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Firetxmi
01-24-2008, 03:55 PM
US Afghan drug program is 'spectacularly unsuccessful': Holbrooke

Wed Jan 23, 3:45 PM ET

The US-led drive to eradicate opium poppy fields in Afghanistan is a waste of money that plays into the hands of Taliban insurgents, a former US ambassador to the United Nations claimed Wednesday.

Ambassador Richard Holbrooke, writing a column in The Washington Post, said US President George W. Bush's vocal support in the last two years for aerial spraying of poppy fields highlighted what was wrong with US policy.

His remarks "are part of the story behind the spectacularly unsuccessful US counter-narcotics program in Afghanistan," Holbrooke wrote.

He said "fortunately" Bush backed down from backing aerial spraying because the Afghan government and the international community argued it would "create a backlash against" Kabul and Washington.

"But even without aerial eradication, the program, which costs one billion dollars a year, may be the single most ineffective program in the history of American foreign policy," Holbrooke argued.

"It's not just a waste of money. It actually strengthens the Taliban and al-Qaeda, as well as criminal elements within Afghanistan," he wrote.

He cited statistics from the UN Office on Drugs and Crime showing the area under opium cultivation increased to 193,000 hectares (476,896 acres) in 2007 from 165,000 in 2006. The harvest also grew to 8,200 tonnes from 6,100.

"Could any program be more unsuccessful?" he asked.

"The program destroys crops in insecure areas, especially in the south, where the Taliban is strongest," he wrote.

"This policy pushes farmers with no other source of livelihood into the arms of the Taliban without reducing the total amount of opium being produced," he said.

"Meanwhile, there is far too little effort made against the drug lords and high-ranking government officials who are at the heart of the huge drug trade in Afghanistan," he said.

The State Department's coordinator for counter narcotics and justice reform in Afghanistan Thomas Schweich told AFP recently that Afghanistan and European countries, after rejecting aerial spraying, now back a "very tough manual" ground-based eradication plan.

He said the plan is "an integrated part of a program" aimed at planting alternative crops, "interdicting" top drug traffickers, prosecuting corrupt officials abetting the trade, and improved public information.

Eradication efforts have stumbled on "sort of a myth" that poppy farmers are poor, he said.

He said it was important to press ahead now with poppy eradication rather than wait until the justice system is capable of gathering evidence and successfully prosecuting those involved in the drug trade.

Link:http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080123/pl_afp/usafghanistandrugs;_ylt=Am6OREhmn_BEtN7E1uZ98YPGK7IF

Laworkerbee
01-24-2008, 04:41 PM
I'm not a big fan of Richard Holbrooke after seeing how he went about things in the Balkans.


"The program destroys crops in insecure areas, especially in the south, where the Taliban is strongest," he wrote.

"This policy pushes farmers with no other source of livelihood into the arms of the Taliban without reducing the total amount of opium being produced," he said.

So what is his answer? let them grow opium otherwise they will join the Taliban, so what! That opium is going to be supporting the insurgency one way or the other....what am I missing here?

deagle
01-24-2008, 05:38 PM
that has been their economy, and i dont see how any of the coalition forces have plans to implement an adequate and self-sustainable way of means for the afghan economy. if they can grow poppy, can't they go other crops (i'm not an agriculture expert).

I do see how it plays into insurgent hands too, and thats no way to win "hearts/minds".

WarriorMonk
01-24-2008, 10:02 PM
isn't some component or derivative of opium used in medicinal drugs...?

non
01-24-2008, 10:29 PM
isn't some component or derivative of opium used in medicinal drugs...?

I wouldn't swear by it, but I'm pretty certain there's no legal market for it at all. Opium was superseded by heroin, first, and, now, it's pretty much all synthesised opiates (in the medical field).

dacanadianbomb
01-25-2008, 08:48 AM
I thought I remember hearing that they were thinking about helping the farmers out by buying their Opium for medicinal purposes or something along those lines.
Its a catch 22 situation, but as LA said, its aiding and abeiting the insurgency either way.

Andreas
01-25-2008, 09:01 AM
'spectacularly unsuccessful'

Pretty funny statement..

saw a documentary about how pre 2001 the taliban had cleaned up the opium harvest. And we all know how much the production has increased now. Cant realy see a good way out.. Afghanistan doesnt realy have much in the way of other resources...

Cheers
Andreas

Satellite Weapon
01-25-2008, 09:45 AM
its a disaster

rice and nuts could become an alternative but the place suffers from drought
apples, grapes would be another agricultural option > of course the jihadsts will claim this produces that sinful cider and wine

as long as there are terrorists making money from selling this sh*t, no crop can compete with opium poppies for profit potential

the official word is "poppies are estimated to earn approximately eight times more income per hectare than wheat, using less water and fewer input"

Firetxmi
01-25-2008, 12:56 PM
I wouldn't swear by it, but I'm pretty certain there's no legal market for it at all. Opium was superseded by heroin, first, and, now, it's pretty much all synthesised opiates (in the medical field).

Actually, Morphine (VERY commonly used drug) is made with Opium. It does have considerable medicinal uses.

Opium is the precursor to Heroin.

FGS215
01-26-2008, 12:01 AM
Buying all the opium that is produced in Afghanistan (at least until as stable situation is established) would definetly ba a very smart step to fight the insurgery. I hope that US and EU decision makers will realize this as quick as possible. It surely will do no harm to us and as Firetxmi mentioned it, morphine for medical use could be produced out of it so we would profit of it twice. In Addition the west should also buy up all the weed, as we all know it can be used for medical porpuses or smoked up right away in the good old Netherlands.
In my opinion buying the opium produced in Afghanistan would save more NATO and ANA soldiers lives rather than destroying the poppy fields of poor farmers and by it pushing them into talibans hands.

non
01-26-2008, 01:46 AM
Actually, Morphine (VERY commonly used drug) is made with Opium. It does have considerable medicinal uses.

Opium is the precursor to Heroin.
Yup, I was wrong. Sorry. Although, the commonality of usage has been reduced and largely substituted by synthetic opioids, due to opium's more addictive side effects.


A recent proposal from the European Senlis Council hopes to solve the problems caused by the massive quantity of opium produced illegally in Afghanistan, most of which is converted to heroin, and smuggled for sale in Europe and the USA. This proposal is to license Afghan farmers to produce opium for the world pharmaceutical market, and thereby solve another problem, that of chronic underuse of potent analgesics where required within developing nations. Part of the proposal is to overcome the "80-20 rule" that requires the U.S. to purchase 80% of its legal opium from India and Turkey to include Afghanistan, by establishing a second-tier system of supply control that complements the current INCB regulated supply and demand system by providing poppy-based medicines to countries who cannot meet their demand under the current regulations. Senlis arranged a conference in Kabul that brought drug policy experts from around the world to meet with Afghan government officials to discuss internal security, corruption issues, and legal issues within Afghanistan.[75] In June 2007, the Council launched a "Poppy for Medicines" project that provides a technical blueprint for the implementation of an integrated control system within Afghan village-based poppy for medicine projects: the idea promotes the economic diversification by redirecting proceeds from the legal cultivation of poppy and production of poppy-based medicines (See Senlis Council).[76]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opium

non
01-26-2008, 01:49 AM
(sigh)
wrote:"due to opium's more addictive side effects."
meant:"due to morphine's more addictive side effects."

tluassa
01-27-2008, 10:07 AM
I'm not a big fan of Richard Holbrooke after seeing how he went about things in the Balkans.



So what is his answer? let them grow opium otherwise they will join the Taliban, so what! That opium is going to be supporting the insurgency one way or the other....what am I missing here?

Thats why the International Community should buy the whole amount of opium and start the process of allowing the farmers to produce other stuff than drugs. Just to take away their income wont help. If you would divert a small amount of the money that is used to fight drugs addiction in the western world to supporting new agriculture in Afghanistan ...

Limeyfellow
01-27-2008, 09:33 PM
To get rid of the poppies all they can do is subsidise the price of grain for the farmers and other crops. People who are subsistence farming and struggling to grow anything spare to sell and trade with are going to go with a cash crop. Even in the US it requires giving big payments out to farmers to grow and keep the farm land in operation. There needs to be a change in industrialisation and wealth of the public outside of a few strongholds and Kabul before they will see the drug problem go away.

Burning the crops in large numbers leads to desperation and anger, when you don't replace it with something they can still make a living on.