Fires continue in Germany, Turks worried

[Clearday-TRForce]

Yet another building where a Turkish family resided went up in flames Monday in the German town of Dautphetal. No deaths or injuries were reported, news agencies said.

This follows another incident in the German city of Ludwigshafen on Feb. 3 where nine Turks died due to a fire in the building they resided in. Turks living in Germany are worried due to these constant fires in places where Turks are in high numbers and demanded the cause of the Ludwigshafen fire be determined rapidly.

It is not in one's hands to not worry. I have a family, Murat Açıkalın told the Turkish Daily News, who has been living in Germany for 40 years. It is not one fire, but like serial murders,he said. Tayfun Çilingir, the president of the Rhein-Main Turkish Association said they were worried too. Every morning when we wake up we feel the distress of what might happen today, he said.

Two other fires erupted in Berlin's Kreuzberg town, another area with a large Turkish population, the Anatolia news agency reported Tuesday. Berlin police officials stated that unidentified people burned paper in front of the wooden door of a building. The other fire occurred in a garage, burning a car completely and damaging two others. Meanwhile, in the other fire in Marburg city's Dauphetal town an old Turkish woman living in the house said she saw two people running near the house and shouting Foreigners out just before the fire started, two local German newspapers reported. A family living in the burned house extinguished the fire in time, preventing serious damage and casualties, the Anatolia news agency reported. Two hours before the fire started the word hass in German, meaning hate in English was written on the building's wall. In the Ludwigshafen fire, the same word was found on the burned house's wall, but it was not clear whether it had been written a long time ago or written in connection to the fire.


What happened in Ludwigshafen?

The investigation into the Ludwigshafen fire is proceeding very slowly, said Çilingir, adding that the German authorities state that they work diligently. However, neither the German media, nor the German authorities have said a word about those latest fires, he said. The media do not write about Ludwigshafen any more either. Is this a good sign or a bad one? Çilingir said.

The Turkish origins deputy of the German Greens in Hesse state, Mürvet Özkan, said there are still question marks whether the fire in Ludwigshafen was an accident or sabotage. This question should be asked. Why are those conclusions about the fire are not in our hands yet? she said.


A worrisome atmosphere

Enmity against foreigners has absolutely increased in the eastern part of Hesse state in cities like Marburg, according to Özkan. Despite their weakness in the parliament, the radical right-wing parties, Die Republikaner and National Democratic Party (NPD) work to organize young people, she said.

Özkan found the latest political and social atmosphere in Germany worrying too. An image was created saying that Turks are not Germans at all and vice versa, Özkan said, there were too many generalizations due to the latest blaze up in politics. This is too dangerous, she said. We need to decrease violence not increase it.


TDN



What is going on in Germany? What do they want?


regards,
CDTRF

[Invisigoth]

Noone, except a violent and tiny right-wing minority condones attacks on foreigners, even if you try to make us sound like a bunch of Nazis again.

Well how about asking the questions why there is an animosity between Germans and Turks? Take a guess.

[tengiz]

It is something everybody knows.Racism is 'in' and foreigners are 'out' in Germany.It is difficult days for Turks of Germany.

[achilles]

Torching Turkish families is way out of line. Erdogan should have been much more careful before talking all this crap about Turkish schools, teachers and all... he didnt have to stirr all this sh.it up...

[bionic]

What is going on in Germany? What do they want?
regards,
CDTRFI got some numbers for you.
In germany around 600 people die in nearly 200.000 reported fires every year.
Every 3rd fire victim is a child. Around 6.000 people suffer heavy injuries a year which are often permanent injuries.
Nearly 60.000 people become slightly injured in these fires.

So 2 fires where Turks have been involved thats 0.001% of 200.000 reported fires.

So iam asking you what do the Turks want from us.

[Clearday-TRForce]

Torching Turkish families is way out of line. Erdogan should have been much more careful before talking all this crap about Turkish schools, teachers and all... he didnt have to stirr all this sh.it up...


and you again jumped.

[Clearday-TRForce]

I got some numbers for you.
In germany around 600 people die in nearly 200.000 reported fires every year.
Every 3rd fire victim is a child. Around 6.000 people suffer heavy injuries a year which are often permanent injuries.
Nearly 60.000 people become slightly injured in these fires.

So 2 fires where Turks have been involved thats 0.001% of 200.000 reported fires.

So iam asking you what do the Turks want from us.



Mate, these numbers are mostly same in everywhere, you know very well what we write here. At least you have seen the last murders. What about these?

[Breakfast in Vegas]

It is something everybody knows.Racism is 'in' and foreigners are 'out' in Germany.It is difficult days for Turks of Germany.
Oh please.

If the German or international press reported every violent attack or rape by Turks on German nationals with the same fervor they are trying to invent a "new fascism" in Germany, the resonance would certainly be different.

[bionic]

you know very well what we write here.Oh yes i do but if i as german or the german media would do the same about german fire victims in foreign countries we would be called NAZI.


Mate, these numbers are mostly same in everywhereSo if these numbers are mostly the same everywhere i don´t understand why if things like this happen in germany there is something special about it.

Hitler is dead for ages we lost WWII its 2008 we have Merkel it can´t get worse.:roll:
Sorry Mate but you will find racism in every country and we can´t do shi** about it unless you brainwash everyone. It´s getting old and annoying to be made responsible for what our forefathers did.The turkish media is going to make me puke.
I have to talk to my sisters friend (he is a turk) and ask him how he feels about all this media fuss. Maybe he can bring me down a little bit.

[Clearday-TRForce]

Oh yes i do but if i as german or the german media would do the same about german fire victims in foreign countries we would be called NAZI.


So if these numbers are mostly the same everywhere i don´t understand why if things like this happen in germany there is something special about it.

Hitler is dead for ages we lost WWII its 2008 we have Merkel it can´t get worse.:roll:
Sorry Mate but you will find racism in every country and we can´t do shi** about it unless you brainwash everyone. It´s getting old and annoying to be made responsible for what our forefathers did.The turkish media media is going to make me puke.
I have to talk to my sisters friend (he is a turk) and ask him how he feels about all this media fuss. Maybe he can bring me down a little bit.


there is an increasing hatred actions against German society against Turks. The matter is not you all fires all something else that is not related to topic. Don't turn thread another side...

I don't call you Nazi, but you have some in Germany.You firstly annoy from this than your forefathers. I have no any intent to accuse of you due to your fathers did in the past. It could be nonsense to judge you for these. This is a different period. Their time was too.

[achilles]

there is an increasing hatred actions against German society against Turks. The matter is not you all fires all something else that is not related to topic. Don't turn thread another side...

I don't call you Nazi, but you have some in Germany.



There are also Nazi's in Greece? So??

[Invisigoth]

there is an increasing hatred actions against German society against Turks. The matter is not you all fires all something else that is not related to topic. Don't turn thread another side...

I don't call you Nazi, but you have some in Germany.You firstly annoy from this than your forefathers. I have no any intent to accuse of you due to your fathers did in the past. It could be nonsense to judge you for these. This is a different period. Their time was too.

Can you point me to the threads that you started in outrage when the Italian Catholic priest was stabbed in the stomach in Turkey? Or your outrage about the German that was tortured to death by your countrymen for his beliefs? In case you conveniently forgot that, here is a link to jock your memory.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/dec/17/turkey.international

I am sure you can't so maybe you should tone down your flame baiting and hatred towards a country that has been a gracious host towards your countrymen for decades despite the unwillingness of a large majority of them to integrate and participate in our society or even their outright rejection of it despite them living comfortably off the benefits they receive.

[bionic]

there is an increasing hatred actions against German society against Turks. The matter is not you all fires all something else that is not related to topic. Don't turn thread another side...The turkish media and Erdogan are making this up they fuel a fire which wasn´t existing so don´t tell me who is turning things. And you are right there is a increasing hatred in germany but not against turks living in germany and being part of our society but against foreign forces who want to give us the as* card on every little thing.


I don't call you Nazi, but you have some in Germany.Yes we have those but i think turkey has their own don´t you think so.
Maybe Turkey can send investigators to germany to hunt ours down and Germany send investigators to turkey to hunt yours and we will be fine.
Sometimes its important to think outside the own box especially for turkey don´t you think you have enough problems on your own? When turkey fixed their own problems they can come back at the table and start to talk about other problems but till then its a a long way to go.

[Clearday-TRForce]

Can you point me to the threads that you started in outrage when the Italian Catholic priest was stabbed in the stomach in Turkey? Or your outrage about the German that was tortured to death by your countrymen for his beliefs? In case you conveniently forgot that, here is a link to jock your memory.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/dec/17/turkey.international

I am sure you can't so maybe you should tone down your flame baiting and hatred towards a country that has been a gracious host towards your countrymen for decades despite the unwillingness of a large majority of them to integrate and participate in our society or even their outright rejection of it despite them living comfortably off the benefits they receive.



drawing a thread to personnal debate level must be something about denying on exact subject. It seems you don't like to write or see that kind of thread which is directly related to your extreme buddies. You must be worry for them while I worry for our idiots who killed the beloved priest. But you know it is different thread issue and also posted and debated.

Don't force yourself to block a guy which shows you these things. this must be outrage from you. Not from me.

[Nephilim]

these debates are really getting annoying.
as others previously posted, just because another house of a turkish family went aflame doesnt necessary mean its another racial act....
that just bollocks.
im not saying its not but it might just be stired up because of the latest events.
theres been other flats/houses of turkish families aflame in the past, but no one started shouting "racists!"
why dont other ethnic start claiming such things here in germany if their belongings get burned down in an accident? funny eh?
get serious.

and before you start throwing **** into the fan better stfu..
cause as you say it yourself
What is going on in Germany? What do they want?
you have no clue

so dont draw false conclusions or prejudices.
just because we have some right-wing assholes here doesnt mean the whole country acts the same way.

on the other side i can understand some folks here as many turkish "youngsters" are acting like the last ass on earth and put the turkish people in a wrong light... prolly just like those red winged idiots...

the whole stroy just got balloned up thats all..


id wonder how the situation would be for german residents in turkey, if exactly the same thing happend over there.
i bet there were some german killed, beaten up, or robbed over in turkey but noone started screaming and shouting racists..


stay sick...

[Clearday-TRForce]

you still no clue too...Why? reread the article before posting anyting here what you think.

[bionic]

drawing a thread to personnal debate level must be something about denying on exact subject. It seems you don't like to write or see that kind of thread which is directly related to your extreme buddies. You must be worry for them while I worry for our idiots who killed the beloved priest. But you know it is different thread issue and also posted and debated.

Don't force yourself to block a guy which shows you these things. this must be outrage from you. Not from me.

No your very first post in your thread made it a personal debate and it seems more like you can´t stand it to be pointed at your own extreme buddies.
No one denies that there are Nazis in germany but we can handle this problem as much as turkey can handle their own problems.
Every german takes it personal if foreign media calls us incapable of dealing with our own problems as much as turks, brits, french, russian... would do. No more no less.

It astonishes me how often you read about turkish media blaming others for her impotence ---> not accepting their own

[chas]

Just in case someone gets a wrong image from the "turks in Germany issue":

I lived in the turkish area (or the part of the city with the highest turks and arabs inhabitants rate) of Cologne for half a year and let me tell you this: relations couldnt have been better: turks looked more and more like germans and germans like turks every day.

[Clearday-TRForce]

Just in case someone gets a wrong image from the "turks in Germany issue":

I lived in the turkish area (or the part of the city with the highest turks and arabs inhabitants rate) of Cologne for half a year and let me tell you this: relations couldnt have been better: turks looked more and more like germans and germans like turks every day.


thank you for your kindly post. As you know people post their intentions/secret feelings under real facts. What I posted is related to some nazi jobs and they still can harm relations among societies. that is it.

[Invisigoth]

thank you for your kindly post. As you know people post their intentions/secret feelings under real facts. What I posted is related to some nazi jobs and they still can harm relations among societies. that is it.

Definitly can't harm them as solidly as your government does. Oh and saying that some internet posters personal experience is fact rather than feelings is the dumbest thing I've read in a while.

[bionic]

they still can harm relations among societies.

They only can if we let them to harm us, they want attention and we give them what they want. And the real extremists don´t want to be seen in the media waving flowers they want exactly those stupid media you are giving them. Maybe there was no racist background in those fires so that makes it 2:0 for the Nazis and they haven´t to do anything for it.

But keep on you sure will proof me the other side of the coin.:hug:

[muck]

It is something everybody knows.Racism is 'in' and foreigners are 'out' in Germany.It is difficult days for Turks of Germany.
You apparently don't know anything about the integration issues here in Germany.

[Fuschimuschi]

It looks more and more like the fire in Ludwigshafen that started all this fuss was not an rascist attack and I didn't hear anyone expressing their regret about accusing Germans of doing it (especially Hürriyet should apologize).


I wonder if he feels any shame? I doubt it.
My blood is boiling seeing that.
http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa311/lancero22/fevereiro/7867e689.jpg

[tengiz]

Can you teach me please if you know better than me?
But I know 5 Turkish children were burned to death in L.hawen.



You apparently don't know anything about the integration issues here in Germany.

[frenchy]

Are there kurds in Germany ?

[bionic]

Are there kurds in Germany ?

We have everything you want here in germany so let us know if you want some we are willing to hand them over.rofl sorry only joking couldn´t resist.


Can you teach me please if you know better than me?
But I know 5 Turkish children were burned to death in L.hawen.
So they where turkish but it is not more tragic then every other children in the world who died in a fire. May they all rest in peace and don´t let us fight a media war over their dead bodies thats respectless.

[tengiz]

We have everything you want here in germany so let us know if you want some we are willing to hand them over.rofl sorry only joking couldn´t resist.



So they where turkish but it is not more tragic then every other children in the world who died in a fire. May they all rest in peace and don´t let us fight a media war over their dead bodies thats respectless.

This is the thin line where racism starts.When you talk about peoples' lifes as they are vegitables or goods(joke or not) i can guess the end of the way you are walking on now.

this is not a conferance about problems of children of the world.We were talking on L.hawen,if you have an idea about it let us know.

[Xaito]

It is something everybody knows.Racism is 'in' and foreigners are 'out' in Germany.It is difficult days for Turks of Germany.
You'll have a hard time finding a country more tolerant then Germany and are still complaining... great.

[tengiz]

You'll have a hard time finding a country more tolerant then Germany and are still complaining... great.

What?i am not living there,thank God.
I am not looking for a country also.
Maybe you are searching for some foreigners on the streets?
It is like you are not happy to share your country's prosperity with others.

[b0sco]

At least you have seen the last murders. What about these?

What 'murders'?

[Xaito]

What?i am not living there,thank God.
Thank god indeed.

[Frutzel]

What?i am not living there,thank God.
I am not looking for a country also.
Maybe you are searching for some foreigners on the streets?
It is like you are not happy to share your country's prosperity with others.

Why should we share with unthankfull people?!I know what you are after but you wont get it!

[bionic]

This is the thin line where racism starts.When you talk about peoples' lifes as they are vegitables or goods(joke or not) i can guess the end of the way you are walking on now.You must have missed Kaya Yanar very popular here in germany if i walk a thin line he crossed it and he is not a german. But you are right my humor should not be your humor and if you are searching the nazi in me you will fail but maybe you want to ask one of my russian or polish employees so don´t try to put me in the right corner.


this is not a conferance about problems of children of the world.We were talking on L.hawen,if you have an idea about it let us know.What is making this children different to others around the world? Exactly nothing! So tell me what idea i should have? At the moment it seems like it was an accident which caused the fire. Horrible things like this happen every second around the world and you don´t read about it.

But maybe we germans also invented the earthquakes in turkey who knows but plz. don´t tell this your media.

[muck]

But I know 5 Turkish children were burned to death in L.hawen.

Fact: 60 people, the majority of them illegal immigrants, live in a house registered for twelve people. They don't let house maintenance service in anymore, supposedly to prevent unveiling of their status. Either due to lacking maintenance or to illegal taking of electricity - not disclosed yet-, a fire starts in the basement. The fire department and the police reach the scene within minutes, and risk their own lives while trying to save the people from the house which is already engulfed in flames.
Tragically, 9 people die.
Whose fault is it? Of course, it is the fault of the ze evil Germans. And yes, that's why Turks all over Germany think they have a right to beat the **** out of firefighters now - because someone who isn't speaking German either has told them that a cousin of him has heard by the friend of a friend that the German fire department intentionally slows down when a Turk is dialling 112.

Germans feel like immigrants will trample them down soon. It is an essential part of the nature of a modern German to think defensive and to intentionally look the other way when something happens, whilst immigrants tend to demand all their rights loud-voiced. But at least a part of them obviously doesn't accept both the values and the laws we all have to abide by. A third of all violent crimes in Germany are committed by immigrants which only represent about 8% of the overall population. At least two thirds of all reported social welfare benefits abuses are committed by immigrants.

The average German is no racist - he is too lazy to bother himself with the ****load of accusations and 'public recognition' in which a racist comment in Germany usually results -, he just encounters the situation in his country with caution and reservation. Period.

[Breakfast in Vegas]

relations couldnt have been better: turks looked more and more like germans and germans like turks every day.
That would explain some of the problems with German youth today, alter.


It is like you are not happy to share your country's prosperity with others.
Share? You mean like welfare? LMFAO.

[muck]

Concerning the blaze of Ludwigshafen:
The responsible state prosecutor has reported that both girls who stated that they had seen a men handling open fire in the hall of their house have revoked their testimony.

No evidence of arson, no witnesses of arson.

[Hollis]

Before you evoke the cry of racism, where is the facts. As tragic as the fire was and the lost of lives, it is still not know who caused, what caused and why (if someone did).

Germany is a big country one act or two does not necessary mean anything. As it has been mentioned in this thread, "This happens in all countries." No country can prevent acts of racism by a minority. This goes for any crime also.

Blasting the Germany is no different than blasting Turkey for violence there. It does not do any good, for relationships between people to start accusing them with out facts.

I don't this thread going anywhere. So it is closed.

I don't care for nationalistic bashing.