THE CANADIAN ARMY

[theGHOST]

...........what the fuk happened to Canada's military. We once had a great military, probaly 1 of the best in the world. What the fuk happened, doesnt it piss u off my fEllow CAnadians.

juss soo damn frustrating, Canada had once had 120,000 troops serving in peace keeping missions during the 50's, and today we only have an army of 68,000 i believe.

O CANADA, wheree have U GONE

[Knave]

There were one million Canadians in uniform at the end of the Second World War. Now, as MacKenzie put it in a recent luncheon, you could fit our entire military into Madison Square Gardens and still have 4,000 seats left over.

[dez000]

We (Belgium) had 100.000 troops in the late 80's but now we only have 40.000 troops, i think thats sad...

Stupid politicans :bash:

[RealUltimatePower]

68 000 I wish! The entire regular force is 57 000 and that is all three elements combined. The strength (or lack thereof) of the army is 19 500 regular troops and 15 500 reserve. NOW that is sad. Go to www.forces.ca to find out first hand.

Number one problem is that the Liberal government has messed us up for money. And they even downsized the military from 80 000 back in the Trudeau years. This led to bad moral and more than what they intended left.

Also as much as Canadians say they support the military few have the courage or sense of duty to join up. I talk to people today and sure most say they are proud of me for doing this job but hardly any have an idea of what we do or any want to find out for themselves. It seems we're willing to live in a free and safe country but not to defend it. I just hope we don't learn the hard way that freedom isn't free, that it has a price to be paid by the blood of patriots and tyrants.

[96B]

And I thought my military was too small... ;)

[theGHOST]

When the time comes to defend ourselves, Canada will be in a panic. Its a shame, what has happened to us over the years.

[REMOV]

When the time comes to defend ourselves, Canada will be in a panic. Its a shame, what has happened to us over the years.Ekhm... I've got only one question: who is threatening Canadians so much nowadays? Americans (AFAIK United States tried in 1812 capture Canada but failed), Inuits, Eskimos, Russians or maybe Martians? ;)

[theGHOST]

DEFENDING ourselves doesnt nessicerly mean, that som body is invading us stupid. Dont be soo naive, look wuts happening around the world today.

[cut]

regime change?

[Schuster]

Our PM is retiring sometime within the next year :D :D :D

[Knave]

Also as much as Canadians say they support the military few have the courage or sense of duty to join up. I talk to people today and sure most say they are proud of me for doing this job but hardly any have an idea of what we do or any want to find out for themselves. It seems we're willing to live in a free and safe country but not to defend it. I just hope we don't learn the hard way that freedom isn't free, that it has a price to be paid by the blood of patriots and tyrants.

Dead on the money.

Alas, Canada's military is facing a similar lack of quality recruits, much like the US Army was after Vietnam. It's not encouraged for young folks to consider a military career - most high schools don't carry information on the Forces, and don't think to invite the Forces to job fairs and the like.

There may be other reasons why recruiting is hitting a slump... I certainly am no expert on it.

As for taking freedom for granted.... true, many Canadians do. Fighting wars was something their grandfathers and great-grandfathers did, not them. The Government knows that the general public often tend to forget about our servicemen and women.... that's why they've managed to get away with cuts and other such shinanegans for as long as they have - Canadians don't seem to care that much. Now, that's sad.

[theGHOST]

REMOV, i see u from Poland............dunt be questioning wut we saying bout Canada cuz Canada can invade Poland in a flash soo shut the **** up..............AHAHAHAHA

[koster]

theGHOST, stop offending people, and grow the f*** up..........little bastard.........man, people like you piss me off....

[theGHOST]

stfu up fagget, u prolly sum Pollack too. Ppl like that take **** too seriously piss u me off. U lil FuK, soo stfu and go whack off or something u bitch. Go touch ur father.

bitch shut u fukkin mouth aiight.

[koster]

so what if im a Polak ? wtf is your point?
btw, its faggot, not fagget, learn to spell, kid..........and dude, I think you mestaken this forum with a CS one....

[martinexsquaddie]

aha
The British Amys have a major training Base in Canada Our Chance to have another Crack at Quebec teach them for not accepting Our Quebec day celebrations :lol: rofl rofl rofl rofl

[Seraphim]

I think Ghost is our new doggonit.

[martinexsquaddie]

suggest we change his nick to
SHUTUP THE GHOST

[REMOV]

REMOV, i see u from Poland............dunt be questioning wut we saying bout Canada cuz Canada can invade Poland in a flash soo shut the f*** up..............AHAHAHAHAHmm... let's check the facts. Polish Army - 132 500 soldiers, Canadian Army - ca. 60 000. MBTs - Poland (Leopard 2 - 60, PT-91 - 230, T-72 650) over 900, Canada Leopards C2 (1A5) hmm... 112. No tracked IFVs at all by Canadians side but quite good wheeled APC, no marines or airborne formations. But, Canada have better and more planes (CF-18 vs. MiG-29s) than Poland. Poland, on the other hand, has got quite good AA system and most important - Poles will be defended their homeland. So, tell me once again how Canada can invade Poland in a flash? How come? ;)

[RealUltimatePower]

He's just being stupid Canada and Poland are allies now!

[REMOV]

He's just being stupid Canada and Poland are allies now!Stay cool, I've just making fun of hypotetical situation (i.e. Canadian-Polish War). And yes, I know, that we're allies now (both NATO members) and if necessary Polish forces will defend Ottawa, Vancouver or Iqaluit... humming quietly: "Blame Canada, blame Canada, it seems that everythings gone wrong since Canada came along, blame Canada, blame Canada..." [South Park: Bigger, Longer & Uncut] ;)

[Vance]

Shutup, the US can invade both Canada and Poland at the same time!

:D

[theGHOST]

Koster u fukking idiot, u telling me to spell when u spelt mistaken wit an E.

bitch

n poland styll sucks, what DOES POLAND do for the world............nothin ahahaha

[Dmitri]

What does Canada do for the world??? You sound like you froze your brains off... rofl And Koster might have spelled one word wrong, you got every other one.. :bash:

[theGHOST]

.........bitch dunt be saying CAnada dunt do ****. TeLL me wut country your from.......then lets see wut u got to say.

soo shut ya fukkin mouth n go do sum history........aiight

idiot..............

obviously im typin tha words like dis, u make it sound i like cant SpELL u fukking tard, called sLANG.

[REMOV]

what DOES POLAND do for the worldHmm... in whole 1036 years of Poland history? Ask what Poland doesn't do for the world, since list of things Poles do is endless. By the way, some people said that Canada (to be precise coast of Labrador) was discovered by some Pole named Johannes Scolvus, so try to be nice for your country discoverer fellow countryman ;)

Sometime in the years 1472-6, a joint Danish-Portuguese expedition is believed by many to have sailed Westward. Joao Vaz Córte-Real was the Portuguese partner working with Dederik Pining, Hans Pothurst, and the Polish Pilot Johannes Scolvus. Probably they explored the coast of Labrador, and Newfoundland, but failed to locate a Northwest Passage to China. Source: http://www.grazian-archive.com/History/P02_C05_.htm, http://www.nlc-bnc.ca/2/16/h16-4215-e.html

And last but not least - Poland gives to the world one of most tasty and yummy poison... the Polish vodka: "The three most astonishing things in the past half-century have been the blues, cubism and Polish vodka..." [Pablo Picasso]
Skaal!

[theGHOST]

Hey bitch, u tellin me that stuff about poLAND

but........Canada fukking runs poland, bitch u fukking made ZIPPERS For god sakes, Telephones, iNSULIN and **** LOAD OF CRAP your country hasnt done............

YA'LL haVENT done N E THINGGGGG tHats USEFUL TO US.

[MEGR]

In WW2 the Polish (although poorly armed) fought the German Blitzkrieg with tons of courage and determination. With better weapons today, I wouldnt be suprised if Poland gave the Canadians a hell of a fight. By the way.. I'm not Polish and havent even been to Poland.

[REMOV]

In WW2 the Polish (although poorly armed) fought the German Blitzkrieg with tons of courage and determination.... and Poles were fought lonely with Germany and Soviet Union 35 days (1 September 1939 - 5 October 1939). Compare to France, Belgium, the Netherlands (with British help - BEF) fought with Germans - 43 days (10 May 1940 - 22 July 1940).

And unfortunately the opinion of "poorly armed" Polish units it's a myth (attack with sabres on German tanks is also myth). Polish Army uses comparable equipment (sure - the Germans have got a little more and modern aircrafts, tanks (or tankettes to be precise Pzkfw I and II were very light tanks) and artillery but it wasn't so important) but the truth is - they had better doctrine, manoeuvre tactic, flexible units and - the most important - better communications. And second thing - none got catch them in crossfire (17 September 1939 Russian Army also invades Poland), although France and Britain promised to do that. Bad luck! :(


With better weapons today, I wouldnt be suprised if Poland gave the Canadians a hell of a fight.Hey, but Poland doesn't want to fight with Canada. What for?!

...besides - guarding hundreds of Canadian prisoners of war camps will fast ruins Polish national budget ;)

[Dmitri]

soo shut ya fukkin mouth n go do sum history
well, to start from i'm russian, so you might not even want to look at the history books ;) so just shut your big cockholster before you get in fight with everybody on this board...

obviously im typin tha words like dis, u make it sound i like cant SpELL u fukking tard, called sLANG.
rofl your "slang" sounds like ****, besides that you can't even wright a simple sentence correctly... i believe you need to finish or go again to high school before you try to hurt others' eyes with your crap any more. :slap:

[Dmitri]

soo shut ya fukkin mouth n go do sum history
well, to start from i'm russian, so you might not even want to look at the history books ;) so just shut your big cockholster before you get in fight with everybody on this board...

obviously im typin tha words like dis, u make it sound i like cant SpELL u fukking tard, called sLANG.
rofl your "slang" sounds like ****, besides that you can't even wright a simple sentence correctly... i believe you need to finish or go again to high school before you try to hurt others' eyes with your crap any more. :slap:

[96B]

My money is on Poland... we can let them borrow some F-22s :lol:

Keep it civilized guys :hug:

[Schuster]

The Ghost is one of those types that gives us canadians a bad name. who cares about fighting poland. you should be focusing on how UN forces can fight North Korea. :bash: :hug:

[to free the oppressed]

If canada and Poland did go to war i think America would support Poland.

[theGHOST]

FiRST of all, yall make it sound like i the bad guy, i aint the one that said that **** about eskimo's. I fukking started this POST OriginALLY about CAnada's ARmy.

soo yall can shut the hell up.

An the US would not support Poland, n the Russian can shut his fukking mouth seeing how russia is full of whores.

dumbasses, i swear...............

[to free the oppressed]

Poland can kick the crap out of canada!And Russia might even help Poland.

[theGHOST]

omg.........shut the fuk up, Poland cant kick Canada's ass...........stop saying Poland's army is soo strong. If they were soo strong n big why werent they Iraq in large numbers. Wut about Afghanistan didnt see them in large numbers, r they goign to the Congo, wut about Liberia. Idiots, Canada's army is smaller n at least we doing stuff wit our army.

[to free the oppressed]

I don't see canada's army in Iraq or in Afghanistan.I see Polish Troops in Iraq and Afghanistan.so stop talking S*** about Poland.And besides canada is not even a real country!

[Ratamacue]

Canada was in Afghanistan, but not in Iraq.

I don't know wyh you guys are off on this, but I think that you guys all better shut the hell up before the thread gets locked. Especially you, Ghost.

[stuntman]

There is only one military in the world that can defeat all the world military's! Its the communist military of all mighty Cuba.. Check out the pro pixs.
see how effective they are with there stick candle grenades http://cubapolidata.com/images/cuban-military-students.jpg
See how they are masters of the elements (What military can walk on water??)http://cubapolidata.com/images/cuban-border-police.jpg
Hi tech camo and command and control unmatched even by my beloved US Space command!http://cubapolidata.com/images/capt.1031696208.jpg
Who needs those inadequate ifv or lav when you have Cuba's un match in mobility special purpose horses?http://cubapolidata.com/images/capt3.jpg
More bad ass then German marines or USMC or Royal Marines!
http://cubapolidata.com/images/capt1.jpg
Experts in trench warfare..http://cubapolidata.com/images/far-sol-gas.jpg
Please not to mention the best snipers. I take this guyhttp://cubapolidata.com/images/far_camo_soldier.jpg Over this guy
http://www.army.dnd.ca/lf/equip/hab/images/Photos/9011.jpg
And last but not least there expert Intel! http://cubapolidata.com/images/sol-comp.jpg
Weep em man it's Cuba!

[Maverick77]

Ghost and Remov do you have any ****in idea how stupid it is to sit on the internet and argue about whos countries military would win in a war.

Any ****in idea at all?

[Maverick77]

Theres a lot more to it than your ****in internet statistics.

[TheManofDisaster]

THE GHOST IS GAY :o :roll: :bash: :petting: woot :hug: rofl :backhand: :lol: :D

[Knave]

http://www.oss.wroc.pl/biuletyn/libtech/polish/ebib14/poland.jpg

[Ratamacue]

:cantbeli:

[Knave]

Yeah, it's a little big ;)

[to free the oppressed]

Knave that poster is cool.Where did you get that?

[ESCOBAR]

OMG, NOT A REAL COUNTRY........U FUKKING FAGGET. That's why Canada is richer then your sorry ass, smarter n safer then u fukking gay ass country. Shut the **** up about Canada not being a real country, u fukking idiot.

CANADA IS STYLL IN AFGHANISTAN they sent more troops then your country did n yall have a bigger miltary. We prolly sent one of the most next to the U.S.

fukkin faggot............seriously..........dunt even kno why u SaYing this

[ESCOBAR]

First to Fight...........................................................................................................................FIRST TO LOSE

[Apogee]

http://carcino.gen.nz/images/image.php/463c5922/arguing.jpg

[Seiyuuki]

rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl

[Andyman]

well to tell you the honest truth i think that the main reason the Canadian military is so understaffed is because the recruiters are a joke. I have been trying to join the reserves for almost 2 years. First I plyed phone tag with them for a while then i went to the Canadian Forces Recruiting Centre in Toronto and they told me "Oh sorry the reservists dont do a good job updating their info packets and that some regiments have to go through ottawa and some have to go through Toronto so they therefore have no idea what the other is doing. I Applied to Oshawa then they got too frustrating so i left and reapplied in Toronto to the 7th Toronto artillery regiment and they sounded all enthousiatic about me joining but hey I was told that i could get in for the BMQ (basic military qualification) this summer but now they changed recruiters (without informing me) :cantbeli: and apparently were unable to process my file fast enough for me to go for my testing. I applied in March they had 4 months to do that. Then they call me around june 15 and tell me that i can start in the fall but i have to do my test on June 24 so i call them back that same day and leave them a message stating that i would be available to come in on June 24 but i would need to know what i needed to bring and what time i had to be there and where i had to go specifically. Well guess what! i left them a message every day until june 24 and noone called me back so i didnt even do my test. I'm still waiting for a response and have already began writing a letter of complaint for the defence minister and Jean Chretien himself. To top it all off I want to go to the Royal Military College in 2004 but my faith in the Canadian military is dwindling. :fork:

[Seraphim]

Escobar and Ghost need to calm down. Unless you want to be banned, keep it up.

[Skaman]

I cannot believe what I am reading, do ANY of you know anything of what you are talking about? Hopefully I can save this mess "ghost" has created for the canadain image. I for one know formost the stats of the canadian army as I am an active member .It is very naive to judge the quality or strength soley on numbers, anyone who does so is a fool. While Canada does have a small military, we cannon support nor do we require one. Our population for one is only 30 million. Canadains as many know are passive, peacefull, and well sought after negiotiators. Our military however, does not have the same 'logo'. we are not tree huggers, we are warriors, SOLDIERS, not peace keepers. we are not war mongers, nor do we overy spend unecessary funds on rediclious notions of invasion.... we do our part and we are known for it.

our snipers, some of the best in the world. for three years i believe have scored 1st at american shooting competitions. performed with valour and courage alongside many other canadians in afghanistan. We served and lost troops in the former yugoslavia including the medak pocket. Kuwait, croatia, somalia, rwanda, cyprus, korea...the list goes on. Our training is rigirious and difficult, slection process is methotical. Canada accepts the best of the best. We accept nothing but 100 percent. Our discipline is unmatched...FF is out of the question, it is not "friendly", it is STUPIDITY. You can go on and on, yet ff and itchy trigger fingers and lack of discipline go hand in hand. Canadains dont tolerate it. period.
WE do our part like the rest of the world.
our equipment is lacking in some areas yet unmatched in others.
we have lav 3's l2's, griffons, c7's, destroyers, f 18's, javelin. Everything a basic capable military force requires. Its not fancy kit that makes the soldier its his traning and discipline. Thats where it all comes down to.

The idea of poland/canadian war is inconciveable. Neither country would defeat nor invade the other.
But for "fun" lets say canada did get invaded, no nation could ever occupy canada. 1.canada is far too large. 2. guerilla warfare would be unmatched 3. canadians know the terrain far too well.

I trained with the polish forces in op. prototype resposne in cfb suffield doing NBC live agent training. great guys.

I urge people to think beofe they speak and research.
Canada is a force to be reckoned with, please dismiss any idea by"ghost"

thanks, if any info is incorract, please correct me

[Andyman]

its not the size of your military that matters its how you use it. :bash:

I'm sure that everyone hears that from their girlfriend once in a while. Dont worry ladies im sure its cold where ever you are. :cantbeli:

[to free the oppressed]

escobar listen up i could give a rat's A$$ about canada.I thank cananda for sending troops to Afghanistan.But,Poland i stand up for because i find Poland to be a better friend than canada.And i am from USA so don't call my country gay.America sent more troops than canada when Bush asked eleven countries to send troops to Afghanistan to fight the terrorists the only two countries where Britain and Russia some friend canada is.if canada was are friend they whould have sent troops than not later.

[martinexsquaddie]

:lol: not so much SPECIAL FORCES
more like SPECIAL NEEDS FORCES
gun go bang heliwopper no fly to good :o

[Seraphim]

Well Canada did sent in sniper teams and the JTF2 before the 3ppcli came. The 3ppcli would have came sooner but they didnt have the right transport planes to get them there. Also the Germans sent troops in aswell. I was reading in a magazine and the 3ppcli was in some operation...I think it was called Operation Wale Back, or something like that. They had the 10th Mountain Division with them and the journalist said that they werent too good of hikers as the Canadians but they could sure blow things up.

[Shadow]

You want a cool pic?
http://www.tomorrowsworld.org/files/magazines/sepoct2002/0209cover.jpg

[Schuster]

I love it. The german one is bigger.

[Midtown]

I think we all remember what happened the last two times Germany acted up :hug:

[Duke]

The Poles for years had to live down their Cavalry assault against German tanks during the Second World War. Hence, the Polish jokes, ie ice cube recipe, circular formations etc etc etc. Today, the field a very good armed forces.

[Knave]

I found this somewhere, and thought it was interesting;


Post WW2, Canada, along with several other countries, had the impression that global Communism was a ruthless, expansionist force. Talks started in 1948 between Canada, the US and Great Britain, which soon expanded to include several European countries, on some kind of a mutual defense treaty. In the end, in April, 1949, twelve nations signed the North Atlantic Treaty. They pledged mutual defense, but, at Canada’s insistence, they also pledged social and economic cooperation.

The signing of the treaty did not include the requirement for any troop deployments, thankfully, as Canada had few troops to deploy anywhere. The communist aggression into North Korea in June 1950, shocked the allies into action. An integrated military force under the command of Dwight Eisenhower was created. For the third time in less than forty years, Canadian troops crossed the Atlantic. The initial Canadian forces, both in Korea and Europe, were reservists. Canada had already let the regular army whither away to the levels of the 1930’s. NATO could not commit the force required to stop any communist invasion, so NATO adopted a “flexible response” strategy that envisioned using the forces in theatre to act as a “tripwire”, then engage with nuclear weapons before sending in follow on forces to mop up any communist survivors.

As an interesting aside, under the auspices and direction of Mackenzie King, Canada’s forces were ordered to become as intertwined with the Americans as possible. Mackenzie King meant this to include vehicles, weapons, aircraft, ships and so on. He did not necessarily mean the exact same equipment, but if and when troops would be deployed together, he wanted a seamless result. This lasted long enough to set up some assembly lines to make “Canadianized” American equipment, but then along came St. Laurent. St. Laurent would never be accused of being in love with the Americans. When armour was required for Europe, he bought the Centurion and the Ferret from Britain (thank goodness, US tanks at the time sucked), and vetoed the buying of US small arms.

By the late 1960’s NATO’s strategy had evolved to one of more troops and equipment in theatre, with less reliance on nuclear force. This was a direct result of the amazing improvement in nuclear capabilities the Soviet Union had achieved. This new policy, however, was much more expensive, and not one that fit into Canada’s spending priorities. It was during this time, that Pearson tried to use the treaty to address the need for improved social programs and economic and cultural protection against foreign, especially American influence. Thankfully, the Warsaw Pact invasion of Czechoslovakia in 1968 served as a reminder that the Cold War was not over.

Trudeau used the next period of détente, or reduced tensions, to drastically reduce the defense budget, and reduce the size of the Armed Forces. Trudeau also encouraged nuclear and conventional arms control, and to reorient its defense priorities away from NATO, and toward Canadian sovereignty. Mulroney, elected in 1984, attempted in 1987 to try and start a rebuild of the Canadian military, but the collapse of the Soviet Union halted the effort. 1991 brought substantial reductions to our Forces, and in 1992, it was announced that Canada would pull all of its ground and air forces out of Europe.

Trudeau unwittingly became one of the saviors of the armed forces. Unwitting, because, as he slashed, NATO members became alarmed. Under the threat of sanctions and the calling in of loans, Trudeau was forced to replace the aging (27 year old) Centurion tank, and the fighter fleet of CF-101 and CF-104’s. This shot in the arm greatly enhanced the morale of our forces.

Far from being the end for NATO, the end of the Cold War caused a transformation. NATO’s original role was to protect members against aggression. The new NATO broadened its responsibility, to what one might call member “security” rather than “protection”. NATO used its new found definition as a means to extend its influence into the Balkans, and to extend membership to new “friends” from the former Warsaw Pact.

What has Canada adopted for its role in the new NATO security? We have sent forces to the Balkans, but it has been under duress, not as an enthusiastic member of a coalition. The forces that Canada can send are still well trained but are lacking numbers, and proper equipment. Canada has decided that our role is now with the United Nations, and not with NATO. We will not pull out of NATO, as the ramifications are much too large. The Trudeau experience is enough to quench Chretien’s eagerness to pull us out.

What of the future? Well, it is here. Ottawa has ordered the tanks parked, along with the M-109’s. Drastic personnel cuts have left the Forces at less than 50,000 trained personnel. The infantry is losing it’s mortars, along with its anti-tank TOW platoons. Armour units are being slashed by one “sabre”(fighting) squadron each, out of two squadrons. The third “recce” squadron is being reduced in strength. Our Air Force has had to park one third of its CF-18 fleet.

It seems obvious that Canada is no longer willing to help the world by sending armed troops to keep the peace, it is much easier to let others do it, and contribute money to the UN.

The pride that our soldiers, sailors, and airmen have had in the past, the pride that Canadians have had in them, our international reputation of being well trained soldiers and peacekeepers is now just a memory. Something to look back on, and talk about when old soldiers gather for Remembrance Day services.

For those who continue to try and carry the torch, I wish you luck, but I have few hopes for the future. Successive liberal governments have torn the heart out our service personnel, while creating a huge bureaucracy. It is with a great deal of sadness that I say goodbye to the Canadian Armed Forces. I had a great time, serving my country. I will always cherish the memories.

[Ballistic]

.........bitch dunt be saying CAnada dunt do ****. TeLL me wut country your from.......then lets see wut u got to say.

soo shut ya fukkin mouth n go do sum history........aiight

idiot..............

obviously im typin tha words like dis, u make it sound i like cant SpELL u fukking tard, called sLANG.

I mean this in the nicest way possible. You sound like a bloody mong chop. :bash:

[Beowulf]

what's a mong chop?...just curious
-b

[duck]

Great idea to have a larger military in Canada just for the heck of it. I mean, with some planning it might indeed get huge, mean and threatening. You see, North Korea has a population roughly equal to Canada, but, hey, nobody messes with them. One million troops there, armed to their teeth. So what Canada needs is a similar draft system, 7 years mandatory service in the army and 11 years in the air force and navy. And with that many troops, you also need a huge navy and air force to transport them, say, to invade Poland. But be aware that the future canadian carriers might have trouble to get through the Kattegat sound on their way there, so better be exact on the measures.

[RealUltimatePower]

I am a current serving member of the Governor General's Foot Guards 33 Brigade group. SO I also know the numbers. Frankly Canadian troops are well trained. The only thing they lack is alot of combat experience, however that will change in Afghanistan perhaps. Our troops are known the world over for having a high level of professionalism.

But sadly numbers are a very large factor in determining the strength of a force. And Canada just does not have them. The present regular force strength is 19 500 and the reserves are 15 500. Now I always hear the "don't compare us to America with it's millions of soliders and marines, since they have 300 million ppl and we have 30 million ppl" so I won't compare us to the United States. I will compare us to Australia. The population of Australia is 26 million and the strenght of their army is 26000 troops. SO basically Canada's size isn't the problem, the problem is Canadians are either for the most part cowardly, or ignorant to the needs of defence and the world. Or maybe people are just lazy. You can decide that for yourself.

[RealUltimatePower]

Personally I think Canada just needs a reality check. Or at least the government and civilian populace does.

[Scrim]

Ballistic- you are way too kind.

[Salty Dog]

"What's going on here, what are you talking aboot?"

[Knave]

But sadly numbers are a very large factor in determining the strength of a force. And Canada just does not have them. The present regular force strength is 19 500 and the reserves are 15 500. Now I always hear the "don't compare us to America with it's millions of soliders and marines, since they have 300 million ppl and we have 30 million ppl" so I won't compare us to the United States. I will compare us to Australia. The population of Australia is 26 million and the strenght of their army is 26000 troops. SO basically Canada's size isn't the problem, the problem is Canadians are either for the most part cowardly, or ignorant to the needs of defence and the world. Or maybe people are just lazy. You can decide that for yourself.

I believe that if it's not one, it's the other.... at least when it comes to the views of Canadians towards military service. Many simply don't view it as a worthwhile endeavour - they view it purely from a monetary standpoint. I was asked once why I was enlisting, since I wouldn't make a lot of money. I didn't really know how to respond to that, instead I just stated that you either understand why you volunteer to serve, or you don't.

Alas, some of our equipment and the way in which the military is operated needs a serious overhaul; there's "lots of chiefs, but not a whole lot of indians" in today's Canadian Forces. The other problem is apparent in the very name; it's no longer "PC" to call them "Armed Forces," "Army" or traditional military terms. They're "Land Forces" to everyone but the people actually serving. Does anyone see a problem?

[Seraphim]

Well I'll get into the Canadian Forces as soon as I meet the minimum requirements for swimming and treading. ;)

[marcman16]

guys ive been thinking of joining the military but first of all i dunno if i should join the canadian or american armed forces? what do you guys think?

[Maverick77]

If your joinin the army join Canadian.

[Seraphim]

guys ive been thinking of joining the military but first of all i dunno if i should join the canadian or american armed forces? what do you guys think?

Its really up to you. What you want to do with your life. If I had my green card I would be off already. Not for a career in the US Army, but to go into law inforcement.

If you have a green card. Goto the US. You will have duel citizenship and have the best of both worlds.

But if the Canadian Forces has what you want, then why leave?

[Kitsune]

Just to add an remark about the "stupid polish" who allegedly attacked german panzers with mounted knights.

That is rubbish. In 1939 Poland had the fifth largest armed forces of the world. They didn't use knights anymore. Polish territory had belonged to Germany and Russia until the end of WWI and they knew that those two states wanted it back...so the Polish knew they needed a strong military to defend themselves. In fact the Polish had an army of some reknown. So in 1939 the whole world was surprised that Poland was defeated in so short a time. This gave rise to those stories of foolish polish lancers...that must be the reason thought the French and the English. But they didn't fair better. France was defeated in six weeks although 360.000 Brits fought with them.

In the war war against Poland, 13.000 members of the German Armed Forces were killed. More than 30.000 were severly wounded. That does not count later losses.

By the way: In Germany, when the situation isn't totally hopeless we often say: "No panic, Poland isn't lost yet..."

p-)

[Croat_soilder234]

hahhahah canada never had a great military, u guys are inexperinced

[Maverick77]

hahhahah canada never had a great military, u guys are inexperinced


coming from a ****head who can't even spell soldier

[Roy Batty]

hahhahah canada never had a great military, u guys are inexperinced

Ha-ha-ha......Medak pocket.


BTW nice job reserecting a 4 year old thread dumbass.

[DeltaWhisky58]

hahhahah canada never had a great military, u guys are inexperinced

What it must be to be so experienced and knowedgable - go away troll. :bash:

[Eggy]

hahhahah canada never had a great military, u guys are inexperinced
Wow this is a serious case of necromancy my friend. Next time before you bump a topic with nothing interesting to add, look at the date of the last post first. I read through 3 pages of **** and now I want my 15 minutes back.

[rhino]

suspended??? BAN the troll, why wast time to see what is his next great input going to be?

[Johnny_H02]

When the time comes to defend ourselves, Canada will be in a panic. Its a shame, what has happened to us over the years.

Canadians already have to defend themselves... from these ... things....

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/5180/bushprotest04ka8.jpg

[Kingswat]

wow, old thread, when i read through it i thought it would have atleast had a decent comment that brought it back, then i find out its some tard.

[Ballistic]

Hahaha, holy ****, a blast from the past. Hey even my old login name is in this thread :D I remember losing my password and not being able to log in again... a terrible time.. :(

[Vorian]

What the....this thread was started in 2003!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Pete031]

hahhahah canada never had a great military, u guys are inexperinced

Ha, Nice to see that the Croat soldier here is so grateful for the decade we were in his back yard trying to sort out that **** hole...

[Sidka]

didnt look the date of the tread mouahaha

[11 Bravo]

[QUOTE=, what has happened to us over the years.[/QUOTE]



What has happened you ask....SOCIALISM . That horrible word has become reality to canadian government. It's ruined some of the best of us on this planet and is by no means finished with us yet.

[Pete031]

What has happened you ask....SOCIALISM . That horrible word has become reality to canadian government. It's ruined some of the best of us on this planet and is by no means finished with us yet.

Well our new conservative government should hopefully change that...