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RSK
05-25-2004, 04:20 AM
AP, May 10, 2003
Croatia Plans to Build Monument to Honor its Nazis

ZAGREB, Croatia -- The Croatian government announced Thursday it plans to buy land in southern Austria to build a monument honoring thousands of Croat Nazi troops and civilians who were killed in the aftermath of World War II.

The announcement came just a few days ahead of Sunday's anniversary of the 1945 killings of tens of thousands of Croat soldiers and civilians who fled to Austria in fear of reprisals from Yugoslav partizans.

They gathered in Bleiburg, a small town near the then-Yugoslav border, waiting for days while the British authorities who were in charge of that part of Austria decided on their fate.

The British eventually sent the crowd back to Yugoslavia, where vengeful partizans in Yugoslavia killed tens of thousands.

The event is surrounded by controversy, but Vice Prime Minister Goran Granic said a memorial was needed anyway.

"We owe it to the victims," Granic said, adding the land purchase should be carried out in a "dignified way, without any influence of politics." Negotiations about the land purchase have yet to be launched, and it was not immediately clear whether the owners were willing to sell the land.

Croatia was a Nazi puppet state during World War II. Hundreds, of thousands of Jews, Serbs, Gypsies were killed in Croat-run concentration camps from 1941 to 1945.

In Croatia, the events at Bleiburg have been disputed for decades.

The communist authorities of the former Yugoslavia that Croatia was part of until 1991 sought to diminish the killings. The nationalist government of the late President Franjo Tudjman revived and magnified memories of Bleiburg while diminishing crimes committed by Croatia's Nazis.

The pro-Western government that took power 3 1/2 years ago has tried to take an impartial stand, condemning both Nazi and communist wrongdoings.

It has assisted the reconstruction of Jasenovac, the most notorious Croat and Nazi-run concentration camp, and President Stipe Mesic will attend the anniversary of a foiled inmates' escape this Sunday.

Croatian nationalists exaggerate the number of those killed and claim the atrocities committed after the Bleiburg journey were worse than those carried out by Croatia's wartime pro-Nazi rulers.

Many Croats argue that killings following the Bleiburg, known in Croatia as The Way of Crosses, shows that the postwar communist authorities were just as fierce killers as the fascists.

OB Kenobi
05-25-2004, 06:33 AM
There seems to be alot of pro-Nazi activity in the "New Europe" lately. Anyone else notice this? Although, the funny thing is that most of it isn't coming from Germany but countries Germany conquered. Maybe they miss their old masters' sausages?

Marmot1
05-25-2004, 07:28 AM
Kenobi maybe you don't realize but for Latvians Lithuanians Estonians,Belorussians,Ukrainians,Croats and many others confromtatnom betwern Germany and Soviet union was their only possibility to regain independence all mentioned above countries except croatia were part of the soviet union (ukraine, belarus) or were invaded and anected by soviets at the begining of war. Germans gave them oportunity to create own army altrought under german control and gave them oportunity to fight with former ocupant (soviet union). As for croatia... it was part of yugoslavia which was dominated by serbs befeore and after war, so when germans conquered Yugoslavia in spring 1941 they sought oportunity to gain some kind of independence... for germans it was OK also, they had this terrain under their control, with runing administration, they did not had to deploy their own troops to control this area.... and aditionally theey had troops willing to fight comunists (tito or soviets) The same aply to Romania... they were German alies not becouse of Nazi ideology but becouse Soviet union anexed part of their country (Besarabia) so when war started with soviet union they sought oportunity to regain their teritories from soviets. Most of ppl in those countries were not nazis, they simply wanted to regain independence and since it was inposible to get with Soviet cooperation they tried to do so with German help.

ikurinturbiini
05-25-2004, 07:35 AM
Must be a new fad or something.

fdt
05-25-2004, 07:39 AM
There seems to be alot of pro-Nazi activity in the "New Europe" lately. Anyone else notice this? Although, the funny thing is that most of it isn't coming from Germany but countries Germany conquered. Maybe they miss their old masters' sausages?Another well informed "specialist" on "New" European affairs... Knows sh*t and spreads it all around... You say "alot of pro-nazi activity in the "New Europe".... I say gimme examples... Skinhead related groups? Show me which "Old" European country doesn't have these scu*bags... Maybe You've heard of some newly opened concentration camps or nazi legislation in "New" European countries... so enlighten us all.

Pro nazi political movements in governments (country's and local)... ohh yes there are ... but in Austria (Haider's party) and Italy (Lega Nord)... Who was the second voted candidate of chauvinistic and extreme right in presidential elections... wasn't it France' Le Pen?... Do these countries count as "New" Europe?

fdt
05-25-2004, 07:45 AM
Must be a new fad or something. Nope, it's old BS... I think some should watch their own backyard first, before making moronic generalizing accusations on other peoples/nations...