative, cute. :roll: Watch the smackdown about to be delivered to the GOP.

[clean]

This is better than the BCS.

[IMTT]

Fox wants Obama to win, think about it. Their veiwership will double overnight. It's the same if Bush or when any Republican wins as compared to all the remaining American media. Just think who specifically is repsonsible for all the problems with America today? You know come on, Bush! He alone screwed up our economy, the world and everything about America.

[Invisigoth]

Fox wants Obama to win, think about it. Their veiwership will double overnight. It's the same if Bush or when any Republican wins as compared to all the remaining American media. Just think who specifically is repsonsible for all the problems with America today? You know come on, Bush! He alone screwed up our economy, the world and everything about America.

Yeah thats why Fox became the least viewed channel when Bush won..oh wait..no. Your logic and humor are, as always, impeccable!

[BearInBunnySuit]

Fox wants Obama to win, think about it. Their veiwership will double overnight. It's the same if Bush or when any Republican wins as compared to all the remaining American media. Just think who specifically is repsonsible for all the problems with America today? You know come on, Bush! He alone screwed up our economy, the world and everything about America.

You must think Bush is omnipotent if he did all that.

[Invisigoth]

Lets not forget the downticket races here, so far Warner and Shaheen and it looks like Dole is about to eat Schmidt for her godless(ly stupid) ad in NC.

[xav]

Fox News projects OBAMA WINS PENN

It is gonna be hard for Mc Cain now

[xav]

CNN Reports "Educated Voters voted massively for Obama" whatever that means :)

[Invisigoth]

Fox News projects OBAMA WINS PENN

It is gonna be hard for Mc Cain now

PA was a must win for McCain as they said. Very few combinations left for him to pull it out and exit polling in Ohio, as inaccurate as it may, aint looking too hot for him either.

New Hampshire just went to Obama, guess the people didnt love McCains townhalls as much as he did.

[BearInBunnySuit]

We can finally retire 'the Bradley effect' from America's political lexicon for good.

[Pook2]

I don't trust any election, voting fraud is so rampant.

[xav]

Some of the CNN political strategists are already calling it the end for Mc Cain.

[Chulo]

CNN Reports "Educated Voters voted massively for Obama" whatever that means :)
means only gun loving bible thumping bitter illiterate rednecks vote for McCain, if you say otherwise, you are racist

[Bia]

means only gun loving bible thumping bitter illiterate rednecks vote for McCain, if you say otherwise, you are racistI love guns.
I grew up embracing the bible... I am quite, a Florida redneck.

Must be illiterate part that saved me.

:P

[Invisigoth]

means only gun loving bible thumping bitter illiterate rednecks vote for McCain, if you say otherwise, you are racist

Glad to see you are finally catching up to reality, commendable!

Btw, I would love to laugh in Kristols face right now for pushing Palin like he did. Hillary voters went almost entirely to Obama, big and beautiful FU. woot

[Skutatos]

Thnakfuly hippies are mostly extinct!

Been to the west coast lately? Thats where they all seem to have settled, and now they have offspring. Here in Bellingham, Washington there are young hippies even, bad hair, body odor, lack of shaving, horrible clothing, horrible singing voices and awful dancing all included.

[Kilgor]

I love guns.
I grew up embracing the bible... I am quite, a Florida redneck.

Must be illiterate part that saved me.

:P

Are you out on your porch in a rocking chair polishing your shotgun ?

[LaoSexMachine]

means only gun loving bible thumping bitter illiterate rednecks vote for McCain, if you say otherwise, you are racist
I heart guns but I voted for Obama.

[TDuck]

CNN Reports "Educated Voters voted massively for Obama" whatever that means :)
"So nows thay is got some thar eduamicated peoples up there abouts?"

[LRPV]

I heart guns but I voted for Obama.

You may regret that.....:-(

[Skutatos]

means only gun loving bible thumping bitter illiterate rednecks vote for McCain, if you say otherwise, you are racist

It means those who went through the liberal training process, overwhelmingly voted left, how overwhelmingly surprising. However, I am educated as well and voted for McCain.

Just look at the number of Professors who donated money to Obama, as opposed to McCain, its something like a 12 to 1 margin. Many of the old hippies never got off their asses and got real jobs and became professors instead. I think anyone else on this forum could agree, no matter their political leaning, that college is overwhelmingly liberal, and many professors have no problem forcing their views on their students.

[Red]

I voted for Barack Obama. If he wins, I'm going to watch Faux News just to see the faces.

[Invisigoth]

I voted for Barack Obama. If he wins, I'm going to watch Faux News just to see the faces.

Oh yeah, watch the GOP internal mauling thats gonna take place. Just read some Steve Schmidt remarks and hes already busy throwing Palin under the bus. Its gonna be beautiful.

[Skutatos]

Oh yeah, watch the GOP internal mauling thats gonna take place. Just read some Steve Schmidt remarks and hes already busy throwing Palin under the bus. Its gonna be beautiful.


An Internal mauling would be a good thing for republicans.

[Red]

Oh yeah, watch the GOP internal mauling thats gonna take place. Just read some Steve Schmidt remarks and hes already busy throwing Palin under the bus. Its gonna be beautiful.

I just HOPE that they don't let the extreme fringe take over. I hope they move closer to the center.

[Red]

The Senate races are really hotting up.

[Skutatos]

I just HOPE that they don't let the extreme fringe take over. I hope they move closer to the center.

Since the democrat extreme fringe has been taking over, Republicans will move center to take back house, senate, and white house, then Democrats will move more center, and republicans more extreme, over and over and over again, thats how it happens.

[Invisigoth]

I just HOPE that they don't let the extreme fringe take over. I hope they move closer to the center.
Unfortunately I dont think thats whats gonna happen, but you never know.

Crap, CNN projects McConnell survived in Kentucky. poopers.

[Kilgor]

I just HOPE that they don't let the extreme fringe take over. I hope they move closer to the center.

I have doubts, they need their religious right, one reason Palin was chosen. However she is very offensive to swinging voters.

[beNder]

Yeah, this election will go down as a major blunder for McCain, chosen Palin.

[Parx400]

Obama won Ohio. Election is over.

[xav]

I voted for Barack Obama. If he wins, I'm going to watch Faux News just to see the faces.

My girlfriend is saying they will have no choice but to support Obama 'cause they are for the government no matter what :)

[CMNot]

Cool, BBC have Shama and John Bolton on at the moment. Not looking good for Mac. Shame he sold out his natural 'maverick' (read rebel) politics, he would have been good for America and the GOP to move the party back away from the philistines.

[Skutatos]

Well, Brit Hume on fox news is saying that it will be near impossible for McCain to get 270 Electoral Votes now. Now the Democrats are likely to respond by rubbing it in republican's faces for the next 2 years, which will probably backfire come the 2010 elections, as we have seen in previous elections.

[Invisigoth]

Obama won Ohio. Election is over.

CNN is about to call Ohio, Fox already did. Time to bid the team of Mavericks farewell. Au revoir.

[Thor]

A street agitator with a very shady past in the White House... People in general are too stupid and too gullable.

End of the American Era.

[gaijinsamurai]

I heart guns but I voted for Obama.

Same here.

[xav]

End of the American Era.

America is Back!

[Red]

Obama won Ohio. Election is over.

It has not been called yet.

[Skutatos]

A street agitator with a very shady past in the White House... People in general are too stupid and too gullable.

End of the American Era.

The love affair will end after he is in office, Im not expecting him to last a full 8 years.

[xav]

They just showed footage of the streets in Chicago.

People everywhere, tons and tons of people on the streets. Imagine Mc Cain pulls it! 1982 riots x 100

[Parx400]

It has not been called yet.

fox called it.

[Thor]

America is Back!
More like in total decline.

[Skutatos]

They just showed footage of the streets in Chicago.

People everywhere, tons and tons of people on the streets. Imagine Mc Cain pulls it! 1982 riots x 100

That would be fun to watch.

[Invisigoth]

They just showed footage of the streets in Chicago.

People everywhere, tons and tons of people on the streets. Imagine Mc Cain pulls it! 1982 riots x 100

Well expect some serious rioting among those elderly folks in McCains luxury hotel!

[gaijinsamurai]

You may regret that.....:-(

I'm not pleased about the implications of an Obama Presidency on my right to acquire more weapons or maintain my other gun rights, but I'd be far more upset at the thought of us getting further mired into the Iraqi mess, our economy going further into the toilet, and four years (or more) of being annoyed by Sarah Palin.

[Johnny_H02]

Thank you American people!
This turned out extremely well, I am relieved and delighted at the results.

[Kilgor]

I don't see how anyone can predict a Era of Obama decline, especially how Bush and Co have f*cked things up.

A stake must be driving through the heart of the religious right.

[Red]

F*ck you Joe the plumber.

[IMTT]

X2

There will be alot of very pissed off people tomorrow, and hopefully it will be the bible and gun polishers, and Ill be there watching it for the lulz

You just described the American colony population that fought the American revolution and made this country free. But then again who needs patriots.

I guess times have changed, I could say it will be funny to watch the heathens, gays and liberal whack jobs celebrate and possibly burn down their own cities. But then again folks like me will get called to put the looters in jail, stand on the street all night and keep the peace. The high side is the overtime and getting to put the boots to some moron that needs it.

Red,

I agree; Yea Joe the plumber, hand over the money that you earned honestly so Obama can give it to some crack head street bum. BTW Don't be mad now if you don't get eveything the brother promised. Don't start calling him a fraud, sell out or House guy.

[beNder]

Obama won Ohio. Election is over.

I don't know where they get that crap. It is up to the big electoral states like New York, California, Florida and a few others.

They have given New York to Obama and Cali will most likely go that way> Does not look good for McCain.

[Red]

You just described the American colony population that fought the American revolution and made this country free. But then again who needs patriots.

I guess times have changed, I could say it will be funny to watch the heathens, gays and liberal whack jobs celebrate and possibly burn down their own cities. But then again folks like me will get called to put the looters in jail, stand on the street all night and keep the peace. The high side is the overtime and getting to put the boots to some moron that needs it.

I've always wanted to say this to you but f8ck you.

[Invisigoth]

LOLz

dana bash: There is a very solemn mood here at McCains election party, they have actually turned off the news after PA was called.

John King: I cant get McCain to 270, i just cant.

[xav]

CNN is about to call Ohio, Fox already did. Time to bid the team of Mavericks farewell. Au revoir.

Wait for a couple of days... the Reps may still pull the Supreme Court card :) Then the real fun will start.

[Thor]

I don't see how anyone can predict a Era of Obama decline, especially how Bush and Co have f*cked things up.
Not an era of Obama decline, the definitive end of the American Era that probably peaked in the 1950's.

[beNder]

I voted for Barack Obama.

Shocking!!

[Kilgor]

You just described the American colony population that fought the American revolution and made this country free. But then again who needs patriots.

I guess times have changed, I could say it will be funny to watch the heathens, gays and liberal whack jobs celebrate and possibly burn down their own cities. But then again folks like me will get called to put the looters in jail, stand on the street all night and keep the peace. The high side is the overtime and getting to put the boots to some moron that needs it.

Red,

I agree; Yea Joe the plumber, hand over the money that you earned honestly so Obama can give it to some crack head street bum. BTW Don't be mad now if you don't get eveything the brother promised. Don't start calling him a fraud, sell out or House guy.

And what has Bush done to America ?

The republicans have been rightfully punished, what did they expect ?