Worries about Barack Obama's security

[Afro-European]

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/25/us/politics/25memo.html?ref=politics

[Maktab]

This is ridiculous; why is Obama more at risk than any other candidate? Because he's black? Please, it's not like the few neo-Nazi nutcases still active in the US are either numerous or competent. He's certainly far safer than George W. Bush since, last time I checked, Arab terrorists had proven rather more effective at the whole terrorism thing.

To be honest, I actually think there's a sick group of liberals who secretly *want* Obama to be assassinated so that all their wet dreams about the true nature of 'Amerikkka' can be proven correct, and they're scaring the hell out of the sane people around Obama. The sheer number of articles and posts written in almost religious awe about the future assassination of Obama are beyond creepy, and they're written by his supporters.

There's some weird people out there.

[Hollis]

MakTab, I am with you. All candidates are at risk so will be who ever is elected. I think the media is trying it's best to sell Obama as the chosen one.

I guess we will see.

[I can't think of a name]

People with a distorted view of the USA are the ones bringing this up.

I am sure they were not concerned with all the nasty threats against our current president. But if Obama gets harmed than it all the sudden casts a racial shadow on this nation?

But then again, Obama is the messiah.

[vryhpyammoadded]

My god, here we go with yet another crappy article reeking of overly melodramatic cult of Obama gunk.

“He represents so much hope and change. That is exactly what was taken away from us in the 1960s.”
:roll:
I’d be inclined to agree that a goodly number of these fools are enraptured to the idea of getting another martyred saint to shove “change” in his sanctified name down our throats.
You’re correct; it is creepy but I would bet most politicians and especially the media would leverage that power in a heartbeat should it happen.

By the way, I'd also bet he's more threatened now than the others because of this very swooning change cult language the media is marketing. God, it must be maddening working his security.

[Jackal01400]

If he's at such a great risk... he should step down. ;)

[cough]McCain '08[cough]

[Bongopete]

[quote=Jackal01400;3071250]If he's at such a great risk... he should step down. ;)

I agree, do we really want a President who everyone is going to be convinced is going to be killed?
He is more likely to be killed by one of his rabid follower/stalkers.

[dangerclose]

This is ridiculous; why is Obama more at risk than any other candidate? Because he's black? Please, it's not like the few neo-Nazi nutcases still active in the US are either numerous or competent.




It only takes one and you don't have to be competent to get a job at say ... a book depository.
I'm against basically everything he stands for but I would pray for his safety if he was prez.

I think Obama would be in the greatest danger of losing his life if Hillary was his vice president. You can imagine her crocodile tears at the state funeral.

[California Joe]

Didn't we already have a long thread on this when some mouthy old broad said he'd be shot if he became President?

I think it's blatantly obvious that most of the media is smoking his pole right now. It's laughable. SNL even had a skit about it. I have yet to here how all this orgasmic change is supposed to happen.

[Chulo]

MakTab, I am with you. All candidates are at risk so will be who ever is elected. I think the media is trying it's best to sell Obama as the chosen one.

I guess we will see.
Obama = The Messiah & The Mahdi? (http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/02/25/obama-the-messiah-the-mahdi/)


http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/02/25/obama-the-messiah-the-mahdi/

[Createdeemcee]

Here's a nice slide show of some of the SS details with Mr. Obama

http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2008/02/25/us/politics/20080225SECURITY_11.html

[IraGlacialis]

I have yet to here how all this orgasmic change is supposed to happen.
When you put it that way... :|

[Invisigoth]

He's certainly far safer than George W. Bush since, last time I checked, Arab terrorists had proven rather more effective at the whole terrorism thing. I had to laugh pretty hard at that one. You should've been here when your President rolled into Germany with his 1000 people entourage and the citizens of the town he visited were not even allowed to go to their windows, while outside the gutters were being welded shut and the surrounding major motorways were being shut down so he could pass without anyone ever getting even remotely close to him. (i.e. kilometer close)

The security was so ridiculously over the top it was almost comical.

[Chulo]

I had to laugh pretty hard at that one. You should've been here when your President rolled into Germany with his 1000 people entourage and the citizens of the town he visited were not even allowed to go to their windows, while outside the gutters were being welded shut and the surrounding major motorways were being shut down so he could pass without anyone ever getting even remotely close to him. (i.e. kilometer close)

The security was so ridiculously over the top it was almost comical.
When you are protecting a head of state when is it ever "over the top"

[Mastermind]

Joe, Obama and Milo Minderbinder are the only two people on this earth, even though one of them is a completely fictional charachter, who can buy eggs in Malta for seven cents, sell them in Milan for five cents and make a profit.

Here...you can see for yourself...with special compliments to Joseph Heller and his book, "Catch 22" - quote-

"I don't understand why you buy eggs at seven cents a piece in Malta and sell them for five cents."

"I do it to make a profit."

"But how can you make a profit? You lose two cents an egg."

"But I make a profit of three and a quarter cents an egg by selling them at four and a quarter cents an egg to the people in Malta I buy them from for seven cents an egg. Of course, I don't make the profit. The syndicate makes the profit. And everybody has a share."

Yossarian felt he was beginning to understand. "And the people you sell the eggs to at four and a quarter cents a piece make a profit of two and three quarter cents a piece when they sell them back to you at seven cents a piece. Is that right? Why don't you sell the eggs directly to you and eliminate the people you buy them from?"

"Because I am the people I buy them from," Milo explained. "I make a profit of three and a quarter cents a piece when I sell them to me and a profit of two and three quarter cents apiece when I buy them back from me. That's a total profit of six cents an egg. I lose only two cents an egg when I sell them to the mess halls at five cents apiece, and that's how I can make a profit buying eggs for seven cents apiece and selling them for five cents apiece. I pay only one cent a piece at the hen when I buy them in Sicily."

"In Malta," Yossarian corrected. "You buy your eggs in Malta, not Sicily."

Milo chortled proudly. "I don't buy eggs from Malta," he confessed... "I buy them in Sicily at one cent apiece and transfer them to Malta secretly at four and a half cents apiece in order to get the price of eggs up to seven cents when people come to Malta looking for them."

end quote-

See Hussein Obama and Milo Minderbinder have exactly the same logical kind of mind.

I rest my case.

[HR24]

Didn't we already have a long thread on this when some mouthy old broad said he'd be shot if he became President?

I think it's blatantly obvious that most of the media is smoking his pole right now. It's laughable. SNL even had a skit about it. I have yet to here how all this orgasmic change is supposed to happen.

x2. We just had a thread on this bullsh*t the other week. I just love how the Times throws in the "South Carolina" comment. Yeah buddy, we kill all black people down here in the South. Not a single one down here, and if there were, we'd kilt 'em. [Heavy Sarcasm]. Especially in a place like Atlanta, no black people in positions of power there. [More sarcasm]

I'm starting to believe that liberals and people who live up North are the biggest f*cking twits on the face of the planet. It's like they can't fathom the thought that people in the South actually moved on after the Civil Rights movement.

[Invisigoth]

When you are protecting a head of state when is it ever "over the top"

Honestly, if you need to shut down the life of people you are supposed to be visiting, don't come in the first place.

You can very well land at Ramstein, take a helicopter escort to Berlin, talk to the government and buzz off back home without screwing thousands of people's daily life who a) don't wanna see you and b) won't see you even if they wanted to.

Yeah we don't want the American president to be killed on German soil but that wasn't a security detail that was a small army, and lets not forget the 5 million bucks in tax money that we paid in security alone :)

[Nano]

Joe, Obama and Milo Minderbinder are the only two people on this earth, even though one of them is a completely fictional charachter, who can buy eggs in Malta for seven cents, sell them in Milan for five cents and make a profit....


I gotta say I share some of your thoughts on this man Barack Hussein Obama.
Obama scares the bejesus out of me when I look into his whole campaign strategy. People think Hillary is a brilliant politician, but Barack I believe is at a whole other level that
even her husband the "come back kid" can't even match. I of course I'm not surprised given that he graduated from both Columbia and Harvard without special privileges. I'm now wishing for Mrs. Clinton and husband to join forces and come up with some way to up one on Obama. Obama is very bad news in my book. He will undoubtedly be given a lot of free reign over what he can do and what he can get away with more so than any white woman would be allowed to.

[Createdeemcee]

Honestly, if you need to shut down the life of people you are supposed to be visiting, don't come in the first place.



Thats Right!

[vryhpyammoadded]

That was awesome Mastermind, great comparison.

As for shutting down normal life… agreed.

I know what you mean. You should have seen Schofield bks and surroundings the day Clinton was doing his review of the troops at Wheeler for the VJ 50th. One would think the President; surrounded by thirty thousand plus troops, would be more than safe.
Security details were everywhere mucking up routine. Hell, while biking I even got run off into a volcanic rock filled ditch by one detail with hardly a helping hand or sorry for the inconvenience.
I’d still rather have had the broken ribs than to march in all that dam Wheeler dust wearing my dress uniform. LOL.
Then again, that was the same post were some officer opened his mouth and inserted boot concerning said CNC needing a bullet in the head if anyone remembers.
Those were some frustrating years to be in service…

[angry cow]

I'm not looking forward to the first time someone who criticizes Obama is called a racist. Don't get me wrong, there have been plenty of racist criticisms thrown his way, the whole "secretly Muslim," thing was absurd.

I'm just sure his supporters are going to be awfully quick to pull the race card.

[Mu-Meson]

It only takes one and you don't have to be competent to get a job at say ... a book depository.
I think that the people coming up with these Obama assassination theories are actually coming up with pre-assassination conspiracy theories. They are likely the same kind of people who don't believe that Oswald acted alone.

[Nano]

I see no reason why the parties would kill one of their own. Strange theories about in the public mind. If anything the man that would be offed by chance the American public was able to elect or he was not screwed by both sides would be Ron Paul. That man is dangerous for both parties and I personally know how pissed off some Republicans are at him. Democrats just don't like him because he speaks to their faults.

[Invisigoth]

I see no reason why the parties would kill one of their own. Strange theories about in the public mind. If anything the man that would be offed by chance the American public was able to elect or he was not screwed by both sides would be Ron Paul. That man is dangerous for both parties and I personally know how pissed off some Republicans are at him. Democrats just don't like him because he speaks to their faults.

I don't think anyone needs to off someone who consistently gets 5% of the vote, no offense. Ralph Nader probably has a better chance of being offed by an angry mob of democrats :)

[Maktab]

I had to laugh pretty hard at that one. You should've been here when your President rolled into Germany with his 1000 people entourage and the citizens of the town he visited were not even allowed to go to their windows, while outside the gutters were being welded shut and the surrounding major motorways were being shut down so he could pass without anyone ever getting even remotely close to him. (i.e. kilometer close)

The security was so ridiculously over the top it was almost comical.

I should probably point out that Bush is not my president, since my passport isn't blue, it's green. Plus. the weather is so much better in the Southern Hemisphere.

I do see your point about the seemingly over-restrictive measures taken to protect Bush during state visits, but on the other hand this is a seriously big target we're talking about. While the security preparations might seem over-elaborate, they also have the effect of deterring possible attackers from even thinking about pulling something off because it will be futile. Yet if the exclusion zone were smaller (say a few dozen metres), it suddenly becomes viable to attempt a suicide car bomb attack, which puts the host country's civilians at unnecessary risk. I'll admit that some aspects do descend into Security Theater (see Bruce Schneier's writing on that), but the rest is not necessarily as over-the-top as it seems.

[PsychoMantis]

Well a martyr is a effective political tool. Who knows,There are scumbags liberals out there.

[California Joe]

That is just a f*cking bizarre assertion.

Lets say Obama becomes President.

You're saying that somewhere there's a militant group of liberals...(the people that hate guns and don't like war or violence and love gays and other minorities and political correctness) who figure Obama isn't liberal enough, or black enough, or not making enough of a statement as the first bi racial President.

He, that they are calling the new Bobby Kennedy, he that is promising hippie levels of hippie style change in the country.

They would somehow devise a nefarious plot, with the help of G. Gordon Liddy no doubt, to murder him and create a martyr for the cause? A cause that they would have already won if he was indeed made President?

Were you dropped on your head repeatedly as a child?

[IraGlacialis]

Well it could be said that some people will do really bizarre, and seemingly contradictory and unnecessary, stuff to further their goals. Stuff like that also helps to garner sympathy, especially if you get someone who is of a opposite idealogical stance from you to commit the action.
Controversy and tragedy sells.

[BigBaribal]

I'm already laughing when I'm thinking of the guys who will continue to pretend that USA is still an occidental country, with a Kenyan muslim called Hussein in the White House :-)))

[muttbutt]

I'm already laughing when I'm thinking of the guys who will continue to pretend that USA is still an occidental country, with a Kenyan muslim called Hussein in the White House :-)))I'm sure they are chewing their nails at the thought of your mirth.

[BigBaribal]

Btw, I really wish Obama will be elected as president of the United States, because it will mean, for Europe, a miraculous chance of liberating itself from the US imperium. Hard to explain it in my rough English, but this will means that the Europeans will cease to look at the USA as the archetyp of the Occidental world, but rather like some kind of Brazil or Haïti. A unique opportunity for us, the real Occident to get our place back, hopefully with the Russian world on our side!

[Alpheus]

I nominate BigBaribal for the DOTW award.

[orionhawk]

I second that motion, although I am still trying to figure out what in hell he is trying to say.

[muttbutt]

I nominate BigBaribal for the DOTW award.Don't bother, he's insulated from criticism, by a warm blanket of self righteousness.

[BigBaribal]

Btw, is it true that Hussein Obama's wife is some kind of black supremacist?

[Afro-European]

There will be some "adjustments" but broadly speaking,the US foreign policy toward Europe won't change no matter who gets elected prez.In fact the State Dept. runs the the US foreign policy,the not president imo.I can be wrong though.

Btw, I really wish Obama will be elected as president of the United States, because it will mean, for Europe, a miraculous chance of liberating itself from the US imperium.

[BigBaribal]

I never thought such a forum could be some kind of Al Sharpton fan club!!!! :-)


Btw, if I believe these articles....

http://www.tucc.org/about.htm

http://www.aim.org/aim-column/obamas-communist-mentor/

http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=56626



... USA, the most powerful "occidental" country of the whole galaxy will soon have for president a nigerian communist black supremacist gay junkie muslim called Hussein!!! I just find it great and I would vote for Hussein Obama if I could do it :-)

[orionhawk]

I never thought such a forum could be some kind of Al Sharpton fan club!!!! :-)


Btw, if I believe these articles....

http://www.tucc.org/about.htm

http://www.aim.org/aim-column/obamas-communist-mentor/

http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=56626



... USA, the most powerful "occidental" country of the whole galaxy will soon have for president a nigerian communist black supremacist gay junkie muslim called Hussein!!! I just find it great and I would vote for Hussein Obama if I could do it :-)
wtf is "occidental"? my dictionary says it refers to "Western", but your posts make less sense to me with that meaning than they did before I looked up "occidental". I have a feeling it doesn't mean what you think it means. and I might add that this is the first word I have had to look up in a couple years.

[Alpheus]

Hey BB, you're going a little overboard there. Tone it down or you'll get more then a DOTW award.

[muttbutt]

Well they have had congressmen/senators in the Klan, and they had a guy running this year who doesn't believe in evolution and another one who thinks Jesus was the devils brother...it's America they do things big weird and great.

BTW world net daily and AIM, awesome choices for information....homo *** for all!!

[Nano]

Btw, I really wish Obama will be elected as president of the United States, because it will mean, for Europe, a miraculous chance of liberating itself from the US imperium. Hard to explain it in my rough English, but this will means that the Europeans will cease to look at the USA as the archetyp of the Occidental world, but rather like some kind of Brazil or Haïti. A unique opportunity for us, the real Occident to get our place back, hopefully with the Russian world on our side!

Lolz!rofl Right Obama is the man that will set Europe free from the clutches of the US imperium. You think Russia will be on your side? Well I guess you're right, but on your side of the border. I prefer you colonial Europeans refer to us as The American Empire rather than US imperium it just does not sound American to me.BTW you don't leave The American Empire it leaves you.p-)rofl

[muttbutt]

wtf is "occidental"? my dictionary says it refers to "Western", but your posts make less sense to me with that meaning than they did before I looked up "occidental". I have a feeling it doesn't mean what you think it means.
in BB's book, it's, "white all right, blacks get back"...and I have no more rhyming slang to work with.p-)

[muttbutt]

Lolz!rofl Right Obama is the man that will set Europe free from the clutches of the US imperium. You think Russia will be on your side? Well I guess you're right, but on your side of the border. I prefer you colonial Europeans refer to us as The American Empire rather than US imperium it just does not sound American to me.BTW you don't leave The American Empire it leaves you.p-)roflI think your missing what direction he's coming from...not left to right...right to leftp-)

[orionhawk]

in BB's book, it's, "white all right, blacks get back"...and I have no more rhyming slang to work with.p-)
ah, so he is misunderstanding the word to refer to racism against blacks. that makes his posts make sense, but I don't think that is what that word means.

[Alpheus]

Maybe he means accidental?

[muttbutt]

ah, so he is misunderstanding the word to refer to racism against blacks. that makes his posts make sense, but I don't think that is what that word means.How to put this gently....BB don't like the foreigners.....do you catch my drift:)

[orionhawk]

Maybe he means accidental?
that wouldn't make any sense either. hopefully, the pause in his posts indicates he is checking his Engrish.

[orionhawk]

How to put this gently....BB don't like the foreigners.....do you catch my drift:)
o.k., racism/xenophobia in-general, then. still not what that word means.

[muttbutt]

that wouldn't make any sense either. hopefully, the pause in his posts indicates he is checking his Engrish.No BB is a lot of thing's, stupid is not one of them, he means Occidental-Western, as in white Europeans, and a black president of the US doesn't fit in with that World view...are we all up to speed?p-)

[BigBaribal]

"wtf is "occidental"? my dictionary says it refers to "Western"..."

There's the real Occident which is Europe and there's the "Occident", which is just a code word for "under US managment".

[muttbutt]

He thinks we shouldn't be mixing....with other folk in any way.

[orionhawk]

No BB is a lot of thing's, stupid is not one of them, he means Occidental-Western, as in white Europeans, and a black president of the US doesn't fit in with that World view...are we all up to speed?p-)
sure, whatever. don't know why he couldn't have just typed "Western", then.

[Nano]

I think your missing what direction he's coming from...not left to right...right to leftp-)
Oh no I clearly see it why I threw in there colonial Europeans. In reference to nationalistic white Europe. The Obama and Hussein gave it away. Not to mention the inference that a "Kenyan muslim named Hussein" is contrary to "the" Western standard.

[muttbutt]

"wtf is "occidental"? my dictionary says it refers to "Western"..."

There's the real Occident which is Europe and there's the "Occident", which is just a code word for "under US managment".
Told ya, he knows what he means

[IraGlacialis]

... USA, the most powerful "occidental" country of the whole galaxy will soon have for president a nigerian communist black supremacist gay junkie muslim called Hussein!!!
Er... I'm confused. First you call him Kenyan, now he's Nigerian. :|

Oh and "occidental" makes me chuckle. For some reason it brings up the whole big bad "Yellow Peril" of the oriental nations coming down upon the occidental nations.

http://www.serialsquadron.com/dvds/pledgeprojects/drumsoffumanchu/files/page51_1.jpg

[muttbutt]

sure, whatever. don't know why he couldn't have just typed "Western", then.
He is Swiss he was being creative.

[ronnieraygun]

Btw, I really wish Obama will be elected as president of the United States, because it will mean, for Europe, a miraculous chance of liberating itself from the US imperium. Hard to explain it in my rough English, but this will means that the Europeans will cease to look at the USA as the archetyp of the Occidental world, but rather like some kind of Brazil or Haïti. A unique opportunity for us, the real Occident to get our place back, hopefully with the Russian world on our side!

EXCUSE ME WTF R U DOIN

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/5677/lolcatsfunnypicturesquehw9.jpg

[muttbutt]

Oh no I clearly see it why I threw in there colonial Europeans. In reference to nationalistic white Europe. The Obama and Hussein gave it away. Not to mention the inference that a "Kenyan muslim named Hussein" is contrary to "the" Western standard.
Ah, you were on the same page ..

[LA_Operator]

EXCUSE ME WTF R U DOIN

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/5677/lolcatsfunnypicturesquehw9.jpg

Thanks, Ronnie. I needed this laugh.

[BigBaribal]

"...I am still trying to figure out what in hell he is trying to say..."

Frankly, I'm not surprised that a guy from Michigan cannot exactly understand what is the real meaning of "Occident".

I could perhaps advice you to read some books of Spengler, Jünger or Denis de Rougemont, but I think the good old Kipling will do the trick:

++++++++++++++++++++++
Oh, East is East, and West is West, and never the two shall meet.
++++++++++++++++++++++

http://www.bartleby.com/246/1129.html




"Hey BB, you're going a little overboard there. Tone it down or you'll get more then a DOTW award."

Have I made any personal attacks? Have I used profanity words? Have I harm a sacred cow?

[BigBaribal]

"BTW you don't leave The American Empire it leaves you."

This would be great. After the occupying troops of the ex-Ussr left Germany, it's now time that US occupying troops leave Europe.

[orionhawk]

"...I am still trying to figure out what in hell he is trying to say..."

Frankly, I'm not surprised that a guy from Michigan cannot exactly understand what is the real meaning of "Occident".

I could perhaps advice you to read some books of Spengler, Jünger or Denis de Rougemont, but I think the good old Kipling will do the trick:

++++++++++++++++++++++
Oh, East is East, and West is West, and never the two shall meet.
++++++++++++++++++++++

http://www.bartleby.com/246/1129.html




"Hey BB, you're going a little overboard there. Tone it down or you'll get more then a DOTW award."

Have I made any personal attacks? Have I used profanity words? Have I harm a sacred cow?
That sure reads as a personal attack to me.
I do read Kipling. Come to think of it, that was where I had run across the word before, it just isn't the sort of word I would use or expect to see used in normal conversation, in spite of my own tendency to use a somewhat archaic style of speech. The dictionaries I looked it up in at that time, as well as just now, defined it simply as referring to "Western Culture". I was unable to see what you were referring to, with reference to Senator Obama's cultural and ethnic background. I now understand, including why you used that term.

[Nano]

"BTW you don't leave The American Empire it leaves you."

This would be great. After the occupying troops of the ex-Ussr left Germany, it's now time that US occupying troops leave Europe.

The American Empire is not occupying you it is subsidizing you. Ah and yes the USSR just up and left because it was bored with you occidental europeans.

[muttbutt]

The American Empire is not occupying you it is subsidizing you. Ah and yes the USSR just up and left because it was bored with you occidental europeans.How so?...

[Alpheus]

Dammit. Now that he's suspended, does that mean he isn't eligible for the DAOTW? :-(

[Nano]

How so?...
US military personnel spend money in local communities, local(national)military expenditures are lower and inefficient because of the US defense umbrella... In any case I was not trying to offend other Europeans on the board just trying to knock this guy down a notch or two with his "occidental" mindset.

[muttbutt]

US military personnel spend money in local communities, local(national)military expenditures are lower and inefficient because of the US defense umbrella... In any case I was not trying to offend other Europeans on the board just trying to knock this guy down a notch or two with his "occidental" mindset.
He's Swiss and neutral, plus they are armed to the teeth every able bodied man in the armyp-)

[orionhawk]

Dammit. Now that he's suspended, does that mean he isn't eligible for the DAOTW? :-(
actually, I thought a suspension usually came with a DAOTW award.

back on-subject, this stuff about Senator Obama's security is, imho, just a plea or sympathy, coupled with maybe a setup for complaints if/when he loses the election that racism is why, rather than, for example, his political platform.