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He219
05-25-2004, 07:52 AM
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An Australian soldier stands guard after a suspected car bomb explosion in central Baghdad, May 25, 2004. A suspected car bomb exploded on Tuesday outside a Baghdad hotel used by foreigners and close to the Australian Embassy, wounding at least two people, witnesses and police said. *******/Ceerwan Aziz

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Iraqi police officers and an Australian soldier secure the area where an apparent car bomb exploded near a hotel in central Baghdad, Iraq (news - web sites), Tuesday, May 25, 2004. Australian troops Tuesday were investigating whether Canberra's embassy in Baghdad was the target of the blast that injured five Iraqis. (AP Photo/Muhammed Muheisen)

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An armed militiaman takes position in the center of Najaf, Iraq (news - web sites), during clashes between U.S. forces and Shiite militiamen, Tuesday, May 25, 2004. The inner gate of the shrine, leading into the tomb of Imam Ali Ibn Abu Talib was hit by a projectile. (AP Photo/Hadi Mizban)

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Iraqi Shi'ite Muslim clerics arrive after a blast at the shrine of Imam Ali in the holy city of Najaf, May 25, 2004. The Imam Ali shrine in Najaf, the holiest Shi'ite site in Iraq (news - web sites), was damaged on Tuesday by rockets or mortars, witnesses said

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An Iraqi Shi'ite Muslim cleric walks past the damage to a doorway after a blast at the shrine of Imam Ali in the holy city of Najaf May 25, 2004. The Imam Ali shrine in Najaf, the holiest Shi'ite site in Iraq (news - web sites), was damaged by rockets or mortars, witnesses said -- a development likely to spark outrage among Iraq's Shi'ite majority. (Akram Saleh/*******)

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Iraqis shout as they arrive at the holy shrine of Shia Islam after clashes broke out between U.S. forces and Shiite militiamen in Najaf, Iraq (news - web sites), Tuesday, May 25, 2004. The inner gate of the shrine, leading into the tomb of Imam Ali Ibn Abu Talib was hit by a projectile. (AP Photo/Khalid Mohammed)

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Armed militiamen gesture as they take up position in the center of Najaf, Iraq, during clashes between U.S. forces and Shiite militiamen, Tuesday, May 25, 2004. (AP Photo/Hadi Mizban)

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SEOUL, SOUTH KOREA - MAY 25: South Korean radiologists take part in an exercise in dealing with a possible radioactive terror attack at the Kimpo airport, on May 25, 2004 in Seoul, South Korea. The drill comes amid international concerns about terrorism and worries over North Korea's nuclear program. (Photo by Chung Sung-Jun/***** Images)

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SEOUL, SOUTH KOREA - MAY 25: South Korean radiologists take part in an exercise in dealing with a possible radioactive terror attack at the Kimpo airport, on May 25, 2004 in Seoul, South Korea. The drill comes amid international concerns about terrorism and worries over North Korea's nuclear program. (Photo by Chung Sung-Jun/***** Images)

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SEOUL, REPUBLIC OF KOREA: A South Korean protester shouts slogans while wearing a model tank decorated with a flower on her head during an anti-US rally in front of the South Korean Defense Ministry in Seoul, 25 May 2004. South Korea has pledged to deploy 3,000 troops, including combatants, in Iraq, in addition to the some 600 military engineers and medics it already has stationed there. The dispatch, after several delays, is now slated for August. AFP PHOTO/JUNG YEON-JE (Photo credit should read JUNG YEON-JE/AFP/***** Images)

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SINGAPORE, SINGAPORE: (SINGAPORE OUT) A Singapore special police forces commando is seen on board a container vessel during a martime security exercise at Singapore's port, 25 May 2004. The International Maritime Organisation (IMO) chief urged governments and shipping lines 25 May to hasten implementation of port and ship security measures ahead of a 01 July deadline, warning terrorists are determined to cripple sea trade. (SINGAPORE OUT) AFP PHOTO/STRAITS TIMES (Photo credit should read ALBERT SIM/AFP/***** Images)

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SINGAPORE, SINGAPORE: (SINGAPORE OUT) A Singapore special police forces bomb specialist checks a box on board a container vessel for explosives during a maritime security exercise at Singapore's port, 25 May 2004. The International Maritime Organisation (IMO) chief urged governments and shipping lines 25 May to hasten implementation of port and ship security measures ahead of a 01 July deadline, warning terrorists are determined to cripple sea trade. SINGAPORE OUT AFP PHOTO/STRAITS TIMES (Photo credit should read ALBERT SIM/AFP/***** Images)

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Navy Petty Officer 3rd Class Jeff L. Pursley, a hospital corpsman with 2nd Battalion, 2nd Marine Regiment's Scout Sniper Platoon, helps Cpl. Olen P. Thyssen, a 27-year-old scout sniper from Houston. Pursley, 27, from Fort Oglethorpe, Ga., is a former Force Reconnaissance Marine sniper who traded his role of shooter for a healer.
(USMC photo by Cpl. Shawn C. Rhodes)

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Antonis Maltezos physicist of the Greek Atomic energy commission speaks to the media next to radiation detection equipment in Athens, Tuesday, May 25, 2004. The United States provided Greece with radiation detection equipment to boost defenses against potential terrorist threats to the Olympics such as a dirty bomb. (AP Photo/Thanassis Stavrakis)

REMOV
05-25-2004, 07:57 AM
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FORT BRAGG, NC - MAY 24: Military Police wait outside the Staff Judge Advocate Building where the trial for Sgt. Hasan Akbar is being held May 24, 2004 in Fort Bragg, North Carolina. Akabar is accused of two counts of premeditated murder and three counts of attempted premeditated murder for the attack on fellow 101st airborne division soldiers. (Photo by Logan Mock-Bunting/***** Images)

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FORT BRAGG, NC - MAY 24: Military Police guard the entrance to the Staff Judge Advocate Building where Sgt. Hasan Akbar is being tried May 24, 2004 in Fort Bragg, North Carolina. Akabar is accused of two counts of premeditated murder and three counts of attempted premeditated murder for the attack on fellow soldiers. (Photo by Logan Mock-Bunting/***** Images)

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MANILA, PHILIPPINES: Philippine Army soldiers deployed as poll security guard military trucks delivering ballot boxes at the House of Representatives in suburban Quezon City 25 May 2004 where canvassing of votes for the president and vice president will take place. The camp of opposition presidential candidate and movie star Fernando Poe denounced leaked accounts by a senior Commission on Elections official naming Poe's chief rival incumbent President Gloria Arroyo as the likely winner of the May 10 presidential election amid security concerns of destabilization plot aimed to prevent the proclamation of the winner of the hotly contested polls. AFP PHOTO ROMEO GACAD (Photo credit should read ROMEO GACAD/AFP/***** Images)

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MANILA, PHILIPPINES: A heavily armed soldier guards poll workers delivering ballot boxes at the House of Representatives in suburban Quezon City 25 May 2004 where canvassing of votes for the president and vice president will take place. The camp of opposition presidential candidate and movie star Fernando Poe denounced leaked accounts by a senior Commission on Elections official naming Poe's chief rival incumbent President Gloria Arroyo as the likely winner of the May 10 presidential election amid security concerns of destabilization plot aimed to prevent the proclamation of the winner of the hotly contested polls. AFP PHOTO ROMEO GACAD (Photo credit should read ROMEO GACAD/AFP/***** Images)

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MANILA, PHILIPPINES: Philippine Army soldiers deployed as poll security guard military trucks delivering ballot boxes at the House of Representatives in suburban Quezon City 25 May 2004 where canvassing of votes for the president and vice president will take place. The camp of opposition presidential candidate and movie star Fernando Poe denounced leaked accounts by a senior Commission on Elections official naming Poe's chief rival incumbent President Gloria Arroyo as the likely winner of the May 10 presidential election amid security concerns of destabilization plot aimed to prevent the proclamation of the winner of the hotly contested polls. AFP PHOTO ROMEO GACAD (Photo credit should read ROMEO GACAD/AFP/***** Images)

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GURNEE, IL - MAY 24: A vintage tank is parked outside the Legion hall is overcome by the rising water May 24, 2004 in Gurnee, Illinois. After a week of heavy rains the Des Plaines River has flooded the town's business district. The river is expected to continue rising until tomorrow afternoon. (Photo by Scott Olson/***** Images)

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BAGHDAD, IRAQ: A US soldier stands guard outside a hotel close to Australia's diplomatic mission in Baghdad where a car bomb exploded 25 May 2004. Police and security officers at the scene said the hotel in the central Jadriyah district was home to a top Australian diplomat, but the Australian mission in Baghdad denied that the bomb, which wounded three people including a child, went off outside their headquarters. AFP PHOTO/ Ramzi HAIDAR (Photo credit should read RAMZI HAIDAR/AFP/***** Images)

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BAGHDAD, IRAQ: A US soldier stands next to a crater left by a car bomb that exploded, outside a hotel close to Australia's diplomatic mission in Baghdad 25 May 2004. Police and security officers at the scene said the hotel in the central Jadriyah district was home to a top Australian diplomat, but the Australian mission in Baghdad denied that the bomb, which wounded three people including a child, went off outside their headquarters. AFP PHOTO/ Ramzi HAIDAR (Photo credit should read RAMZI HAIDAR/AFP/***** Images)

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BAGHDAD, IRAQ: An Australian soldier secures the site where car bomb exploded, outside a hotel close to Australia's diplomatic mission in Baghdad 25 May 2004. Police and security officers at the scene said the hotel in the central Jadriyah district was home to a top Australian diplomat, but the Australian mission in Baghdad denied that the bomb, which wounded three people including a child, went off outside their headquarters. AFP PHOTO/ Ramzi HAIDAR (Photo credit should read RAMZI HAIDAR/AFP/***** Images)

Marmot1
05-25-2004, 08:09 AM
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You remember that discussion about geneva convention and recognition marks. Look at them- all of them have IDs on their chests.

tuckerhat
05-25-2004, 08:13 AM
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You remember that discussion about geneva convention and recognition marks. Look at them- all of them have IDs on their chests.

I might be wrong, but I recall seeing similar tags on militia that were prayers and religious slogans?

Marmot1
05-25-2004, 08:24 AM
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You remember that discussion about geneva convention and recognition marks. Look at them- all of them have IDs on their chests.

I might be wrong, but I recall seeing similar tags on militia that were prayers and religious slogans?

Yeah but it is still recognition mark which help to recognize them and their organization... this ones are blurry but on other photo it was clear that they usualy have Al-Sadr photo and some writings on them... in this particular photos they have 2 diferent kinds... one iwth Sadr photo and one with map of iraq and some picture on it.

Argyll
05-25-2004, 09:51 AM
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You remember that discussion about geneva convention and recognition marks. Look at them- all of them have IDs on their chests.

I might be wrong, but I recall seeing similar tags on militia that were prayers and religious slogans?

Yeah but it is still recognition mark which help to recognize them and their organization... this ones are blurry but on other photo it was clear that they usualy have Al-Sadr photo and some writings on them... in this particular photos they have 2 diferent kinds... one iwth Sadr photo and one with map of iraq and some picture on it.

I don't believe for one minute they can be used as distinguishing id's to allow them compliance with the GC.
We all carry ID's as well,but you would class us as Unlawful combatants.
These are not ID tags either ;)

Marmot1
05-25-2004, 09:59 AM
Well if they carry guns openly and have some sort of ID + they are part of a Al-Sadr milita then.... according to GC everything is ok???

You are unlawfull since you are not members of armed forces and you are not iraqi citizens, hence you cannot be guerilla force. Simply you do not fall into any definiton in geneva.

ibstolidude
05-25-2004, 10:07 AM
Well if they carry guns openly and have some sort of ID + they are part of a Al-Sadr milita then.... according to GC everything is ok???

You are unlawfull since you are not members of armed forces and you are not iraqi citizens, hence you cannot be guerilla force. Simply you do not fall into any definiton in geneva.
the flawed understandings of the Geneva convention are apalling.

Argyll
05-25-2004, 10:55 AM
Well if they carry guns openly and have some sort of ID + they are part of a Al-Sadr milita then.... according to GC everything is ok???

You are unlawfull since you are not members of armed forces and you are not iraqi citizens, hence you cannot be guerilla force. Simply you do not fall into any definiton in geneva.

I'd suggest you actually read the geneva conventions Marmot-1

Try this link it'll even give you meanings ;)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geneva_Conventions

Javehn
05-25-2004, 11:08 AM
You are unlawfull since you are not members of armed forces and you are not iraqi citizens, hence you cannot be guerilla force. Simply you do not fall into any definiton in geneva.

And if i am not mistaken , half of Sadr millitia are even not Iraqies .

b00n
05-25-2004, 11:11 AM
I need one of them tank hats too p-)

Graeme
05-25-2004, 11:11 AM
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Snipers lead the way! Good to see the M40 out and about :)

Old300
05-25-2004, 11:39 AM
When these men carry arms openly among unarmed civilians; or when they use religious, medical, or other civic facilities as fighting positions or weapons caches, they are not protected by the 3rd Geneva Convention.

According to the caption of the photo, (apparently) none of the above conditions was met, so they'd be accorded POW status if they were captured rather than (the far more likely outcome) killed.

He219
05-25-2004, 01:39 PM
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U.S. Marine Lcpl. Julious Wright, of Long Beach, CA, secures the perimeter during a city council meeting in in Nasar Wa Salam, near Fallujah, Iraq, Tuesday, May 25, 2004. (AP Photo/Jim MacMillan)

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U.S.soldiers attend an injured U.S.soldier in the center of Baghdad, Iraq, after thunderous explosions the capital, Tuesday, May 25, 2004. A U.S. helicopter landed in the square and evacuated at least one wounded person as American troops and military vehicles provided security.

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U.S. Army soldiers and Iraqi police officers rush to evacuate an injured U.S Army soldier in the center of Baghdad, Iraq, after thunderous explosions at the capital, Tuesday, May 25, 2004.

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U.S.soldiers rush to evacuate an injured U.S.soldier in the center of Baghdad, Iraq, after thunderous explosions the capital, Tuesday, May 25, 2004. A U.S. helicopter landed in the square and evacuated at least one wounded person as American troops and military vehicles provided security. (AP Photo/Anja Niedringhaus)

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An armed militiaman takes up position in the center of Najaf, Iraq, during clashes between U.S. forces and Shiite militiamen, Tuesday, May 25, 2004. (AP Photo/Khalid Mohammed)

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Armed militiamen celebrate as they take up position in the center of Najaf, Iraq, during clashes between U.S. forces and Shiite militiamen, Tuesday, May 25, 2004. One of the most sacred shrines of Shia Islam suffered minor damage during clashed Tuesday during clashes in the area. (AP Photo/Khalid Mohammed)

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Iraqi Shi'ite militiamen load their weapons in the holy city of Najaf May 25, 2004.

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** ADVANCE FOR THURSDAY MAY 27-- FILE ** U.S. Marine Lcpl. Brandon Johnson, of Pleasant Grove, UT, from the 1st Battalion, 5th Marine Regiment, patrols in a Humvee in Kandari, Iraq, Thursday, May 13, 2004. American soldiers are firing so much ammuniction that the military's largest supplier of bullets can't keep up.

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Manama, Bahrain - A British Royal Navy Sailor and Royal Marine coil a line on the deck while U.S. Navy Boatswain's Mate 1st Class Ron Schuetz raises an Iraqi flag on the fantail of Iraqi Patrol Craft 101. Coalition forces will soon deliver the 3rd and 4th of 5 patrol crafts to Umm Qasr, Iraq, as they continue to train and equip the newly created Iraqi Coastal Defense Force.

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U.S. Army soldiers from Alpha Company, 1st Engineer Battalion, drive their 113A3 Armored Personnel Carrier past a donkey while on patrol May 25, 2004 in Ramadi, Iraq. Alpha Company found 50 mortars and over 6,000 rounds buried in the yard of a home while on patrol searching for weapons caches.

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U.S. Army Specialist John Howad from Alpha Company, 1st Engineer Battalion, lifts up a 14.5 mm gun barrel from a hole May 25, 2004 in Ramadi, Iraq.

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Elsewhere:

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Lead singer Sgt Fred Caron, MBdr Yann Carpantier (drums), Cpl Martin Pelletier (guitar), and Pte Benoit Charbonneau (keyboards), perform at Camp Julien in front of the ruins of the King's Palace in Kabul, Afghanistan.

The Canadian troops were filming a piece to be aired on Parliament Hill in celebration of Canada Day, July 1st.

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Adeeb, 12, holds his little brother Ilias, 2, while he talks to Pte Vincent Audet, a Canadian soldier from the 3rd Battalion, Royal 22nd Regiment Battalion Group (3 R22ndR Bn Gp), during a foot patrol in Kabul, Afghanistan.

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Newly elected German President Horst Koehler poses on top of the Berlin Reichstag parliamentary building, May 23, 2004. Koehler, former head of the International Monetary Fund (news - web sites), won a 604 majority of the 1,205-seat special assembly that picked him as new German president in the Reichstag today

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A Belarussian special forces soldiers eats a live frog during performance to celebrate the end of the sowing season, in the village of Viazze, some 100 km South-east of Minsk, May 23, 2004. *******/Vasily Fedosenko

Felix
05-25-2004, 01:52 PM
Marmot and Javehn....
What makes you think they aren't Iraqis? Some I suppose could be Iranians, some....but even the US has admitted that most of the foreign fighters and terrorists coming into Iraq are Sunni, and hence would not gravitate towards Al-Sadrs boys.

Felix
05-25-2004, 01:52 PM
Marmot and Javehn....
What makes you think they aren't Iraqis? Some I suppose could be Iranians, some....but even the US has admitted that most of the foreign fighters and terrorists coming into Iraq are Sunni, and hence would not gravitate towards Al-Sadrs boys.

One?
05-25-2004, 02:06 PM
You are unlawfull since you are not members of armed forces and you are not iraqi citizens, hence you cannot be guerilla force. Simply you do not fall into any definiton in geneva.

And if i am not mistaken , half of Sadr millitia are even not Iraqies .

what are they then?

Argyll
05-25-2004, 02:19 PM
Marmot and Javehn....
What makes you think they aren't Iraqis? Some I suppose could be Iranians, some....but even the US has admitted that most of the foreign fighters and terrorists coming into Iraq are Sunni, and hence would not gravitate towards Al-Sadrs boys.

Iraqi's have never blown themselves up for starters mate,and that is a documented Intelligence fact.

There are foreign Arab/Muslim fighters scattered throughout Iraq.

If these Sar'd boys are Kosher in the GC does that make Sadr an acceptable target for termination?

hank
05-25-2004, 02:27 PM
Marmot and Javehn....
What makes you think they aren't Iraqis? Some I suppose could be Iranians, some....but even the US has admitted that most of the foreign fighters and terrorists coming into Iraq are Sunni, and hence would not gravitate towards Al-Sadrs boys.

Iraqi's have never blown themselves up for starters mate,and that is a documented Intelligence fact.

There are foreign Arab/Muslim fighters scattered throughout Iraq.

If these Sar'd boys are Kosher in the GC does that make Sadr an acceptable target for termination?

That is a good point. If these criminals meet the GC definition then if we killed Sadr it would not be assassination, just a legitimate military target, sanctioned by the GC. Not only would the GC be satisfied, but so would the decades-old executive order banning assassination. That is using the bean, Argyll.

hank

Old300
05-25-2004, 02:45 PM
hank, my understanding is that you have to be an armed member of an army unit or militia in order to be entitled to Geneval Convention protection. So al-Sadr is not entitled to GC protection.

(It is for this reason that, even though President Bush is Commander-in-Chief of the US armed forces, he is neither an armed combatant nor, therefore, entitled to Geneva Convention protection. However, the President might be "protected" by any number of other treaties and agreements, including, in some circumstances, the Vienna Convention on Consular Relations.)

Also, the Executive Order banning assassinations applied only to heads of state and heads of government, which sucks for Mookie: he's neither a "head of state" nor an "armed combatant". But he may soon be a "dead man", to use the technical term.

Marmot1
05-25-2004, 03:07 PM
Marmot and Javehn....
What makes you think they aren't Iraqis? Some I suppose could be Iranians, some....but even the US has admitted that most of the foreign fighters and terrorists coming into Iraq are Sunni, and hence would not gravitate towards Al-Sadrs boys.

Dear Felix and where I stated that they are not iraqis???

And as hank mentioned... if they are under geneva, sadr is also so it is OK to kill himm as an enemy leader/commander... otherwise it is assasination... so in this case GC could be helpfull... And agryll tell my why you think that they do not fit to geneva description of guerilla force???

Marmot1
05-25-2004, 03:09 PM
hank, my understanding is that you have to be an armed member of an army unit or militia in order to be entitled to Geneval Convention protection. So al-Sadr is not entitled to GC protection.

(It is for this reason that, even though President Bush is Commander-in-Chief of the US armed forces, he is neither an armed combatant nor, therefore, entitled to Geneva Convention protection. However, the President might be "protected" by any number of other treaties and agreements, including, in some circumstances, the Vienna Convention on Consular Relations.)

Also, the Executive Order banning assassinations applied only to heads of state and heads of government, which sucks for Mookie: he's neither a "head of state" nor an "armed combatant". But he may soon be a "dead man", to use the technical term.

Well GWB is not armed but AFAIK he is supreme commander of armed forces...

The same is in poland where President in case of armed conflict is Supreme Commander, can apoint and dismiss generals etc.

Russian Texan
05-25-2004, 03:13 PM
http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20040523/i/r3971058234.jpg

A Belarussian special forces soldiers eats a live frog during performance to celebrate the end of the sowing season, in the village of Viazze, some 100 km South-east of Minsk, May 23, 2004. *******/Vasily Fedosenko

What kind of nutritional value does the frog have, how many calories?
it's a serious question.

Old300
05-25-2004, 03:15 PM
again, being the titular head of the armed forces is irrelevant, as far as the Geneva Convention is concerned. A member of the Mahdi Army couldn't storm St James's Palace (or wherever) and hold Prince Charles as a POW because he is unarmed and neither gives nor receives orders as a member of a military unit (even though he is Colonel-in-Chief (or something) of certain British units in southern Iraq). Likewise G-Dub

afrographX
05-25-2004, 03:29 PM
http://a1112.g.akamai.net/7/1112/492/03312000/news.lycos.com/news/ot_getImage.asp?op=img&id=611049

isn't this the place where that this webcam is showing? i can't find the link anymore but the place looks very simliar

wormie
05-25-2004, 03:42 PM
afrographX: Yes it is the place that the fox news live webcam was watching, its called Al Fridos Square or "Paradise Square." Wish I was watching it when that happened.

mack pl
05-25-2004, 03:56 PM
http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20040523/i/r3971058234.jpg

A Belarussian special forces soldiers eats a live frog during performance to celebrate the end of the sowing season, in the village of Viazze, some 100 km South-east of Minsk, May 23, 2004. *******/Vasily Fedosenko

What kind of nutritional value does the frog have, how many calories?
it's a serious question.You should ask in some french restaurant in Houston mate ;)

regards :)

MARINO
05-25-2004, 04:10 PM
In Spanish SF they also use to eat snake, and this kind of animals :roll: . I thinking about it, andi prefer the Legion or Mountain rangers :lol:

SerbPVO
05-25-2004, 04:15 PM
Come'n, in Korea they eat dogs.
Eating a raw frog is nothing in comparison - frogs are actually considered a delicacy in some countries, like France:D

And building up the will to eat such stuff, without hesitation...is one of the keys to survival in hostile terrority, cut off from supply lines and having to fend for yourself.

MARINO
05-25-2004, 04:15 PM
http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20040523/i/r3971058234.jpg

A Belarussian special forces soldiers eats a live frog during performance to celebrate the end of the sowing season, in the village of Viazze, some 100 km South-east of Minsk, May 23, 2004. *******/Vasily Fedosenko

What kind of nutritional value does the frog have, how many calories?
it's a serious question.

Gollum!!!!!!
http://www.sierratimes.com/images/movies/gollum.jpg :lol:

Russian Texan
05-25-2004, 04:17 PM
You should ask in some french restaurant in Houston mate ;)

regards :)

Yeah, but you see, in restaurants they serve them cooked, which is not the same nutrition wise.

Wouldn't be fun to put those guys on "Survivor"? I bet they will consume every single living creature on the island and say "thank you" :lol:

ibstolidude
05-25-2004, 04:27 PM
hank, my understanding is that you have to be an armed member of an army unit or militia in order to be entitled to Geneval Convention protection. So al-Sadr is not entitled to GC protection.

(It is for this reason that, even though President Bush is Commander-in-Chief of the US armed forces, he is neither an armed combatant nor, therefore, entitled to Geneva Convention protection. However, the President might be "protected" by any number of other treaties and agreements, including, in some circumstances, the Vienna Convention on Consular Relations.)

Also, the Executive Order banning assassinations applied only to heads of state and heads of government, which sucks for Mookie: he's neither a "head of state" nor an "armed combatant". But he may soon be a "dead man", to use the technical term.
allow me to repeat - the lack of knowledge about the GC's is apalling.

Old300
05-25-2004, 04:34 PM
what, specifically, appalled you?

American Patriot
05-25-2004, 04:52 PM
You should ask in some french restaurant in Houston mate ;)

regards :)

Yeah, but you see, in restaurants they serve them cooked, which is not the same nutrition wise.

Wouldn't be fun to put those guys on "Survivor"? I bet they will consume every single living creature on the island and say "thank you" :lol:

You're thinking of Fear Factor.

Jack Mehoff
05-25-2004, 04:59 PM
http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20040523/i/r3971058234.jpg

A Belarussian special forces soldiers eats a live frog during performance to celebrate the end of the sowing season, in the village of Viazze, some 100 km South-east of Minsk, May 23, 2004. *******/Vasily Fedosenko

What kind of nutritional value does the frog have, how many calories?
it's a serious question.

:lol:

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/6415/eat.jpg

He219
05-25-2004, 05:16 PM
Yeah, but you see, in restaurants they serve them cooked, which is not the same nutrition wise.
Concordantly I would imagine that a raw frog would also make one susceptible to trichinosis infection, internal warts, anisakiasis and tapeworms ...

p-)

Nutrition Information for Raw Frog Legs (http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts-001-02s05yz.html)


http://a1112.g.akamai.net/7/1112/492/03312000/news.lycos.com/news/ot_getImage.asp?op=img&id=611279

A Jordanian Bedouin honor guard parades during the Independence Day ceremony in Amman, Jordan, Tuesday May 25, 2004. Jordan is celebrating the 58th anniversary of its independence from Britain. (AP Photo/Hussein Malla)

http://a1112.g.akamai.net/7/1112/492/03312000/news.lycos.com/news/ot_getImage.asp?op=img&id=611285

Jordan's King Abdullah II, right, inspects the Bedouin honor guard during the ceremony of the Independence Day in Amman, Jordan, Tuesday May 25, 2004. Jordan celebrates the 58th anniversary of independence from Britain.(AP Photo/Hussein Malla)

http://a1112.g.akamai.net/7/1112/492/03312000/news.lycos.com/news/ot_getImage.asp?op=img&id=611169

Children with Argentine flags pass a line of naval officers standing guard outside the Buenos Aires Government Palace, Tuesday, May 25, 2004. Argentine President Nestor Kirchner celebrates his first year in office today and Argentina marks the 195th anniversary of the 1810 revolution that marked the beginning of the end of Spanish colonialism. (AP Photo/Natacha Pisarenko)

http://a1112.g.akamai.net/7/1112/492/03312000/news.lycos.com/news/ot_getImage.asp?op=img&id=611231

An Iraqi boy talks with U.S. Marines in their Humvee in Nasar Wa Salam, near Fallujah, Iraq, Tuesday, May 25, 2004. (AP Photo/Jim MacMillan)

http://a1112.g.akamai.net/7/1112/492/03312000/news.lycos.com/news/ot_getImage.asp?op=img&id=611128

U.S. Marines play football during a break at an Iraqi Civil Defense Corps center in Nasar Wa Salam, near Fallujah, Iraq, Tuesday, May 25, 2004. (AP Photo/Jim MacMillan)

http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20040524/i/r3332158795.jpg

Portuguese special attack police stand by for the final assault during a rehearsal of riots and hostages situations in the Lisbon underground, May 24, 2004. Police, rescue and emergency workers held a last rehearsal in Lisbon, six days before concerts of Rock in Rio and the Euro 2004 Soccer Championship. *******/Jose Manuel Ribeiro

Russian Texan
05-25-2004, 05:42 PM
Yeah, but you see, in restaurants they serve them cooked, which is not the same nutrition wise.
Concordantly I would imagine that a raw frog would also make one susceptible to trichinosis infection, internal warts, anisakiasis and tapeworms ...

p-)

Nutrition Information for Raw Frog Legs (http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts-001-02s05yz.html)



Apparently frog legs are not that rich in calories (only 73 per 100gr), the good thing - they are low on fat and high on protein, I guess that keeps SF guys in shape.
I do see your point about desiases, anyone here with the "field" and not "restaurant" experience on the subject matter?

Marmot1
05-25-2004, 05:57 PM
I tried blackworm once... and still alive...

My father tried monkeys,snakes,lizards,crocodiles,some fried insects,etc... also still alive.

Uncle Chô
05-25-2004, 06:01 PM
Apparently frog legs are not that rich in calories (only 73 per 100gr), the good thing - they are low on fat and high on protein, I guess that keeps SF guys in shape.
I do see your point about desiases, anyone here with the "field" and not "restaurant" experience on the subject matter?
I have eaten a few ants as a child if it could help ;)

hank
05-25-2004, 06:02 PM
I tried blackworm once... and still alive...

My father tried monkeys,snakes,lizards,crocodiles,some fried insects,etc... also still alive.

blackworm? I heard you liked tubesnake. ;)

hank

Mark Sman
05-25-2004, 06:07 PM
The knuckleheads with the all access passes don't qualify.

http://www.genevaconventions.org/

Loco
05-25-2004, 06:25 PM
¿Frogs? ¿Monkeys? Try it with the good old crawfish and some lemon slices. Although I think Hannibal Lecter only would see here fresh flesh, p-) London, yesterday.
http://www.diario-elcorreo.es/vizcaya/interactivo/imagenes_del_dia/imagenes/langostinoschicas.jpg

http://www.diario-elcorreo.es/vizcaya/interactivo/imagenes_del_dia/imagenes/bangladesahogado.jpg
Volunteers recovering bodies after four ferries wrecked because the hevy rains in river Meghna, Bangla Desh.

http://www.diario-elcorreo.es/vizcaya/interactivo/imagenes_del_dia/imagenes/regresotropas.jpg
One of the last spanish group in Iraq kisses his girlfriend after arriving to Torrejón de Ardoz airport.

http://estaticos.elmundo.es/elmundo/fotosdeldia/2004/05/25/1085501215_extras_fotos_del_dia_0.jpg
Rania of Jordan was elected in a poll of El Mundo newspaper the most sexy guest in the saturday royal wedding in Spain.

http://estaticos.elmundo.es/especiales/2004/04/espana/bodareal/imagenes/encuesta_patada.jpg
A page kicking to other page was elected the best moment of the royal wedding in Spain last saturday by the readers of El Mundo.

kinghk
05-25-2004, 06:41 PM
I tried blackworm once... and still alive...


Mustamato is finnish for blackworm :)

GrantT
05-25-2004, 09:48 PM
http://www.news.navy.mil/management/photodb/webphoto/web_040524-N-0401E-004.jpg

So what's the deal with the Iraqi flag? Are they keeping the old one now?

MEGR
05-25-2004, 10:46 PM
http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20040523/i/r3971058234.jpg

Owned!