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Kilo
01-24-2008, 04:46 AM
The worst market crisis in 60 years

By George Soros


Published: January 22 2008 19:57 | Last updated: January 22 2008 19:57

The current financial crisis (http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/604d71dc-c853-11dc-94a6-0000779fd2ac,dwp_uuid=d355f29c-d238-11db-a7c0-000b5df10621.html) was precipitated by a bubble in the US housing market. In some ways it resembles other crises that have occurred since the end of the second world war at intervals ranging from four to 10 years.

However, there is a profound difference: the current crisis marks the end of an era of credit expansion based on the dollar as the international reserve currency. The periodic crises were part of a larger boom-bust process. The current crisis is the culmination of a super-boom that has lasted for more than 60 years.

Boom-bust processes usually revolve around credit and always involve a bias or misconception. This is usually a failure to recognise a reflexive, circular connection between the willingness to lend and the value of the collateral. Ease of credit generates demand that pushes up the value of property, which in turn increases the amount of credit available. A bubble starts when people buy houses in the expectation that they can refinance their mortgages at a profit. The recent US housing boom is a case in point. The 60-year super-boom is a more complicated case.

Every time the credit expansion ran into trouble the financial authorities intervened, injecting liquidity and finding other ways to stimulate the economy. That created a system of asymmetric incentives also known as moral hazard, which encouraged ever greater credit expansion. The system was so successful that people came to believe in what former US president Ronald Reagan called the magic of the marketplace and I call market fundamentalism. Fundamentalists believe that markets tend towards equilibrium and the common interest is best served by allowing participants to pursue their self-interest. It is an obvious misconception, because it was the intervention of the authorities that prevented financial markets from breaking down, not the markets themselves. Nevertheless, market fundamentalism emerged as the dominant ideology in the 1980s, when financial markets started to become globalised and the US started to run a current account deficit.
Globalisation allowed the US to suck up the savings of the rest of the world and consume more than it produced. The US current account deficit reached 6.2 per cent of gross national product in 2006. The financial markets encouraged consumers to borrow by introducing ever more sophisticated instruments and more generous terms. The authorities aided and abetted the process by intervening whenever the global financial system was at risk. Since 1980, regulations have been progressively relaxed until they have practically disappeared.

The super-boom got out of hand when the new products became so complicated that the authorities could no longer calculate the risks and started relying on the risk management methods of the banks themselves. Similarly, the rating agencies relied on the information provided by the originators of synthetic products. It was a shocking abdication of responsibility.

Everything that could go wrong did. What started with subprime mortgages spread to all collateralised debt obligations, endangered municipal and mortgage insurance and reinsurance companies and threatened to unravel the multi-trillion-dollar credit default swap market. Investment banks’ commitments to leveraged buyouts became liabilities. Market-neutral hedge funds turned out not to be market-neutral and had to be unwound. The asset-backed commercial paper market came to a standstill and the special investment vehicles set up by banks to get mortgages off their balance sheets could no longer get outside financing.

The final blow came when interbank lending, which is at the heart of the financial system, was disrupted because banks had to husband their resources and could not trust their counterparties. The central banks had to inject an unprecedented amount of money and extend credit on an unprecedented range of securities to a broader range of institutions than ever before. That made the crisis more severe than any since the second world war.

Credit expansion must now be followed by a period of contraction, because some of the new credit instruments and practices are unsound and unsustainable. The ability of the financial authorities to stimulate the economy is constrained by the unwillingness of the rest of the world to accumulate additional dollar reserves. Until recently, investors were hoping that the US Federal Reserve would do whatever it takes to avoid a recession, because that is what it did on previous occasions. Now they will have to realise that the Fed may no longer be in a position to do so. With oil, food and other commodities firm, and the renminbi appreciating somewhat faster, the Fed also has to worry about inflation. If federal funds were lowered beyond a certain point, the dollar would come under renewed pressure and long-term bonds would actually go up in yield. Where that point is, is impossible to determine. When it is reached, the ability of the Fed to stimulate the economy comes to an end.
Although a recession in the developed world is now more or less inevitable, China, India and some of the oil-producing countries are in a very strong countertrend. So, the current financial crisis is less likely to cause a global recession than a radical realignment of the global economy, with a relative decline of the US and the rise of China and other countries in the developing world.

The danger is that the resulting political tensions, including US protectionism, may disrupt the global economy and plunge the world into recession or worse.


The writer is chairman of Soros Fund Management


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George Soros (****ounced (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:****unciation) /ˈsɔroʊs/ or /ˈsɔrəs/, Hungarian IPA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA): [ˈʃoroʃ]) (born August 12 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_12), 1930 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1930), in Budapest (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest), Hungary (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungary), as György Schwartz) is a Hungarian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungary)-born American (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States) financial speculator (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speculation), stock investor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stock_investor), philanthropist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philanthropist), and political activist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Activism).[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Soros#_note-0)

Currently, he is the chairman of Soros Fund Management (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soros_Fund_Management) and the Open Society Institute (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Society_Institute) and is also a former member of the Board of Directors of the Council on Foreign Relations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_on_Foreign_Relations). His support for the Solidarity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solidarity) labour movement in Poland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poland), as well as the Czechoslovak (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Czechoslovak) human rights (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights) organization Charter 77 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charter_77), contributed to ending Soviet Union (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union) political dominance in those countries.[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Soros#_note-1) His funding and organization of Georgia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_%28country%29)'s Rose Revolution (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rose_Revolution) was considered by Russian and Western (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_world) observers to have been crucial to its success, although Soros said his role has been "greatly exaggerated." In the United States, he is known for having donated large sums of money in a failed effort to defeat President George W. Bush (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Bush)'s bid for re-election in 2004. On BookTV (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BookTV), November 12 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_12), 2007 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007), he said that he supports Barack Obama (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama) for the Democratic candidate in the 2008 election, but says that John Edwards (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Edwards), Hillary Clinton (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton), or Joe Biden (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Biden) are all fine candidates, as well.
Soros is famously known for "breaking the Bank of England (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bank_of_England)" on Black Wednesday (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Wednesday) in 1992. With an estimated current (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/As_of_2007) net worth of around $8.5 billion, he is ranked by Forbes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forbes) as the 80th-richest person in the world (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_billionaires_%282007%29).[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Soros#_note-forbesbillion)

Former Federal Reserve (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Reserve) Chairman Paul Volcker (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Volcker) wrote in 2003 in the foreword of Soros' book The Alchemy of Finance (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Alchemy_of_Finance&action=edit):

"George Soros has made his mark as an enormously successful speculator, wise enough to largely withdraw when still way ahead of the game. The bulk of his enormous winnings is now devoted to encouraging transitional and emerging nations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emerging_nation) to become 'open societies,' open not only in the sense of freedom of commerce but - more important - tolerant of new ideas and different modes of thinking and behavior."

Satellite Weapon
01-24-2008, 07:50 AM
I agree that with rising oil prices, rising unemployment, rising deficits the economic situation is getting very serious but you should take what Soros says with a pinch of salt, he's got some very weird political views and I think he would actually welcome an economic apocalypse.

orionhawk
01-24-2008, 10:50 AM
agreed.^


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Andreas
01-24-2008, 10:52 AM
Paging Fox and Flagg....

You see guys we need that thread me and fox were discussing..


Cheers
Andreas

mudbunny
01-24-2008, 11:00 AM
Time to bunker down with that tax return.

Flagg
01-24-2008, 01:04 PM
Paging Fox and Flagg....

You see guys we need that thread me and fox were discussing..


Cheers
Andreas

While there is some truth to Soros's comments....he's about as dodgy as they come.

talk about pot calling kettle black...he was up to his ears in profiting from BoE pound defense collapse back in the day.....same with Asian Crisis in 97.....he's a vulture and a destroyer....amongst the financially educated he's one of the most hated men on earth....just my 0.02c

Andreas
01-24-2008, 01:12 PM
While there is some truth to Soros's comments....he's about as dodgy as they come.

talk about pot calling kettle black...he was up to his ears in profiting from BoE pound defense collapse back in the day.....same with Asian Crisis in 97.....he's a vulture and a destroyer....amongst the financially educated he's one of the most hated men on earth....just my 0.02c

A real "Gekko"?

I have always thought that, just because you are filthy rich it doesnt mean that you have all the answers on financial matters.
Here in Norway the Financial press love to get statements from the rich elite, but many of them are just simpletons who has had some luck and had the fortune.multiplication effect work for them a couple of years.

We had one guy, Stein Erik Hagen, basicaly a mearchant, try and comment about politics and our priminister in person. Well lets just say he got his ass handed to him in a live debate with our priminister.

vryhpyammoadded
01-24-2008, 03:05 PM
While there is some truth to Soros's comments....he's about as dodgy as they come.

talk about pot calling kettle black...he was up to his ears in profiting from BoE pound defense collapse back in the day.....same with Asian Crisis in 97.....he's a vulture and a destroyer....amongst the financially educated he's one of the most hated men on earth....just my 0.02c

Totally agree…
Every time I think of this guy I see Ernst Blofeld stroking his pussy.

From what I’ve researched, this prick was in up to his arm pits, among many other financers, enabling the suckers of the sub prime mess. Note: I don’t blame anyone profiting from this fiasco, there are no real laws preventing suckers from gambling away their homes and the idiot consumers seem to learn only from pain but, the enabling of this event was repugnant.
I’m certain this wolf in sheep clothing is more than positioned to slaughter millions of sheeple. How he maintains his good standing among his buddies of the lefts collective minions only reinforces my reflexive distrust and combativeness concerning anything they spew.

2Sheds_Jackson
01-24-2008, 04:38 PM
I’m certain this wolf in sheep clothing is more than positioned to slaughter millions of sheeple. How he maintains his good standing among his buddies of the lefts collective minions only reinforces my reflexive distrust and combativeness concerning anything they spew.

Well put. I love the way he sits there pontificating about this as if he was no more than a disinterested observer in the whole process. Anybody reading this should realize that he's doing nothing more or less than attempting to reposition his readers for a more effective ass-raping at his hands.

I also don't quite get how he manages to lump China in with oil producing nations and thefore deduce that they're going to continue to prosper. IMHO, if the US market slows down, China is in deep sh*t - since their economy is biased so heavily on exports to the US, and since all those loans in US dollars they're holding are worth less with every drop of the dollar.

ViktorNavorski
01-24-2008, 05:36 PM
While there is some truth to Soros's comments....he's about as dodgy as they come.

talk about pot calling kettle black...he was up to his ears in profiting from BoE pound defense collapse back in the day.....same with Asian Crisis in 97.....he's a vulture and a destroyer....amongst the financially educated he's one of the most hated men on earth....just my 0.02cIt would be extremely hard to find anyone in the know that would disagree with that.

deagle
01-24-2008, 05:41 PM
its finiancially hard for most ppl right now. i still dunno wtf the president said earlier in teh week about his plan to stimulate economy. i think it was something about taxes.

i did hear something about giving us $600 or $1200 back. i know we need to support military operations, but i hope methods are used adaquetely.

I can't think of a name
01-24-2008, 05:57 PM
Bill Gates just said he thinks the economy will be fine.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=080124145844.j7ugazce&show_article=1

Soros wants the economy to tank then blame his nemesis Bush for it.

Flagg
01-24-2008, 07:02 PM
its finiancially hard for most ppl right now. i still dunno wtf the president said earlier in teh week about his plan to stimulate economy. i think it was something about taxes.

i did hear something about giving us $600 or $1200 back. i know we need to support military operations, but i hope methods are used adaquetely.

Up to $600 per single, up to $1200 per couple

Plus $300 per kid

even $300 for very low income non tax payers

also instant writeoff for business capital equipment purchases.

the goal is to get people spending money....instantly(or as instantly as possible for gov't...which means around May-ish)

Flagg
01-24-2008, 07:19 PM
Bill Gates just said he thinks the economy will be fine.

Of course he'll say that.....if he knew the world was ending tomorrow he'd be pushing Microsoft's "positive outlook" right up to the end, saying there's no better time to buy than "right now".

Lesson #1 about business......it doesn't matter if it's a one-man band or a multi-national...... business is always "booming" right up to the repo man coming to take everything away. Ask yourself this: How will Bill Gates and Microsoft gain from Bill being all negative? he wont.....so he isn't, publically.




Soros wants the economy to tank then blame his nemesis Bush for it.

think of Soros as an habitual graverobber and mugger of little old ladies

think of Bush as the guy Soros blames for snorting coke, getting drunk and starting a fight at the pub next to the graveyard and the old folks home.

hughdotoh
01-24-2008, 09:13 PM
Whatever negative stuff you fellas said about George Soros, I'm all for it. Speculator scum like him are just pirates skimming off honest people's money.

Geezah
01-24-2008, 09:27 PM
While there is some truth to Soros's comments....he's about as dodgy as they come.

talk about pot calling kettle black...he was up to his ears in profiting from BoE pound defense collapse back in the day.....same with Asian Crisis in 97.....he's a vulture and a destroyer....amongst the financially educated he's one of the most hated men on earth....just my 0.02c

Soros along with Clinton Inc is the Anti-Christ, he's bad news.....

Flagg
01-24-2008, 10:07 PM
Whatever negative stuff you fellas said about George Soros, I'm all for it. Speculator scum like him are just pirates skimming off honest people's money.

Meh......yes and no in my opinion....

Every ecosystem needs vultures and hyenas to pick the bones clean...otherwise there'd be far too many weak or diseased carcasses lying around.

Right now we probably have far too many vultures and hyenas in our ecosysem.

non
01-24-2008, 10:35 PM
Whatever negative stuff you fellas said about George Soros, I'm all for it. Speculator scum like him are just pirates skimming off honest people's money.

He's very popular in Russia. No idea why, but the Kremlin loves him.

asch
01-24-2008, 11:17 PM
He's very popular in Russia. No idea why, but the Kremlin loves him.

huh? you mean, throwing Soros Foundation out of country is a sign of love? p-)

Kilgor
01-24-2008, 11:26 PM
He's very popular in Russia. No idea why, but the Kremlin loves him.

Dislike of Soros would be about the only thing the American and Russian leaders would agree on.

m.i.t
01-25-2008, 02:19 PM
While there is some truth to Soros's comments....he's about as dodgy as they come.

talk about pot calling kettle black...he was up to his ears in profiting from BoE pound defense collapse back in the day.....same with Asian Crisis in 97.....he's a vulture and a destroyer....amongst the financially educated he's one of the most hated men on earth....just my 0.02c

x10...

he is one of most perverse opportunist in the earth ..lm sure he got investenments for pessimistic periods...

4X4Driver
01-25-2008, 03:21 PM
While there is some truth to Soros's comments....he's about as dodgy as they come.

talk about pot calling kettle black...he was up to his ears in profiting from BoE pound defense collapse back in the day.....same with Asian Crisis in 97.....he's a vulture and a destroyer....amongst the financially educated he's one of the most hated men on earth....just my 0.02c

100% agreed.

Him and his activities are not very popular in Turkey either.

Ulytau
01-25-2008, 04:34 PM
While there is some truth to Soros's comments....he's about as dodgy as they come.

talk about pot calling kettle black...he was up to his ears in profiting from BoE pound defense collapse back in the day.....same with Asian Crisis in 97.....he's a vulture and a destroyer....amongst the financially educated he's one of the most hated men on earth....just my 0.02c

+89738974872342

Comment of the week..

@non
And Kremlin loves him? rofl