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budanski
05-22-2004, 12:43 PM
Recruiters Tap A Willing Force To Join Military
By MITCH STACY
Associated Press (http://tampatrib.com/floridametronews/MGAJATIVHUD.htmlThe)

CLEARWATER - Jordan Hunkin wants to be a Marine so desperately that he skipped his high school graduation this month to get an early start at boot camp. His recruiter had to pull some strings to make it happen.

The slight 17-year-old wants to go straight into the infantry, qualify for Special Operations and become a sniper.

And if he is needed in Iraq, bring it on.

``I want to do my part,'' said Hunkin, who showed up at the recruiting office with his father on his birthday, the first day he could legally enlist. ``I think it's our responsibility to the rest of the world to maintain order.''

Despite a particularly bloody spring in Iraq for American troops and the fallout from the prisoner abuse scandal, business is still good for U.S. military recruiters.

Many recruits are unfazed by the flag-draped caskets coming home from Iraq since the surge of violence began April 1. Hunkin, for one, said he has ``heard some stories'' about combat over there, but is still ready to go.

The Pentagon said the fighting in Iraq has not affected overall recruiting numbers much one way or the other. Statistics through 2003 show all branches hitting annual targets, with no dramatic spikes. In fiscal year 2003, the Army, Navy, Marines and Air Force brought in 184,879 recruits to active duty, exceeding the objective by more than 500.

And despite the bloodshed, soldiers are re-enlisting at rates that exceed retention goals, according to the Pentagon.

Recruiters here say patriotic interest in the military has been high since the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, and they are still tapping into it.

Gunnery Sgt. David McDaniel, chief of Marine recruiting in Pinellas County, said his office has been so successful that recruits who signed on in April will have to wait until early next year to get a slot at boot camp at Parris Island, S.C., the initial destination for every fledgling Marine in the eastern United States.

And a good many want to fight.

``The infantry program is definitely not one that we have to convince people to do,'' said Staff Sgt. Patrick Miller, who found Junkin and has three Marines he recruited now serving in Iraq. ``We almost have to talk more people out of that one because there's a limited number of openings.''

One of the slots is going to Jeremy Wellenreiter, a high school senior who said he has wanted to be a Marine since the sixth grade. Despite a good score on the military aptitude test that might qualify him for more skilled jobs, he wants infantry and Special Forces.

Wellenreiter said his recruiter explained the risk, explained that people might be shooting at him before long. He said it was a source of much hand- wringing by his parents but not a huge issue with him.

Dying ``is always in the back of your mind if you're thinking about joining the military,'' he said.

McDaniel said recruiters are making an extra effort to ensure recruits know what they are getting into. ``We tell it like it is,'' said McDaniel, a Gulf War veteran. ``If it scares somebody, we don't want that individual in the Marine Corps.''

Staff Sgt. William W. Judge Jr., who recruits for the Army in Tampa, said young people still join the service for the old reasons - get money for college, learn a trade, find some direction - but the war on terrorism generates a few more soldiers.

The morning after the news media reported the combat death in Afghanistan of Pat Tillman, the former NFL star turned Army Ranger, Judge fielded about 10 calls from people who were inspired to ask about joining up.

Judge said he is frank about the risks, whether the recruit is signing up to be an infantryman, a computer tech or a diesel mechanic. ``I don't want anybody walking out of here thinking that they'll never see Iraq, that they'll never see Kuwait,'' Judge said.

Recruiters said news about prisoners being abused by military police officers in a Baghdad prison has not become an issue. Most recruits have not even brought it up, they said.
Given the portrayal the media has given Iraq, this just flies in the face of their "quagmire"

Tane Angle
05-22-2004, 12:48 PM
I just hope that they give those kids more cultural and language training that I've seen so far. Thanks for the article, budanski.

DPGLAW
05-22-2004, 01:14 PM
Very good point Tane, Especially since the kids, and they are kids, they are talking about in this article are just talking about how much they want to fight. Not knowing about the culture you are going into and the desire to kicsk some ass are a dangerous combination.

I am all for blowing the hell out of most of Iraq, I truthfully dont care how many woman and children die in the process. Based on this article I thiknk that may tend to be the sttitude of many of the future soldiers they are talking about. I know that more cultural training would go a long way in tempering the aforementioned attitude and mabye keep some more of our soldiers alive.

moughoun
05-22-2004, 01:53 PM
Very good point Tane, Especially since the kids, and they are kids, they are talking about in this article are just talking about how much they want to fight. Not knowing about the culture you are going into and the desire to kicsk some ass are a dangerous combination.

I am all for blowing the hell out of most of Iraq, I truthfully dont care how many woman and children die in the process. .

Your a special one aren't ya :roll:

Brozozo
05-22-2004, 02:41 PM
Nice to hear there still some patriotic youth left that wish to serve their country regardless of the risks involved, instead of growing their hair long and chanting "Free Palestine"

ash933
05-22-2004, 03:27 PM
You really need to be made of something to make such a massive committment at a young age.

When I arrived at CTC for my PRMC the Royal Marine that was guarding the gate was just 17. I know of a few recruits in recruit training that are 16 too.

As for myself, I withdrew myself from the PRMC and thus failed. I gave up about half way through, after deciding that I was still too young(I'm 17) to committ myself to the longest, hardest basic infantry training in the world. Most likely in a couple of years I'll attempt it again.

Best of luck to that Hunkin though.

Lt_Crooks
05-22-2004, 04:15 PM
WOW. this guy sounds just like how I used to be except im 16 and im a ton smarter. I dont think most young future enlistees really think about REAL combat. These kids are just captivated when they see soliders battling insurgents on TV and watch movies like black hawk down and wish they to can be "RAMBO". War is not just some video game. They dont realize that when you die, there is no reset button. I probally used to think this way until I got a rude awakening call, I talked to a marine who had see his friend die. That is no fun. NOW im not saying its not good to be a patriot or an american nationalist, but I wish my peers would just think twice :backhand:

American Patriot
05-22-2004, 04:21 PM
WOW. this guy sounds just like how I used to be except im 16 and im a ton smarter. I dont think most young future enlistees really think about REAL combat. These kids are just captivated when they see soliders battling insurgents on TV and watch movies like black hawk down and wish they to can be "RAMBO". War is not just some video game. They dont realize that when you die, there is no reset button. I probally used to think this way until I got a rude awakening call, I talked to a marine who had see his friend die. That is no fun. NOW im not saying its not good to be a patriot or an american nationalist, but I wish my peers would just think twice :backhand:

:roll:

Yes, dying is very sad and all but there are more important things like not dying and helping to defeat the nation's enemy.

Lt_Crooks
05-22-2004, 04:28 PM
I guess so, but my finaly answer is my famous quote" Do what you do "
people make thier own decisions which affect THEIR future the most I just like to give advice ;)

Fioraon
05-22-2004, 07:57 PM
Seeing as how he has wanted to join since sixth grade Im sure he is more than just another Combat Junkie who walked into the Army recruiting station asking to be a Ranger right after he walked out of the movie theater. We were all full of piss once, but it sounds like this guy is serious about becoming a Marine and I have complete faith that he knows that being a Marine is more then just blowing **** up. p-)

Cheers

molly747
05-22-2004, 10:29 PM
This is a good article about Marines in Iraq last year. They may be killers, but they're still kids.

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story?id=5938873

Brozozo
05-23-2004, 10:30 AM
This is a good article about Marines in Iraq last year. They may be killers, but they're still kids.

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story?id=5938873

Great article, read all three parts for maximum enjoyment!!!!