Iran's anti-Semitic Aryan legacy.

[Galil Stein]

Denial of Holocaust nothing new in Iran
Ties to Hitler led to plots against British and Jews


Edwin Black





Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has shot to the forefront of Holocaust denial with his rabble-rousing remarks last month. But it's more like self-denial. The president of Iran need only look to his country's Hitler-era past to discover that Iran and Iranians were strongly connected to the Holocaust and the Hitler regime, as was the entire Islamic world under the leadership of the mufti of Jerusalem.

Iran's axis with the Third Reich began during the prewar years, when it welcomed Nazi Gestapo agents and other operatives to Tehran, allowing them to use the city as a base for Middle East agitation against the British and the region's Jews.

Key among these German agents was Fritz Grobba, Berlin's envoy to the Middle East, who was often called "the German Lawrence," because he promised a Pan-Islamic state stretching from Casablanca to Tehran.
Relations between Berlin and Tehran were strong from the moment Hitler came to power in 1933. At that time, Reza Shah Pahlavi's nation was known as Persia. The shah became a stalwart admirer of Hitler, Nazism and the concept of the Aryan master race. He also sought the Reich's help in reducing British petro-political domination.

So intense was the shah's identification with the Third Reich that in 1935 he renamed his ancient country "Iran," which in Farsi means Aryan and refers to the Proto-Indo-European lineage that Nazi racial theorists and Persian ethnologists cherished.

The idea for the name change was suggested by the Iranian ambassador to Germany, who came under the influence of Hitler's trusted banker, Hjalmar Schacht. From that point, all Iranians were constantly reminded that their country shared a common bond with the Nazi regime.
Shortly after World War II broke out in 1939, the Mufti of Jerusalem crafted a strategic alliance with Hitler to exchange Iraqi oil for active Arab and Islamic participation in the murder of Jews in the Mideast and Eastern Europe. This was predicated on support for a pan-Arab state and Arab control over Palestine.

During the war years, Iran became a haven for Gestapo agents. It was from Iran that the seeds of the abortive 1941 pro-Nazi coup in Baghdad were planted. After Churchill's forces booted the Nazis out of Iraq in June 1941, German aircrews supporting Nazi bombers escaped across Iraq's northern border back into Iran.

Likewise, the mufti of Jerusalem was spirited across the border to Tehran, where he continued to call for the destruction of the Jews and the defeat of the British.

His venomous rhetoric filled the newspapers and radio broadcasts in Tehran. The mufti was a vocal opponent of allowing Jewish refugees to be transported or ransomed into Jewish Palestine. Instead, he wanted them shipped to the gas chambers of Poland.

In the summer of 1941, the mufti, with the support of key Iranian military and government leaders, advocated implementing in Iran what had failed months earlier in Iraq. The plan once again was for a total diversion of oil from the Allies to the Nazis, in exchange for the accelerated destruction of the Jews in Eastern Europe and the Nazis' support for an Arab state. Through the Anglo-Iranian Oil Co., Iran had already been supplying Hitler's forces in occupied Czechoslovakia and Austria.
Now, the mufti agitated to cut off the British and the Allies completely and supply Germany in its push against Russia.

In October 1941, British, USSR other allied forces invaded Iran to break up the Iran-Nazi alliance. Pro-Nazi generals and ministers were arrested, and the shah's son was installed in power. The mufti scampered into the Italian embassy, where he shaved his beard and dyed his hair. In this disguise, he was allowed to leave the country along with the rest of the Italian delegation.

Once the mufti relocated permanently to Berlin, where he established his own Reich-supported "bureau," he was given airtime on Radio Berlin. From Berlin and other fascist capitals in Europe, the mufti continued to agitate for international Jewish destruction, as well as a pan-Islamic alliance with the Nazi regime.

He called upon all Muslims to "kill the Jews wherever you see them." In Tehran's marketplace, it was common to see placards that declared, "In heaven, Allah is your master. On Earth, it is Adolf Hitler."
When the mufti raised three divisions of Islamic Waffen SS to undertake cruel operations in Bosnia, among the 30,000 killers were some volunteer contingents from Iran. Iranian Nazis, along with the other Muslim Waffen SS, operated under the direct supervision of Heinrich Himmler and were responsible for barbarous actions against Jews and others in Bosnia. Recruitment for the murderous "Handschar Divisions" was done openly in Iran.

Iran and its leaders were not only aware of the Holocaust, they played both sides. The country offered overland escape routes for refugee Jews fleeing Nazi persecution to Israel -- and later fleeing postwar Iraqi fascist persecution -- but only in exchange for extortionate passage fees.
Thousands of Jews journeyed to Israel via Iran both during the Holocaust and during the years after the fall of Hitler, when Arab leaders, especially in Iraq, tried to continue Germany's anti-Jewish program. Iran profited handsomely.

Since the shah's downfall, Iran has become a center for organized international Holocaust denial and has helped elevate the endeavor from fringe hate speech to a state-approved pseudo-intellectual debate.
In international forums and on state-controlled radio, Iranian university experts and journalists help validate the revisionist views that Jews were never gassed or murdered in great numbers during the Holocaust.
Indeed, Iran has become a refuge for the biggest names in European Holocaust denial. When in 2000, revisionist author Jürgen Graf was sentenced in Switzerland to 15 months in prison for Holocaust falsification, Graf fled to Tehran "at the invitation of a group of Iranian scholars and university professors who are sympathetic to Holocaust revisionism," according to the Institute for Historical Review, a denial clearinghouse.
What's more, in May 2000, Iran's embassy in Vienna granted asylum to Austrian Holocaust denier Wolfgang Fröhlich, who testified as a so-called expert witness during Graf's 1998 trial. This saved Fröhlich from Austria's severe anti-Holocaust denial statutes. Fröhlich argued that evidence proved no Jews were killed by Zyklon B gassing.

Earlier, about 600 journalists and 160 members of the Iranian parliament signed petitions supporting French revisionist Roger Garaudy, who was fined $40,000 by French authorities for his book claiming the Holocaust was a myth. When Garaudy landed in Iran, the country's supreme spiritual leader, Ayatollah Sayyad Khamenei, granted him an audience and lauded his work.
Iran has played a leading role in the Holocaust drama and now tries to deny it. That should be very hard in a nation that was named for Hitler's master race.

http://www.bankingonbaghdad.com/archive/SFChronicle20060108/

[Galil Stein]

Neo-Nazis Seek Iranian Backing for Bizarre Mission


A band of neo-Nazis with ties to Iran's clerical fascist mullahocracy is believed to be seeking its support for a truly bizarre scheme--an archeological expedition in search of ancient lost cities in a remote region of Brazil. The neo-Nazis are said to claim that the area, in the state of Matto Grasso, was once home to an advanced "Aryan" race.

Their venture illuminates Nazism's occult roots--and neo-Nazi links to a present-day regime that many rightwing radicals increasingly regard as a center and symbol of anti-Western struggle.

The proposed expedition also serves as a disturbing reminder of the violent legacy and dangerous appeal of a tangled collection of quasi-spiritual and pseudo-academic theories and beliefs.

As if to further highlight historical parallels, the expedition reportedly plans to follow in the footsteps of Nazi archaeologists and SS officers who explored parts of Matto Grosso during the Second World War. That expedition is thought to have been inspired by earlier German expeditions, including one in the 1920s and one in the early 1900s that was organized and paid for by the Krupp armaments company.

The deranged German fuhrer, Adolf Hitler, is known to have been obsessed with occult theories concerning the purported existence of a vast, underground tunnel network reaching from the region and other Brazilian and South American areas to a mythical utopia thought to lie beneath the Himalayan mountains of Tibet.

Belief in the subterranean city-state, known as Agarta or Shambhala, is based on Tibetan Buddhist traditions that also inspired the 1933 novel "Lost Horizon" by British author James Hilton. The book and subsequent film adaptations described a hidden earthly paradise called Shangri-La.

Crazy as it seems, Hitler's Nazis supposedly sought to make contact with Agarta by finding an entrance to the tunnel system leading to it. In addition to the Brazilian expedition, they sent seven expeditions to Tibet, the most famous of which is now best known through the feature film Seven Years in Tibet that was particularly popular among followers of "New Age" philosophy.

Though it might not be hooked on lost tunnels or subterranean cities, the new Nazi expedition is apparently based on another lunatic fringe notion with disturbing New Age appeal--that a "master race" of Atlanteans once dominated the world and left evidence of their civilization in Tibet, Egypt, and South America. Hence, the neo-Nazi interest in lost cities.

The Atlantis theory comes from Ariosophy, a so-called Aryan centered philosophy that influenced Nazism. The founder of Ariosophy, Adolf Josef Lanz, who called himself Lanz von Liebenfels, was a professional Austrian anti-Semite and former monk who advocated forced sterilization of "inferior races." His doctrine, also known as Theozoology, or Ario-Christianity, was an offshoot of a kind of New Age religion of its day, called Theosophy.

A cult-like, 19th century mystical movement, Theosophy was founded by a notorious Russian-born adventuress, author, and phony medium, Helena Blavatsky, and her spiritualist lover, an American lawyer named Henry Olcott. A racist and an anti-Semite who incorporated the swastika in her movement's seal, Blavatsky argued that humanity had descended from a series of seven "Root Races," identifyng the fifth and supposedly superior one the Aryan race, which, she claimed, came from Atlantis. Some modern humans, such as indigenous Africans and Australians, she argued, were actually semi- or sub-human.

Her ideas influenced, among others, Savitri Devi (born Maximiani Portas), a French woman who emigrated to India during he 1930s, where she blended a philosophy of white supremacy and Hinduism and became a fanatic Hitler admirer, living out the war years in anticipation of a Nazi victory. In the 1960s, she emerged as a cult figure for neo-Nazis--"Hitler's guru," in the words of the German-Canadian Holocaust-denying publisher Ernest Zundel. Zundel, who republished and distributed Devi's out-of-print, 1958 book, "The Lightning and the Sun," is involved in the neo-Nazi-Iranian axis, which is itself the brainchild of an aging Nazi convert to Islam, the mysterious Swiss banker and ex-journalist, Ahmed Huber.

A quest for Shambhala (Agarta) led Blavatsky to South America. She claimed to have partially explored the secret, subterranean tunnels connecting the continent with Asia by entering the passages in Peru and Brazil. The story has become a staple of neo-Nazi Internet sites and books about so-called ancient mysteries, including works produced and published by Zundel and allegedly financed by Huber, whose home boasts portraits of Hitler and Iran's Ayatollah Khomeini.

Back to Iran. The Islamist regime of Iran's Hitler-admiring President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, as previously reported, has supported, encouraged and provided safe haven for numerous neo-Nazi groups, while sponsoring international events aimed at denying and ridiculing the Holocaust, and threatening to destroy Israel and drive the United States from the Middle East.

The Iranian-neo-Nazi axis recalls the wartime penetration of Iran by Gestapo and German military intelligence officers and the pro-Nazi leanings of Iran's monarch at the time, Reza Pahlavi. (In contrast with Reza Shah, his son, Shah Mohammed Reza Pahlavi, who was overthrown by Khomeini, was a US ally and friend of Israel and Iran's Jewish community.)

Persians have long used the term Aryan to describe the Indo-European origins of their language. Starting in the early 19th century, German romanticists popularized the notion of an "Aryan" Indo-Nordic race. They promoted study of Sanskrit, a classical language of India, and liturgical language of Hinduism and Buddhism, in opposition to Hebrew and other Semitic languages, and a theory of Asia, not the Middle East, as the cradle of civilization.

The idea for Persia's 1935 name change to Iran--"Land of the Aryans"--was supposedly suggested by Tehran's ambassador to Germany, who came under the influence of Hitler's trusted banker, Dr. Hjalmar Schacht.

http://chinaconfidential.blogspot.com/2007/02/neo-nazis-seek-iranian-backing-for_13.html

[Galil Stein]

Reporters from Iran- Germany match announced on October 9th, 2004 that during the play of German National Anthem 100,000 Iranians rose and performed a Nazi salute. They were holding Iran and Germany's flags. One of the largest anti-semitic rallies since Nazi Germany.

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/7733/1685/1600/ar%20azeri%20germany%20hitler%20salute%20fotboll.0.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/v/t6j5xAy_bWo




For some who do not take the Iranians seriously.

Netanyahu: We're in 1939



Opposition leader says military option should be used if Iran about to get nuclear weapons Yaakov Lappin Published: 09.10.07, 13:31 / Israel News (http://www.ynetnews.com/home/0,7340,L-3082,00.html)


Military action against Iran (http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3284215,00.html) "should be used if we see that Iran's nuclear weapons program is about to come alive," opposition leader and Knesset Member Benjamin Netanyahu told a counter-terrorism conference in Herzliya on Monday.

Addressing delegates at a conference organized by the Interdisciplinary Center's Institute for Counter-Terrorism (ICT), Netanyahu said: "The military option should never be kept off the table." Some two and a half years remained until Iran would acquire nuclear weapons, Netanyahu said, adding: "That's 700 days, and today is another day."



In the "intervening period," the Islamic Republic "should be squeezed" through a campaign of financial sanctions and divestment which would hopefully "make the Iranian leaders think twice," Netanyahu added.

Netanyahu said he believed Iran would use nuclear weapons against Israel, adding that the Iranian leadership called for Israel to be wiped off the map. "But we are only the small Satan, the great Satan is somewhere else remember that," he said.

The opposition leaders compared Iran's President Ahmadinejad (http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3385131,00.html) to Adolf Hitler, saying, "A year ago, I said we are in 1938, and Iran is Germany. Well, it's 1939 now. Hitler first embarked on a world conflict, and then attempted to gain weapons of mass death. Ahmadinejad is going about it in the reverse order. And in the intermediate period, he is using proxies... while waiting until the nuclear program is complete," Netanyahu warned.

Preventing Tehran from acquiring nuclear weapons was "the most important thing we can do," Netanyahu stressed. "When it comes to a regime like Iran, our message must be: You will not have nuclear weapons, period," he added, receiving applause.



During his address, the opposition leader said he had consulted the eminent Middle East historian, Bernard Lewis, and asked him whether a situation of mutually assured destruction (MAD) would deter Iran from using nuclear weapons.

"MAD is not a deterrent, but a catalyst, to bring back the (Shiite (http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3285426,00.html) messianic figure of) the Mahdi... millions of people would die," Netanyahu cited Lewis as saying, adding that deterrence was an irrelevant concept to the fanatical Shiite sect which has taken control of "Iranian weapons, weapons developments, and vehicles to launch them."

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3448033,00.html

[WarDancer]

Good info. Iran of today is what Germany was in 1933 only Iran has vast oil revenue to spread its message of hate. On top of that, a fledgling nuclear program that WILL be used against Israel in the very near future. Thankfully, Israel will not allow another holocaust. By any means possible another holocaust of Jews will not happen regardless of what the UN wants!!

[non]

Good info. Iran of today is what Germany was in 1933 only Iran has vast oil revenue to spread its message of hate. On top of that, a fledgling nuclear program that WILL be used against Israel in the very near future. Thankfully, Israel will not allow another holocaust. By any means possible another holocaust of Jews will not happen regardless of what the UN wants!!

The Blavatsky part? Yeah, very edifying. Sorry...what's the guarantee of Iranian nuclear strike again, and if guaranteed what's the IAF waiting for?

[George Winston]

Fasinating. You mean Iranians Arabs don't like Jews, disagreed with Zionism and the displacement of fellow muslims from Palestine, and fought against the occupying British forces in World War II? Wow.

What is this obsession with needing everybody to love Israel? Next thing we'll here is that IBM was a Nazi organization and Jonathan Pollard was innocent. Wait, Edwin's already wrote books on those topics. He's a conspiracy nutjob. End of story.

[Limeyfellow]

The British and Russians launched armies into Iran and took ahold of a bunch of their resources, despite wanting to be neutral in the world, so is it any point a bunch of them fought on the Axis side, or that the Persian Empire were on The German's side in WW1 and had business relations in trade. Infact it was one of the US rivals for German trade in the 30s but cut off trade to stay out of WW2, after the Soviets gave up their invasion plans after the disaster in Finland.

[Snoshi]

Fasinating. You mean Iranians Arabs don't like Jews, disagreed with Zionism and the displacement of fellow muslims from Palestine, and fought against the occupying British forces in World War II? Wow.

What is this obsession with needing everybody to love Israel? Next thing we'll here is that IBM was a Nazi organization and Jonathan Pollard was innocent. Wait, Edwin's already wrote books on those topics. He's a conspiracy nutjob. End of story.

Iranian arabs?

[George Winston]

Iranian arabs?

Great lets knit-pick and play the gotcha game instead of address the point. I guess I meant to say muslims as I did later in the sentence instead of Arab as I did at first. There are you happy now, Snoshi. The fact is that races have mixed in that region for thousands of years and its impossible to say Iranians are pure Aryan or Arab - most are a mix. Germans really don't look exactly like Iranians do they? Kinda like the Ashkenazi Jews who are clearly different racially than the Arabic Jews they claim an ancient gene lineage to. Virtually no race is pure anymore. Interesting that the original article used the term Arab several times when refering to Iranian matters and Snoshi didn't bother to correct it. Maybe he just didn't like my point.

[Peris]

this author really made me confused. How can you say that two different rezimes in Iran both the Mullahs and the Shah have a continuing antisemitic or pro Nazi policy?


''The Shah of Iran was the first Muslim leader to recognize the State of Israel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_Israel), although when interviewed on CBS 60 Minutes by reporter, Mike Wallace, he criticized US Jews for their control over US media and finance[6] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQgZ3oLp_WY).
During his reign however, it was reported in the New York Times (1982), that half of the arms to Iran were "being supplied or arranged by Israel". Both nations were considered allies with the U.S in that period of U.S Imperialism and thus friendly.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Reza_Pahlavi#Foreign_relations''

[4X4Driver]

''The Shah of Iran was the first Muslim leader to recognize the State of Israel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_Israel), although when interviewed on CBS 60 Minutes by reporter, Mike Wallace, he criticized US Jews for their control over US media and finance[6] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQgZ3oLp_WY).
During his reign however, it was reported in the New York Times (1982), that half of the arms to Iran were "being supplied or arranged by Israel". Both nations were considered allies with the U.S in that period of U.S Imperialism and thus friendly.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Reza_Pahlavi#Foreign_relations''



Not trying to pick a fight about who did it first...just pointing out a fact.


Turkey-Israel relations date to March 28 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_28), 1949 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1949), when Turkey (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey) became the first country with a Muslim (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim) majority to formally recognize the State of Israel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_Israel). [1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey-Israel_relations#_note-0)[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey-Israel_relations#_note-1) Since then, Israel has been a major supplier of arms to Turkey. Military, strategic, and diplomatic cooperation between Turkey and Israel is accorded high priority by the governments of both countries, which share concerns with respect to the regional instabilities in the Middle East.[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey-Israel_relations#_note-2)[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey-Israel_relations#_note-3)[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey-Israel_relations#_note-4)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey-Israel_relations

[Galil Stein]

this author really made me confused. How can you say that two different rezimes in Iran both the Mullahs and the Shah have a continuing antisemitic or pro Nazi policy?


''The Shah of Iran was the first Muslim leader to recognize the State of Israel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_Israel), although when interviewed on CBS 60 Minutes by reporter, Mike Wallace, he criticized US Jews for their control over US media and finance[6] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQgZ3oLp_WY).
During his reign however, it was reported in the New York Times (1982), that half of the arms to Iran were "being supplied or arranged by Israel". Both nations were considered allies with the U.S in that period of U.S Imperialism and thus friendly.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Reza_Pahlavi#Foreign_relations''

Wrong.He was a anti-Semite at heart.Hear his false statements.Sounds like some thing Hitler would say.

http://www.youtube.com/v/EQTXQEnS_3E

[Galil Stein]

Iran is known to have connections with the Armenian Aryan order.A well known right wing political group inArmenia full of ignorant fools.They have also open to discussion with David Duke.A former KKK leader and racist.


This is a Iranian national socialist group.They are racist and even despise Muslims.Iran is a threat especially with the clear support for groups like this.But as in the articles it is well known how far this history goes.

http://sumka.blogfa.com/

[Kaplanr]

Chill dude, you're starting to sound like the Pres. of the Tin Foil Hat Wearing The Earth is Flat (everyone hates us) Society.

[Galil Stein]

Chill dude, you're starting to sound like the Pres. of the Tin Foil Hat Wearing The Earth is Flat (everyone hates us) Society.

On JTF.org Persian Jews say they are being attacked by skinheads in Iran.You have KKK leaders Armenian Nazi's and other people visiting Iran.Even Brazilian nazi's seeking funding from Iran.

[Peris]

Wrong.He was a anti-Semite at heart.Hear his false statements.Sounds like some thing Hitler would say.

http://www.youtube.com/v/EQTXQEnS_3E




what do you mean antisemitic at heart?is there a special medical test to i.d. it?:)


if all antisemites would followed his actions with recognition-coopeation with Israel ,Israeli people would be happier i think.

all i am saying is that modern security problems can be addressed seriously only with political arguments and not with Samballa, Blavatsky and the Roswell alien:)

[Kaplanr]

Without minimizing the potential Iranian threat, I'm a little (BS, majorly) skeptical of a site that purports to be a thorn in Sharon's side even though he's been comatose and vegatative for almost 2 years, and has feature articles like:

Sharon's Plan: Imprison Yesha Jews, Take Their Children Away

Sharon bribes Israeli soldiers to expel Yesha Jews

Arab Muslim money controls the Israeli media

Why Jews must oppose gun control

Malcolm X exposed as a homo****** rapist and prostitute

G-d gives Hamas terrorists election victory

Black pedophile "minister" murders white teenager

This stuff is up there with the "Arafat was killed by Joo Death Ray" crap.

[Peris]

Kaplanr the old man in your avatar reminds me an article about an Israeli veteran i read in a Greek military magazine. Can't remember his name

[Kaplanr]

Kaplanr the old man in your avatar reminds me an article about an Israeli veteran i read in a Greek military magazine. Can't remember his name

The picture is from 2004 or 2005. In 1984 he was the Command Sgt. Major of the Nahal Brigade when I served, and had been that for many, many years. His undoing came about in 1990 or so when he snapped the bra strap of a woman soldier in a company level inspection. He had to apologize and resign as Command Sgt. Major.

Any memory about where the guy you read about had been? I can think of a dozen men I knoew, now in their late 70s and 80s who had been in the Hagana, Palmah and IDF through the 1970s. Almost all of them kibbutzniks.

[Peris]

so when he snapped the bra strap of a woman soldier in a company level inspection. He had to apologize and resign as Command Sgt. Major.


if the bra was considered military material he HAD to check its stabilityrofl

i will try to find the magazine to tell you the name.

[Hollis]

On JTF.org Persian Jews say they are being attacked by skinheads in Iran.You have KKK leaders Armenian Nazi's and other people visiting Iran.Even Brazilian nazi's seeking funding from Iran.


Kaplanr offered really good advice. Take it.

[RSone]

As a so called "Germanic Aryan" i'll put this bluntly: The Iranians needs to STFU, fast. using "genetics" to prove ones superiority over another is about the stupidest thing i've ever heard of. As far as i'm concidered the people that advocate these kind of things are down there with the nazis. Utter and complete morons, every last one of them.
I have Jewish friends, i know Jewish people,Non-"aryan" people( one of my best friends, practically my brother, is indonesian) and according to what these people believe i'm being a fool for associating with them, because they're "subhuman"? utter and complete bullcrap.

What do these extremists gain by continually threatening Israel and the jewish people? Surely they know they face extreme retalliation if they actually made a move?

EDIT: Sorry for the rant everyone, i just get a bit too angry over this kind of news sometimes.

[-=P=-]

That’s not a news but a poor article made by a poor amateur.

On the one hand he comes with the "Mufti of Jerusalem/Hitler alliance" but on the other he talks about Nazi-Iran alliance with Germany.

First he should learn that Islam doesn't work with Nazi ideology. Second, a Sunni Arab Mufti is not automatically the leader of the Muslims of the world. Third, the Shah Reza Pahlavi back then was anti-Muslim he wouldn't have given a sh** on what a Mufti in Jerusalem tells.

But hey, presenting Muslim anti-Judaism plus Iranian/Nazi anti-Semitism as one great evil “thing” doubles the effect and you catch Mullah and the one billion Muslim fanatics at once.

[Galil Stein]

Go research any of this.It is all true.

[Peris]

[quote=-=P=-;3017926]That’s not a news but a poor article made by a poor amateur.quote]


from just a little research he is a known author:


Edwin Black is the award-winning, New York Times and international bestselling investigative author of 56 bestselling editions in 14 languages in 61 countries, as well as scores of newspaper and magazine articles in the leading publications of the United States, Europe and Israel

http://www.edwinblack.com/



but the most bizarre thing he wrote is that Zionists had a pact with....Nazis




The Transfer Agreement is Edwin Black's compelling, award-winning story of a negotiated arrangement in 1933 between Zionist organizations and the Nazis to transfer some 50,000 Jews, and $100 million of their assets, to Jewish Palestine in exchange for stopping the worldwide Jewish-led boycott threatening to topple the Hitler regime in its first year.

http://www.transferagreement.com/



i am really confused :roll:

[-=P=-]

@Galil Stein

I give you some examples of the wrong information he provides:


Key among these German agents was Fritz Grobba, Berlin's envoy to the Middle East, who was often called "the German Lawrence," because he promised a Pan-Islamic state stretching from Casablanca to Tehran.

All this "Aryan conspiracy" theories simply don't work with a Pan-Islamic state. How do you think Reza Shah would react to a Pan-Islamic state if he favours his "Aryan heritage"?



So intense was the shah's identification with the Third Reich that in 1935 he renamed his ancient country "Iran," which in Farsi means Aryan and refers to the Proto-Indo-European lineage that Nazi racial theorists and Persian ethnologists cherished.

It means land of the Aryans, Ere-An (Iran) and was the common name for the country used by Iranians. The author should be accurate here.


Shortly after World War II broke out in 1939, the Mufti of Jerusalem crafted a strategic alliance with Hitler to exchange Iraqi oil for active Arab and Islamic participation in the murder of Jews in the Mideast and Eastern Europe. This was predicated on support for a pan-Arab state and Arab control over Palestine.

What has this to do with Iran?


Likewise, the mufti of Jerusalem was spirited across the border to Tehran, where he continued to call for the destruction of the Jews and the defeat of the British

He apparently don't know the difference of Sunni and Shia, he seem to want to present that Mufti as master of all Muslim in the world.



The bottom line is simple; Iran was not anti-German during the war rather pro-German but combining German anti-imperialistic propaganda for Muslims with very limited German Pan-Aryan propaganda for Iranians doesn't work. From the Pan-Aryan standpoint original Jews and Arabs are the same alien, Semite people... so how do you want to combine both?

@Peris

IMO he can be whoever he wants, it's BS nonetheless.

[Kaplanr]

. . .

but the most bizarre thing he wrote is that Zionists had a pact with....Nazis


The Transfer Agreement is Edwin Black's compelling, award-winning story of a negotiated arrangement in 1933 between Zionist organizations and the Nazis to transfer some 50,000 Jews, and $100 million of their assets, to Jewish Palestine in exchange for stopping the worldwide Jewish-led boycott threatening to topple the Hitler regime in its first year.

http://www.transferagreement.com/

i am really confused :roll:

What's the saying? "Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer."

The Yishuv (Jewish community in Palestine) and many representatives of various Jewish and Zionist organizations knew that Nazi Germany wasn't going to be good for the Jews. While some or many may say they predicted what was going to happen as early as the 30s (Holocaust and intentional eradication of the Jews in Europe,) it's enough to say that most felt that Germany was going to sink to a level at least as bad as Czarist Russia -- pogroms and state supported discrimination and state mandated stripping of rights, assets, professional futures, education and the ability to be Germans. As a result the Zionist movements both in and outside of Palestine worked to get as many Jews out as they could, primarily to Palestine (against the wishes of the Arabs and British,) by whatever means they could. To the Germans, it was imminently practical (since the eradication idea wasn't institutional yet,) get rid of the Jews, get rid of the problems they cause, and in the effort, get their assets at pfennigs on the mark.

To the Jewish institutions it was a two-fold effort: save as many as you can (those who would listen and believe the worst of their countrymen) and strengthen the Yishuv for the inevitable conflict that would come with independence, whenever that would happen. If I can find it, I'll scan an incongruent photo from a book I have; it shows a German legation in Palestine (Eretz Israel) flying the Hackenkreuz sometime before the war.

[[WDW]Megaraptor]

The bottom line is simple; Iran was not anti-German during the war rather pro-German but combining German anti-imperialistic propaganda for Muslims with very limited German Pan-Aryan propaganda for Iranians doesn't work. From the Pan-Aryan standpoint original Jews and Arabs are the same alien, Semite people... so how do you want to combine both?

Simple...Iranians aren't Arabs...



Reporters from Iran- Germany match announced on October 9th, 2004 that during the play of German National Anthem 100,000 Iranians rose and performed a Nazi salute. They were holding Iran and Germany's flags. One of the largest anti-semitic rallies since Nazi Germany.

http://www.youtube.com/v/t6j5xAy_bWo

I didn't think you give the Nazi salute with both arms.

What they are doing looks to me like the normal "get the crowd to all point in the same direction" stuff that happens at many sporting events.

Are Duke Basketball fans Nazis???

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o265/WDW_Megaraptor/photo_realstu_54.jpg

[Galil Stein]

While chanting pro-German slogans from world war two?

[Kaplanr]

Megaraptor;3018370']Simple...Iranians aren't Arabs...




I didn't think you give the Nazi salute with both arms.

What they are doing looks to me like the normal "get the crowd to all point in the same direction" stuff that happens at many sporting events.

Are Duke Basketball fans Nazis???

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o265/WDW_Megaraptor/photo_realstu_54.jpg

Krzyzewski uber alles!

[Kaplanr]

While chanting pro-German slogans from world war two?

Let me see that in something remotely mainstream, including the Jerusalem Post, Newsday or Fox (certainly no friend of the Iranians,) and I'll give it some credence.

[kraf001]

While chanting pro-German slogans from world war two?

haha... if Azadi fans knew how much credit you give them... Azadi stadium is known for its "lowlife", "uneducated", "gangster" crowd.. all they know is how to swear, fight and burn buses after the game... you ask them what is Germany, the first thing comes to their mind is Hitler and "Hi Hitler", same way that you ask them about China, they gonna say Kung Fu or Bruce lee... you cant expect anything more from the lowest sect of the society... then again it pays for your agenda to choose "stadium going, always drunk, uneducated, fools" as the target population when studying the social status of Iran-Nazi relationship... you gotta love this... so basically lets say if I want to prove that USA is nothing but a "anti-Semitic" nation, all I need to do is to post pictures of US high security prisons and bunch of "white supremists" criminals... hey they are American and in that place they consist a significant number so it must be true about the rest of society...

it is always easy to paint a picture the way you want, you just need to know what to paint...


p.s. Funny how Jews are complaining about Iran’s name being “Iran” when you consider Cyrus the great called himself the king of “Iran” right before he freed the Jews from Babylon...

[Holycrusader]

Here is something from Poland

http://rafalstec.blox.pl/resource/uuuu.jpg

88 its code for Heil Hitler... Its very strange when you start to judge a nation by its football fans behaviour...

[AKS]

On JTF.org Persian Jews say they are being attacked by skinheads in Iran.You have KKK leaders Armenian Nazi's and other people visiting Iran.Even Brazilian nazi's seeking funding from Iran.

I did not want to get into this but you better have some damed good evidence of "Armenian Nazis" visiting anybody since there is no such official Armenian organization in the first place.

There is a nationalist party in Armenia who's leader is under house arrest, but they are far away from being something you might call a nazi.

BTW why are you singling nationalities out (Armenian, Brazilian) when talking about Nazis?

Nearly all countries, unfortunately have some sort of a pro nazi movement.

What is your point?

[Peris]

What's the saying? "Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer."

The Yishuv (Jewish community in Palestine) and many representatives of various Jewish and Zionist organizations knew that Nazi Germany wasn't going to be good for the Jews. While some or many may say they predicted what was going to happen as early as the 30s (Holocaust and intentional eradication of the Jews in Europe,) it's enough to say that most felt that Germany was going to sink to a level at least as bad as Czarist Russia -- pogroms and state supported discrimination and state mandated stripping of rights, assets, professional futures, education and the ability to be Germans. As a result the Zionist movements both in and outside of Palestine worked to get as many Jews out as they could, primarily to Palestine (against the wishes of the Arabs and British,) by whatever means they could. To the Germans, it was imminently practical (since the eradication idea wasn't institutional yet,) get rid of the Jews, get rid of the problems they cause, and in the effort, get their assets at pfennigs on the mark.

To the Jewish institutions it was a two-fold effort: save as many as you can (those who would listen and believe the worst of their countrymen) and strengthen the Yishuv for the inevitable conflict that would come with independence, whenever that would happen. If I can find it, I'll scan an incongruent photo from a book I have; it shows a German legation in Palestine (Eretz Israel) flying the Hackenkreuz sometime before the war.




thanks, this clear things a bit but i don't want to believe from an ethical point of view that at any point Jewish interests and Nazi interests were similar:|

[Galil Stein]

I did not want to get into this but you better have some damed good evidence of "Armenian Nazis" visiting anybody since there is no such official Armenian organization in the first place.

There is a nationalist party in Armenia who's leader is under house arrest, but they are far away from being something you might call a nazi.

BTW why are you singling nationalities out (Armenian, Brazilian) when talking about Nazis?

Nearly all countries, unfortunately have some sort of a pro nazi movement.

What is your point?

He is not going to go out and say hey we are Nazi's.Look at the crap they write on the Armenian Aryan forums and the leader did visit with Iranian officials.He was not allowed to go to the Holocaust conferrence in Iran because of his statements to send fighters to help Iran.

http://www.israelforum.com/board/showthread.php?t=10186

[Galil Stein]

Its very strange when you start to judge a nation by its football fans behaviour...

I look at history.Look at the support for Germany and how Iranians reacted when Germans arrived in Iran.Then look at how the president is holding Holocaust conferrence and having KKK leaders,Armenian Aryan Order leaders and does nothing against skinhead attacks against Jews in Iran and they call for another holocaust to be done to Jewish people by the President and they wany nuclear weapons...Are you connecting the dots?

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

On JTF.org Persian Jews say they are being attacked by skinheads in Iran.You have KKK leaders Armenian Nazi's and other people visiting Iran.Even Brazilian nazi's seeking funding from Iran.Someone on here just quoted jtf.org :) very funny.:)

[Galil Stein]

haha... if Azadi fans knew how much credit you give them... Azadi stadium is known for its "lowlife", "uneducated", "gangster" crowd.. all they know is how to swear, fight and burn buses after the game... you ask them what is Germany, the first thing comes to their mind is Hitler and "Hi Hitler", same way that you ask them about China, they gonna say Kung Fu or Bruce lee... you cant expect anything more from the lowest sect of the society... then again it pays for your agenda to choose "stadium going, always drunk, uneducated, fools" as the target population when studying the social status of Iran-Nazi relationship... you gotta love this... so basically lets say if I want to prove that USA is nothing but a "anti-Semitic" nation, all I need to do is to post pictures of US high security prisons and bunch of "white supremists" criminals... hey they are American and in that place they consist a significant number so it must be true about the rest of society...

it is always easy to paint a picture the way you want, you just need to know what to paint...


p.s. Funny how Jews are complaining about Iran’s name being “Iran” when you consider Cyrus the great called himself the king of “Iran” right before he freed the Jews from Babylon...

Yeah right drunk in a stadium.You arent allowed to drink in Iran.Nice excuse for your nations anti-semitic behavior.Did the Americans chance the name of a country because the Germans? Did the Americans not fight against the Germans.

I'm not complaining about Iran's name being Iran.Just how your King at the time wanted to change the name because of the Germans insisted this.I hope you know your King Cyrus was the first Zionist in history.Stop your false worshipping of the Arab moon god muhammed and worship your gods that Cyrus Xerxes and Darius saw.If they saw how easily you have become a nation that hates Jewish people they would be turning in the grave.




Persia was one of the greatest empires of the ancient world. In fact, it was the Persian Empire that defeated and replaced the Babylonian Empire of Biblical fame. The Persians flourished and dominated the near-east geo-political landscape from 539-331BC. (The Bible records the fall of the Babylonian Empire to the Persians, setting the stage for the return of the Hebrew people to Jerusalem about 538-445BC, following their long period of captivity by the Babylonians that lasted seventy years from 606-536BC)

The Old Testament actually contains many references to the nation of Persia and its representatives. There are many references to the "kings of Persia," and to several of the most notable of the Persian Kings, such as Cyrus, Darius, and Artaxerxes. The prophet Daniel (8:20) speaks of the "kings of Media and Persia, and Daniel 10:13 mentions the "prince of the kingdom of Persia." The Book of Esther also refers to the dual "powers of Persia and Media.” Daniel 5:28 prophesied that Belshazzar's kingdom would be "given to the Medes and Persians. In fact, the narrative of Daniel chapter five includes the fact that Babylon fell to the Median King Darius, on the very night that Belshazzar saw the infamous handwriting on the wall.

The Persians apparently sprang from a people from the hills of Russia known as Indo-Aryans. As early as 2000BC, they began to settle in Iran and along the coast of the Black Sea. Two of these Indo-European tribes settled on the Elamite border and to the east of the Zagros mountain range. The first known references to them are made in the inscriptions of Shalmaneser III (858-824BC). They are noted as the Parsua (Persians) and Madai (Medes).
http://focusonjerusalem.com/iraninbibleprophecy.html

[Galil Stein]

Look at this racist video from Iranian Nazi group IANF.Notice how Armenia is the first country mentioned?

http://www.youtube.com/v/pp-YzLNH4qs

[Galil Stein]

Someone on here just quoted jtf.org :) very funny.:)

http://www.brucified.com/uploaded_images/duke-ahmadinejad.jpg

Do you really want to see this guy with nuclear weapons.

[Kaplanr]

Here is something from Poland

http://rafalstec.blox.pl/resource/uuuu.jpg

88 its code for Heil Hitler... Its very strange when you start to judge a nation by its football fans behaviour...

They might be the lowest common denominator we all share. Betar Jerusalem football fans are notorious for being louts, booing Arab players and demonstrating when a moment of silence was announced on the anniversary of Rabin's murder.

[Kaplanr]

thanks, this clear things a bit but i don't want to believe from an ethical point of view that at any point Jewish interests and Nazi interests were similar:|

What was Churchill's quote regarding an alliance with the USSR? "If Hitler invaded hell I would make at least a favorable reference to the devil in the House of Commons."

The Zionist bodies worked towards a specific goal, getting out whomever would listen. Keep in mind that your making an observation in retrospect; after we know the truth and progression or developments of Nazi Germany's historic course through 1945. Thats 20/20 hindsight. At the time the Nazis were considered maybe more brutal and thorough than the Facists in Italy, but more benign than Stalin and the Bolsheviks. Militaristic facist parties wer not unusual for the day in several European states; it's just that in Germany and Italy, they were also in power.

[The_Android]

Stop your false worshipping of the Arab moon god muhammed and worship your gods that Cyrus Xerxes and Darius saw.

You're seriously telling people what gods to worship? I can't even imagine what kind of insult it would be to a muslim when someone tells him/her to "stop worshipping the Arab moon god".

Chill out. This thread is starting to have a big tin foil hat flavour already.

[Hollis]

Originally Posted by Galil Stein http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?p=3019995#post3019995)
Stop your false worshipping of the Arab moon god muhammed and worship your gods that Cyrus Xerxes and Darius saw.



I gather you can not take advice. It is none of your business to tell others what to believe in. There are enough religion bashers and anti religion bashers in the world. What ever you believe in, someone can probably bash it too.


Either Chill, change your abrasive tactic or............. plan on a vacation.

I Guess you want to insult the Druse and Bedouins that serve Israel too.

[California Joe]

Tin foil boy is beyond annoying. And taking a break.

[Kaplanr]

MP net Rug Rats, can't live with 'em, can't shove a **** in their mouths and tell 'em to shut up.

[RSone]

^ oh **** WTH man?

[AKS]

He is not going to go out and say hey we are Nazi's.Look at the crap they write on the Armenian Aryan forums and the leader did visit with Iranian officials.He was not allowed to go to the Holocaust conferrence in Iran because of his statements to send fighters to help Iran.

http://www.israelforum.com/board/showthread.php?t=10186

Armenian Aryan forum has 66 registered members, so singling them out from all the other nazi's, to me at least, looks like some sort of a hidden agenda.

That stupid conference hosted by the Iranian president was visited by many nationalities, so again I dont see why you have to single out the Armenians. It can give the readers of this forum a wrong idea about group of people who sacrificed a lot to defeat Fascism in Europe

Should I base my views of Israel and the Israeli people on the numerous occurrences of spitting on Greek and Armenian priests by Jeiwsh religious students?

[dutch508]

Iranian arabs?


uh...yeah....Irainians are Persian.

[-=P=-]

Iranians are Iranians and some Iranians are Persians ;)

[Peris]

Should I base my views of Israel and the Israeli people on the numerous occurrences of spitting on Greek and Armenian priests by Jeiwsh religious students?


these incidents are very often and i hear a lot of such incidents from Greek Orthodox priests who travel to Israel but as far as i know are condemned by Israeli officials and courts.

[dimasorokine]

I was at some frat party last night, with a lot of Israelis and Persians all jumping around on the dance floor and singing together (no fights or arguments, just a lot of spilled beer)...

No matter how crazy and racist the western media wants Iran and its people to look, the truth is MOST Iranians don't give a crap about Israel or destroying it - they just want to "Party all the time!" :)

-Dima

[Hollis]

I was at some frat party last night, with a lot of Israelis and Persians all jumping around on the dance floor and singing together (no fights or arguments, just a lot of spilled beer)...

No matter how crazy and racist the western media wants Iran and its people to look, the truth is MOST Iranians don't give a crap about Israel or destroying it - they just want to "Party all the time!" :)

-Dima


I like to think there is a big difference between Iran's tool Ahmedijib-jabber and the Irani People. I think there is a lot of potential for the Irani people if they can ever get a better government or change the current one.

[IDF_TANKER]

I was at some frat party last night, with a lot of Israelis and Persians all jumping around on the dance floor and singing together (no fights or arguments, just a lot of spilled beer)...

No matter how crazy and racist the western media wants Iran and its people to look, the truth is MOST Iranians don't give a crap about Israel or destroying it - they just want to "Party all the time!" :)

-Dima

I don't think media wants make the Iranian people to look crazy... You would also be surprised, but Israelis in general make a very clear separation between the regime and the people - the "craziness" is exclusively attributed to the Iranian regime(well, and its supporters).

[dimasorokine]

I don't think media wants make the Iranian people to look crazy... You would also be surprised, but Israelis in general make a very clear separation between the regime and the people - the "craziness" is exclusively attributed to the Iranian regime(well, and its supporters).

In person yes, its not just Israelis but most nationalities and ethnicities...The media paints everyone with the same brush and in most cases this has to be done in order to gain public support for an anti-Iran / Muslim / Arab / non-Western foreign policy.

The point is, ask an avarage Westerner about his views on Iranians and you'll get your answer.

-Dima

[Pars]

I was at some frat party last night, with a lot of Israelis and Persians all jumping around on the dance floor and singing together (no fights or arguments, just a lot of spilled beer)...

No matter how crazy and racist the western media wants Iran and its people to look, the truth is MOST Iranians don't give a crap about Israel or destroying it - they just want to "Party all the time!" :)

-Dima

LOL, you live in L.A.? I have relatives (Iranian) there and they all have Jewish friends :) Arabic friends are scarse however.

Anyways, we do know how to part all the time p-)

[dimasorokine]

Pars, not LA - Toronto, but there are a lot of Israelis and Persians here :)

-Dima

[Pars]

Pars, not LA - Toronto, but there are a lot of Israelis and Persians here :)

-Dima

Ah, that also makes sense :) Thanks!

[Galil Stein]

Iranians explain this?The footage was taken from an IRINN report.Clearly shows the anti-semitic pro-Nazi Era Germany sentiment in Iranian psyche.You will be made a example just like the Germans.The Germans have matured alot after WW-2.

http://www.youtube.com/v/K0G9Y0fSNFc