Gun myths and idiotic comments

[Hollis]

The fact that you can carry more 5.56 than 7.62 doesn't change the fact that the 5.56 is a very poor round for combat. Many after action and lesson learned reports have accounts from troops stating that it took many hits from thier 5.56 rounds to put down the enemy. Now, it is very common to find the enemy wearing body armor.
In fact, the U.S. military is currently experimenting with different rifle rounds.
Why waste money and time on this? Go with a battle proven round. 7.62 is the best round.
Even if you hit them in the arm or leg, it's going to fall off.
I can't see troops now using captured weapons for long perods of time.
Imagine a platoon with a mix weapons. Doesn't seem likely.

Just felt this needed to be preseved for hysterical reference. Besides, UDKTFWYATA.

[Hollis]

I thought it would be nice to have a place where we could post gun myths and idiotic posts. This first one is a gem.

One thing, let the post speak for the poster. No flames. Thanks.

[USMC29]

XM8 vs. M4 vs. SCAR
Discuss.
The idiocy.

[orionhawk]

I dealt with a guy at my concealed carry class who insisted, no matter how it was put, that 9mm was somehow inherently more accurate than .45ACP. He though that was why I couldn't hit a stickynote at 15yd. not, perhaps, because I was maintaining over 3x his rate-of-fire. or because I have a hell of a time seeing a stickynote at 15yds.

then, of course, there's all the idots who think they're going to blow someone backwards with a hit from their .50-cal super action express magnum man-test gun.

or that you don't have to aim a shotgun.

[WarriorMonk]

I dealt with a guy at my concealed carry class who insisted, no matter how it was put, that 9mm was somehow inherently more accurate than .45ACP.

I'm not that much of a gun guy, but is it not really so?

He though that was why I couldn't hit a stickynote at 15yd. not, perhaps, because I was maintaining over 3x his rate-of-fire. or because I have a hell of a time seeing a stickynote at 15yds.

then, of course, there's all the idots who think they're going to blow someone backwards with a hit from their .50-cal super action express magnum man-test gun.

Well I would expect something with .50-cal on it to pack quite a bit of punch, but it's not like they're going to go flying like in the movies...

or that you don't have to aim a shotgun.

1225336dirkadirka

[-[Crosshair]-]

"A .50 cal is going to kill you if it passes a couple of inches from your head."

[Hollis]

-;3041177']"A .50 cal is going to kill you if it passes a couple of inches from your head."


Humm a little clearification is need. There are many types of .50 cal firearms and pistols. I have one, it is a single shot .50 cal cap lock. Shoots a .497 ball.

[BadKarma26]

Glocks can pass through metal detectors. Also Glocks are the only pistols that can fire UNDERWATER!

Plus, idk if you guys knew this but

Hitmen use .22s because the round goes into the head and bounces around in the brain seeing as its not powerful enough to go out the other side.

[orionhawk]

1225336dirkadirka
Your posting technique makes it difficult to reply. In general, modern pistol calibers are capable of similar/identical accuracy across the board for a given type (type meaning, range, tactical, hunting, etc., rather than caliber). Variations in the gun/design, and in the shooter FAR override any imaginable difference in ammo. Some calibers may be easier to hit accurately with, but there you're talking about things like bullseye loads or rimfires. The guy was a better shot than I was, in addition to the fact that he was firing far, far more slowly. I'm shaky, and my eyesight is worse than my vision tests indicate.

Also, there is the fact that I've seen a variety of manufacturers building M1911's guaranteed for 3", 2", or even 1.5" groups at 25yds. I can't think of many or any doing it in 9mm. Maybe Kimber, Baer, and STI. but they make .45's in the same platforms rated for the same accuracy.

[Seraphim]

Recoil from .50bmg or 12guage will break your shoulder.

Glocks made entirely of plastic.

AK-47 never jams or breaks.

AR/M16 system unreliable.

[deagle]

i think it depends on context. your avg low-life insurgent doesn't have body armor, hence hit-and run tactics, so a 5.56 would suffice. more conventional forces may/may not have body armor...in this case they have the same ballistics concerns like we do (they can't hit our troops with armor, and we cant hit them with theres). waddya gonna do ? either give everyone a 7.62 or .50 cal assault rifle or just tell them to aim better.

[JKinnaird]

Recoil from .50bmg or 12guage will break your shoulder.

Glocks made entirely of plastic.

AK-47 never jams or breaks.

AR/M16 system unreliable.
do you have a military background?
When you say that the M16 is unreliable, do you mean the old like A1s?
(not trying to start a flame war, just want to understand your claim)

[LaoSexMachine]

do you have a military background?
When you say that the M16 is unreliable, do you mean the old like A1s?
(not trying to start a flame war, just want to understand your claim)

myth .

[Andreas]

do you have a military background?
When you say that the M16 is unreliable, do you mean the old like A1s?
(not trying to start a flame war, just want to understand your claim)

The AK is just better, just read on the internet, everybody knows

[Dling]

The AK is just better, just read on the internet, everybody knows

Who needs the internet...theres COD4:roll:

[3rdMillhouse]

do you have a military background?
When you say that the M16 is unreliable, do you mean the old like A1s?
(not trying to start a flame war, just want to understand your claim)

True, as any rifle the M16 it's reliable as it's user is thorough with is maintenance and cleaning. But it's somewhat slightly less reliable than a SCAR (according to lab test, that this), but only slightly.

But it's true that the AK never jams. p-)

[E-2]

its all a question of nationality to me.
most Russians will literally die defending the AK and Americans the M16. I mean their country adopted them and they trust their countries wouldnt let them down. People just dont wanna be on the same bandwagon.

[Alfacentori]

Heres a good Gun Myth

"Banning and restricting legal private firearms ownership reduces crime and makes the community safer!"

Afterall why else would Politicians do it p-)



Alfa

[LaoSexMachine]

its all a question of nationality to me.
most Russians will literally die defending the AK and Americans the M16. I mean their country adopted them and they trust their countries wouldnt let them down. People just dont wanna be on the same bandwagon.

i love them both. any gun is better than none

[T3ngu]

Just like in SHOOTER, it is possible to hit someone in the head with an old .22lr, with a hastily made silencer wile standing in a moving boat 300ft away.

[Buckeye67]

My favorite gun myth: "knockdown power"

[Hollis]

its all a question of nationality to me.
most Russians will literally die defending the AK and Americans the M16. I mean their country adopted them and they trust their countries wouldnt let them down. People just dont wanna be on the same bandwagon.


Your right, I still my preferred issued CQC Firearm over any of that new fangle POS.

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k226/Hollis6475/1818Dolled-1.jpg

[antagonist22]

The average video game playing teenager thinks any rifle with a scope on it is called either a "sniper rifle" or a "magnum" and all pistols are called "dagles" or "magnum"

[TR1]

Kalshnikovs are innacurate, and are all inadequate for a modern military.

[Seifer74]

Recoil from .50bmg or 12guage will break your shoulder.

Glocks made entirely of plastic.

AK-47 never jams or breaks.

AR/M16 system unreliable.
Got some more that are related.

You can't hit a barn door with a AK-47 if you're inside it.

You can only work the Lee-enfield bolt as fast as the mauser bolt (had a friend claim this)

Can't hit anything with a shotgun past 10 feet.

.50 will take down a plane

can't kill anything with a 9mm

And finally, grenades only throw shrapnel 5 feet around from where it explodes.

[Dan2004]

"Assault Rifles are designed to wound rather than kill."

WTF?

[antagonist22]

Here is a good myth often seen in movies:
Turned over tables, car doors and walls provide ballistic protection from assault rifle rounds.

[noname]

Heres a good Gun Myth

"Banning and restricting legal private firearms ownership reduces crime and makes the community safer!"

Afterall why else would Politicians do it p-)



Alfa

QFT! these type of myths make karl marx proud.

[California Joe]

do you have a military background?
When you say that the M16 is unreliable, do you mean the old like A1s?
(not trying to start a flame war, just want to understand your claim)

Are you dense? It wasn't a claim. It was a sarcastic referrence to the 13 million idiots that have said it in here at various times. Much like the rest of the myths that everyone else is posting.

Tighten up.

[California Joe]

Here's one for Buckeye. "Using a silk patch in a flintlock gives you extra distance on your shot..." p-)

[California Joe]

Here is a good myth often seen in movies:
Turned over tables, car doors and walls provide ballistic protection from assault rifle rounds.

Correct. And the guy wielding the assault rifle is usually dispatched by a single pistol shot from 100 yards away by the hero.

[TR1]

I've done that before, in both Afghanistan and Chechnya. Clearly you have no military experience.

[California Joe]

Clearly....

[GazB]

Putting a silencer on anything from a revolver to an assault rifle like an M4 will not only reduce the noise it makes to a quiet "Phut" sound, it will also make the weapon more accurate.

-For those that don't know any better a suppresor is a container that captures the hot supersonic gas behind the bullet and lets it spread and cool before it is exposed to the outside atmosphere... this gets rid of the Bang a gun will make but not the crack of the bullet travelling at supersonic speed, nor will it silence the action, which can be quite noisy on an automatic weapon... rack the bolt back and release it to slam forward and that is the noise the gun will make when fired.

-Regarding accuracy a silencer can act as a barrel weight and reduce vibration, but generally anything you put in front of a gun that might influence the bullets path after it has left the barrel will reduce rather than improve accuracy.

Actually that reminds me of another hollywood myth... when the first round is loaded on automatic weapons the actor pulls back the mechanism and then pushes it forward again. In many weapons this will cause a stovepipe... ie the mechanism goes forward but the bullet doesn't go into the chamber properly and gets stuck at a funny angle. For most auto weapons you pull back the slide or cocking handle and then release to load.

[Hollis]

I've done that before, in both Afghanistan and Chechnya. Clearly you have no military experience.

A pistol with a scope on it, will make it accurate to at least 500 M (sniper accurate). You did not mention the scope.

[TR1]

A pistol with a scope on it, will make it accurate to at least 500 M (sniper accurate). You did not mention the scope.

phhhh, like all Russians I despise scopes. Iron sights are far more stylish.

Although what you say is true. Halo is the proof.

[Hollis]

Halo is the proof.


I stand corrected.

[E-2]

Your right, I still my preferred issued CQC Firearm over any of that new fangle POS.

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k226/Hollis6475/1818Dolled-1.jpg

LOL
is that the one you enlisted with?

[Jippo]

-Regarding accuracy a silencer can act as a barrel weight and reduce vibration, but generally anything you put in front of a gun that might influence the bullets path after it has left the barrel will reduce rather than improve accuracy.

I have a university study and couple of articles to verify that "myth". Suppressor acts also as a super effective barrel crown and improves accuracy.

[Power_serj]

You will not run out of ammo, and won't need to reload when it's one against many. But when it's one on one in a gun battle, your gun will jam or you will finally run out of ammo, and it will turn into a fist fight.

[BiZ]

LEO's need to **** their pistols when they draw them, every time.

You must action a shotgun at every opportunity.

Firing a shotgun at a door will cause half of it to explode alowing you to kick it in.

You can shoot chains and padlocks with sidearms without any problems.

Glocks require the user to disengage a loud safety every time they're unholstered or pointed at someone.

500+ yard shots against moving targets with someone else's scoped rifle you've just found is more than possible, it's repeatable.

Firing a belt fed weapon constantly for 200+ rounds is far more sensible than 3-5 round bursts against multiple targets.

Etc etc.

I love movies.

[boone]

A pistol being introduced into a discussion will not cause the wisecracking to cease.

[WarriorMonk]

Myth: Dual Wielding Uzis is fun and effective - just ask Chuck Norris

Myth: Guns have evil spirits around them - I kid you not my dad first said this when I told him I would get a CCW - yeah I know it sounds like a hippie thing

[Calanen]

Putting a silencer on anything from a revolver to an assault rifle like an M4 will not only reduce the noise it makes to a quiet "Phut" sound, it will also make the weapon more accurate.



Also anyone who is shot with a weapon fixed with a silencer, will not make any noise and die silently. Would be no good for the plot if they ran about screaming their heads off after being shot with a silenced weapon, now would it?

Have a look at any movie where a silenced weapon is used. The person who is shot makes no noise as they slump to the ground, whereas a weapon that has no silencer permits the person to scream out after they have been hit.

[triggerhappy15]

the hero can never be hit, but he in turn can shoot the bad guys from the hip at 200 yards. (nobody has to reload either)
The hero always has to have a fist fight to the death with his archnemisis.
Explosives explode multiple time at different angles

[BillySing]

"Sniper rifles are the most accurate rifles in the world"

^ that's a classic.

[James]

Myth: Dual Wielding Uzis is fun and effective - just ask Chuck Norris

Blasphemer.

http://www.darkplanet.co.uk/yoda/chuck_norris.jpg

[James]

Explosives explode multiple time at different angles

Actually they blow up so hard they cause ripples in the space-time continuum... That's why we see them a few times over and over again.

[BadKarma26]

As long as you aren't within the radius of the grenade's flame, you should be OK.

[LaoSexMachine]

blanks arent the same size as real rounds that why they jam

[T3ngu]

Pistols - any range, any size target, 100% accurate all the time.

Work best on car petrol tanks and tyres at large distances.

[Kilgor]

Hitmen use .22s because the round goes into the head and bounces around in the brain seeing as its not powerful enough to go out the other side.

Ive heard that one too.

Probably more a case of the silenced .22 being more than ample when placed against the side of a head.

[T3ngu]

Ive heard that one too.

Probably more a case of the silenced .22 being more than ample when placed against the side of a head.

Me thinks because I can make a silencer out of a orchy bottle and some tape :)

BTW they suck on rabbits and hares.

[lightfire]

Claymores, C4s, baisically any planted explosives, besides, of the size of a ciggarete pack, including detonator, will always explode with huge fireballs of napalm.

Last one I've read not long ago:

Kalashnikov is the best not because it is most popular, but because it is da best!

[matsalleh18]

The AK is just better, just read on the internet, everybody knows

I saw once on the internet about some parade in the Middle east, this guys was firing his Ak into the air then just Ka-boom the whole gun blow to bits,but the guy was ok.

[BloodyTalon]

You can survive a frag grenade to the chest if you're wearing Dragonskin.

Its easy and effective to dual wield sawed-off shotguns.

A single F-22 can easily take down 9001 SU-35s

A single S-400 can easily take down 9001 F-22s

Afghanistan is in desperate need of a navy and marine corp.

Cars explode into massive fireballs if you shoot them in the gas tank.

[Alfacentori]

Shooting Two handguns at the same time is the most accurate and time efficient way to eliminate multiple enemies armed with automatic weapons! p-)

Edit: Not forgetting you have to do it while jumping thru the air at least once!


Alfa

[James]

Pistols - any range, any size target, 100% accurate all the time.

Erm... Mine is always accurate...

[BiZ]

Claymores, C4s, baisically any planted explosives, besides, of the size of a ciggarete pack, including detonator, will always explode with huge fireballs of napalm.

Only if you have a little flashing red light that also beeps, or failing that, a cool red count down clock timer attached to them. What every cool MOE-man needs this summer.

[Mister_manji]

any time a gun is even moved on screen, it makes that same gun sound effect every movie with guns in it uses. You know the one.

[T3ngu]

Even if you have just reloaded your pump action shotgun, or lever action rifle, you should always **** it before using it. Even if you just did.

Further, when you **** it twice in a row, the second time will only chamber a round, not eject the previous round.

[Remington Rand]

Recoil from .50bmg or 12guage will break your shoulder.

Glocks made entirely of plastic.

AK-47 never jams or breaks.

AR/M16 system unreliable.
you got the top 4 definitely

[Kilgor]

Me thinks because I can make a silencer out of a orchy bottle and some tape :)

BTW they suck on rabbits and hares.

ive heard u can use tennis balls cut in half.

[Swedish_Marine]

Myth: Firing an assault rifle on full auto is always as accurate at long ranges as on semi auto and every round will hit the target.

Myth: Every firearm produces a large muzzle flash that is clearly visible in daylight.

Myth: The narrator from Weaponology is cool.

[Icarus1]

A few myths from swiss military:

- The SIG rifle rounds are taller than normal 5.56, so we can use the enemies rounds, but he can't use ours.

- The SIG is unreliable and unaccurate

- The SIG is the best rifle in the world, and the only rifle you can shoot under water. That's why French Commando Marine is using it.

- The SIG uses special ammo. It enters the body and in front you just see a tiny hole, but the back is completly teared up.

- The SIG 5.56 round produces a "hydro-shock", which means that if you're hit in the leg or elsewere you gonna die immedeatly, because you're heart stops as a cause of the hydro shock.

Dammit, there are a lot more I can't remember. It was so funny to hear all this sh1t by recruits who heard it from a friend of a friend.

[TacoDelRio]

Myth: The narrator from Weaponology is cool.

I love how he is incapable of NOT sounding dramatic. And he cannot ****ounce non-English words worth a damn.

[Kilgor]

The AK47 was a copy of the Stg44

[Abbadon the Despoiler]

The AK47 was a copy of the Stg44

well its based on its design. by the way its first assault rifle ... yeah, it is

[Superking]

The M16 (but not AK5 apparently) round tumbles "ass over end" inflight to create more damage.

I've heard this being taught to several conscripts in the Swedish army.

[Breiflabb]

All bombs are filled with gas/napalm and explode in huge flames.

We've had alot of bullet-ballistics-myths in the army. "Will this stop a bullet?". 7.62x51 vs. wood, dirty, helmets etc.

[RangerStew]

Here is one of my favorites:

That 7.62x39 and 7.62Nato (x51) are interchangeable. Hey, they are 7.62 right? :backhand:

[Icarus1]

That's the moment I would give the recruit a 7.62x39 and say: "If you're sure: Load it and fire it!" Then I would hide behind a stone wall and let the punk freak out of fear, that the weapon will explode in his hands or something :-)

[Hilbert]

"the gunmen were wielding fully automatic revolvers." Heard that beauty from a CBS reporter, so it must be true p-)

[junglejim]

"The .45 was introduced to take down Filipinos in the Philippine American war"

"The M16A1 is unreliable"

The M4 is a "baby armalite"

[mugs69]

Helmets and kevlar vests (older version particularly the vietnam era US vests) will stop a 5.56 round and a 7.62

[boreal]

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc66/grabie/MArteBosnia.jpg

A gift from a yugoslavian M-76.

[1911-a1]

http://uppladdning.com/uploads/20080212_14.08.12_badgunjv9.gif

[Jippo]

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc66/grabie/MArteBosnia.jpg

A gift from a yugoslavian M-76.

10cm to the left, and the user would be dead now.

[RS_Leo1A5]

Here's a myth any Bundeswehr recruit will likely have heard at least once from some low-ranking NCO:
The G11 was tested but not introduced to the German army because its hyper-velocity 4.73 caseless ammo violated the Geneva Concentions - a hit anywhere, be it foot or hand, would instantly kill you from hydrostatic shock and even a bullet fly-by in 50cm distance would rip off your skin due to the bullets trailing shockwave!

(In fact, the G11's muzzle velocity is less than that of an M16. And it wasn't introduced because [a] the Cold War was over leading to [b] drastic budget cuts and [c] no other country wanted to use it, leaving Germany the sole user of an exotic and incompatible-with-everything round.)

[Icarus1]

Here's a myth any Bundeswehr recruit will likely have heard at least once from some low-ranking NCO:
The G11 was tested but not introduced to the German army because its hyper-velocity 4.73 caseless ammo violated the Geneva Concentions - a hit anywhere, be it foot or hand, would instantly kill you from hydrostatic shock and even a bullet fly-by in 50cm distance would rip off your skin due to the bullets trailing shockwave!

(In fact, the G11's muzzle velocity is less than that of an M16. And it wasn't introduced because [a] the Cold War was over leading to [b] drastic budget cuts and [c] no other country wanted to use it, leaving Germany the sole user of an exotic and incompatible-with-everything round.)

The good old hydrostatic shock. That means our SIG STGW90 (SIG 550) is violoating the Geneva Convention... dammit, the young dumba$$ recruit was right and I was wrong :-)

[Hokiecadet88]

Blanks can't kill someone.

[omis]

Friendly Fire

[Dan2004]

LOL

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k226/Hollis6475/1818Dolled-1.jpg

is that the one you enlisted with?

MCRD Tun's Tavern?

[3rdMillhouse]

As long as you aren't within the radius of the grenade's flame, you should be OK.

They're not grenade, they're portable napalm cannisters.

PS: every car is highly flamable, and chances are it will blow up when you shoot it.

[3rdMillhouse]

They're not grenade, they're portable napalm cannisters.

PS: every car is highly flamable, and chances are it will blow up when you shoot it.

Another one: mortar attacks make people fly.

[wildheart]

you cant shoot anybody who's swimming under water.

[Sand Man]

All bombs have timers that tell everyone how much time is left...

[Chulo]

Using a .50 caliber on a person is against the Geneva convention

[flanker7]

All bombs have timers that tell everyone how much time is left...


And bomb experts always disable them just 1-2 sec before detonations by cutting the red wire

[Chulo]

oh yea

sharpening bayonets against the Geneva convention ALSO

[Johnny_H02]

Blasphemer.

http://www.darkplanet.co.uk/yoda/chuck_norris.jpg

You have posted a pic of our most beloved prophet! we must call for your head to be separated from your body.

BEHEAD THOSE WHO SHOW CHUCK NORRIS!!
CHUCK NORRIS IS GREAT CHUCK NORRIS IS GREAT!!!!

[Sand Man]

And bomb experts always disable them just 1-2 sec before detonations by cutting the red wire

ALWAYS the red wire.... p-)

[Gulag]

And bomb experts always disable them just 1-2 sec before detonations by cutting the red wire

rofl This one's good

[3Dguy]

No matter how complex or big a bomb may be, it always comes down to choosing between two different colored wires.

[flanker7]

When in fact bombs are actually simple devises so that you don't blow yourself up in the prosses of making it.

-Bullets hit regular cars, making nice shining sparcles but miraculasly NO holes!

[Paulinski]

I'm not even going to list the idiotic comments made by antis.

[gaijinsamurai]

"You are more likely to accidentally shoot yourself or a loved-one than use a gun to protect yourself. A study proved it!"

[dedbunniez]

Semi-automatic handguns require that you only pull the trigger once and the magazine is fully discharged.

That is why we should vote for Obama.
-student in my political science class

[dedbunniez]

you cant shoot anybody who's swimming under water.

Mythbusters did a some pretty interesting tests on that subject.

[Alpheus]

I love how cars are bulletproof in movies, as long as the good guy is in it. Windows shattered, but the occupants are just dandy. Doors and side panels full of holes, but no holes in the driver.
In reality even a 5.56 will go straight through a car as long as it doesn't hit the engine block.
While just a couple of pistol rounds will cause the bad guys SUV to blow sky high.

[SMGLee]

I hate it when some idiot come on and post some comments and challenge the powers to be to prove him worng....some noob asking long standing members to prove him wrong.. I just want to smack the little SOB.

[Andreas]

A AK with a silencer will still be better than a m16 without

[Gromit]

No matter how complex or big a bomb may be, it always comes down to choosing between two different colored wires.
Uh-oh, I remember one (1) film that featured a more complicated design. Remeber "Executive Decision" with Kurt Russel?

Anyway, here are my myths:
- One bullet will cause any airplane's fuselage to tear apart, leaving a hole 5x5 meters in diameter, but the airplane still lands safely.
- Any explosive device can destroy a modern tank.
- Glocks are made entirely of plastic (barrel and slide too)
- One from my former colleague: when a weapon's design is old, the gun begins to jam, even if your particular gun was manufactured yesterday (so why my AK still works?).
- Any optical device added to a weapon will cause its accuracy to rise 100,000,000 times.
- Most of movie guns have a magazine capacity of around 30-40 rounds (even revolvers).
- A typical machine gun (judging from number/length of fired bursts) has an unlimited ammo capacity and never overheats.
- Any bullet that hits a human being into any piece of his/her body will cause terrifying amounts of blood to spray from the wound and splatter on everything around.
- Bullets hitting your opponents head will send his brain flying but won't crack a glass window behind him.
- A statistical US teenager is fluent in operating some of the most advanced weapon systems in the world (including, but not limited to, a nuclear reactor).

[Dan2004]

"You are more likely to accidentally shoot yourself or a loved-one than use a gun to protect yourself. A study proved it!"

Oh God....

You have no idea how many times people have said those exact words to me....:cantbeli:

Here's my personal favorite: "A handgun is so complex that the average adult wouldn't be able to operate it." Or something to that effect.

You've go to be sh*ttin me. If that's true, then there's a sh*tload of folks out there that probably shouldn't even be driving! rofl

[phigment]

I picked these off the Brady Campaign website: bradycampaign.org


College campuses and schools are safer than the communities that surround them, precisely because those institutions have barred or tightly controlled firearms. We need to support those institutions, not strip them of the ability to control firearms on campus. Arming teachers is also a bad idea. Do we really want teachers shooting at students? Even police officers hit their targets less than 20% of the time.
The Assault Weapons Act reduced the use of high-firepower assault weapons available for criminal use.
A government study found that a used .50 caliber BMG sniper rifle can be purchased online for just $29.95.
The Second Amendment is perhaps the most misunderstood of all provisions of the U.S. Constitution.
Pistol grips on assault rifles and shotguns help stabilize the weapon during rapid fire and allow the shooter to spray-fire from the hip position.There are a lot more, but to document all of the inaccuracies on that site would take days.

[dedbunniez]

I picked these off the Brady Campaign website: bradycampaign.org


College campuses and schools are safer than the communities that surround them, precisely because those institutions have barred or tightly controlled firearms. We need to support those institutions, not strip them of the ability to control firearms on campus. Arming teachers is also a bad idea. Do we really want teachers shooting at students? Even police officers hit their targets less than 20% of the time.
The Assault Weapons Act reduced the use of high-firepower assault weapons available for criminal use.
A government study found that a used .50 caliber BMG sniper rifle can be purchased online for just $29.95.
The Second Amendment is perhaps the most misunderstood of all provisions of the U.S. Constitution.
Pistol grips on assault rifles and shotguns help stabilize the weapon during rapid fire and allow the shooter to spray-fire from the hip position.There are a lot more, but to document all of the inaccuracies on that site would take days.

Link plz I need a new gun.

[Pidyon Shevuyim]

A government study found that a used .50 caliber BMG sniper rifle can be purchased online for just $29.95.


29.95, dang we have been getting screwed! I'll take 50 please.

[phigment]

At that rate, I could probably get a pretty good AK for....maybe 35 cents?


And a myth: There's such a thing as a Glock7. It's a porcelain handgun made in Germany that's undetectable by metal detectors.:roll:

[StukaJr]

Apart from everyday internet idiocy (which is expected), the most prevailing firearm misguided thoughts and opinions I've been shared with (in general conversation) are:

a) thought of someone having lots of guns, sparks worries of that someone "going crazy and shooting a bunch of people" - exact quote, even though it varies from person to person.

It's fun to turn that around by suggesting that a crazy person with a bunch of guns is somehow more dangerous than a person with one gun (kind of like a senile person in a car is any less dangerous while leadfooting it through a crowded Farmer's Market). It's "guns" that scare people more than a person "going crazy" - forgetting that it's a brain's function to guide the human actions and not an inanimate object having mystical ability to make human brain "go crazy"...

b) I've helped out a co-worker of mine with some gun scenes/props for his film project about an ex-cop graduating to contract killing - the star suggested that a 20 minute run through firearm safety and working the action would not only make him ready for "contract killing" but also rather "good at killing"

And here I thought it were sociopaths responsible for most contract or serial killing work - but no, it's knowing how to "slam the slide home" and do a "single handed chamber check"... Killers become such only once they know "they can be good at it"... Yikes!

c) You have guns? Isn't that illegal?

That's coming from US born citizens? I mean, they probably know which States legalized pot, but that black military shotgun OMG! is scary!

[StukaJr]

Oh, and I nominate this guy to watch for anything anti-gun/anti-self defense:

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/member.php?u=33319

[IMTT]

Perrrfect; I have been wondering where our State Attorney General and Governator in California was getting thier information regarding those evil guns.

[SMGLee]

a) thought of someone having lots of guns, sparks worries of that someone "going crazy and shooting a bunch of people" - exact quote, even though it varies from person to person.!


I hate that.......I get that damn comment all the time...

you won guns... I better not piss you off... like gun owner at the first sign of trouble, pull out a gun and start blasting... sigh!!

[Kilgor]

Kalshnikovs are innacurate, and are all inadequate for a modern military.

The standard A47 sights leave alot to be desired in comparison to a modern assault rifle.

As a ill educated guess, I bet the later AK variants have much better sights for a "modern" battlefield.

[IraGlacialis]

In a firefight without hiding places, the hero with the revolver will always beat 10+ bad guys, who are weilding automatic weapons, unscathed without having to reload.

Oh and this goodie.
http://www.blackfive.net/photos/uncategorized/2007/08/14/iraq_bullet_ii.jpg
"An elderly Iraqi woman shows two bullets which she says hit her house following an early coalition forces raid in the predominantly Shiite Baghdad suburb of Sadr City. (AFP)"

[TacoDelRio]

I wish my head would explode from reading all these. I have heard them all. GAAAAAAAAWD!!!!!!!!!!! Lord.

[marco911]

Here is one you must have heard before:
A .44 Magnum, or any Magnum for that matter, will stop a car when you shoot the engine block.

[TacoDelRio]

You can shoot the moon out of the tapdancing goddamn SKY with a .357 magnum as well.

I used to sell firearms in a well-known gun store. I got aaaaaaaaaaaaaaall sortsa questions and "answers/facts"! I will say that most folks who were uneducatd about them were not STUPID, they were just ill-informed. Some folks though... the hardcore anti-gunners, they truly are very simply PROUD of being so flat f-ing IGNORANT.

And that stupid bullet tumbling in midair theory... always get that. M16's have HOPUP! Airhard guns.

[IraGlacialis]

Some folks though... the hardcore anti-gunners, they truly are very simply PROUD of being so flat f-ing IGNORANT.
Anything else they said not already posted here?

[TacoDelRio]

Anything else they said not already posted here?

I'm thinking... will post when I remember some, gotta leave to deliver a box... rawr.

We got some REAL stupid crap once, as we had a neighboring realtor office shut down, and get rented out as the local propoganda center for the Kerry Campaign around that time. You can imagine...

[Dling]

And that stupid bullet tumbling in midair theory... always get that. M16's have HOPUP! Airhard guns.

It only does that once it hits something don't it?

[California Joe]

It's impossible to hit anything at 600m with a Steyr AUG.

Owning an airsoft Steyr is a perfectly valid reason to butt into threads and school people on how to fire and change magazines whilst using a real one. Because it's exactly the same.


:)

[Hollis]

Oh, and I nominate this guy to watch for anything anti-gun/anti-self defense:

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/member.php?u=33319


Oh yeah, look at how one mod has picked on this poor member. That mod must be a derange gun nut.

[James]

Oh yeah, look at how one mod has picked on this poor member. That mod must be a derange gun nut.

You were just quicker than anyone else. ;)

[triggerhappy15]

Oh and this goodie.
http://www.blackfive.net/photos/uncategorized/2007/08/14/iraq_bullet_ii.jpg
"An elderly Iraqi woman shows two bullets which she says hit her house following an early coalition forces raid in the predominantly Shiite Baghdad suburb of Sadr City. (AFP)"

Uhh, how did that happen? Did the coalition forces throw them at her house?
Myths- The hero can run across a field with 20 bad guys shooting fully automatic rifles at him and never get hit.
And that guns cause people to be violent.

I love how people use the term "gun violence" It's not like the gun decides to go shoot up a store in a search for money. Try saying this; "stop the knife violence", and see how idiotic the phrase is. Should we ban all knives because people can get hurt by them?

[T3ngu]

Uhh, how did that happen? Did the coalition forces throw them at her house?


Myth - Throwing live rounds at Iraqi womens houses will cause more damage, go further and scare them more than by firing them from a weapon.

[Hippo]

pulling the forward assist on a "colt" is the proper method for reloading a la CS

[LibertyUnites]

the biggest idiot I ever met in the Army, the NCOIC of the ECP I worked in Iraq had several wonderful tidbits of knowledge to share over the course of the year... among them:

the new, green SAPI plates are rated to stop ONE .50 cal round

british-stamped 5.56 ammunition will blow up in your face if fired from the 16s

M2s didn't need to be serviced not just every shift, but even every DAY. (these M2s ate the dust of passing vehicular traffic all day long.... needless to say, every shift cleaned their own M2 anyway)

ordering surefire flashlights for every position was a good idea... the man loved surefires.

theres more... but if I think too much about him at any one time i get angry.

[StukaJr]

Has anybody mentioned the claims of ".50 cal sniper rifles capable of shooting down commercial airliners"?

I mean - the harrying thought of actually calculating trajectory of a .50 BMG in an upward arch at a moving multi-engined jet and actually coming close... I mean, AA needs thousands of rounds from a fully automatic 50 cal and Stingers are just for show - if ground to air fire was that "capable", then military aircraft would have never take off [pun intended] as an idea. Never mind that a thousand yard straight across shot is a challenge for everyday shooter - they expect to bring down a plane with that... Because everybody "thinks" that a bullet hole in a fuselage on an aircraft will cause "explosive decompression" with plane disintegrating into pieces from inside out - like in the movies or every time a vehicle is "shot with a gun" it explodes...

I want safety tags off my life p-)

[GazB]

I have a university study and couple of articles to verify that "myth". Suppressor acts also as a super effective barrel crown and improves accuracy.

Do you have a link to it or is there anyway I could see it... not that I don't trust you. The barrel crown is the last bit of muzzle at the end of the barrel that touches the bullet as it departs the rifle. If any part of a silencer or suppressor touches the barrel expect incredibly poor accuracy so I would hope the silencer or suppressor is not acting like a muzzle crown.
It might be acting as a barrel weight that reduces vibration during each shot.

Most of the Rifles I have owned with silencers have wider groups with the suppessor than without it. Including with supersonic ammo.


Also anyone who is shot with a weapon fixed with a silencer, will not make any noise and die silently. Would be no good for the plot if they ran about screaming their heads off after being shot with a silenced weapon, now would it?


Good point, and it reminds me too that the hero when shooting pions (ie henchmen... is enemy soldiers in James Bond movies or Stormtroopers in Star Wars etc) every shot kills outright. There is no need for follow up shots to finish anyone off except for if the person shot is the hero or the main badguy or his toughguy henchman.


ive heard u can use tennis balls cut in half.

In what way?


The standard A47 sights leave alot to be desired in comparison to a modern assault rifle.

As a ill educated guess, I bet the later AK variants have much better sights for a "modern" battlefield.

The open sights on the AK I find are easier to use to sight the target than the peep sights on my western type rifles (ie 303, and SLR). With the peep sight I have a constant fear of putting my eye so close to something I know is going to recoil backwards when I fire.


It only does that once it hits something don't it?

All bullets tend to tumble after impact with a target... especially pointed bullets as the rear of the bullet is obviously heavier than the front.

[T.H.E. rooster]

A jewelry store or trophy shop is a good place to have your SBR engraved, and even then, it's optional.

All handguns are either 9mm's or Glocks (i learned that from the media)

Being underwater renders firearms useless (according to my brother :roll:)

Civilians cannot own machineguns, silencers, grenade launchers, etc...

A cheap chinese knockoff mount is just as good as a Larue or ARMS.

[Kilgor]

In what way?



The open sights on the AK I find are easier to use to sight the target than the peep sights on my western type rifles (ie 303, and SLR). With the peep sight I have a constant fear of putting my eye so close to something I know is going to recoil backwards when I fire.



Ease and accuracy are different things. I would bet the AK sights are very quick to aim down but are not good for accurate long distance fire. (never a intended strength)

I am not posting anything about the tennis balls which might piss the mods off. Google it. I remember seeing something on Tv about a murder where the guy made a home made silencer.

[JJB1970]

Awesome thread! I have been enjoying all of your posts. I too have heard most of those. It is painful.

The one that really gets me (and I hear it often) is:

"A 9mm will just make a bad guy angry, a .45 will put him down."

I don't know, I just can't get used to the idea of a 9mm as a non-lethal weapon--or even a .22 caliber pistol.

That one really irritates me.

[T3ngu]

Civilians cannot own machineguns, silencers, grenade launchers, etc...



Dont you mean

" Civilians can own machineguns, silencers, grenade launchers, etc..." along with their fully automatic revolvers

[ed316]

I shot a man in Reno just to watch him die. Well, OK he didn't die because I shot him in the head with a 5.56mm. Such a pussy round.

[Chulo]

Dont you mean

" Civilians can own machineguns, silencers, grenade launchers, etc..." along with their fully automatic revolvers
as long as you have the paperwork and willing to pay the "tax" civilians can own quite a few things - so the Myth is that civilians can only have hand guns and some semi rifles.

[T3ngu]

as long as you have the paperwork and willing to pay the "tax" civilians can own quite a few things - so the Myth is that civilians can only have hand guns and some semi rifles.

Here in Australia, that certainly is a myth. No way in hell can a civilian get any of those legally.

[SMGLee]

how about......

Everything HK makes are golden!!

[IMTT]

The picture of the women holding the two rounds that hit her house is beyond rich.

This is absolutley the best ever picture "stop the violence" and stop throwing away good ammo d-amn it!

[Commander Shepard]

Using a .50 caliber on a person is against the Geneva convention

This is a widely believed myth even among troops who ought to know better (combat arms in general, even infantry).

Myths:

-The M16 was designed to wound, in order to put a greater logistical burden on the enemy.
-M16 rounds tumble in flight for a while before stabilizing.
-M16 rounds bounce around in the body.
-Supersonic bullets make a hissing sound as they pass near you.

[Chulo]

-Supersonic bullets make a hissing sound as they pass near you.

they go ZINGGGG!

[Bulletproof]

Using a .50 caliber on a person is against the Geneva convention


oh yea

sharpening bayonets against the Geneva convention ALSO

and shotgun.

If you want to have a good laugh, read the comments section: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LY4BZ_RVfJY

[phigment]

-M16 rounds bounce around in the body.
I toured a National Guard armory when I was in seventh grade and the guy telling us about the rifle repeated that one. Coincidentally, he was also the one I out-shot on their virtual shooting range, with both a pistol and a rifle.

This one I saw on a demonstration on some news show: "Automatic weapons are more powerful than semi-automatics of the same caliber." They showed a brick being hit by a .223 semi-auto rifle, then another by a rifle on full-auto. The only difference was that they shot it several times with the full-auto and only once with the civilian rifle.

[Seraphim]

Trump card for stupid comments. "Glock Calibers"


Just a reminder for this thread. Its about myths and idiotic comments. Not what happens in movies and tv shows.

[Chulo]

and shotgun.

If you want to have a good laugh, read the comments section: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LY4BZ_RVfJY

u are right

http://www.youtube.com/comment_servlet?all_comments&v=LY4BZ_RVfJY&fromurl=/watch%3Fv%3DLY4BZ_RVfJY%26eurl%3Dhttp%3A//www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php%3Ft%3D128648%26page%3D15

that has ALL the gun myths u can ever think of

[California Joe]

yeah they also fail to mention how badly the m16 jams...hands down, if ever i was to select a rifle to tkae to combat...it would be the Ak...lots more reliable in the battlefield. Dont think you wanna be caught with your pants down while in a firefight. generally speaking, "cleaning your gun in the middle of a firefight." there are ups and downs.

happened in Vietnam, and with hands on past experience, did the same thing to me.

Latest "myth" from a 17 year old expert.

[T3ngu]

Latest "myth" from a 17 year old expert.

No no no 17-21-26 year old.

[onefast93z28]

This one I saw on a demonstration on some news show: "Automatic weapons are more powerful than semi-automatics of the same caliber." They showed a brick being hit by a .223 semi-auto rifle, then another by a rifle on full-auto. The only difference was that they shot it several times with the full-auto and only once with the civilian rifle.

Saw CNN do that back in the 90s. They had a SWAT team shot a cinder black with a AK47 varent on full auto, which blew it apart. Then they fired one round with a semi-auto AK and.... Nothing! No hole, no nothing in the cinder block.

Gotta love the news...

[TacoDelRio]

Saw CNN do that back in the 90s. They had a SWAT team shot a cinder black with a AK47 varent on full auto, which blew it apart. Then they fired one round with a semi-auto AK and.... Nothing! No hole, no nothing in the cinder block.

Gotta love the news...

I heard a similar thing. A friend of mine said there was a demonstration of AR15's, one had a bayonet lug, one lacked a lug. The rest of the story matches yours.

The fact that the world did not explode from the sheer amount of STUPID from those kinds of demonstrations really disappoints me.

[Jippo]

and shotgun.


I think Germans actually tried to claim so in WWI.


Do you have a link to it or is there anyway I could see it... not that I don't trust you. The barrel crown is the last bit of muzzle at the end of the barrel that touches the bullet as it departs the rifle. If any part of a silencer or suppressor touches the barrel expect incredibly poor accuracy so I would hope the silencer or suppressor is not acting like a muzzle crown.
It might be acting as a barrel weight that reduces vibration during each shot.

Most of the Rifles I have owned with silencers have wider groups with the suppessor than without it. Including with supersonic ammo.

The ones I have are on paper and not in english, so I doubt they'd do you any good. But they actually have part of the uni paper as a webpage here:

http://guns.connect.fi/rs/measure.html

Something about accuracy here:

http://guns.connect.fi/rs/impact.html

What comes to the supressor reducing accuracy, it does happen e.g. with Russian PBS -supressors which are shyte in this aspect along with all other rubber disc types. Normal modern supressors do not detoriarate accuracy, quite on the contrary. Effect of the suppressor acting as a part as a barrel crown is a simplification: the barrel crown works as it does without the supressor but the suprressor slows down the turbulent air charging past the bullet and cuts it off diffractor by diffractor.

I use suppressors 95% of the time with supersonic ammo, and my own experiences are similar to the ones mentioned in the article.

Barrel and supressor touching is a strange comment from you, as in this part of the world we attach the supressor to the barrel.

[Icarus1]

they go ZINGGGG!

i felt it like they the crack like a whip.

[Freedom-Fries]

AR/M16 system unreliable.

Its TRUE

maybe not the modern AR M16, but in Nam it caused huge problems and it was infamous for its tendency to foul and jam. Have you spoken to Vets ? Some admit they prefered using old WW2, Korean-era weapons because they were much more reliable. Some Troops were told it was the weapon of the future and needed no cleaning kit, it requires assiduous cleaning

[Commander Shepard]

they go ZINGGGG!

Sounds like: CRACK!!....thump (report of the rifle)

[California Joe]

My flinter definitely cracks when fired.

[-[Crosshair]-]

If you want to have a good laugh, read the comments section




very innacurate can only travel about a few hundred yards accurately before it starts to actually drop (usually only about 100yards) the 7.62 is a very heavy round

The AKS-74U is chambered for the 7.62, guys. (If he was even talking about the video, I read further in the comments and they derailed completly)

[MetroN]

how about......

Everything HK makes are golden!!

Aren't they?

p-)

[noname]

Its TRUE

maybe not the modern AR M16, but in Nam it caused huge problems and it was infamous for its tendency to foul and jam. Have you spoken to Vets ? Some admit they prefered using old WW2, Korean-era weapons because they were much more reliable. Some Troops were told it was the weapon of the future and needed no cleaning kit, it requires assiduous cleaning


I believe the initial problem was ammo related.

[Chulo]

I believe the initial problem was ammo related.
not really, it was the misconception that the rifle didnt need to be cleaned and some issues with the lining that caused the foulup most of the time

[Flounder]

More than 2 firearms of any kind in the same place are considered a "cache", "arsenal", or other similar scary terms.

[Roaming East]

-;3044350']The AKS-74U is chambered for the 7.62, guys. (If he was even talking about the video, I read further in the comments and they derailed completly)
The AK74U like ALL AK74 variants, fires the Russian 5.45

[-[Crosshair]-]

I don't think people get this thread, honestly.

[Hollis]

Its TRUE

maybe not the modern AR M16, but in Nam it caused huge problems and it was infamous for its tendency to foul and jam. Have you spoken to Vets ? Some admit they prefered using old WW2, Korean-era weapons because they were much more reliable. Some Troops were told it was the weapon of the future and needed no cleaning kit, it requires assiduous cleaning


That was for a very short period of time, They changed the powder in the ammo. Vets said they preferred what? What year was that. I was there and no one ever mentioned they wanted a carbine, a M3, a Garand etc. Preferred was the M16 because of weight. I was there in 1969. That is a more myth than anything else, because it has become blown completely out of proportion.

The Korean Vets who fought in the winter will tell you the M1 Carbine was insufficient. I have never heard that anyone wanted a older weapon. The M14 was desirable except, it was unruly on full auto and weighed a ton plus.

[Sand Man]

-;3044378']I don't think people get this thread, honestly.

That's because Jack Bauer is a better shot with a USP than a SiG.

[IraGlacialis]

Trump card for stupid comments. "Glock Calibers"
I see you "Glock Calibers" and raise you.

One word: "Loadout".

[Chulo]

I see you "Glock Calibers" and raise you.

One word: "Loadout".
i see your bids and raise you "Boot blousing"

[Itamajus]

AK4(hkg3) is crap of **** and unreliable

Kalashnikovs rifles are the most reliable

Modern helmets are made to stop rifle rounds

Our issue helmets are useless because they cant stop a bullet

You dont need to wax your boots in outdoors

Everything Military uses must be made from bulletproof material(even the tent on the truck must be made from kevlar...)

Theese are common Lith military myths

O and the best one... From top of command... MG3 is considered a light machine gun.

[red dragon]

I see you "Glock Calibers" and raise you.

One word: "Loadout".

Epic, nothing can top that.

[/thread]

[lightfire]

Our issue helmets are useless because they cant stop a bullet

O and the best one... From top of command... MG3 is considered a light machine gun.

as for the first one, you know perfectly well, that however shamefull it is, until this day, there is no common-single issued helmet. There are at least several types. I am not talking about the bullets, but man, those old american, sweedish and I've still seen - russian helmets, they do the shame and are probably for rather self assurance purposes, if stones started to fall on you for instance...

As for the second, that's just sad reality, not technical concideration. MG4 is stuck somwhere between the deals.

[Hippo]

as for the first one, you know perfectly well, that however shamefull it is, until this day, there is no common-single issued helmet. There are at least several types. I am not talking about the bullets, but man, those old american, sweedish and I've still seen - russian helmets, they do the shame and are probably for rather self assurance purposes, if stones started to fall on you for instance...

As for the second, that's just sad reality, not technical concideration. MG4 is stuck somwhere between the deals.

...so...whats your point? Wheres the gun myth?


Gun myth: All french firearms are almost brand new and have only been dropped once...(sarcasm)

[Bulletproof]

...so...whats your point? Wheres the gun myth?


Gun myth: All french firearms are almost brand new and have only been dropped once...(sarcasm)

I had a hard time to breath for a second :D

[Zoomie]

That you're a disturbed individual if you have more than 100 rounds in your house.

[BiZ]

Just a reminder for this thread. Its about myths and idiotic comments. Not what happens in movies and tv shows.


The problem is a great many people (including the media) base their knowledge soley on what they see on tv/movies and thus turn silver screen myths into media and everyday 'facts'. :-(

[ed316]

9mm is a pussy round. Well, I would never want to be shot by a 9mm or any bullet.

[Kilgor]

9mm is a pussy round. Well, I would never want to be shot by a 9mm or any bullet.

I think that would also apply to the 5.56

[GazB]

Ease and accuracy are different things. I would bet the AK sights are very quick to aim down but are not good for accurate long distance fire. (never a intended strength)


The iron sights use a post front sight and trough rear sight. It is the same as the sights on all my .22 rifles and all of my bolt action 308s. I have no problem with long range use of my bolt action 308s. I think the real issue is what you are used to. I have heard sight base length is too short to be accurate, or the barrel length is too short. Funny really as the Iron sights on most bullpups is even shorter than most AKs and the distance between the iron sights on an M4 don't appear to be that much longer than the AK.

It could be that you have inadvertantly IDed a myth you believe to be true.


I am not posting anything about the tennis balls which might piss the mods off. Google it. I remember seeing something on Tv about a murder where the guy made a home made silencer.

I would expect a ball or sphere would be a poor shape for a silencer.

With that volume of space it could only be for a .22 calibre weapon.


I don't know, I just can't get used to the idea of a 9mm as a non-lethal weapon--or even a .22 caliber pistol.


Which is why so many people around the world die every year from being shot by "pea rifles". (ie .22s)


Dont you mean

" Civilians can own machineguns, silencers, grenade launchers, etc..." along with their fully automatic revolvers

Which country... I own several silenced weapons.


Using a .50 caliber on a person is against the Geneva convention

The geneva convention largely deals with the treatment of prisoners of war. It is the Hague convention that deals with bullet types. I believe it is against the laws of war to directly target humans with deforming or exploding ammunition... ie everything from soft nose hunting rounds and HE cannon shells. The germans used this law to object to the US use of Shotguns in the trenches of WWI, but nobody listened to the country that introduced chemical weapons and flamethrowers into WWI.


Barrel and supressor touching is a strange comment from you, as in this part of the world we attach the supressor to the barrel.

Oops, sorry, replace barrel with bullet. I meant if the bullet touches any part of the silencer or suppressor on its way through then accuracy is not possible.

BTW thanks for the links... will have a read.

...had a quick read and noted:


With the modified Kalashnikov clone, the Valmet M62 assault rifle, barrel vibrations clearly dominate accuracy and impact shift. In all Kalashnikovs, the barrel tends to strongly vibrate diagonally in up and right to down and left plane. The vibration is triggered mainly by the short two lug bolt suddenly clacking from loose to it's right position under chamber pressure. This causes strong bending vibrations in the barrel. The muzzle is allready moving diagonally, as the bullet emerges it. So, any mass attached to muzzle, including flash hider or suppressor, affects the phase and amplitude of muzzle vibrations, thus giving the bullet a usually reduced orthogonal velocity component.

This suggests that the silencer acts as a muzzle weight to reduce diagonal vibrations that would normally effect accuracy in a negative way.


not really, it was the misconception that the rifle didnt need to be cleaned and some issues with the lining that caused the foulup most of the time

Was a mix of a change in propellent to a less clean faster burning type without notifying anyone, and stupid sales marketing crap that stated it was so state of the art super dooper that it didn't need cleaning. Most grunts were happy not to have to spend time cleaning it and it cost them. From what I have read in some units they cleaned them anyway (which wasn't easy as they weren't issued with cleaning kits) and had less problems. The faster rate of fire of the faster burning propellent caused bits to break more quickly than they should.


Our issue helmets are useless because they cant stop a bullet


That brings up another myth... it is bullets that are most likely to kill me in war.


I think that would also apply to the 5.56

Absolutely true.

[ed316]

I think that would also apply to the 5.56

Well, dead Hajis would seriously disagree...if they were alive.

[Hilbert]

"An AK is a poor peasants weapon, you'll never hit anything with it."

"AK-74...? Do you mean AK-47? There is no 'AK-74' " <--- I've seen and heard this gem so many times it's not even funny anymore.

"AK's are manstoppers, you get hit by one of them 'n your going down" <-- exact words and seen many variations.

[Kilgor]

Well, dead Hajis would seriously disagree...if they were alive.

It wasn't a personal belief, it was a belief in the myth. ;)



GAZB, im not going to argue about the M16 vs AK sights, as it simply a case of the M16 sights being better for accuracy and that's where the story ends...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6BpI3xD6h0

[WKD]

i see your bids and raise you "Boot blousing"

I'll see your blousing and raise you the pants that Leonardo di Caprio wore in Blood Diamond.

[Jippo]

This suggests that the silencer acts as a muzzle weight to reduce diagonal vibrations that would normally effect accuracy in a negative way.

Yes it does. That is what causes the POI shift when you install a supressor on any rifle. Some more some less.

[Chulo]

I'll see your blousing and raise you the pants that Leonardo di Caprio wore in Blood Diamond.
I see your pants and raise you CaliJoe in his "Whitney loadout"

[Rebel 7]

"This is a Glock 40. Fifty Cent, Too Short, all of them talk about a Glock 40, OK? I'm the only one in this room professional enough that I know of to carry this Glock 40." *BAAAAM!*
- Timeless quote from Lee Paige

http://www.youtube.com/v/ZE3QAeYRk-A

[WKD]

I see your pants and raise you CaliJoe in his "Whitney loadout"

Can I raise you a katana deflecting bullets or is that not gun related enough?

[Jesupojk]

when you have emptied your magazine your AK wil go tak-tak-tak-tak.

High velocity rounds are against the genevablablabla and they make more damage than the not so high velocity round

5.56 is high velocity 308/7.62 is not.

a 50. hmg bullet will rip an arm of if you shoot anywere near it, i never got the answer why it only did neat little holes in the paper we were practic shooting it on.

[Jippo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6BpI3xD6h0

The whole video is a bloody myth, made by idiots.

[Kilgor]

The whole video is a bloody myth, made by idiots.

your post would be valid if you offered a reason why...

[Jippo]

your post would be valid if you offered a reason why...

In every thread where this video comes up? Considering it comes up monthly or so?

-recoil moves M16 less (well no wonder as it has much less joules going about like any other 5.56 rifle, it has less punch, it has less recoil)
-mass of the bolt carrier affects accuracy (only if fired in full auto, and in full auto one generally isn't all about pinpoint accuracy the carrier slam doesn't allow)
-Grouping should be less than 3 to 4 MOA for both of the rifles, they just proved they can't shoot for ****. (last sunday I shot an AK derivative 4 shots well under 1 MOA with fifth opening the group to a nearly 2 MOA. And that was with well worn rifle. And those poor things can't hit the bloody target at all from sandbags)
- AK47's bullet maybe less accurate(interesting conclusion without any proof. And what is an AK47 bullet? Could they mean 7.62x39 round? I know some very sharp and accurate rifles chambered in that caliber)
- AK47 is closer to machingun than a rifle (usually it is called an assault rifle, not a machinegun :) )
- fire selector switch is designed so that people fire in full auto (except that it is easier to put in single than automatic fire. They could've actually popped the lid on the rifle and see why selector moves as it does, design is painfully simple and functional)

That piece of video is so retarded.

[Outerheaven]

The whole video is a bloody myth, made by idiots.

"The M16 is closer to a rife, the AK-47 a machine gun"

I use to have respect for the Discovery channel, I really did.

[TacoDelRio]

"The M16 is closer to a rife, the AK-47 a machine gun"

I use to have respect for the Discovery channel, I really did.

I had faith in TV media when I was a wee lad.

We had a guy at the shop tell folks that Glock used "Glock Lube" in their barrels to help increase the muzzle velocity of rounds... I think he was serious.

And all that "SEALs/Delta Force/Captain Crunch" uses this and that sh*t.

[Outerheaven]

We had a guy at the shop tell folks that Glock used "Glock Lube" in their barrels to help increase the muzzle velocity of rounds... I think he was serious.

And all that "SEALs/Delta Force/Captain Crunch" uses this and that sh*t.

Yup, sadly I've heard that little tidbit of information before. On a side note my friend's father actually swears that he can empty his Glock 17 underwater. I'm a bit skeptical on this, as I've heard that you can and can't do that. Anyone know if I should put some money on this? But I'm sure this has been talked about before. Also I've actually put a few rounds through the firearm and I've got to say it was a rusted piece of junk.

[TacoDelRio]

I think i'd prefer to not shoot a handgun underwater... kinda very very very few times in life I'd said to myself, "Boy, I wish I could shoot that pool lamp out, just, y'know, because".

Guns be for shootin' up on da erf.

[Outerheaven]

I think i'd prefer to not shoot a handgun underwater... kinda very very very few times in life I'd said to myself, "Boy, I wish I could shoot that pool lamp out, just, y'know, because".

Guns be for shootin' up on da erf.

True that, that man shouldn't even be allowed to own a firearm. Broke my heart to see that fine sidearm in such a lousy condition. It jammed on me before I got to finish the first magazine. After that I wouldn't touch it anymore.

[Kilgor]

-Grouping should be less than 3 to 4 MOA for both of the rifles, they just proved they can't shoot for ****. (last sunday I shot an AK derivative 4 shots well under 1 MOA with fifth opening the group to a nearly 2 MOA. And that was with well worn rifle. And those poor things can't hit the bloody target at all from sandbags)


Re: sights, which was the whole point of the arguement. Does the M16 have better sights ? And no, we arn't talking DERIVATIVES here.

[Jippo]

Re: sights, which was the whole point of the arguement. Does the M16 have better sights ? And no, we arn't talking DERIVATIVES here.

No, we were talking about the video. The video is shyte, and I will keep that opinion thank you.

Go on and argue your heart out about the sights with someone else.

[Kilgor]

No, we were talking about the video. The video is shyte, and I will keep that opinion thank you.

Go on and argue your heart out about the sights with someone else.

You seem to know what your talking about ... why not ? is because the answer is yes ? :)

[Jippo]

The argument is stupid to start with, that's why. There are AK's that are worse and ones that are better than standard carry handle sights. Then there are dozens of different type of AR sights. So what?

[T.H.E. rooster]

Dont you mean

" Civilians can own machineguns, silencers, grenade launchers, etc..." along with their fully automatic revolvers
No. That was the myth I posted. Lots of people think you can't own those things, and would probably freak out if they found out, despite the fact that legally owned NFA items are responsible for practically zero percent of any crimes or injuries.

[phigment]

When kids are arrested in shooting plots and discovered to have "arsenals" that include 20+ nearly harmless airsoft guns and between 0 and 2 actual firearms.

[Itamajus]

Thanks GazB for pointing out that myth,

"the most casualties in war come bullets"
As far as i remember my first aid course, they said that only 20% of the casualties come directly from war i.e. bullets, explosions and other stuff designd to neutralize manforce.

[boreal]

No. That was the myth I posted. Lots of people think you can't own those things, and would probably freak out if they found out, despite the fact that legally owned NFA items are responsible for practically zero percent of any crimes or injuries.

I can´t own a full auto rifle no matter the caliber. I can´t own even a semiauto .223 rifle.

And those are facts, no myths

[Chulo]

I can´t own a full auto rifle no matter the caliber. I can´t own even a semiauto .223 rifle.

And those are facts, no mythssucks to be you then...

[zonk]

before we convoyed from camp buering to camp taji we had placed a guy who was ultra super religous on the convoy roster...when asked what he would do if we got shot at he proclaimed that he wouldn't fire a shot...I asked if he was to have to fire his rifle then what...he then proclaimed that GOD would bend the bullets around the enemy to where it wouldnt hit them. the first sergeant said that if we did get into a fire fight that he would be the first to shoot this kid in the foot ....so he was removed from the roster fairly quickly

[Seraphim]

before we convoyed from camp buering to camp taji we had placed a guy who was ultra super religous on the convoy roster...when asked what he would do if we got shot at he proclaimed that he wouldn't fire a shot...I asked if he was to have to fire his rifle then what...he then proclaimed that GOD would bend the bullets around the enemy to where it wouldnt hit them. the first sergeant said that if we did get into a fire fight that he would be the first to shoot this kid in the foot ....so he was removed from the roster fairly quickly

Wow. :cantbeli:

[Engine Mech]

I have heard that the harder you pull the trigger the further the rifle will shoot. An empty oil drum will stop a 5.56 projectile. You can safely shoot a 5.56 machine gun inside a ship or a concrete building.

[IraGlacialis]

before we convoyed from camp buering to camp taji we had placed a guy who was ultra super religous on the convoy roster...when asked what he would do if we got shot at he proclaimed that he wouldn't fire a shot...I asked if he was to have to fire his rifle then what...he then proclaimed that GOD would bend the bullets around the enemy to where it wouldnt hit them.
Why would he be in the military then?
Don't tell it me it was just for the benefits.

[zonk]

Why would he be in the military then?
Don't tell it me it was just for the benefits.


if I had the answer to this question I would give you an honest answer, but I haven't got a clue. first sergeant really did not like this kid after that though. he put him on some of the ****tiest details. the guy got out of the army shortly after returning from iraq......

[orionhawk]

How about this one, which is particularly unpleasant at the moment?

Banning guns in schools will keep them safe.

or "It's too bad you Americans keep having school shootings, unlike us elightened gun-control type in XXXXX country."

[phigment]

How about this one, which is particularly unpleasant at the moment?

Banning guns in schools will keep them safe.

or "It's too bad you Americans keep having school shootings, unlike us elightened gun-control type in XXXXX country."
It's worse when they suggest that people who oppose gun control are uneducated.

[triggerhappy15]

It's worse when they suggest that people who oppose gun control are uneducated.

totally true

[orionhawk]

well, of course anyone who wants to be near a gun must be uneducated, not to mention a dangerous, murderous deviant. after all, such a person disagrees with "them".

[boreal]

sucks to be you then...

First the gun myth, and now the idiotic comment....

[GazB]

GAZB, im not going to argue about the M16 vs AK sights, as it simply a case of the M16 sights being better for accuracy and that's where the story ends...


Based on ignorance. The peep sight of the M4 has a shorter sight radius than the AK simply because the sight radius of a peep sight is based on the distance between the rear sight and the front sight. The AKs sight however is based on the position of the eye aligned with the rear sight and the front sight... the sight radius is actually from the eye through the rear sight to the front sight. ...do you understand what a cheek wield is?


Yes it does. That is what causes the POI shift when you install a supressor on any rifle. Some more some less.

Well you learn something new every day don't you. :)


-recoil moves M16 less (well no wonder as it has much less joules going about like any other 5.56 rifle, it has less punch, it has less recoil)


Not to mention comparing apples with apples the AK-74 in 5.45 has 30% less recoil than the 5.56mm so it must be even more accurate.


- fire selector switch is designed so that people fire in full auto

Operate it real fast like it is urgent and you will find you have clicked down two positions to single fire.


On a side note my friend's father actually swears that he can empty his Glock 17 underwater. I'm a bit skeptical on this, as I've heard that you can and can't do that. Anyone know if I should put some money on this? But I'm sure this has been talked about before. Also I've actually put a few rounds through the firearm and I've got to say it was a rusted piece of junk.

Most firearms will fire underwater... not musket of course. The problem is that the expanding pressure inside the case usually gets relieved relatively quickly as the bullet is pushed down the barrel in air. Under water the propellent has to push both the bullet and the water in front of it. Water does not compress so you have to push the weight of water in the barrel as well as the projectile. This means the chamber and barrel behind the bullet recieve high pressures for much longer. If you are lucky there will be no damage. There might be a bulge generated in the barrel where it has started to give under the pressure. Or you might find the barrel is ruptured and the gas behind the bullet exits around the bullet. With a thin barrel weapon like a shotgun the barrel will likely split and the weapon will be ruined.

There are firearms designed to fire underwater, the Russians have a nice range of them that use normal metal cartridges with primers and powder but the projectiles look more like knitting needles to travel through the water more efficiently. (Do a search on the SPP-1M under water pistol or the APS underwater assault rifle.)

A common myth one of my friends believed was that if there was something in the barrel a good way to clear it was to fire a live round through it. He also believed modern smokeless powder was so clean that any dirt you got in the rifle was largely cleaned when you fired anyway.

Note this is a myth because of the shape of the bullet means that instead of pushing dirt and material ahead of it and out the barrel it is more likely to push it aside and into the wall of the barrel. This can effect the inner surface of the barrel and accelerate pitting and damage in the barrel.
(Never let him borrow any of my guns).

[Chulo]

First the gun myth, and now the idiotic comment....
how is it not a myth if we can legally own and buy guns? Just because you cant doest mean its a myth, and how is my personal option an idiotic comment if i believe that it sucks that you are not able to buy something for self defense or as a collectible?

[Hollis]

Let's not get into a pissing contest. Myths are untrue aspect that some folks believe. Like, get rid of all the guns there would be no crime.


idiotic comments, The best hunting rifles are military sniper rifles, because they are the most accurate. M4 is a POS is jams every few rounds for no reasons. It is suicide to carry a M4 into battle. H&K makes the best of the best of the best of.............. and so on.

Ok.. So far some really great posts. Thanks. a Fun read. Maybe, later I will clean it up and make it a stickie so wannabes can read............ and then go, "Oh Sh!t, I should not have posted that."

[IMTT]

If you saw the barrel off a shotgun shorter than 16inches it will pattern so you can clear an entire room with one shot. Yeap, no kidding shoot everybody and the pattern is absolutley huge killing everyone in it's path. Its massive and a weapon of mass destruction. Hey if you want to stop someone just take a shotgun and shoot them anywhere on the body and they will drop dead. These are facts; I know because I'm a Democratic Senator.

People are gentle, sweet, honest and nice naturally. Guns are evil and make people crazy, the gun makes them go out shoot people and commit crime. The answer is simple; No guns, No crime!

[3rdMillhouse]

Has anyone said this? (usually democrats and USSR orphans do)

"Guns kill people."

[Scaar.at]

Bundesheer (austrian army) myth: The STG77 is the best assault rifle of the world

JHP or any other fragmentation round is a Dum-Dum-projectile

The soviets store tanks in perfect working condition since the Cold War, that can drive 200 km/h fast on the street and they have dual cannons

If you remove the splint of a hand grenade, it explodes.

[triggerhappy15]

In hollywood;
Guns - have no recoil,
-never have to be reloaded,
-can never hit the hero, but don't need to be aimed BY the hero,
-machine guns never overheat,
-bullets can't penetrate anything,
-guns have gigantic muzzel flashes that can be seen at any time,
-all of the hero's gun are super accurate out to 1000 yards,
-and firing from the hip will kill everyone.

Did I miss anythig?

[Seraphim]

In hollywood;
Guns - have no recoil,
-never have to be reloaded,
-can never hit the hero, but don't need to be aimed BY the hero,
-machine guns never overheat,
-bullets can't penetrate anything,
-guns have gigantic muzzel flashes that can be seen at any time,
-all of the hero's gun are super accurate out to 1000 yards,
-and firing from the hip will kill everyone.

Did I miss anythig?

Myths, not movie mistakes.

[Engine Mech]

For shooting trout the old 303 with round nose nickel jacketed bullets was the best. The round nose bullets travel better under water than the pointed ones. They were called nickel spinners in NZ. The Toz 22 rifle had a re-enforced muzzel crown so it could be fired with the muzzle under water when shooting fish. When shooting fish always aim high to allow for the paralax effect of the water.

[triggerhappy15]

For shooting trout the old 303 with round nose nickel jacketed bullets was the best. The round nose bullets travel better under water than the pointed ones. They were called nickel spinners in NZ. The Toz 22 rifle had a re-enforced muzzel crown so it could be fired with the muzzle under water when shooting fish. When shooting fish always aim high to allow for the paralax effect of the water.

Uhh, is this a myth or real? Must be pretty funny to shoot fish though.

[orionhawk]

"It shoots incendiary bullets - heat-seeking bullets... so if you shoot a deer with it, it will already be cooked."
-rough, but direct quote from some idiot in NJ bitching about how the Barrett can shoot down an airliner...

[zonk]

Has anyone said this? (usually democrats and USSR orphans do)

"Guns kill people."



guns don't kill people, the flying projectile exiting them do...

[Digital Marine]

I just watched this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/7XmJsDdpt5Q

I really didn't know a supressor doesn't really 'silence' it at all.

[Jesupojk]

I just watched this:



I really didn't know a supressor doesn't really 'silence' it at all.

Are you kidding? Or is it a combo of hollywood silencers and a missunderstanding or lack of understandig of how a silencer works?

[Jippo]

I really didn't know a supressor doesn't really 'silence' it at all.

Actual rifle is much quieter, what you here is is the travel noise of a supersonic bullet.

[Hollis]

I just watched this:


I really didn't know a suppressor doesn't really 'silence' it at all.


Think of a suppressor as a muffler. What you heard in the "suppressed" mode was the bullet sonic crack.

Three sources of noise
1) firing
2) bullet if it is hyper sonic
3) action of the firearm

4th) bullet hitting something if your close enough

I was at a demonstrating a UZI suppressed using sub-sonic ammo. Only noise was the action of the Uzi going back and forth and bullet hitting the dirt.

A revolver has sound leakage between the cylinder and the barrel. Why Suppressed revolvers are not very quite.

[Digital Marine]

Ahh, i see. Thanks for the clarification, i learn something new every day on here.

@Jesupojk: I've never fired a firearm in my life, that's why i didn't know.

[Sheikh Al Stranghi]

The main thing silencers were originally designed for was flash suppression. The noise reduction was an unexpected bonus.

[Jippo]

The main thing silencers were originally designed for was flash suppression. The noise reduction was an unexpected bonus.

Now that's a good myth. :)

[hank]

Doesn't the MP5 with an integrated silencer vent some gas just past the gas port on the barrel to reduce the bullet's velocity of the bullet before it leaves the barrel? I think I read that somewhere. Does it accomplish the same thing as subsonic bullets?

I had a buddy in high school who refused to believe that supersonic bullets would still go "pop" even with a silencer. We used to argue about it all the time.

hank

[Hollis]

Hank that is what H&K advertises. The thing is a MP5 shoots 9mm, a subsonic 9mm is a normal load if it is the 147 grain bullet. You can load a 147 grain bullet to be sonic, too. So I don't think the drop is much and it is probably for the 9mm 147 Grain bullet load. The Uzi mentioned, used 147 gr bullets. Some commercal 147 grain bullet did the sonic crack.

I don't know if the MP5 suppressed would slow down a 115 grain bullet load or not. SMG Lee might know.

[Jippo]

Doesn't the MP5 with an integrated silencer vent some gas just past the gas port on the barrel to reduce the bullet's velocity of the bullet before it leaves the barrel? I think I read that somewhere. Does it accomplish the same thing as subsonic bullets?


Muzzle velocity of a full power 9x19 round is quite close to speed of sound ~330m/s, and MP5D effectively reduces normal velocities to below that. It doesn't achieve same as subsonic bullets, it makes the bullets subsonic. Added after Hollis: I think most common military round is 8g FMJ (123gr), at least here it is. It'll do 350-400m/s normally.

[Hollis]

Muzzle velocity of a full power 9x19 round is quite close to speed of sound ~330m/s, and MP5D effectively reduces normal velocities to below that. It doesn't achieve same as subsonic bullets, it makes the bullets subsonic.


Is that for any Bullet weight.

90 grain has a max velocity of 1500fps

115 gr. is 1400fps

[BiggBodyBrougham]

UDKTFWYATA.

I think I know what this is but just in case can you spell it out? lol

[Hollis]

I think I know what this is but just in case can you spell it out? lol

Originally Posted by HOLLiS http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?p=3040943#post3040943)
UDKTFWYATA.
Means:

U don't know the F what you are talking about.

[BiggBodyBrougham]

Originally Posted by HOLLiS http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?p=3040943#post3040943)
UDKTFWYATA.
Means:

U don't know the F what you are talking about.

yeah I was right. thx... BTW I think I got a good topic. Wouldn't call it a "myth" exactly but.... Me and a guy at work always argue about hydrostatic shock. What do you guys on here think about it?

[Hollis]

yeah I was right. thx... BTW I think I got a good topic. Wouldn't call it a "myth" exactly but.... Me and a guy at work always argue about hydrostatic shock. What do you guys on here think about it?


There is a good study on another forum. With trauma doctors, real deals BTDT. I'll Pm you the site. It is a tightly run forum. Very professional and Military. Other words read all the rules and stickies.

Search for LeMas bullets.

[Jippo]

Is that for any Bullet weight.


Yeah, what I meant it's probably tuned for 123gr. I've only shot MP5k so I really don't know, just guessing.

[GazB]

The silenced makarov pistol is similar to the silenced HK in that it has holes drilled in the barrel near the chamber.

The idea is that with a normal rifle if you put a suppressor on it you have to make special subsonic ammo for it to be really quiet. With supersonic ammo the crack of the supersonic bullet makes a quite loud noise for as long as the bullet is supersonic. If you make a special weapon that uses standard ammo but has holes drilled in the barrel to reduce the velocity to subsonic speeds you can use standard ammo with the weapon but not have the supersonic crack of the bullet. This means you wont accidently load the wrong ammo and fire loud shots when you should be being quiet. (ie sentry or guard dog take down should be quite but once the enemy is alert you can use full velocity ammo that hits harder and does more damage. With a suppressed weapon with holes drilled in the barrel you can't revert to supersonic ammo for more effect on target but you also can't compromise the mission by using loud ammo when you should be using quiet stuff).

As Hollis mentioned above the impact of the bullet is a noise that many people don't expect. Even the whack of a 40 grain subsonic .22lr bullet can be rather loud.

[Hippo]

A barrel shroud is the shoulder thing that goes up
http://www.youtube.com/v/9rGpykAX1fo&rel=1

[Eknytz]

Now that's a good myth. :)
I actually read somewhere that they were invented to make the job of the firing squad less noisy for the executioners and the spectators as well.

[GazB]

I remember reading a story about a situation... basically a cop was in a changing room when all of a sudden the people outside hear this bang. They all rush in to see a quite pale officer looking up at the ceiling where there is a small hole. The officer claimed he had dropped a 9mm cartridge onto the ground and it had hit at just the right angle to set off the primer... hence the bullet hole in the ceiling. Apparently there were new ammo handling rules introduced immediately and the makers of the ammo were contacted.

For those that don't understand what the problem with this story is, there is a reason a gun has a chamber, a firing pin or some sort and a barrel. That reason is that if you somehow manage to set off the primer of a live round the building pressure will just expand the case around the projectile and the gas will rapidly escape without accelerating the bullet. Remember a bullet is a relatively large and heavy lump of metal so it is easier for the gas pressure to make a gap between the bullet and the shell case than it is to push the entire bullet out of the neck of the shell case.
What really happened in that changing room was that the officer had a negligent discharge (ND) because he in some way mishandled a loaded weapon.

[BillySing]

^

Precisely. Rapidly expanding gas will follow the path of least resistance and cartridge brass is quite fluid under pressure. So without adequate resistance provided by steel chamber walls, the cartridge will just pop.

[Jippo]

Well, I got rid off some bent & busted .30-06 reloads by burning them in a old steel pot. One by one, mind you. They do give a proper bang, no doubt about it. Brass does burst open of course and the bullet doesn't go anywhere from the pot.

One lady died here couple of years ago from rifle round (somebody had hid/left) in her barbecue, so I'd advice against burning the rounds (or making them explode in the open any other way).

[OstiasMoscas]

At that rate, I could probably get a pretty good AK for....maybe 35 cents?


And a myth: There's such a thing as a Glock7. It's a porcelain handgun made in Germany that's undetectable by metal detectors.:roll:

Well, the Glock 17 is real hehe
The only time I heard/saw that was in the movie "The Art of War", with Wesley Snipes :)

[OstiasMoscas]

I believe the initial problem was ammo related.

There were several reasons, but the soldiers weren't issued cleaning kits with the M16 to begin with (no joke), they were told it was the rifle of the future, and that it wouldn't need to be cleaned, or at least not nearly as often. Which is why they weren't given cleaning kits.

EDIT: Found some info: http://world.guns.ru/assault/as18-e.htm

1965 - 1967. Field reports from Vietnam began to look much more pessimistic. M16 rifles, issued to US troops in the Vietnam, severely jammed in combat, resulting in numerous casualties. There were some causes for malfunction. First of all, during the introduction of the new rifle and its ammunition into the service, US Army replaced originally specified Dupont IMR powder with standard ball powder, used in 7.62x51mm NATO ammunition.

The ball powder produced much more fouling, that quickly jammed the actions of the M16 unless the gun was cleared well and often. This pitifully combined with the fact that the initial M16 rifles were promoted by the Colt as "low maintenance", so, for the sake of economy, no cleaning supplies were procured for new M16 rifles, and no weapon care training was conducted fro the troops.

As a result, soldiers did not knew how to clean their rifles, and had no provisions for cleaning, and thing soon turned bad. To add the trouble, the ball powders also had a different pressure curve, so they produced higher pressures at the gas port, giving the rise to the rate of fire, and, thus, decreasing accuracy and increasing parts wear.

1967 - 1970. The deficiencies discovered in previous years began do dissolve. 5.56mm ammunition was now loaded using different powders that produce much less residue in the gun action. The barrel, chamber and bolt of the rifles were chrome-lined to improve corrosion resistance. Cleaning kits were procured and issued to troops, and a special training programs were developed and conducted ever since. Earliest cleaning kits could be carried separate from rifle only, but since circa 1970 all M16A1 rifles were manufactured with the containment cavity in the buttstock, that held the cleaning kit.

[phigment]

Well, the Glock 17 is real hehe
The only time I heard/saw that was in "The Art of War" with Wesley Snipes :)I heard it in Die Hard 2...

[Kayback]

Mini necro post. A couple of years ago when M82A1's were all the rage for shooting down airliners, one news reported mentioned something about them having an 8000 yard range (or something like that).

Using some basic maths, and the published 2MOA capability of the M82, and ignoring things like bullet disruption dropping through the sound barrier, I came up with a target area of something like 82 000 square inches.

Or 55m^2. And thats just what the rifle was capable of, at the best of times, no wind, with superbly put together ammo and still not considering the fact the bullet will be subsonic long before 8000yards. Not taking into consideration things like, I dunnoe, the shooter.

KBK

[Ubar]

Well if you had 1000 monkeys and 1000 M82s....

[gonz_au]

Idiotic (blonde) comment


Why would you want a gun, they are only good for shooting things

Good thing she is pretty :hug: