AR-15 Upper

[mdh60]

Hey, I am building up my AR-15 piece by piece and have the lower receiver totally finished. I don't feel like buying the upper receiver piece by piece and want to order one already assembled. Can anyone with experience recommend a quality upper receiver in the $600 range. I am looking for one with a "20 barrel and a flat top rail. My lower has a six position collapsible stock, so do you think that will go well with the 20" barrel? I have a 10/30 magazine for it and the allen wrench magazine detachment feature (I live in the People Republic of California).

[-[Crosshair]-]

We're issued C7A2s here (20" upper with a 4-position telescoping stock) and the only thing I noticed different from full stocks (our old C7A1s) is that the weapon gets more front-heavy, especially if you push the stock a bit forward. Otherwise it's good to go and has more to do with personal choice.

[Hollis]

-;3035461']We're issued C7A2s here (20" upper with a 4-position telescoping stock) and the only thing I noticed different from full stocks (our old C7A1s) is that the weapon gets more front-heavy, especially if you push the stock a bit forward. Otherwise it's good to go and has more to do with personal choice.


The stocks are attached to the Lower receiver on a AR.


There are a number of companies, you can check with Brownells for one. I don't know what the Kaliforny's laws are on bayonet lugs.

[-[Crosshair]-]

The stocks are attached to the Lower receiver on a AR.

I know (especially since I have to inspect and fix them), I didn't mean the uppers came with the stocks on them, just that our C7s have that setup. I guess I could have worded that better.

[Hollis]

-;3035471']I know (especially since I have to inspect and fix them), I didn't mean the uppers came with the stocks on them, just that our C7s have that setup. I guess I could have worded that better.


OK got it, Also he lives in Kaliforny, a adjustable stock could get him jail time. They have weird laws in that state.

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Quite indeed. I'm not to familiar with californian gun laws, but I'm aware of the fixed magazines and the many different grips to avoid putting a genuine pistol grip on AR-15s there. I assume one can have a telescoping stock if he has those features?

[chop shop]

www.model1sales.com (http://www.model1sales.com)

[jimmyboots]

go with rock river. they make cali legal uppers with brakes and no lugs.

[mdh60]

You can have a semi auto rifle here with a collapsible stock, pistol grip, and all the other components of an assault rifle. The main difference is that if you are going to have all those features, you cannot have a "readily detachable magazine", which basically means you need some sort of tool to detach the mag. The allen wrench set up allows you to set your rifle to have a fixed magazine and be Kalifornia legal when it needs to be, and in less then a minute switched so that the magazine can be inserted and detached like any normal non Kalifornia AR if you ever find yourself in a situation where it was legal to do so. Every time they pass some stupid anti-gun law here, we just find a loophole in it.

[LimaOscarSierraTango]

go with rock river. they make cali legal uppers with brakes and no lugs.

I was told that lugs are legal now (the ban expired). I haven't verified it yet, but I still have a lug on my AR. It's been inspected by SWAT members in 2 different counties and they primarily look at the mag/mag well. I use a "bullet button" and haven't been harassed about it, although I know there are some jurisdictions that want the mag epoxied or welded in. Also, most LEO's I've chatted with about Cali-legal AR's say they want a 10-round or less mag. They don't want a modified 30-rounder to only accept 10 rounds. I believe the OP may also have to replace the stock A2 compensator/flash hider/whatever you wanna call it. Pretty lame stuff, but that's what happens when you get people like Boxer and Feinstein making the rules. :roll:

[jimmyboots]

Thought that Cali had its own ban like Ct, NY, which meant muzzle brake(not flash hider) no lug, no collapsible stock for post 94 ban lower receivers. I was also aware of the horrible welded magazine thing. Interesting.

[mdh60]

There is no way in hell that I am welding or epoxying my mag in.

[mdh60]

I also have a pre ban thirty round magazine and two twenty rounders. They are all legal to own, but is it legal to use them in a new rifle?

[chop shop]

I also have a pre ban thirty round magazine and two twenty rounders. They are all legal to own, but is it legal to use them in a new rifle?
as long as it's legal in your locale to have a detachable magazine

[mdh60]

Here our magazines have to be "non redily detatchable", which means we have to use a tool to take them in and out. So what is the legal difference between locking in a pre ban thirty rounder and a post ban 10 round mag or post ban 10/30 mag to a new AR?

[chop shop]

the gun don't care. since there is "no ban" there is legally no difference between the magazines.

[zonk]

http://www.model1sales.com/images/pdf/Model1Catalog.pdf





question: of the models shown is that the full rifle or just the upper reciever, i noticed it mentioned lower reciever parts something or another

trying to make heads or tails of this

[SMGLee]

I would sek out a LMT upper assembly or at least a CMT. Also Bravo company teamed uap with one of the larger and more reputable manufacture to produce their own upper. Bravo's barrel are like LMT and CMT, Map tested.

you are looking for approximately an uppler with carrier assembly and a standard handguard, you should easily find a LMT for that price.

[chop shop]

http://www.model1sales.com/images/pdf/Model1Catalog.pdf





question: of the models shown is that the full rifle or just the upper reciever, i noticed it mentioned lower reciever parts something or another

trying to make heads or tails of this
the link you posted shows the whole catalog. if you go to their website and look at the top there is a dropdown menu of just upper assemblies. they send them ready to shoot. they ALSO sell complete kits minus the lower reciever

[jimmyboots]

I also have a pre ban thirty round magazine and two twenty rounders. They are all legal to own, but is it legal to use them in a new rifle?

according to calguns.net, no. Cali does not allow anything with "evil" assault weapons features like:

A semiautomatic centerfire rifle capable of accepting detachable magazines and any of:
▪ a pistol grip protruding conspicuously below the weapon’s action
▪ a thumbhole stock or folding or telescopic stock;
▪ a flash suppressor, grenade launcher or flare launcher;
▪ a forward pistol grip.

A semiautomatic centerfire rifle with overall length of less than 30 inches;
A semiautomatic centerfire rifle with a fixed magazine holding over 10 rounds.

So either be careful what you do or be really cool with everyone at the range you go too. Cops sometimes aren't the best source for state gun laws, you can get varying opinions from person to person. There is such a thing as a off-list lower, not too sure what that entail maybe one of our Cali members could chime in.

[Hollis]

I do not like Kaliforny, me Love where I live,


Who need magazines any way?

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k226/Hollis6475/MR42wTP.jpg

[jimmyboots]

wow me jealous, too bad about ammo prices these days

[Hollis]

wow me jealous, too bad about ammo prices these days


No problem, me reload. much cheaper.


Dillon 550B, 500 rds per hour,

[mdh60]

There is such a thing as a off-list lower, not too sure what that entail maybe one of our Cali members could chime in.

This is true. According to what I have been told by some people I asked whose buisness specifically relates to this topic, if it is not on the original ban list ( i.e. stag arms, dpms, etc.) then it is fair game.

Its a complicated web of bans, laws, loopholes and B.S. out here in The Peoples Republic of Kalifornia.

By the way, this is a great thread. I know a ton of guys interested in getting into this stuff, but get overwhelmed when they go to one of those AR-15 forums.

[LimaOscarSierraTango]

This is true. According to what I have been told by some people I asked whose buisness specifically relates to this topic, if it is not on the original ban list ( i.e. stag arms, dpms, etc.) then it is fair game.

Its a complicated web of bans, laws, loopholes and B.S. out here in The Peoples Republic of Kalifornia.

By the way, this is a great thread. I know a ton of guys interested in getting into this stuff, but get overwhelmed when they go to one of those AR-15 forums.


Calguns.net has all the info you need. I have an OLL, and finding a shop that will sell an AR lower is harder to find the closer you get to the hippies in the Bay Area.

But the cool thing is, once you get a lower, you can get anything else you want for your rifle (as long as it falls within the laws of the PRC). If you transport, the best thing to do is to separate the upper and lower. Technically, all they need is the lower if they want to confiscate your weapon since that is the only piece that has a serial number.