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avedis
03-04-2008, 01:41 AM
Stumping for Clinton, Steinem Says McCain's POW Cred Is Overrated

AUSTIN, Texas—Feminist icon Gloria Steinem took to the stump on Hillary Clinton’s behalf here last night and quickly proved that she has lost none of her taste for provocation.
From the stage, the 73-year-old seemed to denigrate the importance of John McCain’s time as a prisoner of war in Vietnam. In an interview with The Observer afterward, she suggested that Barack Obama benefits—and Clinton suffers—because Americans view racism more seriously than sexism.
Steinem also told the crowd that one reason to back Clinton was because “she actually enjoys conflict.”
And she claimed that if Clinton’s experience as first lady were taken seriously in relation to her White House bid, people might “finally admit that, say, being a secretary is the best way to learn your boss’s job and take it over.”
Steinem raised McCain’s Vietnam imprisonment as she sought to highlight an alleged gender-based media bias against Clinton.
“Suppose John McCain had been Joan McCain and Joan McCain had got captured, shot down and been a POW for eight years. [The media would ask], ‘What did you do wrong to get captured? What terrible things did you do while you were there as a captive for eight years?’” Steinem said, to laughter from the audience.
McCain was, in fact, a prisoner of war for around five and a half years, during which time he was tortured repeatedly. Referring to his time in captivity, Steinem said with bewilderment, “I mean, hello? This is supposed to be a qualification to be president? I don’t think so.”
Steinem’s broader argument was that the media and the political world are too admiring of militarism in all its guises.
“I am so grateful that she [Clinton] hasn’t been trained to kill anybody. And she probably didn’t even play war games as a kid. It’s a great relief from Bush in his jump suit and from Kerry saluting.”
To The Observer, Steinem insisted that “from George Washington to Jack Kennedy and PT-109 we have behaved as if killing people is a qualification for ruling people.”
Other Clinton proxies, notably Black Entertainment Television founder Bob Johnson and a New Hampshire campaign chair, Billy Shaheen, have generated controversies with their criticisms of Obama. By contrast, Steinem told me the Illinois senator was “an intelligent, well-intentioned person.” She added: “I would like very much to see him be president for eight years after Hillary has been president for eight years.”
But she also opined that “a majority of Americans want redemption for racism, for our terrible destructive racist past and so see a vote for Obama as redemptive.” Then, using a term for the mass killing of women, she added, “I don’t think as many want redemption for the gynocide.”
“They acknowledge racism—not enough, but somewhat,” Steinem continued. “They would probably be less likely to acknowledge that the most likely way a pregnant woman is to die is murder from her male partner. There are six million female lives lost in the world every year simply because they are female.”
Steinem has been a Clinton supporter for several years—even though, as she reminded me, she protested against Bill Clinton’s welfare reforms outside the White House. Her support for the former first lady has become more high-profile of late. She penned a January op-ed for The New York Times backing Clinton and asserting that “gender is probably the most restricting force in American life.” She was also one of the women’s rights activists who signed a Feb. 15 letter published on the Huffington Post that insisted, “It’s time for feminists to say that Senator Obama has no monopoly on inspiration.”
Yesterday’s event, billed by the Clinton campaign as “One Million for Hillary with Gloria Steinem,” was one of several appearances scheduled for the veteran feminist across Texas as Tuesday’s primary looms. It was held in a downtown music venue and was attended by around 200 people, the vast majority of whom were women. Before Steinem spoke, two Clinton campaign ads focusing on female support were shown, to applause.
In her speech, Steinem argued that there was a major sexist component to the murmurs from some quarters suggesting Clinton should abandon her presidential quest.
There is, she said, “a great deal of pressure at play for her to act like her gender and give in.” Several shouts of “No!” came from the crowd. Steinem went on: “It’s a way of reinforcing the gender roles, right? Men are loved if they win and Hillary is loved if she loses. … But maybe we shouldn’t be so afraid of an open convention that actually decides something. After all, it was an open convention in New York City that gave us Abraham Lincoln.”
Steinem’s speech offered, Letterman-style, 10 reasons why she was supporting Hillary. Most were serious, though one of the more flippant was “We get Bill Clinton as Eleanor Roosevelt.”
Steinem, like any good politician, also made sure to praise her surroundings. True to her own spirit, though, she did so in less decorous terms than any candidate for office would dare.
Other than Austin, she said, “there is no community in the whole world that understands how to include everybody, how to be serious and have a good time at the same time, how to be fan-****ing-tastic” quite so well.
UPDATE: The Clinton campaign sends over the following statement from Howard Wolfson: "Senator Clinton has repeatedly praised Senator McCain's courage and service to our country. These comments certainly do not represent her thinking in any way. Senator Clinton intends to have a respectful debate with Senator McCain on the issues."
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http://www.observer.com/2008/stumping-clinton-steinem-says-mccains-p-o-w-cred-overrated

I can't think of a name
03-04-2008, 02:05 AM
Funny, during the 2004 elections all the Democrats were saying that Kerry's Military experience was tantamount to anything else. I see they have reverted to their 1992/1996 stance of Clinton/Bush/Dole That military service means little.

FLIP FLOP. These individuals are all on record in 2004 saying the opposite.

SkyUS
03-04-2008, 02:36 AM
Because I do not support nor Barak or Clinton I have been branded a sexist racist by my friends and other supporters of these two. The article is full of BS.

GazB
03-04-2008, 07:06 AM
The Observer afterward, she suggested that Barack Obama benefits—and Clinton suffers—because Americans view racism more seriously than sexism.


But there are also more women voters than coloured voters... Clinton really suffers because she is a bit of a bitch. She claims Whitehouse experience but has never been voted president before.


Steinem also told the crowd that one reason to back Clinton was because “she actually enjoys conflict.”

Conflict is not a goal to aim for. Cooperation and unity is what the US needs.


And she claimed that if Clinton’s experience as first lady were taken seriously in relation to her White House bid, people might “finally admit that, say, being a secretary is the best way to learn your boss’s job and take it over.”

So I guess Monika Lewinsky is running too?


‘What did you do wrong to get captured? What terrible things did you do while you were there as a captive for eight years?’” Steinem said, to laughter from the audience.


Yeah, these Feminists are real funny... they want rights, but they don't want equality... they want all the rights Men have but also to be treated as women as well. When was the last time a Feminist demanded to be included in the draft? Rights without responsibilities.

Her whole arguement seems to hinge on the fact that in her opinion sexism is a greater problem in the US than racism. I really don't see how putting a token woman in power as president will fix that any more than Obama is going to solve racism issues in his four years. Lets face reality people... what are the odds of Obama being shot before accepting the role of president... probably a lot greater than Hilary getting shot unfortunately.

KoTeMoRe
03-04-2008, 07:39 AM
But there are also more women voters than coloured voters... Clinton really suffers because she is a bit of a bitch. She claims Whitehouse experience but has never been voted president before.



Conflict is not a goal to aim for. Cooperation and unity is what the US needs.



So I guess Monika Lewinsky is running too?



Yeah, these Feminists are real funny... they want rights, but they don't want equality... they want all the rights Men have but also to be treated as women as well. When was the last time a Feminist demanded to be included in the draft? Rights without responsibilities.

Her whole arguement seems to hinge on the fact that in her opinion sexism is a greater problem in the US than racism. I really don't see how putting a token woman in power as president will fix that any more than Obama is going to solve racism issues in his four years. Lets face reality people... what are the odds of Obama being shot before accepting the role of president... probably a lot greater than Hilary getting shot unfortunately.

Pregnancy comes to mind...you better do what they wantp-).

gaijinsamurai
03-04-2008, 09:06 AM
People like Gloria Stienem can continue to campaign for Hillary all they want-it just makes it all the easier for her opponents.

Dominique
03-04-2008, 09:15 AM
I prefer to hear woman moan, not roar.

orionhawk
03-04-2008, 10:11 AM
Because I do not support nor Barak or Clinton I have been branded a sexist racist by my friends and other supporters of these two. The article is full of BS.
yeah, I've caught some of the same stuff from family.

Bongopete
03-04-2008, 10:33 AM
Perhaps Steinem and Jane Fonda can run together next time

bigvig
03-04-2008, 10:35 AM
I prefer to hear woman moan, not roar.

zomgawdzwtfbbq sexxxisst1!@#!11wun1too

IraGlacialis
03-04-2008, 10:45 AM
Sorry, but this came to mind when I saw the title.

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/9424/030107eda6dce2.jpg

ronnieraygun
03-04-2008, 11:53 AM
I prefer to hear woman moan, not roar.

WIN.......

dangerclose
03-04-2008, 02:33 PM
I prefer to hear woman moan, not roar.


Not these women you don't.

2Sheds_Jackson
03-04-2008, 05:57 PM
Steinem has always been a complete train wreck, no reason for her to stop now. Not that there was ever any doubt, but good to see where she came down on the candidates.

ronnieraygun
03-04-2008, 06:02 PM
Steinem has always been a complete train wreck, no reason for her to stop now. Not that there was ever any doubt, but good to see where she came down on the candidates.

You wanna see a train wreck?
Now THIS is a train wreck of feminism:

http://msnbcmedia4.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/050411/050411_dworkin_hmed_6p.hmedium.jpg

In fact, when the meds kick in, I actually feel a little pity for her because she really must have led a slightly miserable life.

SkyUS
03-04-2008, 06:05 PM
Every time I read the title of this thread, I can't even think of anything but this. Then I just can't stop giggling.
http://tinyurl.com/2ptt6s

IMTT
03-04-2008, 06:07 PM
She's tooo sexy for herr shirt

chauncy republicans
03-13-2008, 07:18 PM
GYNOcide huh, I wonder how this bitch prefers to classify abortion?

WKD
03-13-2008, 09:08 PM
You wanna see a train wreck?
Now THIS is a train wreck of feminism:

http://msnbcmedia4.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/050411/050411_dworkin_hmed_6p.hmedium.jpg

In fact, when the meds kick in, I actually feel a little pity for her because she really must have led a slightly miserable life.

Oh dear, Dworkin. A classic example of someone's inability to deal with their childhood and taking it out on everybody else. You're right, when I'm on my meds (as I like to call vodka based cocktails) I also feel a little pity for her. Doesn't stop me from objectifying the barmaid though.