Ahmadinejad think the US should apologize...I say STFU

[Solomin]

Seriously, I can never get enough of this guy.



Ahmadinejad: US Should Apologize to Iran http://www.breitbart.com/images/common/dot.gif Feb 23 02:56 PM US/Eastern

TEHRAN, Iran (AP) - Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad called on the U.S. and its allies Saturday to "apologize" to Iran for accusing it of seeking nuclear weapons—a day after the U.N. nuclear watchdog released its latest report on Iran's atomic program. Ahmadinejad said the report by the International Atomic Energy Agency (http://search.breitbart.com/q?s=%22International+Atomic%20Energy%20Agency%22&sid=breitbart.com) vindicated Iran and warned that Tehran would take unspecified "reciprocal measures" against any country that imposed additional sanctions against Iran. The IAEA report (http://search.breitbart.com/q?s=%22IAEA+report%22&sid=breitbart.com) said several past questions about Iran's nuclear program (http://search.breitbart.com/q?s=%22Iran%27s+nuclear%20program%22&sid=breitbart.com) had been resolved, but highlighted Tehran's continued refusal to halt uranium enrichment (http://search.breitbart.com/q?s=%22uranium+enrichment%22&sid=breitbart.com). Ahmadinejad said in a televised address (http://search.breitbart.com/q?s=%22televised+address%22&sid=breitbart.com) to the nation that the best way for the U.S. and its allies to "compensate for their mistakes" is to "apologize and pay compensation." "If they continue" pursuing sanctions, he said, "we have definitely drawn up reciprocal measures." Ahmadinejad did not elaborate.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8V07M400&show_article=1
Pay compensation? Are his feelings hurt?

[fmj43]

That little **** is such a freaking disgrace its not even funny anymore

[Solomin]

He could always try to bring his financial compensation claim to the ICJ...

[CreepingDeath]

Im getting sick of all his jokes...

and im tired to ask "when is he ever gonna give up?"

[Calanen]

and im tired to ask "when is he ever gonna give up?"


Never - because, it distracts the population from the real problems which are his to solve, poverty, joblessness - a crap economy - even though they are sitting on billions in oil and gas. If you can blame someone else for your woes, people look externally, and not inwardly at you.

[Power_serj]

Not before Iran apologizes and sends compensation for: illegally kidnapping our diplomats in '79, assisting Hezbollah in bombing the Marine barracks in Beirut, spreading radical Islam through the Middle East, attempting to build nuclear weapons for regional dominance, threatening to blow up Israel, mistreating their own people, and killing our troops and sending weapons to insurgents who are killing our troops in Iraq.

[Flagg]

Not before Iran apologizes and sends compensation for: illegally kidnapping our diplomats in '79, assisting Hezbollah in bombing the Marine barracks in Beirut, spreading radical Islam through the Middle East, attempting to build nuclear weapons for regional dominance, threatening to blow up Israel, mistreating their own people, and killing our troops and sending weapons to insurgents who are killing our troops in Iraq.

All true......

So what are your thoughts on the US toppling a democratically elected government in Iran in 1953?

And efforts to ensure both sides lost in the 80-89 Iran/Iraq War?

A thousand appologies going in eleventeen different directions would be entirely inadequate for and from all sides.


Ahmadinejad is an idiot.......but I doubt many of those posting thus far have a clear understanding of the REALLY bad stuff committed on all sides in US/Iran and related party relations since WWII.

[Mr.Flint]

All true......

So what are your thoughts on the US toppling a democratically elected government in Iran in 1953?

And efforts to ensure both sides lost in the 80-89 Iran/Iraq War?

A thousand appologies going in eleventeen different directions would be entirely inadequate for and from all sides.


Ahmadinejad is an idiot.......but I doubt many of those posting thus far have a clear understanding of the REALLY bad stuff committed on all sides in US/Iran and related party relations since WWII.
You mean the US and Britain toppling the goverment in Iran?p-)

[CreepingDeath]

Never - because, it distracts the population from the real problems which are his to solve, poverty, joblessness - a crap economy - even though they are sitting on billions in oil and gas. If you can blame someone else for your woes, people look externally, and not inwardly at you.

I understand that. frankly speaking, I ask that imaginable question to myself.

thanks for the info. btw

[fmj43]

Flagg,

I can't speak for all who posted thus far, but I can speak from the perspective of someone who has had the opportunity to analyze Iran/US relations from both an academic and a diplomatic perspective. Slight apologies notwithstanding from the US for historically political interests, the Iranian regime has done a bang up job of ensuring that it is going to owe "apologies", to both it's neighbors and the west, for a very long time.

[salmagundi]

All true......

So what are your thoughts on the US toppling a democratically elected government in Iran in 1953?


My thoughts are that it was in 1953.

I don't think the incumbents in Iran have ever faced a free & fair election themselves.

[Xaito]

The US have falsely accused Iran, imposed sanctions on it and urged half of the world community to follow their lead.
I think Iran has the right to be not pleased about it.

[Mr.Flint]

The US have falsely accused Iran, imposed sanctions on it and urged half of the world community to follow their lead.
I think Iran has the right to be not pleased about it.
Riiiiiiight....:roll:

[fmj43]

The US have falsely accused Iran, imposed sanctions on it and urged half of the world community to follow their lead.
I think Iran has the right to be not pleased about it.

I think we have a winner :cantbeli:

[Xaito]

Riiiiiiight....:roll:

read the article again - also read this one:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/dec/04/politics.topstories3

what they do is continue their enrichment program - not weapon program

[martinexsquaddie]

if its so innocent why's it underground surrounded by aaa:(

[Snoshi]

if its so innocent why's it underground surrounded by aaa:(

And why is Iran hiding so many things about it?

I posted this in an other thread

Iranian delay tactics continue. They make a pretense of cooperating with the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA). They show them this or that document. They respond truthfully to this or that question and go back to their malevolent ways. They deny. They lie. They refuse to respond, or they claim that the material they are shown is fabricated. Thus Iran's evasive tactics have persisted for five years, all with the goal of playing for time. It seeks to deflect pressures and to please at least some governments, particularly Russia and China, considered the weak links in the international effort of the major powers, to expose the Iranian deceit and impose more sanctions.

The new IAEA report - 15 reports have already been written about Iran's nuclear project - like its predecessors, finds it hard to decide where Iran is headed; whether its nuclear plans are really for peaceful purposes as it claims, or in order to develop a nuclear weapon, as the United States, the European Union and Israel claim, and as at least some of the findings attest, in the present report as well.

To what end did Iran secretly purchase Pulonium 210, if not to manufacture a nuclear warhead? Why did Iran experiment with particularly high-powered explosives if not to test its capability in the chain reaction? Why did it purchase thousands of magnets abroad and not report them? Why was it found to possess blueprints for the manufacture of a nuclear warhead ? Why is Iran engaging in uranium enrichment, if not to have full control over the fuel cycle so as to manufacture highly enriched uranium itself? All this is in addition to many other discoveries made possible only by precise intelligence that anonymous intelligence agencies trubled to pass on to the IAEA so it could verify it with Iran.

Not every part of the report is so bleak, however. The inspectors also found that Iran is having trouble operating the centrifuges in the unranium-enrichment facility at Natanz. Israeli and U.S. officials are mad at IAEA chief Dr. Mohamed ElBaradei, who time after time has been willing to fall into the Iranian trap. But the truth is that he has few options. The organization is a reflection of the international community. Its formulations - combining diplomatic and technical language - must satisfy the contrasting interests of the West, Russia and China, and the bloc of non-aligned countries, while being professionally faithful to what its inspectors discover.

The IAEA has no independent intelligence capabilities. It has no powers of coercion; the cooperation of IAEA members is voluntary. Thus, its reports read like intelligence reports, with their "on the one hand..." and "on the other hand..." They contain everything. Both soft censure of Iran as well as praise.

The anger should be directed at the five permanent members of the UN Security Council, with their veto powers. They are finding it difficult to reach consensus because of numerous conflicts of interest. Russia and China refuse to impose on Iran meaningful sanctions that might persuade its hard-line leadership into concluding that the benefits of working to acquire nuclear weapons are outweighed by economic losses. But that is not happening and it will not happen. Russia and China will continue to conduct a different and even adversarial foreign policy toward the U.S. and the EU. In any case, why should complaints be directed against Moscow and Beijing if U.S. intelligence, in its enormous stupidity two months ago, gave Iran a "character reference" when it determined that Iran had frozen its military nuclear plans in 2003.

In the absence of international concensus, Iran will continue to mock and play for time. Israel's intelligence assessment has not changed. Within one and a half to two years Iran will have a nuclear weapon, unless it is stopped. In other words, the new report contains little that is new. It only moves up the deadline by which the Israeli leadership must decide whether to attack Iran's nuclear sites.
http://haaretz.com/hasen/spages/957170.html[/QUOTE]

[Flagg]

My thoughts are that it was in 1953.

I don't think the incumbents in Iran have ever faced a free & fair election themselves.

So an event that occured 55 years ago(US led coup of Iran) is irrelevent, but an event that occured 29 years ago(Iran taking US embassy and hostages) isn't?

I fail to see your logic

[Flagg]

Flagg,

I can't speak for all who posted thus far, but I can speak from the perspective of someone who has had the opportunity to analyze Iran/US relations from both an academic and a diplomatic perspective. Slight apologies notwithstanding from the US for historically political interests, the Iranian regime has done a bang up job of ensuring that it is going to owe "apologies", to both it's neighbors and the west, for a very long time.

Slight apologies?

you must not be Iranian......how would you feel if your democratically elected government was removed and replaced with a dictator who used an horrific US supported intelligence agency(SAVAK) to silence, torture, and murder any opposition?

How would you feel if your nation's treasury was used to prop up US and western economic interests at a time when your nation's people enjoyed a mere fraction of "allied" quality of life?

How about having hundreds of your fellow citizens murdered in an accidental shootdown(Iranian Airbus by USS Vincennes). terrible accidents happen......but giving the ship's commander a medal for killing civilians when he should have been hammered is borderline politically criminal.

I'd be pissed........a public apology could go a long way in rectifying any festering resentment.

taking the viewpoint of a westerner I agree Iran has a bigger burden to bear in rectifying the relationship.

But from an Iranian perspecive it's easy to see where a substantial duty is needed from the west as well.

In my opinion, while Iran's nuclear ambitions must be taken seriously and dealt with decisively......I feel the greater threat eminates from the giant awkward fart in the room....irresponsible US Dollar hegemony.

Iranian efforts to trade oil in various currencies, much like FX currency pairs, instead of exclusively in USD has the potential to accelerate any shift away from US dollar reserve currency status......but that's not illegal...that's shrewd business...and quite possibly a substanial reason for US hawkish stance on Iran if the US license to print money is disrupted.

[dava]

well, you are probably going to be hammered about it
But great post, i fully share your view.

[Mr.Flint]

read the article again - also read this one:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/dec/04/politics.topstories3

what they do is continue their enrichment program - not weapon program
Did you even bother to read the report itself? or you just parroting some dumbass journos?
Evryone seems to miss one of the most important parts of that report, that said that the authors are not certain that the weapons program wasnt restarted.

Besides not only the authors backtracked already, but even the IAEA is not so sure anymore in light of new information....

[Xaito]

Did you even bother to read the report itself? or you just parroting some dumbass journos?
Evryone seems to miss one of the most important parts of that report, that said that the authors are not certain that the weapons program wasnt restarted.

Besides not only the authors backtracked already, but even the IAEA is not so sure anymore in light of new information....

I see you've made up your mind already though - seems you don't need any proof to be hostile towards Iran.
Go ahead - support another war because of non existing WMD's - I still think it's wrong.
It's really surprising how fast an enemy and deep hatered can be created though - I always thought it can only be acchieved by a life-long indoctrination like in the case of the cold war - guess I was wrong judging by some comments on threads about Iran.

[seraosha]

Gosh, as my uncle barely escaped with his family from Tehran during the halcyon days of hostages and embassies being stormed, I guess encountering people that have good reason for disliking the current Iranian regime must come as a shocker.

Screw Iran and the Mullahs.

[Mr.Flint]

I see you've made up your mind already though - seems you don't need any proof to be hostile towards Iran.
Go ahead - support another war because of non existing WMD's - I still think it's wrong.
It's really surprising how fast an enemy and deep hatered can be created though - I always thought it can only be acchieved by a life-long indoctrination like in the case of the cold war - guess I was wrong judging by some comments on threads about Iran.
If more than 20 years of Iran's hostility, 15 of which i had the "pleasure" to feel, is "fast" in your scale, who am i to argue it then :cantbeli:

And it appears that you made up your mind too, it appears that no proof whatsoever will change your position.

I at least read the report, and found that it not as clear cut as journos would lead you to believe.
There is no "OH NOZ IRAN IZ TEH INUSHENS" in that report.

[Snoshi]

Susumu Iran have WMD's..

[Xaito]

Susumu Iran have WMD's..

I meant nuclear WMD's.

[Mastermind]

Yes, I agree...Iran has been such a good world community citizen...what with her not calling for the distruction of other neighborhood states and such. Iran, the sainly state, has so much good about her.

[0rphie]

Yes, I agree...Iran has been such a good world community citizen...what with her not calling for the distruction of other neighborhood states and such. Iran, the sainly state, has so much good about her.
When Iran is calling for a destruction of a state, the US and allies are actually is destroying quite a few states (Iraq, Serbia just two). There is a difference between words and actions

[Lt-Col A. Tack]

When Iran is calling for a destruction of a state, the US and allies are actually is destroying quite a few states (Iraq, Serbia just two). There is a difference between words and actions


As far as Iraq goes, we're spending quite a bit to build it up.

[Solomin]

If anyone actually read the NIE or any good OpEds about they would know the footnotes clearly stated the NIE says Iran stopped ONE of the projects necessary to complete a nuclear missile. The other portions are still progressing.

[0rphie]

As far as Iraq goes, we're spending quite a bit to build it up.
before 2003 Iraqis did not have shortages of electricity of pure water, now they do. the place is a mess now. What the US is spending on rebuilding goes mostly to corporate pockets that sell a six pack of cola for $18 paid for by the US taxpayers. Is that what you call a rebuilding? How many building have we destroyed and how many have we built?

[Solomin]

before 2003 Iraqis did not have shortages of electricity of pure water, now they do. the place is a mess now. What the US is spending on rebuilding goes mostly to corporate pockets that sell a six pack of cola for $18 paid for by the US taxpayers. Is that what you call a rebuilding? How many building have we destroyed and how many have we built?

It's not over until it's over. What you are really saying in your statement is that we haven't rebuilt it quick enough for your liking. When put that way it sounds pretty weak.

[Xaito]

As far as Iraq goes, we're spending quite a bit to build it up.

how many victims have you raised from the dead with your money?



what with her not calling for the distruction of other neighborhood states and such. Iran, the sainly state, has so much good about her.
don't forget that Iran is not one person. Not even the few persons who controll it.
Military actions as well as sanctions will always hit normal people and soldiers who just defend and work for their country - not the ones responsible for whatever you're upset about.

[Lt-Col A. Tack]

before 2003 Iraqis did not have shortages of electricityWrong. Baghdad did have plenty of power and that only because Hussein ordered it to be so.


of pure water, now they do. the place is a mess now.
It was a mess during Saddam's rule, it was a mess as a result of the poor leadership of Hussein during his wars with his neighbors, and it became more of a mess as a result of the sanctions regime.

Communities that have never had sanitation are receiving them as a result of action by the new, more representative government in Iraq.

We're making but it will take time. Try doing some independent investigation on the subject.


What the US is spending on rebuilding goes mostly to corporate pockets We pay corporations to do the work; where there are problems, Inspectors General and possibly CBO can provide oversight and notification to Congress.


Is that what you call a rebuilding?Yup


How many building have we destroyed and how many have we built?You're saying we destroyed the homes of average Iraqis during the invasion? Don't think so. Strikes targeted the Ba'athist leadership.

[Lt-Col A. Tack]

how many victims have you raised from the dead with your money?Probably about as many as have been prevented from dying by the inaction of the international community, including Europe and the UN.

[0rphie]

Wrong. Baghdad did have plenty of power and that only because Hussein ordered it to be so.


It was a mess during Saddam's rule, it was a mess as a result of the poor leadership of Hussein during his wars with his neighbors, and it became more of a mess as a result of the sanctions regime.

Communities that have never had sanitation are receiving them as a result of action by the new, more representative government in Iraq.

We're making but it will take time. Try doing some independent investigation on the subject.

We pay corporations to do the work; where there are problems, Inspectors General and possibly CBO can provide oversight and notification to Congress.

Yup

You're saying we destroyed the homes of average Iraqis during the invasion? Don't think so. Strikes targeted the Ba'athist leadership.

I respect your believes but I believe in facts
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2007/jul2007/iraq-j31.shtml
unless you can disprove that.
However this is not supposed to be another Iraq thread, but rather discussion whether Iran is destroying other countries. We have not seen hard fact supporting that

[Lt-Col A. Tack]

However this is not supposed to be another Iraq thread, but rather discussion whether Iran is destroying other countries. We have not seen hard fact supporting thatOnly Hezbollah?



And your information on Iraq is a bit dated.

[Indianer]

Can we apologize by airdropping millions of Danish editorial cartoons?