Serbia to host russian nuclear missiles,says Tomislav Nikolic

[Afro-European]

I don't know if he's joking or he's serious but this(hypothetical)plan will further isolate Serbia from the rest of the world.

http://www.itar-tass.com/eng/level2.html?NewsID=12294530&PageNum=0

[Snoshi]

"If the United States deploys its missiles in Europe for protecting their country against terrorism, Russia could in the same way create its stronghold in Serbia,” he continued. He even does not rule out a possibility of the deployment of Russian nuclear missiles in their country. “There is reason to hold talks on the problem, if this could make a contribution to ensuring Serbia’s security,” he said.
ok.........

[GodlessAmerica!]

Sounds great! At last Europe can spleep peacefully.

[asch]

Serbia to host russian nuclear missiles,says Tomislav Nikolic
you must try yourself in journalism, you have awfully adequate sense of exaggeration.

[edi213009]

We'll be glad to host some Abm interceptors in Albania then...always if aint any already in Bondsteel camp in Kosove(biggest base in Europe actually)...

[Guishin]

I don't know if he's joking or he's serious but this(hypothetical)plan will further isolate Serbia from the rest of the world.

http://www.itar-tass.com/eng/level2.html?NewsID=12294530&PageNum=0

Why spin everyone up on this? This is common BS and definitely not the first time Nikolic has said he would welcome Russian military bases in Serbia. The nuclear thing is just another move by Nikolic to spin everyone up. Gotta be careful not to fall for that kind of ****.

[kosse]

Wow. Like that would make all the Serbian problems go away. I can't believe this tard has such wide support and hope for the sake of the Serbian people that he won't be elected.

[Basillicus]

No problems as long as the missiles are in Russian hands instead of people like him. I'm a bit suprised there's still support for these guys in Serbia. Wouldn't it finally be time for Serbians to join rest of the Europe instead of continuing the path towards becoming poor and isolated "Serbia STRONG!11" -boneheads? Ultranationalistic BS may sound nice but it won't keep the country competetive in a globalized world.

[CPL Trevoga]

No problems as long as the missiles are in Russian hands instead of people like him. I'm a bit suprised there's still support for these guys in Serbia. Wouldn't it finally be time for Serbians to join rest of the Europe instead of continuing the path towards becoming poor and isolated "Serbia STRONG!11" -boneheads? Ultranationalistic BS may sound nice but it won't keep the country competetive in a globalized world.

What missiles? I quote the article, "He even does not rule out a possibility of the deployment of Russian nuclear missiles in their country."

You're are right. Serbia should join the rest of Europe and I'm sure after you bombed them for weeks and surrendered Kosovo to the local mafia they can't wait to joining you.

[GodlessAmerica!]

Wow. Like that would make all the Serbian problems go away. I can't believe this tard has such wide support and hope for the sake of the Serbian people that he won't be elected.



No problems as long as the missiles are in Russian hands instead of people like him. I'm a bit suprised there's still support for these guys in Serbia. Wouldn't it finally be time for Serbians to join rest of the Europe instead of continuing the path towards becoming poor and isolated "Serbia STRONG!11" -boneheads? Ultranationalistic BS may sound nice but it won't keep the country competetive in a globalized world.


What are you talking about, guys?:cantbeli:
And whats wrong with Russian military presence in Serbia?:|

[kosse]

You're are right. Serbia should join the rest of Europe and I'm sure after you bombed them for weeks and surrendered Kosovo to the local mafia they can't wait to joining you.

"You bombed"? I think you mean NATO did. And I really think they should join if they want to achieve any political leverage in this matter and not end up as Basillicus already described. It's time to move on.


What are you talking about, guys?:cantbeli:
And whats wrong with Russian military presence in Serbia?:|

I was mainly worried about his political rhetoric regarding the nukes. We don't need that stuff spreading anywhere and especially not to unstable region like the Balkans. Of course Russians would never agree to this either but this speech still speaks volumes about his views and aspirations. Well, I guess it's quite understandable - something like "Serbian radical party" cannot exist without a continuing conflict with the international community.

[Knez Eru]

roflroflroflroflrofl


This is the same man who expressed his wish for Serbia to become a Russian province.

[GodlessAmerica!]

And I really think they should join if they want to achieve any political leverage in this matter and not end up as Basillicus already described. It's time to move on.


Wouldn't it finally be time for Serbians to join rest of the Europe instead of continuing the path towards becoming poor and isolated "Serbia STRONG!11" -boneheads? Ultranationalistic BS may sound nice but it won't keep the country competetive in a globalized world.

"Yeah, if you are not with us, then you are against us!" Sounds very..... democratic.:|

[Kitsune]

I would regrad the stationing of nuclear missiles in Serbia as utterly unacceptable. That would really do it. Any reaction to this should be as strict as the American reaction was during the Cuba crisis.
But at present, I suspect that this is only Mr. Nikolic blowing himself up.

[JJC]

That negro-african guy is nothing but trouble. Always posting stupid ****.

I guess resorting to racist remarks makes you feel like a mental giant?

[kosse]

"Yeah, if you are not with us, then you are against us!" Sounds very..... democratic.:|

Serbia can stay alone for all I care. It's just not going to benefit the population at all. It's always better to sit in the tables where the decisions are made than to watch others deciding for you.

[Xaito]

I would regrad the stationing of nuclear missiles in Serbia as utterly unacceptable.

why? they'd be there not against you but against rogue countries like iran and north korea... right? ;)

[GodlessAmerica!]

Serbia can stay alone for all I care. It's just not going to benefit the population at all. It's always better to sit in the tables where the decisions are made than to watch others deciding for you.

You want to say that "normal" European country just cant have good relations with Russia? If country wants to cooperate with RF, it automatically become outcast?

[GodlessAmerica!]

why? they'd be there not against you but against rogue countries like iran and north korea... right? ;)

You mean Americans still havent reconsider their plans to build this anti-missile ****?

[Kilgor]

The title of this thread should be changed or locked. I often wonder how people made it through high school.

Russia would never agree to it and Europe and America would never allow it.


You mean Americans still havent reconsider their plans to build this anti-missile ****?

The missile shield is being build regardless of certain complains of a historical nature.

[GodlessAmerica!]

The missile shield is being build regardless of certain complains of a historical nature.

Well I hope the country, which this shield is being built against, wont be forced to test its reliability one day. ;)

[Afro-European]

Ik know. I twisted the title to make the discussion a lil bit heated.lmao


ok.........

[Afro-European]

Well,Nikolic is afraid coz Serbia is surrounded(or will be surrounded) by Nato country.So this move is motivated by security concern.But I don't even think he will get elected.So this sh!t won't happen.


Why spin everyone up on this? This is common BS and definitely not the first time Nikolic has said he would welcome Russian military bases in Serbia. The nuclear thing is just another move by Nikolic to spin everyone up. Gotta be careful not to fall for that kind of ****.

[Afro-European]

Thank you for backing me up.I asked the mod to "take some measures" against that intellectual midget.I thought we were better that this.


I guess resorting to racist remarks makes you feel like a mental giant?

[BW2]

LOLrofl wow how interesting, from the first to the very last comment, none of you have even a clue and I mean zilch of whats going on...

One - Nikolic is known for his often "big ideas"

Two - According to him the whole Serbia being a province is a joke "hence big ideas" which goes to show his character, I want a serious leader not a joker.

Three - I would absolutely love it if we did have some nukes, although its not as if we need them, Russia would not allow for a repeat of 99 or anything close to it. Besides Serbia is capable (and does) of spitting in the face of the US & EU despite having nukes which should give you a clue not to F**k with us, even with greater firepower, so frankly we dont care who has the bigger gun it means nothing to us.

Serbia is far from being isolated my friend. The EU is not inviting us in, the way they are acting their trying to pull us in! I hope you realize its all a game, they cant ignore Serbia because its the largest in size and military in the Balkans (excluding Greece) we control the Danube and are spot right in the center of East/West.

But enough of that, Nikolic is hardly a consistent person, His comment about Russian nukes in Serbia are his personal opinion.

[Afro-European]

I don't it will ever happen.I don't even think he will get elected.Do you still remember how things went in 2004? And what will Serbia acheive by hosting those missiles?
But he's right on one thing: Kosovo,which is a province of Serbia and should remain that way.I don't know any province in the world that has such a large autonomy as Kosovo has.




LOLrofl wow how interesting, from the first to the very last comment, none of you have even a clue and I mean zilch of whats going on...

One - Nikolic is known for his often "big ideas"

Two - According to him the whole Serbia being a province is a joke "hence big ideas" which goes to show his character, I want a serious leader not a joker.

Three - I would absolutely love it if we did have some nukes, although its not as if we need them, Russia would not allow for a repeat of 99 or anything close to it. Besides Serbia is capable (and does) of spitting in the face of the US & EU despite having nukes which should give you a clue not to F**k with us, even with greater firepower, so frankly we dont care who has the bigger gun it means nothing to us.

Serbia is far from being isolated my friend. The EU is not inviting us in, the way they are acting their trying to pull us in! I hope you realize its all a game, they cant ignore Serbia because its the largest in size and military in the Balkans (excluding Greece) we control the Danube and are spot right in the center of East/West.

But enough of that, Nikolic is hardly a consistent person, His comment about Russian nukes in Serbia are his personal opinion.

[BW2]

I don't it will ever happen.I don't even think he will get elected.Do you still remember how things went in 2004? And what will Serbia acheive by hosting those missiles?
But he's right on one thing: Kosovo,which is a province of Serbia and should remain that way.I don't know any province in the world that has such a large autonomy as Kosovo has.

My friend I couldn't agree with you more, Nikolic will not be elected. His inconsistency will make sure of that. He may act tough but his economic skills are lousy and Serbia hungers for economic dominance in the Balkans. Serbia doesn't need any nuclear missiles, we just signed a major oil deal with Russia to host the trunk of the south stream pipeline, we are untouchable so to say. Besides NATO will never try to bomb Serbia again, ....they still regret doing it the first time. p-)

Cheers

[GazB]

It's always better to sit in the tables where the decisions are made than to watch others deciding for you.

The problem is that this table is not in Serbia, it is in Brussels. And most of the major decisions have already been made and are not on the table to be changed. This means that Serbia would basically have to give up its economic and political independance to become a very small part of a political and economic block that only a few years earlier was doing its best to wipe out Serbias infrastructure and give up a large area of land. Hardly terms for a fruitful friendship.

[LETMEIN]

No problems as long as the missiles are in Russian hands instead of people like him. I'm a bit suprised there's still support for these guys in Serbia. Wouldn't it finally be time for Serbians to join rest of the Europe instead of continuing the path towards becoming poor and isolated "Serbia STRONG!11" -boneheads? Ultranationalistic BS may sound nice but it won't keep the country competetive in a globalized world.
You sound like a true "SELLOUT" all those atni-Serbian Wars of the 90's were wrong, but then again what does the west know about "truth" hu?
U.S. ain't a Democracy yet people are always say soroflroflrofl

[LETMEIN]

The title of this thread should be changed or locked. I often wonder how people made it through high school.

Russia would never agree to it and Europe and America would never allow it.



The missile shield is being build regardless of certain complains of a historical nature.
What are you talking about U.S./NATO wouldn't alow itrofl they couldn't stop it if Russia wanted them in Serbia.

[SrB-23Q]

i reckon thats complete bull**** because i dont think this kind of thing would ever get passed through the Serbian parliment in the first place..
Secondly Serbia is trying to do its best to keep Kosovo under Serbian control without any big international problems..expecially ones that would effect the Serbian economy. But if worst comes to worst Serbia will fight to keep Kosovo in Serbia if it has to. So i dont see this missile thing happening

[Flamming_Python]

Nukes in Serbia?

Ridiculous idea.

[Afro-European]

I agree.Nor the US or Nato can't prevent Russia from putting its missiles in Serbia.The only things they can do is saber rattling like what Rusia is doing against Poland and the Czech Republic or resort to sanctions(Americans are the best at that). As for Serbia,it won't achieve nothing by doing than more sanctions and further isolation.

What are you talking about U.S./NATO wouldn't alow itrofl they couldn't stop it if Russia wanted them in Serbia.

[TR1]

I guess resorting to racist remarks makes you feel like a mental giant?

Language diffirinces perhaps? after all, black people ARE alled "negrs" in Russia, and it's hardly derogatory.

[Dr_ColoSSus]

You sound like a true "SELLOUT" all those atni-Serbian Wars of the 90's were wrong, but then again what does the west know about "truth" hu?
U.S. ain't a Democracy yet people are always say soroflroflrofl




What are you talking about U.S./NATO wouldn't alow itrofl they couldn't stop it if Russia wanted them in Serbia


Clearly the most intelligent and insightful post....ever. :fork:
This is guy is my vote for dumbarse of the week.


Has anyone ever heard of the Cuban missile crisis?
Deploying Russian nuclear weapons in Serbia would certainly invoke a response from NATO. I would be needlessly provocative, especially considering that Russian Missile don't need to be based in Serbia to reach Europe. I doubt Russia would be willing to risk a war with NATO just for the sake of Serbia.

[I can't think of a name]

Has the USA's policy in the Balkans changed at all since the 1990s?

[asch]

Has anyone ever heard of the Cuban missile crisis?
you mean that for NATO to deploy launch platforms in Poland is a very stupid and irresponsible move? ;)

and about Nikolic remarks:
to deploy Russian military base in Serbia - well, if it gives us some advantage - why not.
to deploy Russian ICBM launch platforms in Serbia - no. i don't see any reason for it.

[Dr_ColoSSus]

you mean that for NATO to deploy launch platforms in Poland is a very stupid and irresponsible move? ;-)



Nice try,p-)

Firstly, The missiles in poland are defensive only. They cannot be used to attack Russia or anyone else. If the US really wanted to attack Russia,they can do so with their many ICBM's and SLBM's.

Secondly I fail to see how 10 interceptor missile in Poland are going to negate Russia's nuclear deterrent.

[asch]

i don't give a flying fvck about missiles, it's launch platforms so close to our borders that give us Russkies worries. and we don't have any reasons to trust NATO, what was proven in past ~ 15 years.

anyway, it's not a subject of this topic (and beaten here to death, i must add).

[Afro-European]

The US intend to put 10 missiles today,which will turn 20 tomorrow,which will further turn 30 the day after tomorrow,100 after 10 years, etc.Russia has the right worry about this since the US has forced the expansion of Nato eastwards, ignoring the pledge G.H.Bush did to Gorbachev in 1990 not to do so when USSR withdraw its troops from Eastern Europe.The US never keep its words.


Nice try,p-)

Firstly, The missiles in poland are defensive only. They cannot be used to attack Russia or anyone else. If the US really wanted to attack Russia,they can do so with their many ICBM's and SLBM's.

Secondly I fail to see how 10 interceptor missile in Poland are going to negate Russia's nuclear deterrent.

[BW2]

Has the USA's policy in the Balkans changed at all since the 1990s?

Shockingly not one bit...

[shadower]

I don't think it is going to happen but I wouldn't mind if we had some S/300V and SS-N-22 Sunburn.No one would dare to atack us like in 1999 if we are capable of f+ing them up an ranges up to several hundred km.I think we should stop aviation upgrade and invest money in mid and long range misilles.By the way in the pols 80% of population believe only Serbian Army could keep Kosovo in Serbia.

[AlboSwe]

By the way in the pols 80% of population believe only Serbian Army could keep Kosovo in Serbia.

And how would that go? Exactly...

[Drunkensquid]

Russian nukes in Serbia......LOL It will never happen...

When will they learn?

milosevic and his likes gave away kosovo for good....

[BW2]

When will they learn?

milosevic and his likes gave away kosovo for good....

tisk tisk.. such ignorance... :roll:

Nukes are not needed, that would only escalate the situation, but some S-400 missile defense systems would do just fine. :)

[Drunkensquid]

tisk tisk.. such ignorance... :roll:

Nukes are not needed, that would only escalate the situation, but some S-400 missile defense systems would do just fine. :)


Milosevic was a nothing but a criminal thug like Saddam. Serbia is suffering the consequences for the wars he started and with the current idiot elected the Serbs continue on the same path.

No ignorance here, just the sad truth....


and the S400 is useless if you don't have enough missiles to go with them.....we all know they are not cheap....

[asch]

Milosevic was a nothing but a criminal thug like Saddam. Serbia is suffering the consequences for the wars he started and with the current idiot elected the Serbs continue on the same path.

No ignorance here, just the sad truth...
such "sad truth" called "trolling" here.

[BW2]

Milosevic was a nothing but a criminal thug like Saddam.

True, no disagreement there. He was a phony who played on peoples emotions for his own personal gain. Any sane Serb knows what Milosevic was like.


Serbia is suffering the consequences for the wars he started He didn't have the brains to start any conflict. But since you insist on it please point out all those "conflicts" started by him, this should be good...


with the current idiot elected the Serbs continue on the same path. Who are you implying exactly? The elections are on going...

Perhaps if you followed any development you would know where Serbia stands today, Serbia is not North Korea or some other hostile nation, unlike those Serbia actually has a reason to be pissed, but it doesn't mean they are ready to draw the gun on any given note, just that they don't take crap from anyone no matter how big of a power they are. If you believe Serbia is headed for war then theres no point in trying to educate you any further.

[Sergei]

Nice try,p-)

Firstly, The missiles in poland are defensive only. They cannot be used to attack Russia or anyone else. If the US really wanted to attack Russia,they can do so with their many ICBM's and SLBM's.

Secondly I fail to see how 10 interceptor missile in Poland are going to negate Russia's nuclear deterrent.

Is it written in the manual to the rocket that it is a "defensive only"?

They can't? How come? By just being there they are already upsetting the balance that MAD ever was.

10 interceptror missiles is enough to cushion the weak response after first US strike on Russia. And don't tell me such plans don't exist.

[Sergei]

Milosevic was a nothing but a criminal thug like Saddam. Serbia is suffering the consequences for the wars he started and with the current idiot elected the Serbs continue on the same path.

No ignorance here, just the sad truth....


and the S400 is useless if you don't have enough missiles to go with them.....we all know they are not cheap....

Let the Serbs decide their future, shall they, big white master?

[petarst87]

Is good for Serbia to get closer to Russia, but the nukes idea is inposible, Serbia has a moratorium on nucliar energy until 2010, power plants and weapons!

Even if we had nucliar missiles no one in there right mind would use them.

BTW I totaly agree that we need S400.

[GazB]

Secondly I fail to see how 10 interceptor missile in Poland are going to negate Russia's nuclear deterrent.

How could interceptor missiles designed to bring down ICBMs NOT effect Russian nuclear deterrent, which is based on ICBMs.
The US has simply stated it is going to put 10 interceptor missiles in Poland, it hasn't asked if that was OK with anyone. Next year it might state it is building another interceptor system in Japan focussed on missiles from North Korea, with perhaps 30 interceptors, and adding another 20 interceptors in Poland. It is like policing a speed limit... if the speed limit is 50km/h the cops might start issuing tickets for people travelling at 60km/h... so why pick 60km/h, why not the 50km/h speed limit? Why not 65km/h? The reality is that the cops have to decide on a figure that is in the publics interest, a hard figure that doesn't allow for discresion (ie abuse). In this case however the US already has about 60 interceptor missiles in the US. Add some in Poland along with a radar that for the first time gives the US a radar that can peer deep into Russian airspace and then add some in Japan and it does effect Russian nuclear deterrent capability. With the only in effect nuclear agreement, the Moscow treaty limiting Strategic nuclear warheads to about 1,700 by 2012 this means that 1700/3 are going to be ICBM, with the other two thirds being on SSBNs and Strategic bombers. 1700/3 = just over 566 warheads for ICBMs. Now a lot of ICBMs currently in service (ie SS-18) have 10 warheads per missile. The new replacement ICBM (RS-32) also will have ten warheads per missile which means that when it and the TOPOL-M are standard Russian ICBMs they will have about 80 odd ICBMs with probably about 50-60 TOPOL-Ms with three warheads each plus 40 or so RS-32s with 10 warheads each. This means less that 100 missiles... suddenly 10 interceptors in Poland, plus 60 in the US start to reflect a significant fraction of Russian nuclear deterrence. Put 100 F-22s shooting down cruise missiles launched by the bombers and Seawolfs tailing Russian SSBNs and of course US stealth bombers attacking ICBM fields in Russia... the Russians have probably repaired their radar network and adopted the S-400 system just in time.

[Violet Fashion by Mindy]

As long as the Nuclear Non Proliferation Treaty is in effect there can be no missiles in Serbia nor can there be A missile defensive shield.

[Afro-European]

What?
Have you never heard about the nuclear sharing agreement that the US have with 7 Nato countries? Since the cold war,the US has stationed 480 gravity bombs in The Netherlands,Belgium,Turkey,UK,Germany,Spain and Italy.Those countries were allowed(are still allowed)to use them in a event of war against the USSR(now Russia).The US can share nukes with other countries but Russia can't.I've never understood that logic. As for the missile shields,the US and Poland agreed on friday to deploy them in Poland.Here is the link: http://en.rian.ru/world/20080201/98206488.html

As long as the Nuclear Non Proliferation Treaty is in effect there can be no missiles in Serbia nor can there be A missile defensive shield.

[V.I.D.]

Good point, Afro-European. Too bad some people are not capable looking past the hypocrisy, but there will be plenty of time to contemplate once everything gets destroyed.

[naymeria]

What?
Have you never heard about the nuclear sharing agreement that the US have with 7 Nato countries? Since the cold war,the US has stationed 480 gravity bombs in The Netherlands,Belgium,Turkey,UK,Germany,Spain and Italy.Those countries were allowed(are still allowed)to use them in a event of war against the USSR(now Russia).The US can share nukes with other countries but Russia can't.I've never understood that logic. As for the missile shields,the US and Poland agreed on friday to deploy them in Poland.Here is the link: http://en.rian.ru/world/20080201/98206488.html


Italy has 90 nuclear warheads, but they are of exclusive property and use of the usa, not of italy.
So, italians aren't allowed to use them against anyone.
Furthermore, at present signatures are being collected to present in parliament a law to ban them from the country.

Nay

[Afro-European]

Totally false.Read this:

The United States continued to deploy roughly 480 nuclear bombs in Europe, more than double the number normally estimated by the media and non-governmental analysts.The 480 nuclear bombs in Europe are the last of a huge arsenal of forward-deployed weapons that NATO and the Warsaw Pact used to deploy in Europe during the Cold War.The stockpile peaked at some 7,300 nuclear warheads in 1973 and gradually declined over the subsequent years. In 1991, the U.S. government decided -- and NATO agreed -- to withdraw almost all of the remaining weapons, but left 480 air-delivered bombs in place.Today, the United States is the only nuclear power that continues to deploy nuclear weapons outside its own territory. The approximately 480 nuclear bombs in Europe are intended for use in accordance with NATO nuclear strike plans, the report asserts, against targets in Russia or countries in the Middle East such as Iran and Syria.The report shows for the first time how many U.S. nuclear bombs are earmarked for delivery by non-nuclear NATO countries. In times of war, under certain circumstances, up to 180 of the 480 nuclear bombs would be handed over to Belgium, Germany, Italy, the Netherlands and Turkey for delivery by their national air forces. No other nuclear power or military alliance has nuclear weapons earmarked for delivery by non-nuclear countries

Here is the full link: http://www.nukestrat.com/us/afn/nato.htm

The Us is the biggest hypocite in the world.




Italy has 90 nuclear warheads, but they are of exclusive property and use of the usa, not of italy.
So, italians aren't allowed to use them against anyone.
Furthermore, at present signatures are being collected to present in parliament a law to ban them from the country.

Nay

[Afro-European]

Indeed.It shouldn't be a problem that Russia deploys its missiles in Serbia(which is impossible) since the US does the same even when Russia withdrew all its nuclear weapons from Eastern Europe.


Good point, Afro-European. Too bad some people are not capable looking past the hypocrisy, but there will be plenty of time to contemplate once everything gets destroyed.