Looking for a crotch gun

[Ought Six]

My Glock 27 is just a bit too big and bulky for comfortable carry in Thunderware all day. It digs into my waist, and sticks out when I sit. Minimum caliber is 9x19mm. I have been favorably impressed with the Keltec PF-9, but I am not sure that it is small enough. It is smaller and a whole lot cheaper than the new Walther PPS. I have carried S&W J-frame revolvers in Thunderware before, and do not care for them in that role.

For some reason, they get a little upset at the gunshop when you take the pistol you are looking at and try and stuff it down your pants to check it for fit. :) That makes it difficult to make a good choice. If anyone has personal experience carrying the PF-9 or other small pistols in Thunderware, I would be interested in hearing about it.

[LaoSexMachine]

the slimmest gun i came across that is not bulky at all is a kahr k9.

[Andreas]

What was it that you do again?


On a sidenote, the thread title realy opens for a series of *****-jokes..

Just saying

Cheers
Andreas

[GoSka37]

http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/5638/crotchgunga3.jpg

[Ought Six]

The humor was intentional.

As for "what I do", it has nothing to do with my job (though I could carry at work with Thunderware, I suppose). There are just some social situations were I do not wear a jacket, and because I wear a belt pouch, shirt-tail out wear with part of the shirt draped over the pouch looks dumb. I also have situations where I may be hugged in greeting by others who I do not want to know that I am discretely carrying. For these sorts of situations, I think Thunderware is a viable option if I can find an appropriate carry piece for it.

[maw]

hae you looked at the glock 36 slimline? it has a single stack magazine.

[Masai]

http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/5638/crotchgunga3.jpg

I knew that was comming :)

which is an interesting statement in and of itself...

[punchinout]

edit, i applogize, because of the about 6 beers ive had i'm just skimming and ddidn't see the 9mm requirement.

I am a fullsize 1911 guy.

BUT.

when i find i don't carry one, i carry a Colt Mustang in .380. Its a really freakin small gun.

I like it, reliable and easy to carry.


I like the PF9, Kel-Tec has another hit right there with it. Decently priced, easy to carry and conceall. Reliable too, from what i heard/ saw customers were really plesed with it. I am a big fan of the walther pps too...but it is kinda expensive.

[lt tahoe]

Friend of mine carries a Kahr as an off-duty carry gun and seems fairly happy with it.

[Sneeker]

http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/5638/crotchgunga3.jpg


I thought this is what the thread was going to be about.

[DeathB4Dishonor]

The *** cannon of love!

[raulv]

works just fine!!!!

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r260/raul3000_99/pmkhar45.jpg

[Ought Six]

The .45 Kahr is just as big as my Glock 27; in other words, too big for Thunderware.

[LimaOscarSierraTango]

I've got a Bersa Thunder .380 as my current concealed carry. Looking at adding a Kahr CW .40.

[Ought Six]

The Kahrs are really nice pistols. They are great carry pieces.... in a normal holster. So is my G27. But at the risk of repeating myself, I am looking for something smaller to carry in Thunderware.

And yes, I looked at the Glock G36 as well. It is not as fat in the grip as my G27, but the slide is nearly as wide and the overall length is virtually identical. It would be just as bad in Thunderware.

[canofbeans]

you considered using a different carrying method?

[maw]

fair enough. in that case, if you can live with the beavertail (don't go there), i'd take a long hard look at the cz 2075 RAMI. it really is an excellent gun. however, if all the edges and sticky out bits still bother then i'd probably hold out for the beretta px4 sub compact. alternatively, if i were truly looking for a snag free sub compact to stick down my balls i'd consider a rohrbaugh r9. pricey and very particular about how its lubed (don't go there 2), but still a very good gun. for your application i'd pick the r9 over the r9s (r9s has sights - r9 has no sights).


And yes, I looked at the Glock G36 as well. It is not as fat in the grip as my G27, but the slide is nearly as wide and the overall length is virtually identical. It would be just as bad in Thunderware.

[Limeyfellow]

Am I the only person who read crotch gun and thought of this from Dusk Till Dawn?

http://www.i-mockery.com/halloween/greatest/pics/dusk-till-dawn4.gif

http://moviezine.mine.nu/filmsnack/files/crotch_gun.jpg

[Chulo]

I've got a Bersa Thunder .380 as my current concealed carry. Looking at adding a Kahr CW .40.
Bersas are quite concealable..

[kutter]

Am I the only person who read crotch gun and thought of this from Dusk Till Dawn?

http://www.i-mockery.com/halloween/greatest/pics/dusk-till-dawn4.gif

http://moviezine.mine.nu/filmsnack/files/crotch_gun.jpg

No, your not the only one. First page, fourth post down.

[Ought Six]

Maybe some specs would help point out the problem. Remember, I am looking for an alternative to my G27 because it is too big.


Glock Model 27
overall length: 6.3"
thickness: 1.18"
weight: 20 oz.
capacity: .40 S&W, 9+1

Glock Model 36
overall length: 6.8"
thickness: 1.13"
weight: 20 oz.
capacity: .45acp, 6+1

Walther PPS
overall length: 6.3"
thickness: 0.91"
weight: 21 oz.
capacity: 9x19mm, 6+1

CZ 2075 RAMI
overall length: 6.6"
thickness: 1.25"
weight: 25 oz.
capacity: 9x19mm, 10+1 or .40 S&W, 8+1

Bersa Thunder .380
overall length: 6.6"
thickness: 1.25"
weight: 20 oz.
capacity: .380acp, 7+1

Kahr PM45
overall length: 5.7"
thickness: 1.01"
weight: 19 oz.
capacity: .45acp, 5+1

Kahr PM9
overall length: 5.3"
thickness: 0.90"
weight: 16 oz.
capacity: 9x19mm, 6+1

Keltec PF7
overall length: 5.8"
thickness: 0.9"
weight: 13 oz.


My main concern is length. The Kahrs and Keltec are the smallest pistols on this list legthwise, the Kahr PM9 being the smallest. Unfortunately, the Kahr PM9 costs about twice as much as the Keltec PF7. But the Kahr is so small that I may have to scrape up the extra money for it.

[loganinkosovo]

Too Big?

http://www.springfield-armory.com/xd.php?model=2

[Ought Six]

Springfield XD9
overall length: 6.3"
thickness: 1.04"
weight: 26 oz.
capacity: 9x19, 10+1

[Ought Six]

ob:
"you considered using a different carrying method?"An ankle holster might work, but obviously not in hot weather with shorts. And I just do not like having to bend down and yank up my pants leg to get my piece. I have used that method before, and do not like it at all. And it would be unlikely to pass through a cursory pat-down search, while Thunderware would survive that. So if one were to hypothetically carry in regions where they were not supposed to be carrying, Thunderware might be a better option than anything on the waist, shoulders or legs.

[LaoSexMachine]

My main carry is a P2000. I use a small of the back holster and never really had a problem with it. If you are having a hard time with such things might want to reconsider your holster or where you carry it. IMHO.

[Ought Six]

E25:17:
"If you are having a hard time with such things might want to reconsider your holster or where you carry it."That is what this entire thread is about. I normally carry on the waist, but there are certain situations where that simply will not work for me. I thought I already explained that.

[Kak]

I was planning on doing Thunderwear + PM9 (since I think that's the smallest 9x19 available) in the future, since I'd like to carry some day, yet I don't want it to be some place visible (I think that seems kind of threatening to others) or force me to wear certain clothing, so I felt that was the best option. Is wearing the Thunderwear (god I hate saying that word) uncomfortable?

[canofbeans]

ob:An ankle holster might work, but obviously not in hot weather with shorts. And I just do not like having to bend down and yank up my pants leg to get my piece. I have used that method before, and do not like it at all. And it would be unlikely to pass through a cursory pat-down search, while Thunderware would survive that. So if one were to hypothetically carry in regions where they were not supposed to be carrying, Thunderware might be a better option than anything on the waist, shoulders or legs.

from youre post i gert the idea that you want to have a concealed weapon where you only wear shorts? Besides that why does youre piece needs to survive a pat-down search. I cant come up with any legitimate reasons why you would need that?

[Kak]

Yeah I just caught that, sounds kind of like we're possibly talking about some illegal stuff now. :\

If that's the case, never mind my question D:

[Christophe]

Maybe these will do (if you can find them)?

FN Browning
Model Baby .25 Auto
I have already encountered this little baby on two occasions on perps.It is SMALL.

and

Beretta Tomcat 3032
Cal 7.65 mm

[James]

You should carry in a holster, period.

Why not .380? Get a PPK or a Sig P232.

[Ought Six]

I do not want to carry a .380acp. Whether on not a .380 bullet out of a short tube will even expand is highly questionable. And why would I get a fairly bulky .380 like the Sig when a Kahr 9mm is smaller and significantly more powerful?

As for carrying in a holster, Thunderware *is* a type of holster.

And it turns out that the Kahr PM40 is just as small as the PM9. That is my leading contender now.

As for the law, both Seattle and Portland have held public events where they have illegally banned carrying firearms, even with a permit. There are laws in both states that say that cities cannot pass laws or institute rules restricting the carrying of firearms where state law permits them. These cities do it anyways, then are sued later and pay a small fine. This has happened several times. Portland did this with their Millenium celebration, and a couple times with the annual Blues and Brews festival. I do not wish to hassle with the cops entering an event, but I will be damned if they will illegally prevent me from carrying my firearm. I have CHLs in both Washington state and Oregon.

I also have relatives who do not like guns. Some of them live in crappy neighborhoods where I do not feel comfortable unarmed, and would never leave a pistol in the car. I already had an experience where I was being hugged in greeting by one of my sisters, and she felt my pistol and had a **** hemmorage about it.

[heli-cal]

What you want is called the Rohrbaugh R9/R9s, L:5.2" H:3.7" W:.81" 6+1 rounds. www.rohrbaughfirearms.com designed it to be the smallest, lightest, simplest and most concealable 9mm self-defense firearm in the world.
Which it is!

[Laconian]

Carrying concealed that deep will always result in compromise. The Rohrbaugh certainly seems to meet your criteria. May I ask why you dislike the J-frame sized revolvers in this role? I have carried either a Model 37 or 640-1 in deep concealment and have found them very suitable, reliable. The S&Ws in .357, .38Spl in titanium, & other alloys make it very suitable for carry in a discreet role.

[Ought Six]

L:
"Carrying concealed that deep will always result in compromise."Carrying *anywhere* is a comprise among several factors. I am well aware of the drawbacks of Thunderware, having used it frequently with my G27 in the past.
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L:
"The Rohrbaugh certainly seems to meet your criteria."
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h-c:
""Gun Tests did a comparison between the Kahr PM9 and the Rohrbaugh R9s, and picked the Kahr hands-down (Volume 16 • Number 8 • August 2004). The Rohrbaugh was not reliable, while the Kahr was.
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"May I ask why you dislike the J-frame sized revolvers in this role? I have carried either a Model 37 or 640-1 in deep concealment and have found them very suitable, reliable. The S&Ws in .357, .38Spl in titanium, & other alloys make it very suitable for carry in a discreet role."For many years I had an S&W Model 38 Airweight Bodyguard. I found the recoil to be sharp, the sights inadequate and the bulky cylinder a detriment to concealment. And overall, I just did not like it. I have tried other small revolvers since, including the Ruger SP101 and Taurus Model 85. I really did not care for them, either. I am just not a small revolver fan.