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BloodyTalon
02-10-2008, 01:45 AM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=513362&in_page_id=1770&ct=5

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British Olympic chiefs are to force athletes to sign a contract promising not to speak out about China's appalling human rights record – or face being banned from travelling to Beijing.

The move – which raises the spectre of the order given to the England football team to give a Nazi salute in Berlin in 1938 – immediately provoked a storm of protest.

The controversial clause has been inserted into athletes' contracts for the first time and forbids them from making any political comment about countries staging the Olympic Games.

It is contained in a 32-page document that will be presented to all those who reach the qualifying standard and are chosen for the team.

From the moment they sign up, the competitors – likely to include the Queen's granddaughter Zara Phillips and world record holder Paula Radcliffe – will be effectively gagged from commenting on China's politics, human rights abuses or illegal occupation of Tibet.

Prince Charles has already let it be known that he will not be going to China, even if he is invited by Games organisers.

His views on the Communist dictatorship are well known, after this newspaper revealed how he described China's leaders as “appalling old waxworks” in a journal written after he attended the handover of Hong Kong. The Prince is also a long-time supporter of the Dalai Lama, the Tibetan leader.

Yesterday the British Olympic Association (BOA) confirmed to The Mail on Sunday that any athlete who refuses to sign the agreements will not be allowed to travel to Beijing.

Should a competitor agree to the clause but then speak their mind about China, they will be put on the next plane home.

The clause, in section 4 of the contract, simply states: “[Athletes] are not to comment on any politically sensitive issues.”

It then refers competitors to Section 51 of the International Olympic Committee charter, which “provides for no kind of demonstration, or political, religious or racial propaganda in the Olympic sites, venues or other areas”.

The BOA took the decision even though other countries – including the United States, Canada, Finland, and Australia – have pledged that their athletes would be free to speak about any issue concerning China.

To date, only New Zealand and Belgium have banned their athletes from giving political opinions while competing at the Games.

Simon Clegg, the BOA's chief executive, said: “There are all sorts of organisations who would like athletes to use the Olympic Games as a vehicle to publicise their causes.

“I don't believe that is in the interest of the team performance.

“As a team we are ambassadors of the country and we have to conform to an appropriate code of conduct.”

However, human rights campaigner Lord David Alton condemned the move as “making a mockery” of the right to free speech.

The controversial decision to award the Olympics to Beijing means this year's Games have the potential to be the most politically charged since 1936.

Adolf Hitler used the Munich Games that year to glorify his Nazi regime, although his claims of Aryan superiority were undermined by black American athlete Jesse Owens winning four gold medals.

More recently, there was a mass boycott of the 1980 Games in Moscow in protest at the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan.

But Colin Moynihan – now BOA chairman Lord Moynihan – defied Margaret Thatcher's calls for British athletes to stay at home and won a silver medal as cox of the men's eight rowing team.

Former Olympic rowing champion Matthew Pinsent has already criticised the Chinese authorities over the training methods used on children, which he regarded as tantamount to abuse.

Young gymnasts told him they were repeatedly beaten during training sessions.

Mr Clegg confirmed that such criticisms would be banned under the team's code of conduct, which will be in force from when athletes are selected in July, until the end of the Games on August 24.

Mr Clegg said: “During the period of the contract, that sort of action would be in dispute with the team-member agreement.

“There are all sorts of sanctions that I can apply. I had to send a team member home in Sydney because they breached our sponsorship agreement and that is the first time it happened.

“I have to act in the interest of the whole British team, not one individual. No athlete is above being part of the team.

“There is a requirement on team members to sign the agreement. If athletes step out of line, action will have to be taken.”

Darren Campbell, Olympic relay gold winner at the 2004 Games in Athens, said the BOA's move would “heap extra pressure on athletes”. But he added: “We are there to represent our country in sporting terms, just as our Army do when they go off to war. It is not supposed to be about politics.”

The BOA is taking a far more stringent stance than authorities in other countries. Australian Olympic Committee president John Coates said: “What we will be saying to the athletes is that it's best to concentrate on your competitions.

“But they're entitled to have their opinions and express them. They're free to speak.”

Jouko Purontakanen, secretary general of the Finnish Olympic Committee, said: “We will not be issuing instructions on the matter. The freedom of expression is a basic right that cannot be limited.

“But the starting point is that we will go to Beijing to compete, not to talk politics.”

Political gestures have been made at previous Olympics, most famously in Mexico City in 1968 when black American 200m champion Tommie Smith and bronze medallist John Carlos raised their fists in a black power salute.

Both were suspended from the US Olympic team and barred from the Olympic village.

Forty years on, British athletes face similar sanctions if they highlight the abuse of human rights in China.

Last night Edward McMillan-Scott, Conservative MEP and the European Parliament vice-president, predicted a public outcry over the BOA's move.

He said: “Foreign Secretary David Miliband is off to China soon. But before he gets on the plane, he and the rest of the Government should tell the BOA to take this clause out of the agreement.”

Potentially the contract means that a British athlete who witnesses someone being mistreated on the way to a stadium is forbidden from even speaking to their colleagues about it.

Competitors emailing home or writing blogs will also have to exercise self-censorship – or face having their Olympic dreams ruined.

Lord Alton said: “It is extraordinary to bar athletes from expressing an opinion about China's human-rights record. About the only justification for participating in the Beijing Games is that it offers an opportunity to encourage more awareness about human rights.

“Imposing compulsory vows of silence is an affront to our athletes, and in China it will be viewed as acquiescence.

“Each year 8,000 executions take place in China, political and religious opinion is repressed, journalists are jailed and the internet and overseas broadcasts are heavily censored.

“For our athletes to be told that they may not make any comment makes a mockery of our own country's belief in free speech.”
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SBL
02-10-2008, 01:49 AM
Personally, I'd prefer the Olympics not be used as a political soapbox. The Brits are guests of the Chinese.

BloodyTalon
02-10-2008, 01:58 AM
Personally, I'd prefer the Olympics not be used as a political soapbox. The Brits are guests of the Chinese.
Me too, but flat out silencing the players goes too far in my opinion. If a medalist wants to use his 15 minutes of fame to rant off, they should go ahead and then let the public decide whether anything they said was warranted of if the athlete was just being a pompous douche.

Also, the contract only bans criticism of the Chinese government and nothing else. That means that an athlete can theoretically speak out on a number of issues (global warming, criticizing <insert country here>, <insert politician here>-bashing, etc.) but China is off-limits. Either they go all the way and ban political speech in general, or allow the athletes to speak their mind. But bending over backwards just for China is wrong.

SBL
02-10-2008, 02:06 AM
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. I wouldn't want any of our guys going over there and taking (what I consider) a cheap shot, regardless of how bad things are. I'm sure most people here will disagree with me, but I don't consider the games to be the appropriate forum, especially since they're supposed to be about unity and good-natured competition and all that kumbaya stuff.

BugHunt
02-10-2008, 07:40 AM
Yup no politics in the olympics and atheletes should never speak out. Those atheletes are there to protect freedom of speech not enjoy it! Right? ;)

Im sure the hundreds of thousands of displaced chinese poor feel the same.


http://www.andrewcusack.com/cardmah2.jpg


At least Charles has some integrity.

SBL
02-10-2008, 08:08 AM
Yup no politics in the olympics and atheletes should never speak out. Those atheletes are there to protect freedom of speech not enjoy it! Right? ;)

Im sure the hundreds of thousands of displaced chinese poor feel the same.

At least Charles has some integrity.

You're right. Hitler would have been unseated and WWII avoided if only someone had been allowed to speak out.




:roll:p-)

BugHunt
02-10-2008, 09:00 AM
You're right. Hitler would have been unseated and WWII avoided if only someone had been allowed to speak out.




:roll:p-)


No your right!

We should all "get along" smile and shake hands with them - no real need to be "awkward" with Hitler in 1936....

Doesnt matter what they done how many countries theyve happened to have invaded.... however many theyve murdered, genocided, made suffer, or how many political prisioners they have....

I hear Mugabe and Ossama are both going to be bidding for 2016 olympics - thats if the remaining Hutu genociders dont get in first....:roll:


Wouldnt the world would be a much "tider" place if we all signed forms forbiding our freedom of speech (even on huge evil).

Matters not however many have died to uphold those freedoms IF there signed away in interests of "convenience" and "politness".


We should all have secret police willing and able to hack your net connections the moment you post on threads like this...

SBL
02-10-2008, 11:08 AM
No your right!

We should all "get along" smile and shake hands with them - no real need to be "awkward" with Hitler in 1936....

Doesnt matter what they done how many countries theyve happened to have invaded.... however many theyve murdered, genocided, made suffer, or how many political prisioners they have....

I hear Mugabe and Ossama are both going to be bidding for 2016 olympics - thats if the remaining Hutu genociders dont get in first....:roll:


Wouldnt the world would be a much "tider" place if we all signed forms forbiding our freedom of speech (even on huge evil).

Matters not however many have died to uphold those freedoms IF there signed away in interests of "convenience" and "politness".


We should all have secret police willing and able to hack your net connections the moment you post on threads like this...

Well, when the Chinese invade, I'll eat my words. But until then I'm going to politely disagree. Not everything has to be political.

dava
02-10-2008, 11:39 AM
forbiding our freedom of speech

They wont be shot if they speak out loud now will they?
If your country really cares about the appaling human rights violations in China, then just boycott it and send no athletes, that should send a strong message.
But i dont think no athlete is that altruistic after all..

dava
02-10-2008, 11:46 AM
Doesnt matter what they done how many countries theyve happened to have invaded.... however many theyve murdered, genocided, made suffer, or how many political prisioners they have....

I hear Mugabe and Ossama are both going to be bidding for 2016 olympics - thats if the remaining Hutu genociders dont get in first...

If you are so nice to throw China in the same basket as Zimbabwe and what country Osama may be from. Then i ll happily add USA to that list.

Kilgor
02-10-2008, 02:46 PM
I hear Mugabe and Ossama are both going to be bidding for 2016 olympics - thats if the remaining Hutu genociders dont get in first....:roll:




There all too busy on the UN human rights council. I heard north Korea puts on a hell of a show, we should give it to them.

oldsoak
02-10-2008, 04:36 PM
[QUOTE=SnakeBiteLeader;3037341]Personally, I'd prefer the Olympics not be used as a political soapbox.

Yes, agreed. I thought we were wrong to kick off about the Olympics after the Russian invasion of Afghanistan - the Olympics should be about the individual not the state. If we held the Olympics and had the Arab athletes kicked off the Olympics because of Afghanistan and Iraq, how would we see that ?

mocking_loudly_died
02-10-2008, 04:37 PM
F*ck the Olympics, bunch of nobbers running around like a ****, having a pointless swim, throwing a disc..... cor blimey bare witness to a sh*tload of mediocre useless feats on the telly!

Cricket and AFL are also sh*t (just throwing that out there).

SBL
02-10-2008, 05:25 PM
F*ck the Olympics, bunch of nobbers running around like a ****, having a pointless swim, throwing a disc..... cor blimey bare witness to a sh*tload of mediocre useless feats on the telly!

Cricket and AFL are also sh*t (just throwing that out there).

What an outrageous thing to say. Truely, truely, truley outrageous.

tonyant9999
02-10-2008, 06:58 PM
F*ck the Olympics, bunch of nobbers running around like a ****, having a pointless swim, throwing a disc..... cor blimey bare witness to a sh*tload of mediocre useless feats on the telly!

Cricket and AFL are also sh*t (just throwing that out there).

moron, keep your worthless opinion to yourself if you're just going to criticise hard work and perserverance, unless that is you've already got a cabinet full of medals from the olympics.

This however is typical of the daily mail taking things too far

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7237599.stm

The position is slightly clearer here.

Kilgor
02-10-2008, 07:43 PM
Many it seems are a stranger to Mocking's wonderful posts.

vinny_121_ND
02-10-2008, 08:22 PM
I wonder if the media are allowed to wander off into the outer regions of beijing.

California Joe
02-10-2008, 08:33 PM
Hahahaha simmah don n00b. Mocking rules.

If China is so heinous maybe the greedy twats that run the Olympics shouldn't have awarded them the games. Oh wait, that's logical. But then again the athletes are there to compete, not be gobby media attention whores. The world doesn't need to hear the fascinating political insights of some dink that spent the last 12 years swimming back and forth in a pool or playing badminton.

digrar
02-10-2008, 09:06 PM
I'm with you CJ, I have very little interest in what athletes, musicians, actors or other celebrities have to say about world events.
The monkey dances and entertains, but it's the organ grinder who is running the show, I'd rather hear what he has to say about things.

mocking_loudly_died
02-10-2008, 09:09 PM
Internets serious business.

California Joe
02-10-2008, 09:11 PM
I don't mean to say that they aren't impressive people in their respective sports but that has f*ckall to do with their political acumen or any other opinion they wish to share because they're so important.

Macs.
02-10-2008, 09:20 PM
So if I understood this right... We are allowed to give the "nazi salute" in China now ?

Good news !

oldsoak
02-11-2008, 08:56 AM
So if I understood this right... We are allowed to give the "nazi salute" in China now ?

Good news !

- they must be more free than Germany then :-P

Nephilim
02-11-2008, 09:07 AM
those games should simply be boycottet just because of chinas arrogant attitude..

BugHunt
02-11-2008, 09:44 AM
I'm with you CJ, I have very little interest in what athletes, musicians, actors or other celebrities have to say about world events.
The monkey dances and entertains, but it's the organ grinder who is running the show, I'd rather hear what he has to say about things.


I don't mean to say that they aren't impressive people in their respective sports but that has f*ckall to do with their political acumen or any other opinion they wish to share because they're so important.

Its the principle - not the precise segment of population voicing there opinion.


Ill bet 99% of athletes wouldnt want the media circus/hassel or want to rock the boat and speak out. Who in there right minds WOULD?

The point is should we be pre-emptively muzzling them from being able to give there opinions?

Surely theres enough "soft pressure" and fear of consequences stopping any1 talking about repression or human rights violations they might witness without having to bring legal forms into play...



These arent soldiers or operatives being muzzled for "national security" or OPSEC which can stop soldiers being endangered.......pre-emptively muzzling a sport "star" makes who safer exactly?



Freedom of speech - no you cant have it - it might make our rich powerful repressive neighbours angry!

oldsoak
02-11-2008, 10:57 AM
Do we want the Olympic games to be fronts for political agendas ( athletes giving black power salutes, CND flags, gay whales against the bomb, etc ) or a purely a means of recognising individual achievement in an athlectic field ?

vinny_121_ND
02-11-2008, 11:12 AM
I don't think the athletes would speak out against human rights abuses. They have enough pressure trying just to win the gold medal as it is. And how can China possibly stop athletes from speaking out if they can't speak french, russian, or arabic for example? Athletes will definitely complain about the air pollution, ... but hey, it's the number 1 industrial country in the world. Don't like it, don't go.

BugHunt
02-11-2008, 11:19 AM
Do we want the Olympic games to be fronts for political agendas ( athletes giving black power salutes, CND flags, gay whales against the bomb, etc ) or a purely a means of recognising individual achievement in an athlectic field ?

So you think your opinions need to be enforced by legal documents?


As ive pointed out - 99% heck probably 100% of them are just going to do there thing and leave.

What im against is the principle of muzzling free citizens to get along with a large powerful repressive regieme.


But then again i think it was a mistake for our football team to give the nazi salutes, indeed the world to lend legitimacy to Hilter with the 1936 olympics and for the British cricket team to want to tour Zimbabwe at that time.

Obviously puts me strictly in the looney fringe around here.....

BugHunt
02-11-2008, 11:27 AM
Athletes will definitely complain about the air pollution, ... but hey, it's the number 1 industrial country in the world. Don't like it, don't go.


LOL just on that one line :D


So a serious comeptitive athlete whos spent years or decades training who, might, pickup serious health problems from competing in such a polluted enrviroment has no grounds of complaint?

Sorry son you either pickup a chance of lung cancer or forgoe a chance of gold.


Bearing in mind that they arent going to be able to find out until theyve got there or knowing there mindset forced themselves to actually compete whether its actually going to effect them ;)

Nah fuk you, you knew the score before you came :roll:


How about the Chinese government put the longdistance aerobic events out in the country side? Nah too much national pride at stake...


Dont worry im sure theyll be some legal form and clause stopping any1 speaking out about health issues as well....

oldsoak
02-11-2008, 11:52 AM
So you think your opinions need to be enforced by legal documents?


As ive pointed out - 99% heck probably 100% of them are just going to do there thing and leave.

What im against is the principle of muzzling free citizens to get along with a large powerful repressive regieme.


But then again i think it was a mistake for our football team to give the nazi salutes, indeed the world to lend legitimacy to Hilter with the 1936 olympics and for the British cricket team to want to tour Zimbabwe at that time.

Obviously puts me strictly in the looney fringe around here.....

- thats your words not mine.
The problem exists because the Olympics have become political events - it is a place where nations compete to show their greatness, not where an individual goes to compete with others. In that respect, do we want the political perception of the UK by the Chinese to be affected by some bloke with little idea of diplomacy ? Our freedoms are not for us to take everywhere and to hell with the consequences.
The PRC might find it amusing that the descendants of gun boat diplomacy and opium smuggling have such a care for human rights and they are pretty much aware of it at grass roots level. I'd suggest the government move is indicative of the arrogance of both government and athletes. We cry out "when in rome" when we see some chap with a turban discuss sharia law, so lets do to others what we'd like them to do to us.

BugHunt
02-11-2008, 12:03 PM
Sizeable proportion of my DNA is chinese - so theres no need to lecture me on British history over there. Or what they find "amusing" or not.


Explain to me how our nazi footy/olympic teams or cricket (for zimbabwe) as examples differ from the chinese olympics. Except i suppose the footballers just shut up and did what they were told....no need to legally threaten them pre-emptively.




Again ill state - freedom of speech - if its too mean anything it means sometimes (not all the time ill agree) individuals can choose to upset those in power.

Particularly those in repressive and powerful regimes. IE its a freedom to be "awkward" at times. To go against the establishments wishes.


Olympics, hell international sporting events, always have been about national "glory" greatness and general chest beating..... theres always been a (un?) healthy dose of politics in there.

SBL
02-11-2008, 12:10 PM
Sizeable proportion of my DNA is chinese - so theres no need to lecture me on British history over there. Or what they find "amusing" or not.

Again ill state - freedom of speech - if its too mean anything it means sometimes individuals can upset those in power.

Particularly those in repressive and powerful regiemes.

Well, there's something to be said about discretion being the better part of valor. Or, in this case, substitute valor for freedom of speech. There are ways of getting one's point across, or displaying your feelings, without being the obnoxious boor that 'they' expect you to be.
Besides, I don't imagine any of the UK's athletes feel so strongly about it that they can't wait until after the Olympics to comment on it.

BugHunt
02-11-2008, 12:20 PM
Well, there's something to be said about discretion being the better part of valor. Or, in this case, substitute valor for freedom of speech. There are ways of getting one's point across, or displaying your feelings, without being the obnoxious boor that 'they' expect you to be.
Besides, I don't imagine any of the UK's athletes feel so strongly about it that they can't wait until after the Olympics to comment on it.


Yes and if they DID feel differently - BOOOM!

Lookky lookky what you signed sonny ;)



Ill say again Freedom of speech - people have died to defend it and yet were busy muzzling participants in of all things a sporting event.... No life and death decisions apparent. Merely we dont wish to upset a powerful repressive regieme.


Ill bet these guys were told "just do this little thing - no1 will be hurt. Its all about the sport anyhow" -

http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/03/magazine_enl_1064218142/img/1.jpg

oldsoak
02-11-2008, 12:30 PM
" Sizeable proportion of my DNA is chinese - so theres no need to lecture me on British history over there. Or what they find "amusing" or not."

I'm glad you understand why instructing them on human rights needs to wait until we've set the past right with them - and our own house in order. We are NOT seen as harbingers of light and goodness out there, nor will we be for a wee while.

"Explain to me how our nazi footy/olympic teams or cricket (for zimbabwe) as examples differ from the chinese olympics. Except i suppose the footballers just shut up and did what they were told....no need to legally threaten them pre-emptively."

I disagree with political and racist gestures at any sports meet. I suspect we're talking about players with lucrative contracts vs sponsored individuals. - and they were briefed on keeping their gobs shut. Places like Zimbabwe are far more likely to take a violent disapproval than the PRC, with a more blatant disregard for diplomatic niceties than the PRC. It would concentrate my mind wonderfully in those circumstances.
Also - do we know why UK govt asked this ? some secret deal going on maybe ?

"Again ill state - freedom of speech - if its too mean anything it means sometimes (not all the time ill agree) individuals can choose to upset those in power. "

Freedom of speech is not freedom to create an international incident or upset a host. While our athletes are in the PRC, they have to understand that they are guests, and their behaviour is of account. We dont want their behaviour reducing our freedom of movement in any behind-the-scenes diplomacy that might be going on. They can say what they want out of country or back in blighty.


"Particularly those in repressive and powerful regimes.


Olympics always have been about national "glory" greatness and general chest beating..... theres always been a element of politics in there."

- maybe it needs to come out of there and then there would be no need for this discussion.

SBL
02-11-2008, 12:59 PM
Ill bet these guys were told "just do this little thing - no1 will be hurt. Its all about the sport anyhow" -

http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/03/magazine_enl_1064218142/img/1.jpg

If you can name one person who was hurt as a DIRECT result of the ol' salute in '36, I'll change my opinion. Or, if you can map out how the war would've been avoided or how Hitler's regime would've been toppled had the team resisted, I'll change my stance.
The fact is, both the salute and the muzzle-order are measures taken for the sake of protocol to avoid unnecessary problems. Like CJ said, why would I want some yokel who spends all day in the pool to dictate foreign policy for me?

California Joe
02-11-2008, 01:16 PM
Bug, what you should be arguing is why the Olympics were awarded to China in the first place.

But since they were, the Brits are simply trying to avoid some embarassing political incident because some gobby coxswain on the rowing team decides that now is the time to announce to the world his feelings about the air quality index in Hong Kong or some sh*t.

It's not an unreasonable request. The order should read..."While you're at the Olympics, STFU. Nobody cares what you think. Even if you win a medal nobody will remember you in 2 months, you are not the Prime Minister."

MG 3
02-11-2008, 01:20 PM
Danm! The olympics havent even started yet and China has allready won.

gregoralex
02-12-2008, 07:24 AM
The Chinese governments,they always win...

gregoralex
02-12-2008, 07:26 AM
before being overthrown oneday