ID this weapon?

[mikec62001]

I know the quality of this pic isn't great...as you probably know it was taken from the hostage rescue operation.

My question is: is that a Heckler & Koch 416? I don't think it's an M4 as it doesn't seem to have a front sight the M4 has. Looks like it also has a one of those "Ready Mags"

Would be grateful if someone could help

Thanks

[Gulag]

Is there a gun? I can see only wire(or whatever)cutters. Could you somehow highlight it?

EDIT: Gee, I am really blind. Sorry, my fault.

[offspring]

I know the quality of this pic isn't great...as you probably know it was taken from the hostage rescue operation.

My question is: is that a Heckler & Koch 416? I don't think it's an M4 as it doesn't seem to have a front sight the M4 has. Looks like it also has a one of those "Ready Mags"

Would be grateful if someone could help

Thanks


i'd say its a 416

[mikec62001]

i'd say its a 416

Thanks for your help...

Sorry about the quality of the picture but the original clip wasn't great

[LaoSexMachine]

The grip looks like an M4

[T.H.E. rooster]

Definitely looks like a M4, or some version of one anyways.

[offspring]

The grip looks like an M4

i see it now

[JKinnaird]

that looks like an M4, with an EO-tech holographic sight, and a doulbed-up ready mag.


unless you are talking about those bolt-cutters...

I wouldnt be so quick to identify it as a 416. the guy's righ bolt-cutters are blocking the veiw of the foresight. And the forestock/grip (NOT vertical foregrip) doesnt seem to be as long as that of a 416.

[mikec62001]

If you watch the video....rather than just looking at the picture, at the end when the guys using the bolt cutters on the hand cuffs his weapon is moving about and you can see there is no front site...as in the type you'd see on an M4..


You'll see he's got a ANPEQ2 Infrared Illuminator Aiming Laser on the the top..just before the front site...

I'll see if I can get another screen shot without the cutters blocking the front site

[Royal]

Does it really f.ing matter??????

It's a rifle. It goes bang.

[mikec62001]

Does it really f.ing matter??????

It's a rifle. It goes bang.

Fine...forget I even asked the question

[lt tahoe]

The guy in the background, mostly hidden by the guy in front--what kind of pants is he wearing? They look pretty sweet.

[muttbutt]

The guy in the background, mostly hidden by the guy in front--what kind of pants is he wearing? They look pretty sweet.
I do believe they are the elite "blood diamond" pant's....sweet indeed

[SMGLee]

I want to know if those are SOCOM SOPMOD block 2 approved bolt cutters. I knew there was a selection competition going on with the spec'ed bolt cutters, but I have not find any documentation on who is the final selection winner. I know the bolt cutter has to be Picatinny rail compatible with MOLLE attachment and a mini red dot sight install for precision cutting. the requirement also need the cutter to be in line with the upcoming IR laser designator which can help the operator slect the proper area to apply pressure. all of this can also be remotely controlled.

[Sloppy Joe2]

Fine...forget I even asked the questionthats right!!! conceed!!

[mikec62001]

I want to know if those are SOCOM SOPMOD block 2 approved bolt cutters. I knew there was a selection competition going on with the spec'ed bolt cutters, but I have not find any documentation on who is the final selection winner. I know the bolt cutter has to be Picatinny rail compatible with MOLLE attachment and a mini red dot sight install for precision cutting. the requirement also need the cutter to be in line with the upcoming IR laser designator which can help the operator slect the proper area to apply pressure. all of this can also be remotely controlled.

You Guys are funny....I love you guys!....lolololololol

[Gromit]

I want to know if those are SOCOM SOPMOD block 2 approved bolt cutters. I knew there was a selection competition going on with the spec'ed bolt cutters, but I have not find any documentation on who is the final selection winner. I know the bolt cutter has to be Picatinny rail compatible with MOLLE attachment and a mini red dot sight install for precision cutting. the requirement also need the cutter to be in line with the upcoming IR laser designator which can help the operator slect the proper area to apply pressure. all of this can also be remotely controlled.
Anything about a bipod to aid in precise cutting and a 90,000,000 lumen LED light for those pesky night-time missions?
p-)

[-[Crosshair]-]

Gun in first pic might be a PKM.

[snake99]

as in the machine gun? I think its too small for that. Don't you have a link to the original video?

[SBL]

as in the machine gun? I think its too small for that. Don't you have a link to the original video?


I like your avatar.

[Seraphim]

-;3059393']Gun in first pic might be a PKM.

X2 definitely a PKM.

[Eddmarkus]

It's definitly some sort of Armalite (AR-15 based) and from size and shape I'd say something like an M4, or maybe as some think the HK counter-part 416. It can be both, since you can make an M4 look almost exacly like a HK416 with the right rail interface and stuff like that.

Do you know where the pic is taken? Because I don't think that the HK416 is in service anywhere right now, it's quite new.

My best bet: Modified M4 with Eotech sighting systems, probably a RIS/RAS, CASV or SIR rail system on it.

OT: The sight is an Eotech 552 or 551 (cant see how long it is), if you wondered :P.

[muttbutt]

It's definitly some sort of Armalite (AR-15 based) and from size and shape I'd say something like an M4, or maybe as some think the HK counter-part 416. It can be both, since you can make an M4 look almost exacly like a HK416 with the right rail interface and stuff like that.

Do you know where the pic is taken? Because I don't think that the HK416 is in service anywhere right now, it's quite new.

My best bet: Modified M4 with Eotech sighting systems, probably a RIS/RAS, CASV or SIR rail system on it.

OT: The sight is an Eotech 552 or 551 (cant see how long it is), if you wondered :P.
You haven't been on here too long?....the HK416 is in US, Polish, Italian, Dutch and a few other's service.p-)

[Masai]

-;3059393']Gun in first pic might be a PKM.

after carefull study of my own video of the hostage rescue, i can sort of remember that the one guy had a pkm.

no i wasnt there, everyone just wants it to be a bloody HK416.

[RB]

HK 416....

After a bit of adjusting, the redi-mag is seen easily as is the slightly larger lower receiver assembly just above the pistol grip.

The slant of the pistol grip is sloped more in this pic than on the M4, the thickness of the pistol grip is slightly thicker than that of an M4, and the length of the pistol grip shown is slightly longer than that of an M4.......IMHO

Not seeing any similarity with the PKM....larger, heavier, not an assaulter weapon [second pic]

[hank]

This thread needs to be archived. Back when it started it was solid gold. But to get the honest and forthright responses we've gotten today is really special.

And Masai is right bc its so clearly a PKM. Its really not even open to debate.

hank

[RB]

This thread needs to be archived. Back when it started it was solid gold. But to get the honest and forthright responses we've gotten today is really special.

And Masai is right bc its so clearly a PKM. Its really not even open to debate.

hank

OK hank....geeeez...again?? 1st Q: Have you ever fired a PKM?

I have, in the sandbox, on the road, at the range, on many occasions.....along with the non similarities to the PKM and the weapon pictured, check the SCAR thread and it's similarities to the rifle in the photo...easy biz...

Another thing about the 'crew-served' PKM....Assaulters do not carry this casualty inducing weapon and a hoolie tool/bolt cutters/breacher tools. Too big and too cumbersome....the PKM's would be on the perimeter...inducing casualties.....

The folks with the 416's and the M4's do carry those tools for just this scenario.....

This one's not worth arguing over but wow.....this one's not even close....

[lightfire]

Not seeing any similarity with the PKM....larger, heavier, not an assaulter weapon [second pic]

congratulations! You've been PKMed!

[Laworkerbee]

OK hank....geeeez...again?? 1st Q: Have you ever fired a PKM?

I have, in the sandbox, on the road, at the range, on many occasions.....along with the non similarities to the PKM and the weapon pictured, check the SCAR thread and it's similarities to the rifle in the photo...easy biz...

Another thing about the 'crew-served' PKM....Assaulters do not carry this casualty inducing weapon and a hoolie tool/bolt cutters/breacher tools. Too big and too cumbersome....the PKM's would be on the perimeter...inducing casualties.....

The folks with the 416's and the M4's do carry those tools for just this scenario.....

This one's not worth arguing over but wow.....this one's not even close....

Lighten up Francis and turn on your sarcasm meter while you are at it.

[yska08]

I want to know if those are SOCOM SOPMOD block 2 approved bolt cutters. I knew there was a selection competition going on with the spec'ed bolt cutters, but I have not find any documentation on who is the final selection winner. I know the bolt cutter has to be Picatinny rail compatible with MOLLE attachment and a mini red dot sight install for precision cutting. the requirement also need the cutter to be in line with the upcoming IR laser designator which can help the operator slect the proper area to apply pressure. all of this can also be remotely controlled.

ROFL roflabsolute 100% pure bred sarcasm! I love it!

[LaoSexMachine]

So PKM is the new Rick Rolled.

[-[Crosshair]-]

My mission is complete.


*runs back into the shadows*

[California Joe]

razor: PKM = "old joke".

See also: RMM (Royal Mud Marines), ToF (Tom of Finland), LTJGJAG, Blood Diamond Pants, Russia Strong, OMFGDeltaOne11One etc...etc..etc...

By the way, hank is a lawyer and he is old school around here.

[RB]

razor: PKM = "old joke".

See also: RMM (Royal Mud Marines), ToF (Tom of Finland), LTJGJAG, Blood Diamond Pants, Russia Strong, OMFGDeltaOne11One etc...etc..etc...

By the way, hank is a lawyer and he is old school around here.

Oh I ate that one pretty hard...dammit!! ...no...wait....let me re-phrase that...lolol
I got a few PM's/VM's 'schooling' me.....thanks guys...uh:bash:lololol
saving that one to memory..... roflrofllmao.......

Thanks again hank!! check his pro!!

[hank]

OK hank....geeeez...again?? 1st Q: Have you ever fired a PKM?

I have, in the sandbox, on the road, at the range, on many occasions.....along with the non similarities to the PKM and the weapon pictured, check the SCAR thread and it's similarities to the rifle in the photo...easy biz...

Another thing about the 'crew-served' PKM....Assaulters do not carry this casualty inducing weapon and a hoolie tool/bolt cutters/breacher tools. Too big and too cumbersome....the PKM's would be on the perimeter...inducing casualties.....

The folks with the 416's and the M4's do carry those tools for just this scenario.....

This one's not worth arguing over but wow.....this one's not even close....

razor, you really need to go get some clinical help. And work on your situational awareness. For someone with your creds you should know that sit awareness is key.

This thread has been a joke since it started. "It looks like a PKM" has been a joke on this forum ever since the day it was first posted. Masai picked up on the hilarity of someone bumping this thread and all the new "expert" opinions about that weapon and I simply commented.

Your obsession with me is unhealthy. And its still a PKM beyond doubt noob and I've never been to the sandbox (except with my four year old) or fired a crew-served weapon or eaten **** in a jungle or any of that stuff. I guess if you are a glass half-full guy you are now a legend. Congratulations. Ain't that "intricate?"

hank

CJ and razor posted while I ws typing this. I reaffirm my request that this thread get archived. Its now platinum.

[Buckeye67]

I think it looks like a PKM.

[hank]

I think it looks like a PKM.

But have you been to the sand box and fired a crew-served weapon, Buck? Have you?

hank

[California Joe]

You type slow, I posted 12 hours ago.

[Buckeye67]

But have you been to the sand box and fired a crew-served weapon, Buck? Have you?

hank


No, but I have had a fiber optic camera* shoved up my posterior, and I got to watch it all live on a 21" color monitor.



*which was crew-served.

[hank]

You type slow, I posted 12 hours ago.

Good point. I amend my statement. I was typing my message while razor was typing. Jeez, Vermont residents are really sticklers for details.

Its still a PKM.

hank

[RB]

Good point. I amend my statement. I was typing my message while razor was typing. Jeez, Vermont residents are really sticklers for details.

Its still a PKM.

hank

good one guys....JKS...Just Keep Smiling and I am.....archive puh-leeze....

Since I really just joined the site and don't know anyone from anyone....I'm learning the hard lessons up front....plz be patient.....

Sitaware?? I'm there....

Thanks out for the 'explanations'.......lmao...really I am!! rofl

[lightfire]

So PKM is the new Rick Rolled.


http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/zDvyDa1h4u4

[theholeinthedonut]

I think it's an HK416 from Heckler & Koch. They are good guns, Delta and the Seals use them.
But they are way overpricedhttp://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w310/theholeinthedonut/Divers/iconyeswq4.gif

[Laworkerbee]

You type slow, I posted 12 hours ago.

Don't be fooled CJ

He doesn't really type at all, in reality he prances about his office swirling his Makers Mark while dictating his posts to some poor paralegal.

[Chulo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/zDvyDa1h4u4
Awesome video- who made it?

[hank]

Don't be fooled CJ

He doesn't really type at all, in reality he prances about his office swirling his Makers Mark while dictating his posts to some poor paralegal.

I deny this in its entirety. I rarely if ever swirl Makers Mark. Stoli and tonic is more like it. Especially in the spring. With a twist. Cuz I'm secure in my manhood. That don't make me gay, does it?

hank

[lightfire]

Awesome video- who made it?

Ai did,

to be used in the future for all similar weapon ID threads

kthxbai

[Laworkerbee]

I deny this in its entirety. I rarely if ever swirl Makers Mark. Stoli and tonic is more like it. Especially in the spring. With a twist. Cuz I'm secure in my manhood. That don't make me gay, does it?

hank

Absolutely not, you would blend in without a problem here in Los Angeles.