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Khabbi
05-23-2004, 10:09 AM
Judge dismisses Ashcroft attempt to shut down Greenpeace


Wed 19 May 2004
UNITED STATES/Miami, Florida


In a stunning setback to the Bush administration's attempt to shut down Greenpeace, a Federal Judge in Miami has dismissed the government's case against us for exposing illegal mahogany shipments.


Judge Adalberto Jordan cited insufficient evidence in dismissing the case. Upon granting a jury trial last month, he expressed doubts about the Justice Department's ability to prevail against Greenpeace's claim that the criminal statute involved is unfairly vague. "It is not a good sign," he wrote, "when the government resorts to defining a phrase by repeating the phrase itself."

The prosecution was widely criticized as an attempt to silence Greenpeace. Al Gore called the case "highly disturbing" and Senator Patrick Leahy warned that a successful prosecution would "have a chilling effect on free speech and activism of all kinds."

This was the first time that an entire organisation faced prosecution by the US government for free-speech related activities. The case arose from an action in February 2002, when Greenpeace volunteers carried out a peaceful protest against a cargo ship which was transporting illegal mahogany from the Brazilian Amazon.

Unable to find a law against protecting the environment, the US government had to improvise. The best they could come up with was an obscure 1872 law against "sailor mongering." The bizarre statute was originally designed to discourage owners of inns and brothels from boarding ships as they were about to enter port, in order to lure the sailors into their establishments. It has only been used twice in its 132-year history.

Greenpeace USA Executive Director John Passacantando stated "The conduct for which the Ashcroft Justice Department seeks to prosecute Greenpeace was, essentially, whistle-blowing -- publicly exposing and preventing violations of U.S. law prohibiting the importation of illegally harvested mahogany wood."

Speaking from the Miami Federal Courthouse, Passacantando said that "America's tradition of free speech won a victory today, but our liberties are still not safe; the Bush administration and its allies seem bent on stifling our tradition of civil protest, a tradition that has made our country stronger throughout our history."

Over 100,000 people world-wide sent protest messages to George Bush and US Attorney General John Ashcroft demanding that the case be dropped.

Score one for GP woot

http://www.greenpeace.org/international_en/news/details?item_id=479599&print=1

moughoun
05-23-2004, 10:23 AM
For God's sake doesn't John Ashcroft and the DOJ have better thing's to be doing at the moment, isn't there a naked statue to cover up somewhere

Seoulstriker
05-23-2004, 11:01 AM
GreenPeace has some members whose actions constitute domestic terrorism. They are closely related to ELFs. And if anyone knows what ELFs do, they would understand that they need to be shut down and prosecuted. :|

moughoun
05-23-2004, 11:16 AM
GreenPeace has some members whose actions constitute domestic terrorism. They are closely related to ELFs. And if anyone knows what ELFs do, they would understand that they need to be shut down and prosecuted. :|

If that's the case prosecute them on that, but they didn't they prosecuted for a different reason, you can't just make up the rule's as you go along

Khabbi
05-23-2004, 11:38 AM
GreenPeace has some members whose actions constitute domestic terrorism. They are closely related to ELFs. And if anyone knows what ELFs do, they would understand that they need to be shut down and prosecuted. :|

Are you saying GreenPeace has to be shut down ? rofl

ChuckThunder
05-23-2004, 12:21 PM
GreenPeace has some members whose actions constitute domestic terrorism. They are closely related to ELFs. And if anyone knows what ELFs do, they would understand that they need to be shut down and prosecuted. :|

Are you saying GreenPeace has to be shut down ? rofl

Even the French want them gone.

Brozozo
05-23-2004, 01:11 PM
I don't like GP at all, they're just a bunch of seal-f*cking faggots IMO. But I don't think Ashcroft is right in shutting them down...

Durandal
05-23-2004, 01:32 PM
A) The government needs to get its head out of its ass.

B) Why not use simple tresspassing laws to proescute Green Peace folks. If they, in fact, protested ON the ship (you need to read other news sources than simply regurgitating Green Peace "news sources"). Then they broke a law as well. Regardless of wether you think they are doing it for good or for ill, the broke a law and need to be punshed.

C) This of course should not involve Ashcroft at all, but local authorities (even if they are Federal).

B) This is a a very small "blip" on the radar. I wonder if there are other such infractions and if so, who is buying the "pressure" you see exerted on what ammounts to misdemeanor charges...

Interesting...

A federal government taking action on such a small "thing"...

and

As usual, a bunch of econ nuts feel that laws are ok to break so lo long as YOU think you are doing good...like putting spike in trees to injure or kill loggers.

Khabbi
05-23-2004, 01:44 PM
(you need to read other news sources than simply regurgitating Green Peace "news sources")

I could prob have made a effort and found it on BBC or CNN , but I dident realy think about it .

Its not fair to say that every Green Peace member is out putting nails in tree's and doing other illegal activities.

Durandal
05-23-2004, 02:03 PM
(you need to read other news sources than simply regurgitating Green Peace "news sources")

I could prob have made a effort and found it on BBC or CNN , but I dident realy think about it .

Its not fair to say that every Green Peace member is out putting nails in tree's and doing other illegal activities.

Of course it is not fair, that is why I said...


As usual, a bunch of econ nuts feel that laws are ok to break so long as YOU think you are doing good...like putting spikes in trees to injure or kill loggers.

Which is true. I never said ALL Green Peace members are eco nuts. Hell, most Green Peace members are "innactive cash memberships that sit in comfort of their class room and suburban home thinking of an idealistic world where putting pop cans in a recycling bin is actually helping the environment". They give their twenty bucks and go on living their life as per usual...

So no, you are correct MOST Green Peace members are NOT eco nuts.

It is however, typcial that eco-nuts think they are somehow above the law. Which they most definately aren't. It is not unusual to see POORLY educate eco-nuts think they are doing some good, while breaking the law, and in the end cause more harm than good.

http://www.stopecoviolence.com/news.htm

Khabbi
05-23-2004, 03:09 PM
Sorry Durandal , it was'nt directed at you .

Not sure what you ment with the recycling thing ? because recycling does work . And its much better then just dumping everything .

Break the law , go to jail . Thats the way it should work.

Durandal
05-23-2004, 03:22 PM
Not sure what you ment with the recycling thing ? because recycling does work . And its much better then just dumping everything...

The point is that it is lazy recycling. Sure it is good, but it involves very little or no effort.

They need to get off their asses and donate time to their local community if they want any pity out of me. Show me they are actually DOING something.

Khabbi
05-23-2004, 03:33 PM
I agree , everybody needs to do alot more .