Tell me it is not a truth!!

[LeMat]

Polish portals, TV and radios say that IDF snipers killed 4 years old girl in Rafah!!
http://info.onet.pl/924351,12,item.html
Tell me that it is not truth. I can understand if child is killed in explosion or something like that - when no one want to kill him/her. But I can`t understand if sniper shoots 4 years old child in head!! It is a murder!!
If it is true that means in IDF there are murderers like in SS!

[Marmot1]

******* also mentioned that...

[UoUo]

It's not true...there is no chance that IDF sniper will shoot a child.

[Javehn]

No , it's not true . For **** sake , how someone can be so guilable :fork: .

I don't see anyone mention the suicide attempt that happend today .

[/McH\]

תאמת דווח על זה בוואי נט...

"בצה"ל אמרו בתגובה לדיווח על מותה של הילדה כי "האירוע נבדק"."

[Javehn]

דווח הכל , ואין מצב שזה קרה .
בטוח לא צלף , עם כבר .

[Marmot1]

RAFAH, Gaza Strip (*******) - A four-year-old Palestinian girl was shot dead on Saturday in a Gaza refugee camp where Israeli troops are mounting raids against militants and a suicide bomber exploded at a West Bank checkpoint.

Palestinian medics and witnesses said Israeli soldiers shot the girl in the Rafah refugee camp, but Israeli military sources denied any knowledge of a killing.

In the West Bank, a suicide bomber detonated his explosive belt at an army checkpoint near a Jewish settlement, wounding a soldier and three Palestinians, one of them seriously, the army said.

Israeli military sources said they did not know of any shooting in the Gaza neighborhood where the girl was killed. Witnesses said three other Palestinians were wounded in the incident.

Khader Abu Zeid, uncle of the girl, said the girl, who had been cooped up inside since Israeli tanks and armored vehicles rumbled into the camp on Tuesday, had gone out to buy something from a nearby shop.

"She took half a shekel from her father and left the house. We heard heavy shooting and when we went out we found her on the ground, two bullets in her neck and head," said Abu Zeid. Other witnesses said soldiers had opened fire from a nearby position.

Israel pulled tanks and troops out of the Rafah refugee camp on Friday, under international pressure to the end fighting, but denied the operation, in which 42 Palestinians have been killed, was over.

Peter Hansen, chief of the U.N. agency for refugees UNRWA, was touring the girl's neighborhood at the time of the death.

"We have confirmation from the hospital that a girl was shot and killed in one of the two gun bursts we heard," Hansen said.

[Marmot1]

דווח הכל , ואין מצב שזה קרה .
בטוח לא צלף , עם כבר .
Jak masz ochote tymi robaczkami pisac to rob to w prywatnych wiadomościach a nie na ogólnym forum. Po to jest taki fajny guziczek PM.

[UoUo]

To tell the truth..i wouldn't be suprised if the girls just died cuz she was sick..and the pal'
said we shoot her....any way even if she die from shooting..i don't think we did that in pearpes.

[big80a2]

A Palestinian mourner weeps over the body of 3-year-old girl Rawan Abu Zeid, as her body is carried during the funeral at Rafah refugee camp, southern Gaza Strip (news - web sites) Saturday May 22, 2004. The girl's family said she was hit by Israeli army fire as she walked to a shop near her home in the Brazil neighborhood of the camp. The army said they are not aware of any army fire at the time she was killed. The Israeli army is engaged in a major military offensive, aimed, according to Israel, at uncovering weapons-smuggling tunnels and arresting militants. (AP Photo/Khalil Hamra

well 2 voices against each other no other proof for now.
Rip t othe girl.

don't hear anything about sniper

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[IDFM203]

Polish portals, TV and radios say that IDF snipers killed 4 years old girl in Rafah!!
http://info.onet.pl/924351,12,item.html
Tell me that it is not truth. I can understand if child is killed in explosion or something like that - when no one want to kill him/her. But I can`t understand if sniper shoots 4 years old child in head!! It is a murder!!
If it is true that means in IDF there are murderers like in SS!let me be the first to say as a soldier in the IDF, that if its proven that a sniper did shoot a civilian girl in the head and that was the intention and there were no gunman around that he was aiming for, I and MOST Israelis categorically condemn it and he should be taken out of the army and fully persecuted.

However as of now, your source is in no way any reliable source to prove that that was his intention or explains the snipers side.

For we don’t purposely target civilians and I remember countless times where we didn’t fire or halted fire when we saw a civilian right next to.

However unfortunately in war its unavoidable at times but we don’t intentionally target them and as of now I don’t see anywhere where that sniper did.

But again if he did, I agree he should be punished.

Lastly spare me the SS bull**** :roll: :roll: , if we have this bad apples and he did murder her then he is a murderer, your melodramatic SS comparison is uncalled for, though indeed it’s a typical tactic being used by SOME to further propagandize against us :roll:

Shalom :D

[Moledet]

To tell the truth..i wouldn't be suprised if the girls just died cuz she was sick..and the pal'
said we shoot her....any way even if she die from shooting..i don't think we did that in pearpes.
Heh, I won't be surprised if a Palestinian sniper shot her.
And the Polish guy, It's being investigated lets not jump to conclusions.

[Javehn]

Couple of things. First of all , Peter Hansen is the same guy that gave permission to his UNWRA abmulances to deliever body parts of IDF soldiers carried by Islamic Jihad militants . There is a movie of that in ******* , but somehow this movie they don't want to release . Probably related to that , that ******* correspondent was almost kidnapped in Rafah by Islamic Jihad and was saved in last moment .

Second , eye witnesses . You can forget about it when you are talking with Palestinians . They will blow everything out of possible proportion . Medics ? The main cheaf of Jenin hospital lied without any problem to camera , and was busted later . So , with akk di respect , i will take the accounts of eye witnesses and stuff , unless it was seying by reporter (not El-Jazeera reporter) .

And third , it my had happend , but no way in the world it was a sniper . As you don't know , Rafah is a war zone , and every street of it is mined with IED's . Perhaps even that what was happened to the girl . No way in the world sniper will shot 4 years old girl .

And last , i still haven't heard **** about suicide attempt that happened today .

[Marmot1]

Well personally I don't belive it was sniper since it is reported that she was hit 2 or 3 times - as for me for me it must have been automatic weapon...

[big80a2]

well maybe we will never now the truth because they allready buried the girl, so nobody can check the hard evidence.

[UoUo]

Well personally I don't belive it was sniper since it is reported that she was hit 2 or 3 times - as for me for me it must have been automatic weapon...

Well...the israelis will corect me if i wrong...but the IDF never use the Automatic opation...

[Haiw]

For we don’t purposely target civilians and I remember countless times where we didn’t fire or halted fire when we saw a civilian right next to.
No offense, but didn't that argument just go out of the window in another thread? p-)

RIP to the girl, whoever did it.

[Marmot1]

Couple of things. First of all , Peter Hansen is the same guy that gave permission to his UNWRA abmulances to deliever body parts of IDF soldiers carried by Islamic Jihad militants . There is a movie of that in ******* , but somehow this movie they don't want to release . Probably related to that , that ******* correspondent was almost kidnapped in Rafah by Islamic Jihad and was saved in last moment .

Second , eye witnesses . You can forget about it when you are talking with Palestinians . They will blow everything out of possible proportion . Medics ? The main cheaf of Jenin hospital lied without any problem to camera , and was busted later . So , with akk di respect , i will take the accounts of eye witnesses and stuff , unless it was seying by reporter (not El-Jazeera reporter) .

And third , it my had happend , but no way in the world it was a sniper . As you don't know , Rafah is a war zone , and every street of it is mined with IED's . Perhaps even that what was happened to the girl . No way in the world sniper will shot 4 years old girl .

And last , i still haven't heard **** about suicide attempt that happened today .

So read my above post... I even highlighted this part in my post

[Javehn]

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Nice try .... ?? :|

[big80a2]

For we don’t purposely target civilians and I remember countless times where we didn’t fire or halted fire when we saw a civilian right next to.
No offense, but didn't that argument just go out of the window in another thread? p-)

RIP to the girl, whoever did it.

well the other incident is I think a verry big stupid action that just went totaly out of controll. And that's bad and for me I hope they will really learn from it.
Still I see that they tried to affoyd casualties but at stage 2 it went totally wrong with the tank shells and stuff. They have excused (not worth that much for the poor families) but tell me wen did terrorist palies do that??

[Marmot1]

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Nice try .... ?? :|

I edited it to highlight it with red color not to edit text.

[IDFM203]

For we don’t purposely target civilians and I remember countless times where we didn’t fire or halted fire when we saw a civilian right next to.
No offense, but didn't that argument just go out of the window in another thread? p-)

I am not offended for go read my response to that thread!! p-)

Also being that you never were a soldier, your comments don’t really offend me, they might annoy me, but offend nahh not really :lol: , but if you were, I might perhaps be if you contested what I said specifically above, I mean are you going to call me a liar on what I experienced and what I did :roll:

Shalom :D

[Moledet]

As for the SS thing. I've heard that the Polish people made a conentration camp a play ground, they do picnics there, ride the bicycle, the children play there and they smoke ciggarets, and throw them in to the ash of the victims and some of them also take drugs in the gas chambers, any comment?

[Herrmannek]

As for the SS thing. I've heard that the Polish people made a conentration camp a play ground, they do picnics there, ride the bicycle, the children play there and they smoke ciggarets, and throw them in to the ash of the victims and some of them also take drugs in the gas chambers, any comment?
To much X-files my friend :)

[UoUo]

The polish police take care for the Death camps and stuff....but 1 thing is for sure...people travel there..and even play with thier kids thier...and even take out thier dog for a walk thier.

[Haiw]

For we don’t purposely target civilians and I remember countless times where we didn’t fire or halted fire when we saw a civilian right next to.
No offense, but didn't that argument just go out of the window in another thread? p-)

I am not offended for go read my response to that thread!! p-)

Also being that you never were a soldier, your comments don’t really offend me, they might annoy me, but offend nahh not really :lol: , but if you were, I might perhaps be if you contested what I said specifically above, I mean are you going to call me a liar on what I experienced and what I did :roll:

Shalom :D
Well regardless of anything you might say, the Israeli army itself said that they fired on the protestors. Now unless I'm a illiterate that means they purposely targeted them (it doesn't mean it's standard procedure, but it did happen, and thus by linguistical logic you are unable to state that the Israeli doesn't purposely target civilians (though you propably would be correct by saying rarely)).

But either way, it's still funny to see you over-active as that Duracel-rabbit, jumping on anything that doesn't show Israel as the saint of the middle east. p-)

[Marmot1]

As for the SS thing. I've heard that the Polish people made a conentration camp a play ground, they do picnics there, ride the bicycle, the children play there and they smoke ciggarets, and throw them in to the ash of the victims and some of them also take drugs in the gas chambers, any comment?

How about coming to poland and visiting one??? to check it personally?

[mack pl]

RIP :(

stop with polish-israeli flame war :|

[Javehn]

Well regardless of anything you might say, the Israeli army itself said that they fired on the protestors. Now unless I'm a illiterate that means they purposely targeted them (it doesn't mean it's standard procedure, but it did happen, and thus by linguistical logic you are unable to state that the Israeli doesn't purposely target civilians (though you propably would be correct by saying rarely)).

Didn't i allready stated about the safety distances in other thread? :roll: Didn't i said that something ****ed up and blow the house ?? Read my text : We don't target civilians . End of disscussion .

And when someone will invent smart bullets who know to fly on target and don't richoshet , call me , ok ?

[Marmot1]

The polish police take care for the Death camps and stuff....but 1 thing is for sure...people travel there..and even play with thier kids thier...and even take out thier dog for a walk thier.

INSIDE camp or outside??? since inside no bikes no cars and no dogs are allowed. And outside... well outsied it is normal city where ppl live have dogs ride bikes etc. but it is outside

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/9759/Image014.jpg
http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/4127/Image015.jpg
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[/McH\]

As for the SS thing. I've heard that the Polish people made a conentration camp a play ground, they do picnics there, ride the bicycle, the children play there and they smoke ciggarets, and throw them in to the ash of the victims and some of them also take drugs in the gas chambers, any comment?

How about coming to poland and visiting one??? to check it personally?

Been there last year... at Maydanek Deathcamp, People Enter and Exit laughing as hell, Kids ride a Bicycle. why dont just put a sign "Maydanek Park" and "Dont Step On The Grass" and thats it!!

[mack pl]

Yeah, Oświęcim (Aushwitz) is normal city, and Im sure nobody could go to camp with fuzkin dog :|

[IDFM203]

For we don’t purposely target civilians and I remember countless times where we didn’t fire or halted fire when we saw a civilian right next to.
No offense, but didn't that argument just go out of the window in another thread? p-)

I am not offended for go read my response to that thread!! p-)

Also being that you never were a soldier, your comments don’t really offend me, they might annoy me, but offend nahh not really :lol: , but if you were, I might perhaps be if you contested what I said specifically above, I mean are you going to call me a liar on what I experienced and what I did :roll:

Shalom :D
Well regardless of anything you might say, the Israeli army itself said that they fired on the protestors. Now unless I'm a illiterate that means they purposely targeted them (it doesn't mean it's standard procedure, but it did happen, and thus by linguistical logic you are unable to state that the Israeli doesn't purposely target civilians (though you propably would be correct by saying rarely)). where did you see that?? The article from this thread isn’t any Israeli article (I was going to get inot that article and ask for the legitimacy of it but I didn’t, I see that was a mistake), I have not seen anywhere in Israeli press where we said we targets that crowd to hit civilians.




But either way, it's still funny to see you over-active as that Duracel-rabbit, jumping on anything that doesn't show Israel as the saint of the middle east. p-) here is a new flash, we areant saints (though neither are your nation) !! Happy :roll: (gee I have said this many times before)

Now if you were ever to know what’s its like to be soldier, you would understand what it means to defend a military that you served in from little annoying comments from someone like you. For its annoying for it’s a military that I know has a policy and in practice of not targeting civilians,

I enjoy debating and you can get childish and start with little pesky remakes like “durcel rabbit” all you want, but I don’t see you not responding to my posts, so lets not get hypocritical here as who is what. Mkay? :roll:

Shalom :D

[UoUo]

I am not talking about auschwitz..i am talkung aboy Maydinc..people do travel with thier dogs..and thier babies...

As you know..lublin is very close to maydnik.

[mack pl]

As for the SS thing. I've heard that the Polish people made a conentration camp a play ground, they do picnics there, ride the bicycle, the children play there and they smoke ciggarets, and throw them in to the ash of the victims and some of them also take drugs in the gas chambers, any comment?

How about coming to poland and visiting one??? to check it personally?

Been there last year... at Maydanek Deathcamp, People Enter and Exit laughing as hell, Kids ride a Bicycle. why dont just put a sign "Maydanek Park" and "Dont Step On The Grass" and thats it!!Ohhh, its very sad, so maybe Israel should give us few Shaback officers to protect this camp....................stupid discussion :|

[Moledet]

As for the SS thing. I've heard that the Polish people made a conentration camp a play ground, they do picnics there, ride the bicycle, the children play there and they smoke ciggarets, and throw them in to the ash of the victims and some of them also take drugs in the gas chambers, any comment?

How about coming to poland and visiting one??? to check it personally?
It's not a news paper reoprt it's a video report from (my mistake) Meydanek camp. Dachau was also on the news when the town residents deicded that they should destroy the concentration camp and to build there a park or a vacation resort.

[mack pl]

MAJDANEK :|

[Javehn]

בוא הנה , תפסיקו לזרוק חרא . מה אתם יורדים לרמה שלהם ?
לפחות תראו שאנחנו יותר טובים מהם .

[perdurabo]

Didn't i allready stated about the safety distances in other thread? :roll: Didn't i said that something f*** up and blow the house ?? Read my text : We don't target civilians . End of disscussion .

And when someone will invent smart bullets who know to fly on target and don't richoshet , call me , ok ?
thats why soldiers have to have brains and think! you look where you shoot not spray and pray.



I am not talking about auschwitz..i am talkung aboy Maydinc..people do travel with thier dogs..and thier babies...

As you know..lublin is very close to maydnik.
You know ppl live there? Its Poland and as a Polish citizens they can do whatever they want inside their country. Live with it or buzz off.

[mack pl]

בוא הנה , תפסיקו לזרוק חרא . מה אתם יורדים לרמה שלהם ?
לפחות תראו שאנחנו יותר טובים מהם .Taaa, kurde, my też cie bardzo lubimy.Tylko nie przesadzaj z piwkiem Makkabi stary ;)

[Moledet]

Didn't i allready stated about the safety distances in other thread? :roll: Didn't i said that something f*** up and blow the house ?? Read my text : We don't target civilians . End of disscussion .

And when someone will invent smart bullets who know to fly on target and don't richoshet , call me , ok ?
thats why soldiers have to have brains and think! you look where you shoot not spray and pray.



I am not talking about auschwitz..i am talkung aboy Maydinc..people do travel with thier dogs..and thier babies...

As you know..lublin is very close to maydnik.
You know ppl live there? Its Poland and as a Polish citizens they can do whatever they want inside their country. Live with it or buzz off.
Oh so it's an old polish tradition. Do you also take your dog to **** in your grave yards? Do you throw ciggarrets at graves in your grave yards? Do you make picnics in polish grave yards?

[perdurabo]

בוא הנה , תפסיקו לזרוק חרא . מה אתם יורדים לרמה שלהם ?
לפחות תראו שאנחנו יותר טובים מהם .
to może sobie pogadamy po Polsku?
Wiesz dupku jest coś takiego jak PM powinieneś się nauczyć urzywać tego!
Its english language forum!!

[Javehn]

thats why soldiers have to have brains and think! you look where you shoot not spray and pray.


I will quote myself again : When someone will invent smart bullet who acts like the one who fired him intented , it's a mind guided and hits exactly that guy with a gun , and don't ricochate , go back to me then , ok ?

And IDF denied the method of spray and pray in the 70's . We don't use Authomatic fire .


to może sobie pogadamy po Polsku?

Mogu , mogu . It was ment to everybody , and i don't want to take time and send PM to every single one .

[mack pl]

Didn't i allready stated about the safety distances in other thread? :roll: Didn't i said that something f*** up and blow the house ?? Read my text : We don't target civilians . End of disscussion .

And when someone will invent smart bullets who know to fly on target and don't richoshet , call me , ok ?
thats why soldiers have to have brains and think! you look where you shoot not spray and pray.



I am not talking about auschwitz..i am talkung aboy Maydinc..people do travel with thier dogs..and thier babies...

As you know..lublin is very close to maydnik.
You know ppl live there? Its Poland and as a Polish citizens they can do whatever they want inside their country. Live with it or buzz off.
Oh so it's an old polish tradition. Do you also take your dog to **** in your grave yards? Do you throw ciggarrets at graves in your grave yards? Do you make picnics in polish grave yards?taaak, to jest taka nasza kurwa nowa świecka tradycja IDIOTO

[Haiw]

where did you see that?? The article from this thread isn’t any Israeli article (I was going to get inot that article and ask for the legitimacy of it but I didn’t, I see that was a mistake), I have not seen anywhere in Israeli press where we said we targets that crowd to hit civilians.
With all respect to the Israeli media, I'd say AFP is fairly reliable... (at least it wasn't any Arab media)


I enjoy debating and you can get childish and start with little pesky remakes like “durcel rabbit” all you want, but I don’t see you not responding to my posts, so lets not get hypocritical here as who is what. Mkay? :roll:
Last time I checked you couldn't find my posts in every thread regarding Israel/the Middle East. ;)

[Moledet]

בוא הנה , תפסיקו לזרוק חרא . מה אתם יורדים לרמה שלהם ?
לפחות תראו שאנחנו יותר טובים מהם .
מה יורדים לרמה? רק מנסים להראות להם איך הם נראים מהזווית שלנו, הגיע הזמן שמישהו יגיד להם את הדברים כמו שהם במקום ללטף אותם עם מילים יפות ורכות והתגוננויות. אותו הדבר עם האמריקאים, אתה יודע שנמאס לאנשים מהביקורת שלהם בזמן שהם עושים דברים גרועים יותר והגיע הזמן להגיד את האמת.

And Europeans we are not cursing you, like you think we do and like you probably do (I know what "IDIOTO" means).

[Herrmannek]

Oh so it's an old polish tradition. Do you also take your dog to **** in your grave yards? Do you throw ciggarrets at graves in your grave yards? Do you make picnics in polish grave yards?

Concentration camps aren't grave yards its more like battlefields. I'm sure places where those people are buried aren't exposed to such activities...

[mack pl]

Nawet bym sie ucieszył jakby ten chujowy topic zablokowali :| i znowu wychodzi,że Polacy nie lubią żydów, bo dzieciaki sie śmieja w obozach na pierdolonych wycieczkach :roll:

[UoUo]

perdurabo

You know polish people died there 2... :roll:

[Javehn]

כן ? איזה חכם אתה . אתה יודע מה זה מנגנון התגוננות ? ברגע שאתה יורד עליהם חירבנת את כל הוויכוח ואת כל ההוכחה שלך . הוא לא מקשיב לך יותר . הוא מנסה לחשוב על דרכים לחרבן עליך בחזרה וזהו .

באמת , בפורום הזה אין רמת דיון בכלל . אז בכל מקרה , כשכולם שופטים אותנו , תראה שבכל מקרה אנחנו ברמה יותר טובה מהם . אז מה שהעלבת אותו עכשיו ? מה עשית בזה , חכם בלילה ? על תלך פה על דרך ישראלית טיפוסית , כולם יודעים שאנחנו לא יכולים להתווכח .

רוצה להראות להם שהם דו פרצופיים ? תעשה את זה בעדינות שהנקודה שלך תכנס . בכל מקרה אני רואה מהמפלגה שלך שאתה לא מבין אותי .

[perdurabo]

Oh so it's an old polish tradition. Do you also take your dog to **** in your grave yards? Do you throw ciggarrets at graves in your grave yards? Do you make picnics in polish grave yards?
You know not only Jews died there also Poles.
Yes i play on graveyards i even drink wine there. Roms play misusic, Ukrainians drink vodka, Yankees make their Haloween in our day for remembering our died ppl do we tell them to stop making jokes?. You should visit normal cemetary in Day of All Dead.
BTW when human dies is body makes great fertlizer for trees live with it you also will become dirt someday, and someday some one will **** on you...

[Herrmannek]

PLZ STOP

[mack pl]

perdurabo

You know polish people died there 2... :roll:really :roll:

OK, boys, stop this BS.

[Moledet]

כן ? איזה חכם אתה . אתה יודע מה זה מנגנון התגוננות ? ברגע שאתה יורד עליהם חירבנת את כל הוויכוח ואת כל ההוכחה שלך . הוא לא מקשיב לך יותר . הוא מנסה לחשוב על דרכים לחרבן עליך בחזרה וזהו .

באמת , בפורום הזה אין רמת דיון בכלל . אז בכל מקרה , כשכולם שופטים אותנו , תראה שבכל מקרה אנחנו ברמה יותר טובה מהם . אז מה שהעלבת אותו עכשיו ? מה עשית בזה , חכם בלילה ? על תלך פה על דרך ישראלית טיפוסית , כולם יודעים שאנחנו לא יכולים להתווכח .

רוצה להראות להם שהם דו פרצופיים ? תעשה את זה בעדינות שהנקודה שלך תכנס . בכל מקרה אני רואה מהמפלגה שלך שאתה לא מבין אותי .
סליחה? מהמפלגה שלי? המפלגה הציונית היחידה בישראל והיחידה שגם תביא שלום. מנסה לסלק לי יהודים מהבתים ואחרי זה מדבר על המפלגה שלי, תתבייש.
בכל מקרה, לפחות פה בוא נשאר מאוחדים, סבבה?

[IDFM203]

where did you see that?? The article from this thread isn’t any Israeli article (I was going to get inot that article and ask for the legitimacy of it but I didn’t, I see that was a mistake), I have not seen anywhere in Israeli press where we said we targets that crowd to hit civilians.
With all respect to the Israeli media, I'd say AFP is fairly reliable... (at least it wasn't any Arab media)right here what you said before and I responded, its not about a debate who is more reliable or not, for you said the Israeli said things and to that the Israeli media is more realiable on what we say....makes sense, huh? ;)

(but anyways more is coming out from the Israeli press so I await futher judgement)

As for you other comments, ok you got your last personal response in, I will let you have the last word there.

Now if you continue, just stick to the issues, ok?

Shalom :D (damit I want shalom on this board as well ;) )

[mack pl]

כן ? איזה חכם אתה . אתה יודע מה זה מנגנון התגוננות ? ברגע שאתה יורד עליהם חירבנת את כל הוויכוח ואת כל ההוכחה שלך . הוא לא מקשיב לך יותר . הוא מנסה לחשוב על דרכים לחרבן עליך בחזרה וזהו .

באמת , בפורום הזה אין רמת דיון בכלל . אז בכל מקרה , כשכולם שופטים אותנו , תראה שבכל מקרה אנחנו ברמה יותר טובה מהם . אז מה שהעלבת אותו עכשיו ? מה עשית בזה , חכם בלילה ? על תלך פה על דרך ישראלית טיפוסית , כולם יודעים שאנחנו לא יכולים להתווכח .

רוצה להראות להם שהם דו פרצופיים ? תעשה את זה בעדינות שהנקודה שלך תכנס . בכל מקרה אני רואה מהמפלגה שלך שאתה לא מבין אותי .
סליחה? מהמפלגה שלי? המפלגה הציונית היחידה בישראל והיחידה שגם תביא שלום. מנסה לסלק לי יהודים מהבתים ואחרי זה מדבר על המפלגה שלי, תתבייש.
בכל מקרה, לפחות פה בוא נשאר מאוחדים, סבבה?Szalom, bez względu na bzdury które tu piszecie.

[Haiw]

Yeah that last things sounds good. Please, don't think of me as some biased anti-Israeli guy, because I wouldn't like you to think things of me that I am not. Fact just is that I happen to respond to anti-Israeli things more often because in for example anti-Palestinian threads the things I think are mostly already said by other people. Furthermore, if I would condemn everything I condemn in my head out loud on the board I'm afraid I'd have a 5-digit post count by now. :|

Shalom. :hug:

[UoUo]

Ok..people stop the bull****..Poland is a nice country...and believe me they keep the job very good to defend the Death camps from nazis and ****...anyway! let's back to the topic

[mack pl]

Ok..people stop the bull****..Poland is a nice country...and believe me they keep the job very good to defend the Death camps from nazis and ****...anyway! let's back to the topicdo you remember topic?

dead palestinian girl

but we are talking here about some bs

:cantbeli:

[Marmot1]

As for the SS thing. I've heard that the Polish people made a conentration camp a play ground, they do picnics there, ride the bicycle, the children play there and they smoke ciggarets, and throw them in to the ash of the victims and some of them also take drugs in the gas chambers, any comment?

How about coming to poland and visiting one??? to check it personally?
It's not a news paper reoprt it's a video report from (my mistake) Meydanek camp. Dachau was also on the news when the town residents deicded that they should destroy the concentration camp and to build there a park or a vacation resort.

Dachau is not in poland...

[UoUo]

Oh let's stop the crap!

[IDFM203]

Haiw

Listen man, I don’t think you are a anti semtie, and in truth, even though I don’t agree with all your postings in general, I do enjoy them (especily your ones in the off topic section :D ). What you have to understand is that we are sensitive and that’s because its not that we don’t care, but precisely that we do, for I know as a soldier I would never intentionally target civilians and we are trained and drained in us all the time to never do that.

I know most of the times we don’t.

however the world surly comes down on us all the time (not only this case) and I cant say we are perfect or that we don’t have any bad apples, but our image in the word is wrong and false and IMO its based on a lot of lies that are constantly being said and reported. (I myself was in a incident which the BBC reported false..........(I believe I mentioned it on one of my earlier posts on this forum).

Also I see Israel get much more disproportionate coverage and condemnations then other nations and conflicts (or even the Arabs and palis) then when we do something wrong.

This incident here does pain me and it pains most Israelis, hell the whole ****ty situation pains me, but I know we don’t target civilian and this was a war zone…..however if we did for no reason, then hell I condemn it as most Israelis would.

Till now I don’t see facts where we did, but I will wait and see to pass full judgment on what happned.

Do you know right after shabra and shatila in Lebanon, a act that no Israeli committed, but was claimed that we didn’t stop the christens for slaughtering 3000 Palestinians, there was over 300,000 Israelis in the street demonstrating against the IDF and the Israeli government.

Israel as a moral democracy, we are very critical of our own as well (hell just go look at Israeli media and you will see we have right,left and all other types of media).

So we are critical if need be, just the calls for war crimes all the time, in a war where we are getting shot at from civilian places all the time (I am talking in general and not about this inicdent) and going after arms smugglers and tunnles (of which I didnt hear a peep from anyone in the world about that before) well I hope you can understand my hyper sensitivity.

Shalom to you as well :hug:

[LeMat]

The polish police take care for the Death camps and stuff....but 1 thing is for sure...people travel there..and even play with thier kids thier...and even take out thier dog for a walk thier.

Don`t be funny. If you try to walk INSIDE any death camp (Oswiecim, Gross-Rosen etc) with dog, guards will stop you and you will be accused because in Poland there is a special law which protect these sad places. If you say that O?wi?cim wasn`t death camp you can land in prison or pay fine, because in Poland it is normal crime - so called "O?wi?cim`s lie". That`s why few shops had to be closed - there were too close to the death camp.
Remember that Oswiecim is normal city - people can`t think about history all the time. There is special zone which is under special protection but city have to live.
If we want to give special protection to all places where people were murdered by Germans we will have to lock whole Poland :(

And don`t say "you hate Jews because kids are playing in/near death camps. They are only kids - they don`t know what are these places.
And remember - it is very easy to say "you should protect Majdanek, Oswiecim, Gross-Rosen etc.". But remember - we have to live. We need shops, pubs, techno-clubs.
Everyday I pass near 4 places where Poles and Jews were murdered. We just can`t makes special zones to protect all these places. We don`t have enought money to keep guards near every death wall.
Poland was ONE ****ED BIG DEATH CAMP!

[mack pl]

/\ stary,jest juz drugi topic o tym,kurwa :cantbeli:

[Denat]

As for the SS thing. I've heard that the Polish people made a conentration camp a play ground, they do picnics there, ride the bicycle, the children play there and they smoke ciggarets, and throw them in to the ash of the victims and some of them also take drugs in the gas chambers, any comment?

Before you start with this anti-polonism BULL**** my dear Israeli friend,
just look here and find out that 5,800 of 20,205 of the Righteous Among the Nations (http://www.yad-vashem.org.il/righteous/righteous_table.html) came from POLAND. No nation on this earth has more of them than POLAND. Those people were risking lives of themselfs and their entire families to save the lives of the Jews. And remember that the punishment for that in german-occupied Poland was death, while in the western Europe it was imprisonment.


Polish rescuer Andrzej Garbulinski

In late 1940, three Jews from the village of Czerna arrived at the home of Andrzej Garbulinski, who lived in the same village, and asked him for shelter and for help. They were Sarah Alfenbein, her daughter Hanna and her son Meir, who had escaped from the Plaszow camp. They had hidden beforehand in the home of a neighbor, Stanislaw Opce. The Garbulinski family agreed to take them in and to care for them.

In late 1943, Gestapo men arrived in the village. As they approached Garbulinski’s farm, he attempted to warn the family in hiding. They fled to a field, but as they were escaping, the mother and son were killed. At the end of the pursuit, the daughter was killed as well. Garbulinski and his son Wladyslaw were taken to the Jaslo prison. A short time after their arrest, the Germans sentenced the father to death. The son was transferred to a different prison, where he was murdered. The only one who made it through the war was the younger son, Marian.
and 5,799 more . . .