Israeli Cabinet Minister Condemns Rafah Demolitions

[Marmot1]

JERUSALEM (*******) - A senior cabinet member touched a sensitive nerve in Israel Sunday by appearing to compare its destruction of Palestinian homes in Rafah refugee camp to Nazi atrocities against Jews during the Holocaust.

Justice Minister Yosef Lapid, a Holocaust survivor, called in a cabinet meeting for an end to the demolitions, describing such a policy as inhumane and liable to lead to war crimes charges against Israel in the International Court of Justice.

"I saw on television an old woman picking through the rubble of her house in Rafah, looking for her medicine, and she reminded me of my grandmother who was expelled from her home during the Holocaust," political sources quoted him as saying.

Israeli armor and infantry pushed into the camp, a militant stronghold, Tuesday in what the army described as a search for tunnels used to smuggle weapons from nearby Egypt.

The operation, in which 42 Palestinians have been killed and hundreds made homeless, has drawn international criticism, including from Israel's main ally, the United States.

Rafah residents say Israeli forces have destroyed some 35 homes and damaged dozens. The army said it razed five homes and others were destroyed or damaged during battles with militants.

At the cabinet session, an angry Prime Minister Ariel Sharon told Lapid, leader of the centrist Shinui party and his main partner in the governing coalition, that his remarks were "unacceptable and intolerable," the sources said.

Speaking later on Israel Radio, Lapid acknowledged that his criticism of the raid -- the strongest voiced by a government member -- "had raised all sort of associations" at the cabinet session.

"To remove any doubt, I said that I didn't mean the Germans or the Holocaust, but when you see an old woman, you think of your own grandmother," he told the radio. Lapid's grandmother perished in the gas chambers at Auschwitz death camp.

BAD ANALOGY

Chiding Lapid, Health Minister Danny Naveh, a member of Sharon's right-wing Likud party, said his colleague should have chosen his words more carefully during the cabinet meeting.
"You can argue about demolishing homes, which I think is justified, but you can't draw these kind of harsh analogies," Naveh told the radio.
Military sources said the army had thinned out its forces in Rafah Friday but that the operation was continuing.

Residents said Sunday Israeli helicopters directed machinegun fire at several houses in the camp and medics reported two wounded, one of them a 10-year-old boy.

Violence in Gaza has risen since Sharon proposed evacuating troops and Jewish settlements in a plan backed by most Israelis and Washington, but rejected by the Likud in a May 2 referendum.

He is widely expected to present an amended proposal to the cabinet on May 30.

Israeli media reports said the main change would be to conduct a phased evacuation of the 21 settlements in Gaza, giving Israel the option of suspending the pullout at various stages, rather than uproot all the enclaves simultaneously.

Palestinians have welcomed any Israeli withdrawal from land occupied in the 1967 Middle East war but want a negotiated rather than a unilateral Gaza pullout

[mack pl]

I hope you didnt start another senseless discussion (like LeMat yeserday).Regards Marmot.

shalom

[786mine]

Why do you think it is senseless? Because Israeli actions are being the same as called Nazi actions?

I think that the IDF is "using a hammer to crack an egg" in Rafah.

[AirZone]

Why do you think it is senseless? Because Israeli actions are being the same as called Nazi actions?

I think that the IDF is "using a hammer to crack an egg" in Rafah.

Some say as Nazi some dont... you know what is our thoughts about that.

Anyway, about using a hammer to crack an egg, I think you never been in Rafah so you shouldnt talk stuff you dont know... lets say its the Fallujah of Israel.

[Moledet]

I only wonder why do people get mad on Israel for killing 42 people which most of them are terroists while in other countries (N. Korea) 1000 people are being killed in gas chambers and no one do this Nazi comparisation and no one do anything to save these poor people?
Maybe this is the answer:


MYTH

"The media lets Israel get away with more because of its alliance with the U.S."

FACT

Americans tend to have a double-standard about the Jews, expecting more from them than other peoples. This is in part due to the Jews' own high expectations and goal of being a "light unto the nations." Thus, when Israelis do something bad, it often attracts attention, whereas Arabs are usually held to a lower standard. For example, when Israel expelled four Palestinians, it generated banner headlines, but when Kuwait deported hundreds of thousands, it was a nonevent. Similarly, the death of one Palestinian in the West Bank received far more coverage than thousands of Arabs killed in Algeria. Rightly or wrongly, the attitude of the public and press is that Jews should behave differently.

[Javehn]

That guy , Yossi Lapid is a member of an opposition . It is naturally he have problems against the acts of the coalition government , even when he don't know the situation in Rafah (the fact that he made his conclussion from a picture , just like many in here . Yew , the picture is not nice , but that's the way it is , not everything pictures nice) .
It's the same when Democrats in America accused Bush on going to Iraq campain . Use every trick in the book you know , that is politics . It might be dirty one , it might be not , use the tricks .

[786mine]

Why do you think it is senseless? Because Israeli actions are being the same as called Nazi actions?

I think that the IDF is "using a hammer to crack an egg" in Rafah.

Some say as Nazi some dont... you know what is our thoughts about that.

Anyway, about using a hammer to crack an egg, I think you never been in Rafah so you shouldnt talk stuff you dont know... lets say its the Fallujah of Israel.

What is up with you mister? Don't talk down to me. Don't be telling me what I know and what I don't know, biatch.

Israel SOMETIMES uses excessive force to carry out some of its missions. That is what I have to say. And for your info, no I've never been to Isarel, but I plan to.

[Mr. Nielsen]

I only wonder why do people get mad on Israel for killing 42 people which most of them are terroists

What terrorists? Those that wasn't outright civilians, seems more likely to be have been defending their neighbourhood.



MYTH

"The media lets Israel get away with more because of its alliance with the U.S."

FACT

...For example, when Israel expelled four Palestinians, it generated banner headlines, but when Kuwait deported hundreds of thousands,...


Perhaps it might have to with the fact that, Israel was expelling people from their own country, while Kuwait wasn't.

[S'13]

Why do you think it is? Because Israeli actions are being the same as called Nazi actions?


To compare the two is not only senseless but also an injustice and a lack of respect towards the victims of Nazi atrocities.


I think that the IDF is "using a hammer to crack an egg" in Rafah.

Yes, you know better than the IDF how we should deal with the situation... :roll:

BTW, Lapid has also denied over the radio that he had made any comparison between Nazi actions and the IDF's actions.

[mack pl]

Why do you think it is senseless? Because Israeli actions are being the same as called Nazi actions?

I think that the IDF is "using a hammer to crack an egg" in Rafah.no comment

[Moledet]

I only wonder why do people get mad on Israel for killing 42 people which most of them are terroists

What terrorists? Those that wasn't outright civilians, seems more likely to be have been defending their neighbourhood.



MYTH

"The media lets Israel get away with more because of its alliance with the U.S."

FACT

...For example, when Israel expelled four Palestinians, it generated banner headlines, but when Kuwait deported hundreds of thousands,...


Perhaps it might have to with the fact that, Israel was expelling people from their own country, while Kuwait wasn't.
If they are a part of a terror organizations then they are terrorists.
So I'll give you another comparisation: Israel killed 3000 Palestinians (militants+civiliasn) in the last 3.5 years, while Jordan killed 20,000 Palestinians in Black October, 1970, but there was not even one UN resolution or a proposed resolution against the massacre or a vast media coverage while against Israel there were dozens of UN resolutions and proposed resolutions.
Or in Syria the Palestinians are being tortured and they have no civil rights but you don't hear about it in the news, why?
I guess that you have never heard about this case either: When the Syrian city of Hamah revolted against the Assad dictatorship, the Syrian special forces obliterated it to the ground with massive artillery, tank, and air barrage, killing 10,000 people.

[S'13]

[quote]What terrorists? Those that wasn't outright civilians, seems more likely to be have been defending their neighbourhood.

It's more like they are defending the stockpiles of weapons, explosives and home made rockets used to target Israeli cities beyond the Green Line and the tunnles used to smuggle them. :|


Perhaps it might have to with the fact that, Israel was expelling people from their own country, while Kuwait wasn't.

"Own country"? Which country would that be?

[big80a2]

Why do you think it is senseless? Because Israeli actions are being the same as called Nazi actions?

I think that the IDF is "using a hammer to crack an egg" in Rafah.

here we go again:


The thing is that when talking about tactics of NAZIs during ww2 and compering them to
some tactics used by Israel is out of line.
Some tactics used by Israel are against palie terrorist are the same as the ones used by US in history.... But when you say that, it would not be as laden as compering to Nazi tactics. Get the point. It is useless and quite bad. The whole nature of nazi tactics was destroying Under menshen
and that is not the nature of IDF tactics.
About colective punishmend... well as far as I see it is not that like as the Nazis did or even the alies (bombing city's) tell me when Israel rounded up the man, women and children from a palie city... executed them and buried them in mass graves??
Israel punishes the contributers to terrorists, they don't kill the whole family.....
The wall is maybe a prison (in your eye's) for the palies.... so are the arab borders around israel a prison wall for the Israelis.... (it's about perspective)

[AirZone]

Why do you think it is senseless? Because Israeli actions are being the same as called Nazi actions?

I think that the IDF is "using a hammer to crack an egg" in Rafah.

here we go again:


The thing is that when talking about tactics of NAZIs during ww2 and compering them to
some tactics used by Israel is out of line.
Some tactics used by Israel are against palie terrorist are the same as the ones used by US in history.... But when you say that, it would not be as laden as compering to Nazi tactics. Get the point. It is useless and quite bad. The whole nature of nazi tactics was destroying Under menshen
and that is not the nature of IDF tactics.
About colective punishmend... well as far as I see it is not that like as the Nazis did or even the alies (bombing city's) tell me when Israel rounded up the man, women and children from a palie city... executed them and buried them in mass graves??
Israel punishes the contributers to terrorists, they don't kill the whole family.....
The wall is maybe a prison (in your eye's) for the palies.... so are the arab borders around israel a prison wall for the Israelis.... (it's about perspective)
Dont you understand ? its easy for people that live in a far far country to compare us to the nazi's, lets them feel good... :roll: (and dont start with the anti-israel/antisemite whine because its getting on my nerves)

[AirZone]

Why do you think it is senseless? Because Israeli actions are being the same as called Nazi actions?

I think that the IDF is "using a hammer to crack an egg" in Rafah.

Some say as Nazi some dont... you know what is our thoughts about that.

Anyway, about using a hammer to crack an egg, I think you never been in Rafah so you shouldnt talk stuff you dont know... lets say its the Fallujah of Israel.

What is up with you mister? Don't talk down to me. Don't be telling me what I know and what I don't know, biatch.

Israel SOMETIMES uses excessive force to carry out some of its missions. That is what I have to say. And for your info, no I've never been to Isarel, but I plan to. Whoa, I just said you dont have any idea what REALLY goes on in there...and dont tell me about media because the world's media nor Israeli media are really objective (only people who been in there like Javenh/IDFM203/my sister that served in hevron and told me about whats really goin on) so yeah some where I do look down on you because I know more about this conflict than you... so please shut up because you dont have any idea how its to live in here, and to lose people you know in a suicide bombing bus, and losing your friends in the territories because the goverment dont want to look bad infront of the media/world so we are too human.

Ignorat jerk...

[ariweiner]

"tell me when Israel rounded up the man, women and children from a palie city... executed them and buried them in mass graves??"

Deir Yassin (http://www.deiryassin.org/)

[Javehn]

Oh ****ing give a break , asshole !! The oldest trick in the book , Ariewener , at list dig something more present you morron . :roll:

Tell me what is your stand about the attack on UN convoy earlier this day ?

[AirZone]

"tell me when Israel rounded up the man, women and children from a palie city... executed them and buried them in mass graves??"

Deir Yassin (http://www.deiryassin.org/)

תפס אותנו בביצים חזק חזק :lol:

[Javehn]

I have another question to you . Dir yassin , yes ?
What is your stand on 1920-1921 and 1929 slaughters ? Now what are those about ?

[Javehn]

Or should i remind you about famous Palestinian demagogy , in let's say for example Arabic villedge near Kibuts Gesher , same old war ? When one patrol of IDF (well , there were no IDF at that time) that was headed for British station in the area was enough to entire villadge run crying "they gonna slaughter us" , and run away leaving the villadge empty .

[S'13]

"tell me when Israel rounded up the man, women and children from a palie city... executed them and buried them in mass graves??"

Deir Yassin (http://www.deiryassin.org/)


What happened at Dir Yassin?

Dir Yassin was certainly not a massacre of a peaceful village, but rather was an Arab-Jewish battle with unfortunate civilian casualties.

Dir Yassin lies on a hill west of Jerusalem, eight hundred meters above sea level, and 700 meters from the Jewish neighbourhood of Givat Shaul. The Dir Yassin fortified position overlooked the westerly Jewish neighborhoods: Givat Shaul, Bet Hakerem, Yefe Nof, and the road to Bayit Vagan. The village also overlooked the section of road linking Jerusalem to Tel-Aviv. Dir Yassin served as a halfway site for forces moving up from the Arab villages of Ein Karem and Malha in the south to Kastel and Kolonia, which overlooked the main Jerusalem - Tel Aviv road.

On April 2, 1948, the Arab inhabitants of Dir Yassin began sniping at the Jewish Quarters of Bet Hakerem and Yefe Nof. According to reports by the Shai (Haganah Intelligence), fortifications were being constructed in the village and a large quantity of arms being stockpiled. Several days before the attack on Dir Yassin, the presence of foreign fighters was reported, including Iraqi soldiers and irregular forces. An Arab research study conducted at Bir Zeit University (near Ramallah) relates that the men of Dir Yassin took an active part in violent acts against Jewish targets and that many of the men of the village fought in the battle for Kastel, together with Abd-el-Kadr el-Husseini. The report also stated that trenches had been dug at the entry to the village, and that more than 100 men had been trained and equipped with rifles and Bren guns. A local guard force had been set up and 40 inhabitants guarded the village every night.

On April 6, 1948, Operation Nachshon was launched by the Haganah with the aim of opening up the road to Jerusalem. The Palmach was part of this effort together with the Irgun (under Menachem Begin) and Lehi forces, their first combined operation. On Thursday, April 8, 1948 they launched an attack on Dir Yassin between 4 and 5 AM. A loudspeaker mounted on an armored car warned the Arabs and asked them to evacuate their women and children. Hundreds left, but hundreds stayed. A pitched battle ensued, and when the smoke cleared, 110 to 120 Arabs were killed, 40 Jews were seriously injured and four Jews were dead. The number killed has been confirmed even by Palestinian Arab researchers, such as Bir Zeit University professor Sharif Kanaana who puts the number no higher than 120 (although he clings to the claim of massacre). Another contemporary Arab source deflates the number killed to less than 100, stating, after a count, "that there were no more than 46 corpses". The head of the coroner unit, professor Yehoshua Arieli, testified that the number was 110.

The use of the loudsepaker to warn the civilians to evacuate is a key point, certainly not the action of soldiers planning to murder the population. The loudspeaker is not in dispute. A publication of the Arab League titled Israeli Aggression states:

On the night of April 9, 1948, the peaceful Arab village of Deir Yassin was surprised by a loudspeaker, which called on the population to evacuate it immediately.
The village was not peaceful, but the essential part of this quote agrees with Jewish accounts.

The massacre claim, meaning the killing of defenceless people, has long since been discredited by the Israeli government and every other historical study. The story persists because pro-Arab sources constantly repeat it, often inflating the number of dead to 250 or more. There are completely fictional accounts written about Arabs being marched to the mosque and shot against the walls, or even worse stories of torture, rape or any other shocking aspect the storyteller invents. As an example, here is how one Arab website describes the scene:

[The Jews used] machine guns, then grenades and finished of with knives. Women's bellies were cut open and babies were butchered in the hands of their helpless mothers. Around 250 people were murdered in cold blood. Of them 25 pregnant women were bayoneted in the abdomen while still alive. 52 children were maimed under the eyes of their own mothers, and they were slain and their heads cut off.

To say there is not a shread of evidence for these embellishments is giving them too much credit.

On the contrary, there are eyewitness accounts from the time, Jewish and Arab, that tell the story as it happened. For example, according to the Daily Telegraph, April 8, 1998, Ayish Zeidan, a resident of the village and a survivor of the fighting there, stated:

The Arab radio talked of women being killed and raped, but this is not true... I believe that most of those who were killed were among the fighters and the women and children who helped the fighters. The Arab leaders committed a big mistake. By exaggerating the atrocities they thought they would encourage people to fight back harder. Instead they created panic and people ran away.

Dir Yassin was a reasonable military target for Jewish forces, there was warning given before the battle, a fierce battle was fought with casualties on both sides. No massacre, no mutiliations, no atrocities.

Palestinian Arab eyewitnesses have recently admitted that some of their claims about Dir Yassin were deliberate fabrications. The issue of the Jerusalem Report dated April 2, 1998 describes a BBC television program in which Hazem Nusseibeh, an editor of the Palestine Broadcasting Service's Arabic news in 1948, admits that he was told by Hussein Khalidi, a prominent Palestinian Arab leader, to fabricate claims of atrocities at Dir Yassin in order to encourage Arab regimes to invade the expected Jewish state.

According to the Jerusalem Report:

Nusseibeh "describes an encounter at the Jaffa Gate of Jerusalem's Old City with Deir Yassin survivors and Palestinian leaders, including Hussein Khalidi... 'I asked Dr. Khalidi how we should cover the story,' recalled Nusseibeh. 'He said, "We must make the most of this." So we wrote a press release stating that at Deir Yassin children were murdered, pregnant women were raped. All sorts of atrocities.' "

The BBC program then shows a recent interview with Abu Mahmud, who was a Dir Yassin resident in 1948, who says:

... the villagers protested against the atrocity claims: We said, "There was no rape." [Khalidi] said, "We have to say this, so the Arab armies will come to liberate Palestine from the Jews."

Khalidi was one of the originators of the "massacre" allegation in 1948. It was Khalidi's claims about Jewish atrocities in Dir Yassin that were the basis for an article in the New York Times by its correspondent, Dana Schmidt (on April 12, 1948), claiming a massacre took place. The Times article has been widely reprinted and cited as "proof" of the massacre throughout the past 50 years.

Nusseibeh, who is a member of one of Jerusalem's most prominent Arab families and presently lives in Amman, told the BBC that the fabricated atrocity stories about Dir Yassin were:

"...our biggest mistake," because "Palestinians fled in terror" and left the country in huge numbers after hearing the atrocity claims.

It has also been alleged that the Dir Yassin hoax was supported by the left-wing political party of David Ben-Gurion in order to smear the right-wing, the Irgun and its commander Menachem Begin.

Note: Also spelled Dayr Yasin, Deir Yassin, Dir Yassin, and variants.

http://palestinefacts.org/pf_independence_war_diryassin.php

[S'13]

"tell me when Israel rounded up the man, women and children from a palie city... executed them and buried them in mass graves??"

Deir Yassin (http://www.deiryassin.org/)

תפס אותנו בביצים חזק חזק :lol:

לא תפס ולא נעליים. דיר יאסין היה קרב כמו כל קרב, אני כבר לא זוכר כמה פעמים הטמבלים האלו הוציאו את השטות הזו

[AirZone]

"tell me when Israel rounded up the man, women and children from a palie city... executed them and buried them in mass graves??"

Deir Yassin (http://www.deiryassin.org/)

תפס אותנו בביצים חזק חזק :lol:

לא תפס ולא נעליים. דיר יאסין היה קרב כמו כל קרב, אני כבר לא זוכר כמה פעמים הטמבלים האלו הוציאו את השטות הזו

bah
התבלבלתי עם כפר קאסם

[Javehn]

איזה נעל אתה :lol:

[mack pl]

איזה נעל אתה lubicie te swoje robaczki,co ;)

[Javehn]

Lubim lubim :lol:
Yevreska horosz robaczka ;)

[mack pl]

Lubim lubim :lol:
Yevreska horosz robaczka ;) p-) pozdro ;)

[Javehn]

hehehe :lol:

So , where is Ariweiner with my answers ? :roll:

[mack pl]

hehehe :lol:

intelligent reply, like always mate ;)

[Sayeret]

Justice Minister Yosef Lapid, a Holocaust survivor, called in a cabinet meeting for an end to the demolitions, describing such a policy as inhumane and liable to lead to war crimes charges against Israel in the International Court of Justice.

"I saw on television an old woman picking through the rubble of her house in Rafah, looking for her medicine, and she reminded me of my grandmother who was expelled from her home during the Holocaust,"

This is just plain disrespectful to the victims of the Holocaust. He should be ashamed of what he said. IMO its okaey if he wants to be against the operation but its sickening that he is comparing the Holocaust to an operation the Israelis are carrying out to hunt down murderers and terrorists who target Israelis.

[Mr. Nielsen]

Another site for those interested in the Deir Yassin massacre:

http://www.ariga.com/peacewatch/dy/

And more here:

http://electronicintifada.net/bytopic/257.shtml

[mack pl]

Justice Minister Yosef Lapid, a Holocaust survivor, called in a cabinet meeting for an end to the demolitions, describing such a policy as inhumane and liable to lead to war crimes charges against Israel in the International Court of Justice.

"I saw on television an old woman picking through the rubble of her house in Rafah, looking for her medicine, and she reminded me of my grandmother who was expelled from her home during the Holocaust,"

This is just plain disrespectful to the victims of the Holocaust. He should be ashamed of what he said. IMO its okaey if he wants to be against the operation but its sickening that he is comparing the Holocaust to an operation the Israelis are carrying out to hunt down murderers and terrorists who target Israelis.he is Holocaust survivor-he could compare whatever he wants :|

ohh,well, i dont care :|

[Javehn]

Electronical Intifada is one of your sources ? I don't want to nitpick here , that site is less biased then regular Hamas and Paltruth bull**** and more intellegent , but it's still fulk of inconsistens , mainly because it does take it's information from sites like paltruth .

[Javehn]

hehehe :lol:

intelligent reply, like always mate ;)

Watch out now , son . You are walking on a fine line . ;)
Or was that ass kissing ? Then i don't mind . :lol:

[AirZone]

Another site for those interested in the Deir Yassin massacre:

http://www.ariga.com/peacewatch/dy/

And more here:

http://electronicintifada.net/bytopic/257.shtml


*yawn*

[mack pl]

hehehe :lol:

intelligent reply, like always mate ;)

Watch out now , son . You are walking on a fine line . ;)
Or was that ass kissing ? Then i don't mind . :lol:im not your son, boy ;)
And it wasn"t kiss :|

shalom

[S'13]

Another site for those interested in the Deir Yassin massacre:


I think that my last post made it clear that this event shouldn't be reffered to as a "massacre" but as a battle. ;)

[AirZone]

Another site for those interested in the Deir Yassin massacre:


I think that my last post made it clear that this event shouldn't be reffered to as a "massacre" but as a battle. ;) No ! its a massacre ! he knows more than us after all he lives in denmark and they study in school its a massacre, while we study in school it was a battle, you know... jewish propeganda :roll:

[mack pl]

Another site for those interested in the Deir Yassin massacre:


I think that my last post made it clear that this event shouldn't be reffered to as a "massacre" but as a battle. ;) No ! its a massacre ! he knows more than us after all he lives in denmark and they study in school its a massacre, while we study in school it was a battle, you know... jewish propeganda :roll:ohh,well, so you know more about that coz you are in Israel :roll:
someone have pics from his window view :roll:
shalom

[Javehn]

mack pl .

Соси хуй , дядя ;) . Я не культурный :lol:

[AirZone]

Another site for those interested in the Deir Yassin massacre:


I think that my last post made it clear that this event shouldn't be reffered to as a "massacre" but as a battle. ;) No ! its a massacre ! he knows more than us after all he lives in denmark and they study in school its a massacre, while we study in school it was a battle, you know... jewish propeganda :roll:ohh,well, so you know more about that coz you are in Israel :roll:
someone have pics from his window view :roll:
shalom and because we study about it ;)

[mack pl]

Another site for those interested in the Deir Yassin massacre:


I think that my last post made it clear that this event shouldn't be reffered to as a "massacre" but as a battle. ;) No ! its a massacre ! he knows more than us after all he lives in denmark and they study in school its a massacre, while we study in school it was a battle, you know... jewish propeganda :roll:ohh,well, so you know more about that coz you are in Israel :roll:
someone have pics from his window view :roll:
shalom and because we study about it ;)ohh,yeah :roll:

@javehn-widze właśnie,że z kulturą to nie masz wiele wspólnego(chyba ,że z masową) ;)

[AirZone]

Another site for those interested in the Deir Yassin massacre:


I think that my last post made it clear that this event shouldn't be reffered to as a "massacre" but as a battle. ;) No ! its a massacre ! he knows more than us after all he lives in denmark and they study in school its a massacre, while we study in school it was a battle, you know... jewish propeganda :roll:ohh,well, so you know more about that coz you are in Israel :roll:
someone have pics from his window view :roll:
shalom and because we study about it ;)ohh,yeah :roll:

@javehn-widze właśnie,że z kulturą to nie masz wiele wspólnego(chyba ,że z masową) ;) what ? are you being saracatic ? im being serious.

[Javehn]

widze właśnie,że z kulturą to nie masz wiele wspólnego(chyba ,że z masową)

I don't think i have problems with my personal culture ;)
I am sorry dude if you got offended . I have dirty jokes :)

[mack pl]

widze właśnie,że z kulturą to nie masz wiele wspólnego(chyba ,że z masową)

I don't think i have problems with my personal culture ;)
I am sorry dude if you got offended . I have dirty jokes :)yeah,ok,your sense of humour is ....ohh, whatever

zrób sobie łódke z cegieł i sprawdż jak pływa ;)

szalom ;)

[mack pl]

Another site for those interested in the Deir Yassin massacre:


I think that my last post made it clear that this event shouldn't be reffered to as a "massacre" but as a battle. ;) No ! its a massacre ! he knows more than us after all he lives in denmark and they study in school its a massacre, while we study in school it was a battle, you know... jewish propeganda :roll:ohh,well, so you know more about that coz you are in Israel :roll:
someone have pics from his window view :roll:
shalom and because we study about it ;)ohh,yeah :roll:

@javehn-widze właśnie,że z kulturą to nie masz wiele wspólnego(chyba ,że z masową) ;) what ? are you being saracatic ? im being serious.yeah, sarcasm is my second name ;)

[big80a2]

read the thing's you posted ariwiener,
and found out that the redcross report is a lot milder than the arab reports......
The numbers do go up and down all the time is hard to make judgement.
Still, if this is true than I think Israel has learned from these badthings...

[fred_engles]

That guy , Yossi Lapid is a member of an opposition . It is naturally he have problems against the acts of the coalition governmentJavehn, was that just a stupid mistake? Or do you honestly not follow the politics of your own government? Shinui is part of Sharon's coalition government (which is how Lapid got the Justice Ministry in the first place).