Turks pressure Mel Gibson over film role

[Peris]

Gibson urged to reject film with Armenian allegations http://medya.todayszaman.com/todayszaman/2007/11/27/gibson.jpg


The Foundation for the Struggle Against Baseless Allegations of Genocide (ASİMED) has begun an e-mail campaign to try and dissuade actor Mel Gibson from playing a role in a film that underscores claıms of an alleged genocide of Anatolian Armenians by Ottoman Turks during World War I.


The president of ASİMED and faculty member at Atatürk University’s history department, Professor Savaş Eğilmez, said in order to raise support internationally for Armenian allegations, various Armenian diaspora groups had set aside a fund of $100 million and this money had been given to Hollywood film production companies to encourage the making of such a film. Eğilmez noted that more than one such Hollywood company is preparing to shoot a film supporting the Armenian view. “It is now being said that actor Mel Gibson is to play a role in one of these films. There is a push to have the film shot at Icon Productions, the company Gibson is a partner in,” said Eğilmez.

Stallone changed his mind
Eğilmez noted that a similar situation occurred recently when Sylvester Stallone announced his plans to play a role in a new film adaptation of the book “The Forty Days of Musa Dagh.” After a campaign led by ASİMED in which more than 3,000 e-mails were sent to Stallone, the actor declined the role. “Stallone decided not to act in this film after the e-mail campaign we led. The European press also expressed concerns about the book’s accuracy. We have begun sending documents about the truth of the situation to Gibson. We started an e-mail campaign to urge him to decline the role and to not allow this film to be shot at his production company. What we are facing is a new slander campaign on the level of the ‘Midnight Express’. Everyone needs to be sensitive and aware on this topic. We need to put pressure on this famous actor by telling him the truth of the matter,” stated Eğilmez



http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/detaylar.do?load=detay&link=128034

[Fiber]

What other alleged genocides is ASIMED working to shine some light upon? I can't much info on their website.

[IDF_TANKER]

Now Jews hate him, Muslims hate him. This guy really knows how make friends, doesn't he. Next he perhaps will want to make some Holocaust related movie and will be pressured by some Neo-Nazi Foundation for the Struggle Against Baseless Allegations of Genocide. And then he will be hated by Jews, Muslims and Nazis.

[chris450]

probably the ones performed by the Ottoman state against all Christian populations...check out their website it will give you a pretty clear picture of what this is all about

[Holycrusader]

the Earth is flat and Ottomans do not commit any genocides ...

[Xaito]

He's just an actor - he plays roles the movie makers want him to play and gets money for it - if anybody has problems with what the movie is about - why the hell do they send emails to an actor?

[Parx400]

Those Turks need to pick up a bottle of "no more tears". I bootlegged a copy of "valley of the woves Iraq" (just wanted to make it known i did not pay for it) and after seeing that pile of trash Hollywood can make what evere movie they want about mega rasist turks killing Armineans, Greeks, Kurds, or who ever they dont like this week.

[a_very_ex_STAB]

the Earth is flat and Ottomans do not commit any genocides ...


LOL that's going to get them going! :)

[Antwnia]

Heres one picture.... the film is filmed with Mel Gibson as a leading actor whatsoever and as a director.... then the Oscars are on and bingo the Oscar goes to Mel Gibson for the film!!!!!
Now Now! I dont think they will ban the film .... would they?!?!?!?!?!
8)

[kamaz]

this thread is gonna get closed down fast.

as a jew, I dont have anything against mel gibson, except for the fact that he never refuted his father's holocaust denying ideology. as a film maker, i think he is extremely talented and gifted. Apocalypto was an amazing film for example. so was his Jesus movie. If you put politics and religion aside, the films are very very good. both films are great fiction

[Martel]

The Foundation for the Struggle Against Baseless Allegations of Genocide (ASİMED)
Wow ! I wonder if there is a "Foundation for the Struggle Against Baseless Allegations of round Earth" rofl
Edit : :) I didn't see InetWarrior post.

[Peris]

Apocalypto was an amazing film for example. so was his Jesus movie. If you put politics and religion aside, the films are very very good. both films are great fiction

i am not sure a Jesus related religious movie can be called fiction. Likewise movies like the ''Ten Commandments'' must be called fiction also.

[Amateur]

i am not sure a Jesus related religious movie can be called fiction. Likewise movies like the ''Ten Commandments'' must be called fiction also.

Any religiously related movie is fiction; that holds even if you 're a believer, because there's no way of accurately depicting religious dogma and therefore what you see is the director's "fiction" of it.

[Peris]

Now Jews hate him, Muslims hate him. This guy really knows how make friends, doesn't he. Next he perhaps will want to make some Holocaust related movie and will be pressured by some Neo-Nazi Foundation for the Struggle Against Baseless Allegations of Genocide. And then he will be hated by Jews, Muslims and Nazis.


why Jews and Muslims hate him?

[Hollis]

i am not sure a Jesus related religious movie can be called fiction. Likewise movies like the ''Ten Commandments'' must be called fiction also.

More often than not, any connection that a Hollywood movie has with reality is purely accidental.

The classic movie "Ten Commandments" does not follow the "Bible". If it is not factual according to the Bible as a bases of fact, then is it fictional?

Look at the current remake of 300. I think the worse curse that can happen to anyone, is to have Hollywood make a movie about them.

[Peris]

Any religiously related movie is fiction; that holds even if you 're a believer, because there's no way of accurately depicting religious dogma and therefore what you see is the director's "fiction" of it.


with this logic every movie is fiction via the eyes of the director. Maby the correct approach is too say, based in this or that.

[SoftLion]

this thread is gonna get closed down fast.

as a jew, I dont have anything against mel gibson, except for the fact that he never refuted his father's holocaust denying ideology. as a film maker, i think he is extremely talented and gifted. Apocalypto was an amazing film for example. so was his Jesus movie. If you put politics and religion aside, the films are very very good. both films are great fiction

Hmmm

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- http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/fiction

If those films are fiction, then what should we call films that have no basis in historical fact? Fiction? Oh yea, that's what the word means.

I am not pro-Hollywood, but fact-based films are fact-based films - there was a man named "Jesus" who existed and the Mayan empire did exist and fall.

I would not categorize these films as fiction in the same vein as Edward Scissorhands, as that is improper use of the word. Something along the lines of "a fact-based dramatization" would be more appropriate.

[gammbino]

Hey Mel, I'm still waiting for Mad Max 4 over here. I don't think the Turks will have a problem with you being in that.

[Hollis]

SoftLion regardless of how you want to label them, they are entertainment first and foremost. They are made to make money, not necessary anything else. I like movies, they are good entertainment. Sadly too many people accept movies as a bases of fact. Which IMHO, is a mistake.

[SoftLion]

SoftLion regardless of how you want to label them, they are entertainment first and foremost. They are made to make money, not necessary anything else. I like movies, they are good entertainment. Sadly too many people accept movies as a bases of fact. Which IMHO, is a mistake.

I guess I should have simply asked if you (or anyone) can give me an example of a "non-fiction" movie if there is such a thing.

[Ulytau]

First wanted to show a thing 27.11.2007 its all about when..

and topic opened 6 hours ago good to see mates you guys caring about us rofl

About Mel Gibson..

Really respect and love watchin his films ''his last comments make people sad'' especially Gallipoli,Patriot and Braveheart..

Why Mel Gibson changed his idea about this many Turks are showed some sources and archives to him,its just another reason ;) :)

[deli_dumrul]

probably the ones performed by the Ottoman state against all Christian populations...


All? Are you sure?



H. G. Dwight, the author of the travellers guide book "Constantinople settings and traits", published in 1926, relates his experience of witnessing an Ottoman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Empire) Military burial in Constantinople (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantinople) (modern-day Istanbul (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Istanbul)) and took pictures of it. The soldiers were from every nation, but they were only distinguished by their religion, in groups of "Mohammedans" and "Christians". The sermons were performed as based on the count of Bibles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible), Korans (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koran), and Tanakhs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanakh) in provenance of the battlefield. This is what the caption of one slide reads (on the right):


One officer was left, who made to the grave-diggers and spectators a speech of a moving simplicity. "Brothers," he said, "here are men of every nation - Turks, Albanians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albania), Greeks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greece), Bulgarians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulgaria), Jews (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews); but they died together, on the same day, fighting under the same flag. Among us, too, are men of every nation, both Mohammedan and Christian; but we also have one flag and we pray to one God. Now, I am going to make a prayer, and when I pray let each one of you pray also, in his own language, in his own way.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Muslim_casualties_of_World_War_I

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fe/Constantinople_settings_and_traits_%281926%29-_One_officer_was_left%2C_who_made_the_speech_Brothers_he_said%2C_here_are_the_men_of_every_nation.png/800px-Constantinople_settings_and_traits_%281926%29-_One_officer_was_left%2C_who_made_the_speech_Brothers_he_said%2C_here_are_the_men_of_every_nation.png

[umutferhat]

Hey Mel, I'm still waiting for Mad Max 4 over here. I don't think the Turks will have a problem with you being in that.
Hell,yesssss !!! Mad Maxxxxx

[Peris]

One officer was left, who made to the grave-diggers and spectators a speech of a moving simplicity. "Brothers," he said, "here are men of every nation - Turks, Albanians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albania), Greeks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greece), Bulgarians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulgaria), Jews (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews); but they died together, on the same day, fighting under the same flag. Among us, too, are men of every nation, both Mohammedan and Christian




under what flag?:roll:

[Bongopete]

Now Jews hate him, Muslims hate him. This guy really knows how make friends, doesn't he. Next he perhaps will want to make some Holocaust related movie and will be pressured by some Neo-Nazi Foundation for the Struggle Against Baseless Allegations of Genocide. And then he will be hated by Jews, Muslims and Nazis.


Maybe he is running for President?

[deli_dumrul]

under what flag?:roll:

Check the pic. :bash:

[deli_dumrul]

Even the Armenians were conscripted - yep you guessed it under the Turkish Flag so stop making dumbass arguments with dumbass icons.


According to the terms of the Constitution of 1908, the government of Enver could indeed mobilize the Armenians as well as the Turks in age to be in the armed forces. But an armed opposition started immediately, notably in Zeytoun. At the oriental border, the Armenians began to desert to pass in the Russian armies and the government of Enver, doubtful of the loyalty of those that stayed, separated them from the fighting forces to allocate them to battalions of engineers... In April, 1915, Lord Bryce and ’Friends of Armenia’, in London, began to collect money to arm these deserters. One can’t claim that the Russians remained indifferent in front of the supplement of these volunteers. Finally, at the end of April, they seized Van... And, having massacred the Turkish population, they delivered what remained of the city to the Russian army..."
Clair Price, "The rebirth of Turkey", New York, 1923

[speckfire]

So if this is not true and all fantasy ..who cares what film does Gibson do.

[deli_dumrul]

So if this is not true and all fantasy ..who cares what film does Gibson do.

Tourism is important for Turkey. Midnight Express probably cost us billions.

Bill Hayes - the real guy - showed up recently and apologized for the movie. I will consider this issue settled when somebody shoves that Oscar up Oliver Stone's ...

[Peris]

Check the pic. :bash:


you mean the Ottoman one? roflroflroflroflroflroflroflroflroflroflroflroflroflroflroflroflroflrofl

[saladin]

Wow ! I wonder if there is a "Foundation for the Struggle Against Baseless Allegations of round Earth" rofl
Edit : :) I didn't see InetWarrior post.

Yes Martel, there should also be "Foundation for the Struggle Against Baseless Allegations of Genocide in Algeria by France"

[saladin]

First wanted to show a thing 27.11.2007 its all about when..
....
Why Mel Gibson changed his idea about this many Turks are showed some sources and archives to him,its just another reason ;) :)

His publicist announced that he was not interested in such a movie.

[deli_dumrul]

In 1844 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1844) the current Turkish flag (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Turkey), which derived from the Ottoman Navy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Navy) flag of 1793-1844, was adopted as the first official Ottoman national flag, as part of the Tanzimat (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanzimat) reforms. This flag is still used by the Republic of Turkey (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Turkey). The geometric proportions of this flag were legally standardized with the Turkish Flag Law in 1936 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1936).http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Ottoman_Empire

Stay on topic, and if you dont know sh*t, just shut up... I can also post the current Turkish navy flag with the original one from the 16th century...

[4X4Driver]

Guys...it's just a movie based on allegations as the title of the article says...and as Hollis said they are entertainment first and foremost. Some Hollywood stars do anything if you pay them enough money...and Armenian diaspora makes enough of it from this "victim" industry.

Besides, it's an old news that's been posted with a certain purpose by the usual people ;)

[deli_dumrul]

His publicist announced that he was not interested in such a movie.

Armenians - along with Greeks - should pass another resolution condemning Mel Gibson now.

[Peris]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Ottoman_Empire

Stay on topic, and if you dont know sh*t, just shut up... I can also post the current Turkish navy flag with the original one from the 16th century...


I apologise( with bows) Efendi for not knowing this flag. I know your excellency knows ALL the flags used by Greece since 1821. :)

[Peris]

Armenians - along with Greeks - should pass another resolution condemning Mel Gibson now.



condemn Lethal weapon? no way Jose i just love my 92:)

[Peris]

Even the Armenians were conscripted - yep you guessed it under the Turkish Flag so stop making dumbass arguments with dumbass icons.


from the link provided by you:


'' Non-muslim Millets (minorities for some sources) were also issued a general call to serve in the military for the first time during World War I in the history of the Empire; but they did not participate in action and served behind the lines[9] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Muslim_casualties_of_World_War_I#_note-Occupation)''

[deli_dumrul]

from the link provided by you:


'' Non-muslim Millets (minorities for some sources) were also issued a general call to serve in the military for the first time during World War I in the history of the Empire; but they did not participate in action and served behind the lines[9] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Muslim_casualties_of_World_War_I#_note-Occupation)''

Which proves my original point that I was trying to make when you derailed it with your dumbass comments. We did not massacre people based on religion otherwise we would not have let them join the military. Kapito?

[speckfire]

Armenian diaspora makes enough of it from this "victim" industry.



Please elaborate ? Is Turkey paying up :D

[deli_dumrul]

Please elaborate ? Is Turkey paying up :D

Thats the plan. Armenia asked for $15 billion...

[Peris]

We did not massacre people based on religion otherwise we would not have let them join the military. Kapito?


this means that you didn't massacre at all or you did massacres based on other criteria?

btw the topic is if a country can intervene to stop the production of a certain film.

[m.i.t]

Thats the plan. Armenia asked for $15 billion...

43 posts and cyprus issue hasnt sighted..this is great advance for both side...congrads mates...

15.B bucks...200 usd per Turks...most of them hasnt so much money
in their pockets...no one gives...:)

why 15.B. USD ? who and how calculated?

[deli_dumrul]

43 posts and cyprus issue hasnt sighted..this is great advance for both side...congrads mates...

15.B bucks...200 usd per Turks...most of them hasnt so much money
in their pockets...no one gives...:)

why 15.B. USD ? who and how calculated?

Who knows. I think they also want some land, Mount Ararat "their national symbol" to be specific. I know what they are going to get:

*WARNING*
http://www.nolur.com/


Yes, the topic is about a certain film about an alleged massacre that - according to Greeks in these forums - carried against Christians which is as preposterous as it gets. Take your complaint to chris450.

[Peris]

Yes, the topic is about a certain film about an alleged massacre that - according to Greeks

according to others too

Twenty-two countries and 40 U.S. states (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._state) have adopted formal resolutions acknowledging the Armenian Genocide as a bona fide historical event.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide#Recognition_of_the_Armenian_Genocide

[deli_dumrul]

Against Christians? Yes or No.

[m.i.t]

according to others too

Twenty-two countries and 40 U.S. states (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._state) have adopted formal resolutions acknowledging the Armenian Genocide as a bona fide historical event.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide#Recognition_of_the_Armenian_Genocide


come on...

lets ask the that 42 nations where is the Ermenia in the world ?

or what is the Ermanian or Ermenia ?

do you think they know? who cares something happened 100 years ago ?

also alot of people believe it was a allgetion...

and seriuos point.. l think Turks dont deny genocide..l think they dont

beleive genocide idea..

there is great difference...

no one can put here new things except gogle searches or wiki sources...
even you...

politcian are not saints...
only political lobbying or election tricks for local Ermanian voters...


last night l found a video..people say İsrael is muslim country

fidel castro is a singer ...Yasar Arafat is laeder of AQ...

so one indicated iran is on australia lands...



l think Mel Gibson try to protect his carrier with sensational
gory issues...it doesnt help peace of the peoples...

[Ulytau]

according to others too

Twenty-two countries and 40 U.S. states (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._state) have adopted formal resolutions acknowledging the Armenian Genocide as a bona fide historical event.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide#Recognition_of_the_Armenian_Genocide

Who cares?

Lets check what Anatole France says ;

If 50 million people say a foolish thing, it's still a foolish thing
Turkiye invited Mr. Kocaryan to Lahey also interest to start historian committe Kocaryan said ; This issue is political not HISTORICAL..

Also we rememberin a country when they speaking about Algeria they saying ''historians must speak about this'' but about this issue their parliament can write history and do not care historians interesting isnt it?

Also about numbers still rising and rising last number was 1.800.000 ''infos are from one of my Turkish-Armenian friend rofl'' also we seen some of them how they are honest ''i speaking about diaspora'' cause they attacked to Turkish-Armenians..

Especially their Minister of Foreign Affairs funniest guy i ever seen in my life..He saying;

Turkiye must open borders,we must start trade,we must reach to sea for opening world..Blah blah and blah lol..

Also their dream not only money

Wantin land from Turkiye and border issues etc..Whats the next?

Also easy to see what was the aim of this topic and i guess true i think..

When they showing their so called Eternal Flame maybe they'll interest to show General Dro ''Drastamat Kanayan'' monument..

[chris450]

All? Are you sure?

yes ,as a matter of fact ,i am
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Blight_of_Asia

[Ulytau]

yes ,as a matter of fact ,i am
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Blight_of_Asia

We have documents too mate..

http://www.tallarmeniantale.com/izmir-fire.htm