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Maverick77
05-22-2004, 08:20 PM
http://wwwi.*******.com/images/2004-05-21T151713Z_01_BAG14_RTRIDSP_2_IRAQ.jpg

http://wwwi.*******.com/images/2004-05-21T145042Z_01_BAG16_RTRIDSP_2_IRAQ.jpg

http://wwwi.*******.com/images/2004-05-19T125514Z_01_BAG16D_RTRIDSP_2_IRAQ.jpg

http://wwwi.*******.com/images/2004-05-19T124040Z_01_BAG15D_RTRIDSP_2_IRAQ.jpg

http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20040515/i/r2888209532.jpg

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20040511/capt.bag11105111546.iraq_bag111.jpg

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20040511/capt.bag11005111527.iraq__bag110.jpg

http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20040510/i/ra3130344988.jpg

http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20040510/i/r1743374688.jpg


http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20040510/i/r1353000761.jpg

Maverick77
05-22-2004, 08:24 PM
http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20040510/i/r4281398242.jpg

http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20040503/i/ra2784283739.jpg

http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20040501/i/r3995198082.jpg


http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/afp/20040425/capt.sge.ker53.250404015303.photo04.default-369x276.jpg

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/afp/20040424/capt.sge.kem31.240404230014.photo00.default-384x253.jpg

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20040521/capt.bag11605212205.iraq_bag116.jpg

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20040521/capt.bag11705212205.iraq_bag117.jpg

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/afp/20040517/capt.sge.rdh56.170504224749.photo03.default-265x380.jpg

Maverick77
05-22-2004, 08:31 PM
http://rds.yahoo.com/S=96062883/K=iraqi+gunmen/v=2/l=IVI/*-http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20040509/i/r244851029.jpg

http://rds.yahoo.com/S=96062883/K=iraqi+gunmen/v=2/l=IVI/*-http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20040508/i/r369491948.jpg

http://rds.yahoo.com/S=96062883/K=iraqi+gunmen/v=2/l=IVI/*-http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20040421/i/r1790804414.jpg

http://rds.yahoo.com/S=96062883/K=iraqi+gunmen/v=2/l=IVI/*-http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20040509/i/r3559482169.jpg

http://rds.yahoo.com/S=96062883/K=iraqi+gunmen/v=2/l=IVI/*-http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20040508/i/r296280634.jpg

http://rds.yahoo.com/S=96062883/K=iraqi+fighters/v=2/l=IVI/*-http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/en/doc/2003-10/18/xinsrc_91e6c711015811d895100004230fa5ee_iraq.jpg

http://rds.yahoo.com/S=96062883/K=iraqi+insurgents/v=2/l=IVI/*-http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20040505/i/r467171999.jpg

Bombtrack
05-22-2004, 09:24 PM
Awesome pics.

Why do they tape up the RPG's?

Maverick77
05-22-2004, 09:45 PM
Im not really sure but I read before that some of them think that American vehicles have a forcefield or something around them and that the tape allows the RPG round the pass through the forcefield.


as retarted as that sounds

Marmot1
05-22-2004, 10:20 PM
hmmm so for the same reason they use plastic bags on RPG....

American Patriot
05-22-2004, 10:30 PM
They've been eating retard sandwiches.

gary-amsterdam
05-22-2004, 10:56 PM
They've been eating retard sandwiches.

if they were so retarded the americans would have killed them all by now éh... wiseguy.

American Patriot
05-22-2004, 11:07 PM
They've been eating retard sandwiches.

if they were so retarded the americans would have killed them all by now éh... wiseguy.

??

Vance
05-22-2004, 11:12 PM
http://rds.yahoo.com/S=96062883/K=iraqi+gunmen/v=2/l=IVI/*-http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20040508/i/r369491948.jpg

"Hey Omar, you see that movie Someone Like You?"

"Nah man, I heard it got good ratings though."

"Dude. Total chick flick."

ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð
05-22-2004, 11:24 PM
Most of them seem to be wearing oldschool russian type chircom vests.

to free the oppressed
05-22-2004, 11:37 PM
http://wwwi.*******.com/images/2004-05-19T125514Z_01_BAG16D_RTRIDSP_2_IRAQ.jpg
Is that a German MP-44?

mattnwnc03
05-22-2004, 11:55 PM
when i was over there in the first gulf war they have enough ak s and rpg to fill the super dome.there every where laying on the side of the road.we ran out of c-4 blowing them up so we started running them over with a bull dozer.

Chrome Beretta
05-22-2004, 11:55 PM
Yes, its an MP44, or StG 44.






Im not really sure but I read before that some of them think that American vehicles have a forcefield or something around them and that the tape allows the RPG round the pass through the forcefield.


as retarted as that sounds


Maby the humvees have a magnetic feild around them that does somthing to the rpgs?.

iflu
05-23-2004, 02:44 AM
hmmm so for the same reason they use plastic bags on RPG....

anyway..RPG proved to be a very effective weapon. so cheap ao lethal

Operator Gordon
05-23-2004, 03:57 AM
Like most of you guys iv'e watched the goings on in Iraq and the Al Sadur situation and I think we need a shed load of the US's best snipers all over the troubled city's in Iraq taking out those insurgents from long range, there ain't no better way to scare those muppets than to take em' out and they can't hit or see s**t. They want it up close and with IED's but I feel this can be a clinical and deadly way of dealing with this headache to the coalition (i'm sure that this is already going on but I just wanted to add my thoughts).

Stalky-Italy
05-23-2004, 09:08 AM
KILL 'EM ALL


http://wwwi.*******.com/images/2004-05-21T151713Z_01_BAG14_RTRIDSP_2_IRAQ.jpg

http://wwwi.*******.com/images/2004-05-21T145042Z_01_BAG16_RTRIDSP_2_IRAQ.jpg

http://wwwi.*******.com/images/2004-05-19T125514Z_01_BAG16D_RTRIDSP_2_IRAQ.jpg

http://wwwi.*******.com/images/2004-05-19T124040Z_01_BAG15D_RTRIDSP_2_IRAQ.jpg

http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20040515/i/r2888209532.jpg

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20040511/capt.bag11105111546.iraq_bag111.jpg

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20040511/capt.bag11005111527.iraq__bag110.jpg

http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20040510/i/ra3130344988.jpg

http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20040510/i/r1743374688.jpg


http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20040510/i/r1353000761.jpg

Fargin
05-23-2004, 09:19 AM
http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20040515/i/r2888209532.jpg
That's a cute kid and that's a proud father. Look at his eyes.

scm77
05-23-2004, 09:27 AM
http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20040515/i/r2888209532.jpg
Yes it is a proud father. Hopefully he will be dead before he sees the kid again though. :fork:

Obergefreiter
05-23-2004, 09:29 AM
http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20040515/i/r2888209532.jpg
That's a cute kid and that's a proud father. Look at his eyes.

Now I see the picture and think it looks like a picture taken somewhere in the west. I get the image of somewhere in New England area of the U.S.

Look at the nice painted railing, nice flowers, it looks western, from a place that is clean and at least middle-class.

If it is, I would not want to be him if wounded and / or captured. Even if it is his kid and some American finds the picture and gets the same idea about it as I did. I know what I or anyone I served with would do to him.

Fargin
05-23-2004, 09:50 AM
Are you saying that this pic is fake, because you can't believe this is a family man?

His faces is covered, but you can see the love for this kids shining through.

SiFiOn
05-23-2004, 09:52 AM
I don't like 'm.

Obergefreiter
05-23-2004, 10:06 AM
Are you saying that this pic is fake, because you can't believe this is a family man?

His faces is covered, but you can see the love for this kids shining through.

No I am not saying it is fake. I am saying that it looks as if it was taken from a someone from the west. (for the reasons I gave)

Chris Mrosko
05-23-2004, 10:10 AM
Yeah,where were these bad ass HOMBRES when we first entered their country? Sadam would of liked to known. Bunch of whimps.

gary-amsterdam
05-23-2004, 10:13 AM
Yeah,where were these bad ass HOMBRES when we first entered their country? Sadam would of liked to known. Bunch of whimps.

Sadam didn't give them the chance for an uprising :)

Fargin
05-23-2004, 10:44 AM
No I am not saying it is fake. I am saying that it looks as if it was taken from a someone from the west. (for the reasons I gave)

You'd be surprised, not all of them are living in manholes and ruins. Especially not those who fight to restore the old regime. Keep in mind it's a family portrait and not all of them wear rags and live in ruins. 12 years ago Iraq had an oppressed, but prosperous middelclass.


Bunch of whimps.
Whimps or not, they're proberly more effective now. Instead of sitting like a fat duck in some trench waiting for the big bad US hi-tec grim reaper. You fight with what you got and you fight to win.

el_kab0ng
05-23-2004, 11:44 AM
http://wwwi.*******.com/images/2004-05-19T125514Z_01_BAG16D_RTRIDSP_2_IRAQ.jpg

$20 says he doesn't have any ammunition for that. AFAIK 7.92 short isn't being produced anymore, and since the quantities of STG-44's were in short supply during the war, ammunition was not as plentiful as it is with the standard 8mm.

JMooch
05-23-2004, 12:39 PM
Many times when you see something taped to the RPG's, it's most likely something like 10 penny nails or something equivalent to increase the frag producing affects of the warheads. What the fools forgot to do was compensate for the added weight on the flight of the warheads. Most of the shots I saw that had **** like this, were impacting short of the intended targets.
S/F
Mooch

muede
05-23-2004, 01:38 PM
Good pics, brave mofos, as they are as they dare to challenge the might of US Army and Marines with AK:s and RPG's only.

I just wonder that how many of those that said "kill em all" would dare to do the same... against Apaches, Spectres, Abrams and Bradleys.
Think people that of what kind of people are you talking about before you taunt em.
And anyways id figure that most of the people in the pics are dead already anyhow.

gary-amsterdam
05-23-2004, 01:48 PM
http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20040515/i/r2888209532.jpg

I think his kid was probably killed by the americans and that's why he's showing it/fighting for al sadr.

-=TFN=-Karab
05-23-2004, 01:56 PM
Like most of you guys iv'e watched the goings on in Iraq and the Al Sadur situation and I think we need a shed load of the US's best snipers all over the troubled city's in Iraq taking out those insurgents from long range, there ain't no better way to scare those muppets than to take em' out and they can't hit or see s**t. They want it up close and with IED's but I feel this can be a clinical and deadly way of dealing with this headache to the coalition (i'm sure that this is already going on but I just wanted to add my thoughts).

Or we can continue blowing up the uprising mobs with our AC130s. Easier to pick them off that way :D Only problem is the blast area.

Shake n Bake
05-23-2004, 02:27 PM
Sniper fodder :lol:

WolverineBlue
05-23-2004, 03:33 PM
http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20040515/i/r2888209532.jpg
That's a cute kid and that's a proud father. Look at his eyes.

Now I see the picture and think it looks like a picture taken somewhere in the west. I get the image of somewhere in New England area of the U.S.

Look at the nice painted railing, nice flowers, it looks western, from a place that is clean and at least middle-class.

If it is, I would not want to be him if wounded and / or captured. Even if it is his kid and some American finds the picture and gets the same idea about it as I did. I know what I or anyone I served with would do to him.

Have you ever heard of photo studios? I'm sure they had them in Iraq.

M_S
05-23-2004, 03:34 PM
Brave men.

afrographX
05-24-2004, 03:23 AM
http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20040515/i/r2888209532.jpg
That's a cute kid and that's a proud father. Look at his eyes.

Now I see the picture and think it looks like a picture taken somewhere in the west. I get the image of somewhere in New England area of the U.S.

Look at the nice painted railing, nice flowers, it looks western, from a place that is clean and at least middle-class.

If it is, I would not want to be him if wounded and / or captured. Even if it is his kid and some American finds the picture and gets the same idea about it as I did. I know what I or anyone I served with would do to him.

your statements illustrate an intersting points about the relations one have about persons shown on the media. every human naturally feels closer to other people if their outward appaerance, behaviour and attitude is similiar to the own ones.

if people on this forum see an iraqui insurgent with a mask or without I think most people only see the enemy in him. the fact alone that he shows this western-style picture which refers to ower culture and our life forces us to think differently about him.

this leads to another point. if it's so easy to change the image we have of foreign people it's very easy to propagate others as enemy. here is where propaganda finds a base to start.

muede
05-24-2004, 11:13 AM
They are people, just like you and me, and people tend to love/like/enjoy/feel same kinds of things if they are "normal". And most of them are....

And belive it or not, many of the people (insurgents) that you call as terrorists or as animals are pretty normal, and if they were your boys and fighting agaisnt same kinds of odds youd be proud of them.

In short: Iraqis also like pretty flowers and love their children, as they are human beings.

American Patriot
05-24-2004, 11:52 AM
They look good lying dead on the ground.

Elmo
05-24-2004, 12:21 PM
They look good lying dead on the ground.

They look as gross lying dead on the ground as any G.I. lying dead on the ground.

Midav
05-24-2004, 01:35 PM
They look good lying dead on the ground.

They look as gross lying dead on the ground as any G.I. lying dead on the ground.

They look as gross as anyone lying dead on the ground.

Catch is most of us here rather see these POS's lying dead on the ground, not US forces ;)

muede
05-24-2004, 02:07 PM
I think and i really hope im right when i say that most here dont want to see anybody dead on the ground...

Jazz_Hazz
05-24-2004, 02:16 PM
http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20040515/i/r2888209532.jpg
That's a cute kid and that's a proud father. Look at his eyes.

Not for beeing an ass, but he's eyes looks quite empty, this man is living for vengeance.

Midav
05-24-2004, 02:31 PM
I think and i really hope im right when i say that most here dont want to see anybody dead on the ground...

I understand everyone has their own views and opinions.

Mine is according to knowing there is a war going on.

People are dying. I choose my people to be victorious in battle.

So, if there is battle raging, I hope US/Coalition forces kill many insurgents, terrorists.

My view. My opinion.

Lt_Crooks
05-24-2004, 02:38 PM
M_S wrote:
Brave men.


how could you call these cowards brave men. were where they when the marines first rolled through?? rofl

usa320
05-24-2004, 03:31 PM
were still kicking their ****ing asses.

HEY MUCKTARD AL SADR, WERE COMMING FOR YOUR FAT ASS.

cqbrdy
05-24-2004, 03:35 PM
[quote]somewhere in New England area of the U.S. suv's movin out, rifles in hand. we'll find'm.

Tengu
05-24-2004, 03:36 PM
http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20040515/i/r2888209532.jpg
That's a cute kid and that's a proud father. Look at his eyes.I'd still like to kill his ass.

Maverick77
05-24-2004, 03:43 PM
"we" are doing nothing Coalition forces are the ones doing over there.

stop saying we when your on a ****ing computer doing nothing

American Patriot
05-24-2004, 03:49 PM
"We" as in "my country's military" you dolt.

Saranof
05-24-2004, 04:14 PM
They are people, just like you and me, and people tend to love/like/enjoy/feel same kinds of things if they are "normal". And most of them are....

And belive it or not, many of the people (insurgents) that you call as terrorists or as animals are pretty normal, and if they were your boys and fighting agaisnt same kinds of odds youd be proud of them.

In short: Iraqis also like pretty flowers and love their children, as they are human beings.

Thats true. Most/ many people seem to think that iraquis love killing americans and live in small mud houses. Shame. Most iraquis I know came from normal middleclass homes.

He219
05-24-2004, 04:32 PM
http://cache.*****images.com/comp/3284174.jpg?x=x&dasite=MS_GINS&ef=2&ev=1&dareq=B4937501880CAF52B07ED914A1875D9F

ABU GHARIB, IRAQ: An Iraqi insurgent walks past an executed driver of a US tanker after attacking with rocket-propelled grenades (RPG) 09 April 2004 in Abu Gharib, 15 kms west of Baghdad. A US military convoy was attacked on the road leading Baghdad to Fallujah. AFP PHOTO/Antonio SCORZA (Photo credit should read ANTONIO SCORZA/AFP/***** Images)

Extremely Graphic Image! (http://cache.*****images.com/comp/3284217.jpg?x=x&dasite=MS_GINS&ef=2&ev=1&dareq=B4937501880CAF52FFBFC9A922EF11EA)
:(

ibstolidude
05-24-2004, 04:47 PM
http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20040515/i/r2888209532.jpg

I think his kid was probably killed by the americans and that's why he's showing it/fighting for al sadr.
saying that is as ignorant and assuming as stating that he likely took from a killed american, as they typically war trophy the enemy dead.

2Sheds_Jackson
05-24-2004, 05:08 PM
Yikes. These ignorant mofos think that wrapping their RPGs in a Glad bag will protect it from the "magnetic field weapon" around our vehicles? That's insane.

They also believed the sunglasses we wear allowed us to see through women's clothing.

It is therefore fair to ask - are they also similarly misled about what America is there for? Of course they are. They have absolutely no clue what they're doing, apart from what they're told to do.

These clueless (albeit brave/foolhardy) pawns are throwing themselves into the meat grinder. Sad.

gary-amsterdam
05-24-2004, 05:26 PM
American patriot? Have you ever served?

Elmo
05-24-2004, 05:33 PM
It is therefore fair to ask - are they also similarly misled about what America is there for? Of course they are. They have absolutely no clue what they're doing, apart from what they're told to do.

These clueless (albeit brave/foolhardy) pawns are throwing themselves into the meat grinder. Sad.

Well well. Quite a statement. I kind of agree though. There are misled pawns in Iraq.

gary-amsterdam
05-24-2004, 05:46 PM
Bush just should have said "we are attacking iraq because saddam houssein is an evil man and we need oil ktnx"

+10 points for being truthfull :P

Tengu
05-24-2004, 05:56 PM
Bush just should have said "we are attacking iraq because saddam houssein is an evil man and we need oil ktnx"

+10 points for being truthfull :Pthat explains the high oil prices :roll:

gary-amsterdam
05-24-2004, 06:01 PM
Bush just should have said "we are attacking iraq because saddam houssein is an evil man and we need oil ktnx"

+10 points for being truthfull :Pthat explains the high oil prices :roll:

meaby its something to do with spending billions and billions on a stupid war?

Tengu
05-24-2004, 06:14 PM
still doesnt make any sense

ronin2172
05-24-2004, 06:20 PM
Bush just should have said "we are attacking iraq because saddam houssein is an evil man and we need oil ktnx"

+10 points for being truthfull :Pthat explains the high oil prices :roll:

meaby its something to do with spending billions and billions on a stupid war?
wow, i hope u never teach economics in your local school....

Tengu
05-24-2004, 06:21 PM
don't worry the dutch education is bad but not that bad

gary-amsterdam
05-24-2004, 06:22 PM
:)

5jumpchump
05-24-2004, 06:59 PM
No wonder there are so many "civillians" killed in this war . You got one guy taking a position to fire his weapon and then "by-standers" hanging out like it's a game . Oh but wait , that one guy has a 700 year old antique sword ! ALL COMBATANTS !

Brozozo
05-24-2004, 07:05 PM
Interesting thing is that a lot of those insurgents have probably been killed since those photos have been taken. :D

gary-amsterdam
05-24-2004, 07:10 PM
don't worry the dutch education is bad but not that bad

integendeel, wij hebben hele goede scholen.

JMooch
05-24-2004, 07:34 PM
M_S wrote:

"Brave men."

My ass they are. They hide behind women, children and holy sites. I've been there and seen it and unfortunately had to engage them while they were doing it. There is nothing honorable about the way they fight. They know our rules of engagement and use them against us.
We learned quickly that when they were hiding behind women and kids that if you put a few rounds in the air, the "shields" would run and leave the assholes with no cover.
F**k those chicken ****s. I'd do it all over again in a heartbeat.
In the 3 months I was in Iraq (March 2003 - May 2003) I never heard one Iraqi say one bad thing about the US. They had questions and considerations (mostly quality of life issues, ie. medicine, fresh water, fuel, etc.). Once we ironed those issues out, we were always welcome in every village, town and city. They all hated Saddam and were glad we came.
Someone else said it and I can't remember where, but here it is:
"No other fighting force in the history of mankind, has gone to the lengths we have to avoid civilian casualties".
This is more true than any of you could possibly fathom (unless you were there). I've seen Marines get hit, trying to get Iraqi civilians out of the line of fire or evacing the wounded Iraqis under fire.
One Marine who was wounded rescuing a wounded Iraqi child told me that he would "do it again in spades" because "those kids are why we're here...to make sure they have a future".
All of you armchair quaterbacking, liberal assholes should shut your mouths, that is unless you want to grab a rifle and get into the ****. Otherwise you don't really rate and opinion.
Semper Fidelis,
Mooch

seruriermarshal
05-24-2004, 07:40 PM
Just some Iraq sh*t .

talib_killa34
05-25-2004, 01:24 AM
M_S wrote:

"Brave men."

My ass they are. They hide behind women, children and holy sites. I've been there and seen it and unfortunately had to engage them while they were doing it. There is nothing honorable about the way they fight. They know our rules of engagement and use them against us.
We learned quickly that when they were hiding behind women and kids that if you put a few rounds in the air, the "shields" would run and leave the assholes with no cover.
F**k those chicken ****s. I'd do it all over again in a heartbeat.
In the 3 months I was in Iraq (March 2003 - May 2003) I never heard one Iraqi say one bad thing about the US. They had questions and considerations (mostly quality of life issues, ie. medicine, fresh water,
fuel, etc.). Once we ironed those issues out, we were always welcome in every village, town and city. They all hated Saddam and were glad we came.
Someone else said it and I can't remember where, but here it is:
"No other fighting force in the history of mankind, has gone to the lengths we have to avoid civilian casualties".
This is more true than any of you could possibly fathom (unless you were there). I've seen Marines get hit, trying to get Iraqi civilians out of the line of fire or evacing the wounded Iraqis under fire.
One Marine who was wounded rescuing a wounded Iraqi child told me that he would "do it again in spades" because "those kids are why we're here...to make sure they have a future".
All of you armchair quaterbacking, liberal assholes should shut your mouths, that is unless you want to grab a rifle and get into the ****. Otherwise you don't really rate and opinion.
Semper Fidelis,
Mooch

Well said.


"No other fighting force in the history of mankind, has gone to the lengths we have to avoid civilian casualties".

I think that was in "The March Up".

I think.

Scottie
05-25-2004, 03:16 AM
Interesting thing is that a lot of those insurgents have probably been killed since those photos have been taken. :D

Thats what I was thinking :roll: :roll:

Tengu
05-25-2004, 07:59 AM
don't worry the dutch education is bad but not that bad

integendeel, wij hebben hele goede scholen. rofl

2Sheds_Jackson
05-25-2004, 10:02 AM
It is therefore fair to ask - are they also similarly misled about what America is there for? Of course they are. They have absolutely no clue what they're doing, apart from what they're told to do.

These clueless (albeit brave/foolhardy) pawns are throwing themselves into the meat grinder. Sad.

Well well. Quite a statement. I kind of agree though. There are misled pawns in Iraq.

Well, I was waiting for someone to pick it up, so congratulations for taking the bait :lol: Of course, you're implying that the pawns in Iraq are the coalition soldiers.

Can you explain how a coalition soldier, who has had full access to a comprehensive education, a plurality of political opinion, and an open and free press is a "pawn"?

On the other hand, we have the militant Islamists. Their "education" consists of spending their entire youth in a madras, endlessly copying the Koran until they have it memorized, word for word. That's it. No "free speech" zones on campus. No diversity training. No interpretive dance, theatre, art history, or basket weaving electives. All they get from the time they leave their mother's breast the time they get their AK-47 is the Koran, and the maniacal anti-US diatribes from the Cleric.

So do explain which of these two groups is more likely to not have a grip on reality.

One only has to look at the accomplishments of the two groups. On one hand, the West produces people that can go to the moon, construct suspension bridges, land on mars, cure diseases etc. And of course the madras system produces - mind-numbed killers.