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I can't think of a name
03-04-2008, 06:25 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/joe-wilson/obamas-hollow-judgment_b_89441.html

Joe Wilson


There is no credible reason to conclude that Obama would have acted any differently in voting for the authorization [to go to war in Iraq] had he been in the Senate at that time. Indeed, he has said as much. The supposed intuitive judgment he exercised in his 2002 speech was nothing more than the pander of a local election campaign, just as his current assertions of superior judgment and scurrilous attacks on Hillary Clinton are a pander to those who now retroactively think the war was a mistake without bothering to acknowledge Senator Clinton’s actual position at the time and instead fantasizing that she was nothing but a Bush clone. Obama willfully encourages and plays off this falsehood…
As a consequence of Obama’s dereliction of duty on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, a feckless administration has had absolutely no oversight as it careens from disaster to disaster in Afghanistan, including the central governments loss of control over 70 percent of the country and yet another bumper crop of opium to fuel the efforts of the Taliban and their terrorist allies. Of course, if you don’t hold hearings, conduct oversight, make recommendations or sponsor legislation, then you have no record to explain or defend and you are free to take whatever position is convenient when attacking those who actually did address issues. Meanwhile, on the campaign trail, Obama holds forth on Afghanistan, chiding the administration and our allies as though he’s a profile in courage and not someone who has abandoned his post in establishing accountability…
Obama’s gyrations on Iraq, Afghanistan and Iran are not the actions of one imbued with superior intuitive judgment, but rather the machinations of a political opportunist looking to avoid having his fingerprints on any issue that might be controversial, and require real judgment, while preserving his freedom to bludgeon his adversary for actually taking positions as elected office demands. It is hard to discern whether Senator Obama is a man of principle, but it is clear that he is not a man of substance. And that judgment, based on his hollow record, is inescapable.



Read the whole thing, he basically says that Obama has not voted on anything controversial, that is why he can swing which ever way the wind blows.

Alpheus
03-04-2008, 07:11 PM
It is easy to talk about change, as long as you don't say what you are changing it to.

2Sheds_Jackson
03-04-2008, 07:12 PM
Not that I necessarily disagree with what's being said here, it's just that I can't get past the humor of Joe Wilson writing a piece about the "machinations of a political opportunist".

Invisigoth
03-04-2008, 07:25 PM
Ahh experience, bla bla bla. Someone show me a single political crisis that Hillary has been confronted with (aside from her disastrous campaign). Go home Wilson! :]

Power_serj
03-04-2008, 07:37 PM
I've always said that he has no substance. All you hear is "change...(stuff)...CHHHHHHHANGE!.....CHAAANGE....." Mr.Obama likes to talk about how he wants to change everything.....but he's never, ever said exactly what steps he'll do to change it. All he's said is that he wants to change everything. Since the elections aren't for a dictatorship, his talking of change don't mean anything, because a president always needs Congressional approval before changing anything.

Firetxmi
03-04-2008, 07:47 PM
I've always said that he has no substance. All you hear is "change...(stuff)...CHHHHHHHANGE!.....CHAAANGE....." Mr.Obama likes to talk about how he wants to change everything.....but he's never, ever said exactly what steps he'll do to change it. All he's said is that he wants to change everything. Since the elections aren't for a dictatorship, his talking of change don't mean anything, because a president always needs Congressional approval before changing anything.

Here is a booklet about his plan (how he wants to carry it out):

http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/ObamaBlueprintForChange.pdf

Its pretty in depth. Read it....

On a side note, it does seem like all we hear from Hillary and her ilk these days is "Obama has no experience, experience, experience, exper..." [political advisor hits reset button]

I can't think of a name
03-04-2008, 08:25 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dRvKjJ2dS0

Obama holy water incident. Next he will pass out some Kool Aide.

Nano
03-04-2008, 08:30 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dRvKjJ2dS0

Obama holy water incident. Next he will pass out some Kool Aide.

It would be filled with irony and double meaning if it is served in one of his rallies.

California Joe
03-04-2008, 08:35 PM
Joe Wilson is right. I too thought the war was ill advised and I actually had access to some intel. I however, never made a speech about it to a liberal partisan crowd. Damn it. I coulda been a contender.

DesktopArmor
03-04-2008, 08:37 PM
This reminds me of something my father did this year. (He's a 25+ year college professor) Just after the Maine caucus, he asked all his students to write (optionally) on the back of their quizes what they thought Obama's "change" is all about. In a class of ~70 people, he got around 50 different answers!

shocker1
03-04-2008, 08:49 PM
After this election we will be lucky to have any spare change.

Invisigoth
03-04-2008, 11:17 PM
This reminds me of something my father did this year. (He's a 25+ year college professor) Just after the Maine caucus, he asked all his students to write (optionally) on the back of their quizes what they thought Obama's "change" is all about. In a class of ~70 people, he got around 50 different answers!

He should've asked the same question about Billary instead of Obama, that way he wouldn't have had to read anything ;) Or wait, she changed her opinion on NAFTA and the Iraq War, I guess that counts as change right? :roll:

P.S. Does changing the opponents skin color count as change? Classy Billary, classy ;)
http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/03/did-the-clinton.html

I can't think of a name
03-05-2008, 12:23 AM
Change will be the only thing left in your wallet if Obama gets in the house.

Invisigoth
03-05-2008, 12:28 AM
Change will be the only thing left in your wallet if Obama gets in the house.

Well Bush left ya with nickels and dimes so might as well give the rest of your change to Obama right? ;)

I can't think of a name
03-05-2008, 01:46 AM
http://en.sevenload.com/videos/MUhOpoX/obama-child

check that Obama soundbite out. wow.

I can't think of a name
03-05-2008, 01:47 AM
Well Bush left ya with nickels and dimes so might as well give the rest of your change to Obama right? ;)

How can you make that assumption? Job market is great right now too.

People's General
03-05-2008, 10:09 AM
I think turn left now is good for united states to return to her original track and to repair her image around the world since Bush administration have already gone too right

shocker1
03-05-2008, 10:13 AM
How can you make that assumption? Job market is great right now too.
LOL, I have a degree, ASE master tech and have been looking for a decent job for awhile now. Thanks to the slow economy putting the brakes on my used car dealer service business. Plenty of $9 per hour jobs though, great market there.

If people are not buying used cars with their W2, we are in an economic downturn that is gonna hurt bad. That market is a good indicator of the current state of things.

Invisigoth
03-05-2008, 10:43 AM
http://en.sevenload.com/videos/MUhOpoX/obama-child

check that Obama soundbite out. wow.

Man's got a point....

ViktorNavorski
03-05-2008, 12:35 PM
This is a comment by someone on the that story about the picture of Obama wearing the African garb, good points were made...

If anyone bothers to learn about the rise and fall of the political honeymoon of the just retired ex-President of South Korea, you will be astounded.

President Roh was elected in 2002 by astonishing landslide. A relative new comer and novice administrator, Roh was supported mainly by enthusiastic young voters who were dying for “change” of all the old systems and old politics. Roh promised hope for change. They young supporters used all kinds of digital methods to urge each other to vote and spreading the message to all others to go out to vote. He won. The “conservatives” were shocked.

He employed lots of so nicknamed “boy scouts” for his inner circle, all wide-eyed idealists who vowed to turn Korea upside down, inside out by trying to make changes. The result was miserable. Roh was even abandoned by his own ruling party which itself split into two different parties. His rating went down steadily from overwhelming support of the voting public to a miserable low of less than 20%. The media treated him like dirt. He openly confessed that he felt miserable. With all the good intentions of trying to serve his country for a better future, all the blames were on him instead.

His inexperience, his poor handling of the media, his overly frank and open dialogue with the public, and his choice of his cabinet, etc. were considered as his mistakes.

Now we have someone who is also not too experienced but with lots of enthusiasm to promise “Changes we can deliver” and he has been receiving almost religious zeal by some young ones who view him as the Savior, the miracle-maker who will solve all the serious problems of the US in short order.

Yet he never has managed anything, not even a State, or a city, or a company, or a school, not even one small kindergarten. If running a country is so easy and simple, and it only takes in-born talent, eloquent oratory and a good law degree, then the White House would be over-crowded long ago.

A movie critic, even a good one, not necessarily can produce good movies. A top book reviewer cannot surely write best-selling books. Top food critics can hardly be top chefs either. A leading US senator might and/or might not turn out to be good material for President either. Simple as that.

US is now at a very crucial period as never before. National standing, world image, financial turmoil, energy threats, terrorists, military adventures overseas, gigantic burden of health-care, housing bubble, mounting cost of debts on all levels, just naming a few, all require a very insightful, outstanding leader with clear vision and skillful, steady, able hands to lead the country to sail through the storms coming from all directions. There is no time to fool around with just empty slogans, vague hopes of change, and trifle concerns about abortion rights, gay marriages, gender, race and place of birth etc.

This is not a beauty pageant, or a debating contest or another exercise of using media to brain-wash people paid by fat and powerful interest groups to fool and confuse the public.

I can't think of a name
03-05-2008, 01:08 PM
Man's got a point....

That means a lot coming from a European.

Firetxmi
03-05-2008, 01:14 PM
Plenty of $9 per hour jobs though, great market there.


Amen brother, amen!

Bongopete
03-05-2008, 02:52 PM
How much money do these bozos raise just to get elected?

superbuzzmetal
03-06-2008, 01:03 PM
That means a lot coming from a European.

What are you trying to say ?