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Firetxmi
02-01-2008, 02:10 PM
Group pans authoritarian rule

By WILLIAM C. MANN, Associated Press Writer
Thu Jan 31, 2:49 PM ET

Authoritarian rulers are violating human rights around the world and getting away with it largely because the U.S., European and other established democracies accept their claims that merely holding elections makes them democratic, Human Rights Watch said Thursday.

By failing to demand that offenders honor their citizens' civil and political rights and other requirements of true democracy, Western democracies risk undermining human rights everywhere, the international rights watchdog said in its annual review.

Still, Kenneth Roth, Human Rights Watch's executive director, wrote in a segment of the report called "Despots Masquerading as Democrats": "It is a sign of hope that even dictators have come to believe that the route to legitimacy runs by way of democratic credentials."

Among countries named as major violators of their democratic credentials in 2007 were Kenya, Pakistan, Bahrain, Jordan, Nigeria, Russia and Thailand. The report covered the year through November. In December, Thailand's military government allowed elections and was voted out of power by a large majority to end 16 months of rule by the junta.

The annual report is the 18th compiled by Human Rights Watch. It summarizes human rights shortcomings in more than 75 countries.

Among other countries listed as abusers were Chad, Colombia, Congo, Ethiopia, Eritrea, Libya, Iran, North Korea, Saudi Arabia and Vietnam. It spoke of abuses by the United States, France and Britain, along with Pakistan, in the name of a "war on terror."

German Chancellor Angela Merkel, French President Nicolas Sarkozy and other European leaders were criticized for their reluctance to allow Turkey to join the European Union, despite its improved human rights record.

The report said the EU "lost leverage itself and diminished the clout of those in Turkey who have cited the prospect of EU membership as a reason for reform."

The report's emphasis, however, was the false democracies and the countries that enable them.

"It's now too easy for autocrats to get away with mounting a sham democracy," Roth said in a statement. "That's because too many Western governments insist on elections and leave it at that."

Ignored are "the key human rights issues that make democracy function: a free press, peaceful assembly and a functioning civil society that can really challenge power," he said.

The report said elections were manipulated in a number of ways, including:

_Fraud: Chad, Jordan, Kazakhstan, Nigeria, Uzbekistan.

_Control of electoral machinery: Azerbaijan, Bahrain, Malaysia, Thailand, Zimbabwe.

_Interfering with opposition candidates: Belarus, Cuba, Egypt, Iran, Israel in the occupied Palestinian territories, Libya, Turkmenistan, Uganda.

_Political violence: Cambodia, Congo, Ethiopia, Lebanon.

_Stifling the media and civil society: Russia, Tunisia.

_Undermining the law: China, Pakistan.

Both domestic and international law forbid most of these tactics, Human Rights Watch said.

In the face of this, Human Rights Watch said, "The United States and the European Union should ... demand they uphold rights guaranteed by international law, including a free media, freedom of assembly and a secret ballot."

"It seems Washington and European governments will accept even the most dubious election so long as the 'victor' is a strategic or commercial ally," Roth said.

U.S. State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said Thursday that he had not read the report. But promoting human rights, he said, is the "core" of U.S. foreign policy.

Elections, he told reporters, "evolve in different ways in different states according to their own particular history, values and culture."

The United States, he said, encourages the deepening of democracy "in countries where it already exists; and where it has not taken root, (we) work hard in terms of dialogue with those governments and application of resources to see that it does take root."

"It's a long process," he added. "It's the work of generations."

The report said some of the Western countries, including the United States, have made it difficult to demand that offending governments honor human rights by committing abuses themselves in campaigning against terror.

Also, "they will devalue the currency of democracy" if they allow the need for resources, trade and security to make despotism acceptable, and the despots will have "a powerful tool for deflecting pressure to uphold human rights."

"It is time to stop selling democracy on the cheap."

Link:http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080131/ap_on_go_ot/us_human_rights;_ylt=AjtQz.zY7VYMH0tWqufzYZMNJ_wE

shocker1
02-01-2008, 02:14 PM
Democracy can bring out the best and the worst in mankind. It all depends on the culture and issues.

Mu-Meson
02-02-2008, 01:11 AM
I have begun to suspect that HRW and such groups view their data on inverse logarithmic plots. ie. log10 = 1, log10000=4. Therefore if Iran commits 1000 times more human rights abuses than the US, then Iran is 1/4 times as bad as the US.

LaoSexMachine
02-02-2008, 01:17 AM
How th efvck are you suppose to make these country listen to you? These are the same people that probably chant "Bush is lying. People are dying."

What should be done HRW? Please, give us solutions not bitching because it just whininng.

Firetxmi
02-02-2008, 11:48 AM
I have begun to suspect that HRW and such groups view their data on inverse logarithmic plots. ie. log10 = 1, log10000=4. Therefore if Iran commits 1000 times more human rights abuses than the US, then Iran is 1/4 times as bad as the US.

When the good kid in class beats the hell out of a fellow pupil everyone is shocked and the good kid is scolded hard for being out of line and to get him on the right track again; when the bully in class beats the hell out of a fellow student it is business as usual- the kid gets punished but its nothing new for anyone.

asch
02-02-2008, 07:12 PM
How th efvck are you suppose to make these country listen to you? These are the same people that probably chant "Bush is lying. People are dying."

What should be done HRW? Please, give us solutions not bitching because it just whininng.

well, solution by HRW is supporting them. with money. hence all this attention bringing.

Hollis
02-02-2008, 07:15 PM
How th efvck are you suppose to make these country listen to you? These are the same people that probably chant "Bush is lying. People are dying."

What should be done HRW? Please, give us solutions not bitching because it just whininng.


Interesting paradox. first they blame the US for being involved, the they blame the US for not being involved.

Ought Six
02-02-2008, 11:42 PM
Pure democracies are mob rule, unrestrained by human rights. An example is France during the The Reign of Terror. Being unpopular with the masses was usually fatal.

loganinkosovo
02-03-2008, 12:31 AM
"Interfering with opposition candidates: Belarus, Cuba, Egypt, Iran, Israel in the occupied Palestinian territories, Libya, Turkmenistan, Uganda."

I guess blowing away sh!thead Terrorists does constitute "Interfering with opposition candidates" in Palestine.

Kinda shocked they would put cuba on a list of abusers.....usually the people who put out these lists are card-carrying Marxist Fidelophiles.

Rictor
02-03-2008, 12:45 AM
I call bullsh*t. No country has neither the right nor obligation to "bring democracy" to the poor, benighted, backwards people of Wherever. They can choose their own leaders, their own political and economic system and their own religion. If they disliked their present rulers thoroughly enough, they would rise up and liberate themselves just like so many others have before.