General MacKenzie Speaks

[PR0L0gic]

Canadian General Lewis MacKenzie speaks from experience. He has commanded ground troops in some of the world's most dangerous places: the Gaza strip, Cyprus, Vietnam, Cairo, Central America and Sarajevo.

It was in Sarajevo that his superior leadership skills and courage came to the fore. At the start of the Bosnian Civil War, he created and assumed command of Sector Sarajevo and, in the midst of a brutal civil war, with a contingent of troops from 31 nations, and under fire from all sides, managed to open the Sarajevo airport for the delivery of humanitarian aid.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnlAbfpycws


I am posting this interview because during this time I think it is imperative that Europeans and Americans get some exposure to something other than the steady diet of biased anti-Serb news they have been fed for years.


He retired from the Canadian Forces in March of 1993.

His book, Peacekeeper: The Road to Sarajevo, a personal account of his peacekeeping experiences, was a number one best seller, and a two-hour documentary based on the book, A Soldier's Peace, has aired in over 60 countries and won a New York Film Festival award.

He comments regularly on international affairs for The Globe & Mail as well as numerous North American television networks. He is also bringing his high profile and leadership to the fundraising efforts of ICROSS (International Community for the Relief of Starvation and Suffering), a Canadian charity whose mission is to serve the poorest of the poor in Africa, and throughout the world.

For his lifetime achievement in protective services, MacKenzie was named, in 2006, a member of The Order of Canada, the country's highest honour.

[Peris]

Racak staged, says Mckenzie among other things

thanks about the video man

[KninGrad]

Racak staged, says Mckenzie among other things

thanks about the video man

There is one video where the woman that was in charge for the Racak killings investigation stated that those people (KLA soldiers) died during the fighting and were not slaughtered

[AK-Lover]

Thanks for the video.

[INAT]

I do not think this is a surprise to most people who have followed this and educated themselves on the issue.

[Peris]

There is one video where the woman that was in charge for the Racak killings investigation stated that those people (KLA soldiers) died during the fighting and were not slaughtered


it was a Finish expert if i remember. Walker was responsible for this hoax.

[AK-Lover]

it was a Finish expert if i remember. Walker was responsible for this hoax.

Well it was obvious to anyone who watched the un-edited footage from Racak that their had been a pretty intense firefight earlier in the morning and that the KLA had been in force in that village. Their was a timespan from in between when the Serbian security forces left Racak and when the OSCE observers arrived, in which the KLA had returned.

[xSloboxx]

Just sand some free sneakers to the Serbs and they will calm down. MacKenzie is a Serb lobbyist, on their payroll speaking out of his ass.

[Roy Batty]

Just sand some free sneakers to the Serbs and they will calm down. MacKenzie is a Serb lobbyist, on their payroll speaking out of his ass.

Your a twit......

[The Balkan]

Just sand some free sneakers to the Serbs and they will calm down.

Rofl.

For real though I'm in Canada and this guy has always been somewhat of a dip****.

The other day on the news he said nobody should intervene in any of the Balkan conflicts and we should let one side destroy the others. I think it's obvious what he's saying there, and who would've been destroyed.

Then he said "am I showing my bias? Damn right I am".

It was also confirmed later after the Bosnian bull**** that he was paid like $15,000 by a Serb propaganda group. A reporter uncovered it and the group confirmed it.
rofl

[shatro]

Just sand some free sneakers to the Serbs and they will calm down. MacKenzie is a Serb lobbyist, on their payroll speaking out of his ass.

All of this coming from the guy with the SS Handzar soldier in his avatar.
Weren't you banned like few times before?

[AK-Lover]

Just sand some free sneakers to the Serbs and they will calm down. MacKenzie is a Serb lobbyist, on their payroll speaking out of his ass.

Coming from the kid who has an avatar potraying the Waffen SS Division Handzar, good job.

:roll:

[PR0L0gic]

Coming from the kid who has an avatar potraying the Waffen SS Division Handzar, good job.

:roll:
I’m not surprised at all; Albanians were Nazi collaborators during WW II.


Rofl.

For real though I'm in Canada and this guy has always been somewhat of a dip****.

The other day on the news he said nobody should intervene in any of the Balkan conflicts and we should let one side destroy the others. I think it's obvious what he's saying there, and who would've been destroyed.

Then he said "am I showing my bias? Damn right I am".

It was also confirmed later after the Bosnian bull**** that he was paid like $15,000 by a Serb propaganda group. A reporter uncovered it and the group confirmed it.
rofl

The arguments he uses in the video are common sense. About the payroll debate, before accusing this guy, just crosscheck on whose payroll are the ones who promote the anti-Serb arguments.

So, if you still can’t understand that Kosovo is not just black and white. I’ll try to show you how the Serbs feel about Kosovo.

Example for Canadians:

French speaking people accuse the Canadian Government that they are not treated equally, civil riots rise and the Government uses military forces to assist police. France supports / sponsors the French speaking populations of Quebec and uses its international status for a UN intervention. UN sends a multinational peace keeping force lead by Serbian forces. After some time Quebec declares its independence and Serbia is one of the first States to recognize its independence.

Example for the Americans:

What if Latin Americans of the US concentrate to the States that are nearby Mexico, after they settle in the area and some time passes start to accuse the US Government for human rights violations and express the will for autonomy. UN sends a multinational peace keeping force lead by Serbian forces. After some time of autonomy the Latin American entity declares its independence and Serbia is one of the first States to recognize its independence.

Example for the British:

Wales accuses the crown for intervention into the internal affairs of the Welsh local Government; it accuses the British intelligence service bribing / forcing people against the use of the Welsh language and for boycotting events that have to do with the promotion of Welsh heritage. Tensions rise, UN sends a multinational peace keeping force lead by Serbian forces. After some time Wales declares its independence and Serbia is one of the first States to recognize its independence.

Those examples are fiction, as it was fiction in the early 80s’ to state that Kosovo will separate from Yugoslavia.

And of course I don’t need to be on any payroll to realize that the hole -s h i t- with minorities is not in favor of newly establish countries (former colonies) because they are a mosaic of ethnic groups that have migrated to them the last 100 years.

So, to all the smart asses out there, just keep in mind the quote:

“what goes around, comes around”

[xSloboxx]

It was also confirmed later after the Bosnian bull**** that he was paid like $15,000 by a Serb propaganda group. A reporter uncovered it and the group confirmed it.
rofl

Yeah, i bet i could make him bark like a dog on national TV for 5$.

[xSloboxx]

Those examples are fiction, as it was fiction in the early 80s’ to state that Kosovo will separate from Yugoslavia.

And of course I don’t need to be on any payroll to realize that the hole -s h i t- with minorities is not in favor of newly establish countries (former colonies) because they are a mosaic of ethnic groups that have migrated to them the last 100 years.

So, to all the smart asses out there, just keep in mind the quote:

“what goes around, comes around”

I am not Albanian i am Bosnian. Stop insulting me.
Nice of you to try to help the Serbs but you should learn about the subject before you try trowing arguments that might sound close but are not. First of all Albanians where majority on Kosovo in all of its history. It may have been 60% and then got to 90% in 90-s. All of the Albanian separatism started with enver hoxhas boost for Kosovos independence from Yugoslavia so that it could join eastern block led by Soviet Union. Not 80's but 50's.

http://www.osa.ceu.hu/files/holdings/300/8/3/text/104-2-179.shtml

The more you know. Now is it ok for Kosovo to be independent? I don't care. Is it fun to watch Serbian girls robing stores on Youtube, hell yeah.

[The Balkan]

I’m not surprised at all; Albanians were Nazi collaborators during WW II.



The arguments he uses in the video are common sense. About the payroll debate, before accusing this guy, just crosscheck on whose payroll are the ones who promote the anti-Serb arguments.

So, if you still can’t understand that Kosovo is not just black and white. I’ll try to show you how the Serbs feel about Kosovo.

Example for Canadians:

French speaking people accuse the Canadian Government that they are not treated equally, civil riots rise and the Government uses military forces to assist police. France supports / sponsors the French speaking populations of Quebec and uses its international status for a UN intervention. UN sends a multinational peace keeping force lead by Serbian forces. After some time Quebec declares its independence and Serbia is one of the first States to recognize its independence.

Example for the Americans:

What if Latin Americans of the US concentrate to the States that are nearby Mexico, after they settle in the area and some time passes start to accuse the US Government for human rights violations and express the will for autonomy. UN sends a multinational peace keeping force lead by Serbian forces. After some time of autonomy the Latin American entity declares its independence and Serbia is one of the first States to recognize its independence.

Example for the British:

Wales accuses the crown for intervention into the internal affairs of the Welsh local Government; it accuses the British intelligence service bribing / forcing people against the use of the Welsh language and for boycotting events that have to do with the promotion of Welsh heritage. Tensions rise, UN sends a multinational peace keeping force lead by Serbian forces. After some time Wales declares its independence and Serbia is one of the first States to recognize its independence.

Those examples are fiction, as it was fiction in the early 80s’ to state that Kosovo will separate from Yugoslavia.

And of course I don’t need to be on any payroll to realize that the hole -s h i t- with minorities is not in favor of newly establish countries (former colonies) because they are a mosaic of ethnic groups that have migrated to them the last 100 years.

So, to all the smart asses out there, just keep in mind the quote:

“what goes around, comes around”

Right but all that doesn't change the fact that he is still a piece of crap who takes money from propaganda groups to exrpess his "opinion". Usualy when someone was shown to be that kind of person once I tend to ignore them in the future.

:)

The Nazi **** is getting tired. Anyone who joined the Nazis did so cuz they had their own interests in mind, not cuz all of them were in love with nazi ideology and blah blah blah. Back then they didn't think of Nazis like we do today genius. Back then it was just 2 sides in a war. And if Serbia thought they'd get more out of siding with Hitler they would've too. Besides SOME Bosnians and Albanians joined SS. SOME.

And what goes around HAS come around. And that's Kosovo independence. And it's come around a 100 times before, that's nothing new. I'm from the Balkans and have deeeeeeeeeeep roots there in every aspect all over the region, so I don't need anyone to explain that to me.

And what's the alternative exactly? Albanians will never want to live under Serbia anymore, and Serbia can't just magicly make them dissapear from Kosovo. You'd have violence forever. And that's not even factoring in the argument of who's land it is more, that's just thinking with common sense.

[Lokos]

And what goes around HAS come around. And that's Kosovo independence.

Republika Srpska has been a long time in coming.


And what's the alternative exactly? Albanians will never want to live under Serbia anymore, and Serbia can't just magicly make them dissapear from Kosovo. You'd have violence forever.

Exactly... like... in... BiH (RS). But I wonder if Bosniaks treat these issues on an equilateral level.

I find it humourous when Bosniaks on these boards screech about payrolls and mouthpieces. After all, they and the Kosovar Albanians hired professional PR firms to represent them on the world stage during the Yugoslav Succession Wars.


not cuz all of them were in love with nazi ideology and blah blah blah

Considering what happened to the Serbs in Bosnia during WW2, I'd say it was a hate of that beleaguered population, and not any Nazi inclinations, that drove Bosniaks and Croats into the SS. Any chance to 'settle scores' will do, yes?


I'm from the Balkans and have deeeeeeeeeeep roots there in every aspect all over the region, so I don't need anyone to explain that to me.

I'm from the Balkans and have deeeeeeeeeep roots there and I tell you that you're full of it.

Lokos

[9mmRifle]

Thanks for the vid

[PR0L0gic]

I am not Albanian i am Bosnian. Stop insulting me.
Sorry for that... p-)


Nice of you to try to help the Serbs but you should learn about the subject before you try trowing arguments that might sound close but are not.
I don’t claim that I might not be mistaken; I just see things from a different perspective. I didn’t lie about anything, 90% of the public in the western world didn’t have a clue on what was happening back in the 50s as it doesn’t know what is happening know.


First of all Albanians where majority on Kosovo in all of its history. It may have been 60% and then got to 90% in 90-s.
As stated in the document you provided Albanians were a minority (http://www.osa.ceu.hu/files/holdings/300/8/3/text/104-2-179.shtml)

KOSMET (Kosovo & Metohia) is the Yugoslav autonomous borderland province where an Albanian minority of 800,000 lives.
All of the Albanian separatism started with enver hoxhas boost for Kosovos independence from Yugoslavia so that it could join eastern block led by Soviet Union. Not 80's but 50's.
Enver Hoxhas would never dear a direct confrontation with Tito. He just played the game of the Soviets to add pressure on Yugoslavia in order to bring them closer to USSR. If Soviets wanted an actual mutation of a portion of Yugoslavia they would have go for it rather “speak about it” like they did in Prague Spring and in many other occasions...

So, I insist that no one really believed in the 80s that a separation of Kosovo from Yugoslavia would be possible, it would sound like fiction.


And what goes around HAS come around. And that's Kosovo independence. And it's come around a 100 times before, that's nothing new. I'm from the Balkans and have deeeeeeeeeeep roots there in every aspect all over the region, so I don't need anyone to explain that to me.

And what's the alternative exactly? Albanians will never want to live under Serbia anymore, and Serbia can't just magicly make them dissapear from Kosovo. You'd have violence forever. And that's not even factoring in the argument of who's land it is more, that's just thinking with common sense.
So we end up with the conclusion that it’s a pity for Serbia that Tito didn’t have the vision to slaughter the Albanians of Kosovo during the cold war, in a time that both Soviets and the West would have done nothing to prevent it because at that time they both needed to attract Yugoslavia closer to their interests.

As for the Albanians, they were chicken boos when facing Tito, but know with a weaker Serbia being a shadow of the former Yugoslavia they discovered that they can demand more… and more… and more…

[The Balkan]

Republika Srpska has been a long time in coming.



Exactly... like... in... BiH (RS). But I wonder if Bosniaks treat these issues on an equilateral level.

I find it humourous when Bosniaks on these boards screech about payrolls and mouthpieces. After all, they and the Kosovar Albanians hired professional PR firms to represent them on the world stage during the Yugoslav Succession Wars.



Considering what happened to the Serbs in Bosnia during WW2, I'd say it was a hate of that beleaguered population, and not any Nazi inclinations, that drove Bosniaks and Croats into the SS. Any chance to 'settle scores' will do, yes?



I'm from the Balkans and have deeeeeeeeeep roots there and I tell you that you're full of it.

Lokos

I don't deny anything in regards to all of us doing dirt. Can you honestly say anyone was completly innocent in that time? No. I was never trying to imply Serbs are somehow more "dirty" then us, just that this Mackenzie guy is a douchebag.

I can see the case for RS, but I wouldn't go as far as to say it's the "same" as Kosovo. Especialy since RS Serbs commited the majority of war crimes on Bosniaks in the 90's not the other way around.

And honestly wether it's fair or not, we all know most of the European powers and the US won't support RS splitting.

But please lets not exagarate the Bosniak presence in the SS, and ignore the Bosnians of all kinds that fought with Tito. Majority was Serbs but still. And lets not forget that alot of Bosniaks pretty much ditched it, and the Croats turned on them in times too.

"By the New Year of 1943, over 100,000 Muslims had been killed (9% of Bosniaks at the time) and 250,000 were refugees. "The Muslims" remarked one German General, "bear the special status of being persecuted by all others", from '"Himmler's Bosnian Division" by Georg Lepre, p15-16."


So it's not THAT black and white man cmon.

And part of my heretige is Bosnian Serb, on my mothers side.

And I still ask what's the alternative? Magicly make Albanians not hate living in Serbia and magicly make Serbs not hate them back after all that's happend?

[Royal]

Especialy since RS Serbs commited the majority of war crimes on Bosniaks in the 90's not the other way around.

I'd say the B-Croats were well up there in that particular record attempt...

Any way, nasi prijatelj Slobo has left the building. We don't like appolgists for the W-SS here...

[The Balkan]

I'd say the B-Croats were well up there in that particular record attempt...

Any way, nasi prijatelj Slobo has left the building. We don't like appolgists for the W-SS here...

Still not as much as the Serbs. At least according to every source I've ever seen or read. But someone will probly say all those European and US sources hate the Serbs.

And I'm not even saying if the Bosniaks or Croats were in the top position of power they wouldn't have done the same. Uusual the one who does the most damage is the one who's in the position to.

Apologists? lol Just stating my opinion, people chose sides in a war. The side that seemed to benefit their own agendas the most. What did I say wrong there?

[xSlofoxx]

As stated in the document you provided Albanians were a minority (http://www.osa.ceu.hu/files/holdings/300/8/3/text/104-2-179.shtml)

It says that Albanians where a minority in Yugoslavia. Read again.



Enver Hoxhas would never dear a direct confrontation with Tito. He just played the game of the Soviets to add pressure on Yugoslavia in order to bring them closer to USSR. If Soviets wanted an actual mutation of a portion of Yugoslavia they would have go for it rather “speak about it” like they did in Prague Spring and in many other occasions...

Hoxha has fueld separatist movment, he would have never attacked from Albania.

I doubt about Soviet attacking YU. But then again i am Yugoslav and biased.

Stalin: stop sending people to kill me. We've already captured five of them, one of them with a bomb and another with a rifle... If you don't stop sending killers, I'll send one to Moscow, and I won't have to send a second.
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Josip_Broz_Tito

[The Balkan]

Tito was a G.

[AK-Lover]

Tito was a G.

No my child, he was not.

[The Balkan]

No my child, he was not.

And why's that?

[Lokos]

I can see the case for RS, but I wouldn't go as far as to say it's the "same" as Kosovo. Especialy since RS Serbs commited the majority of war crimes on Bosniaks in the 90's not the other way around.


The only reason why Serbs are left with that particular legacy is because they were more militarily successful , and thus had the opportunity to be the 'bad guys'. If the situation had been reversed in 1991-1993, do you really think the Bosniaks would have behaved differently? When Naser Oric was condcting his terror raids out of Srebrenica, where was the coverage? By that time, Serbs were already typecast as the villains. The world couldn't handle the idea of a war with no protagonists.

Lokos

[The Balkan]

The only reason why Serbs are left with that particular legacy is because they were more militarily successful , and thus had the opportunity to be the 'bad guys'. If the situation had been reversed in 1991-1993, do you really think the Bosniaks would have behaved differently? When Naser Oric was condcting his terror raids out of Srebrenica, where was the coverage? By that time, Serbs were already typecast as the villains. The world couldn't handle the idea of a war with no protagonists.

Lokos

lol I admitted that we probly would've done the same at that point if we had the superior power later.

[Lokos]

lol I admitted that we probly would've done the same at that point if we had the superior power later.

Then spare us the 'Serbs committed the most crimes, so...' chains of logic.

Lokos

[The Balkan]

Then spare us the 'Serbs committed the most crimes, so...' chains of logic.

Lokos

Well despite what we agreed on, it's still happend the way it did and we can't change that.



Ok I'm curious. What do you think started the war? Specificly with Bosnia and Croatia? Who would you blame the most?

[Lt. James Anderson]

Ok I'm curious. What do you think started the war? Specificly with Bosnia and Croatia? Who would you blame the most?

Just like any other war you have to have at least two sides ... Bosnian had at least six ...

[Lokos]

Ok I'm curious. What do you think started the war? Specificly with Bosnia and Croatia? Who would you blame the most?

Everybody equally.

Lokos

[agroni01]

War of Words Continues over Kosovo (http://ericmargolis.com/wp/?p=88)

November 21, 1999

As controversy continues over the true number of Albanians massacred by Serbs in Kosovo, Lewis MacKenzie, the former UN Commander in Sarajevo, Bosnia, who seems to have assumed the mission of point-man for the Serb cause, jumped into the fray.
In a 9 Nov newspaper article, he claimed ‘to date fewer than 500 bodies have been found’’ He asserted western public was ‘knowingly misled – even lied to’’ by the US and NATO ‘to justify bombing a sovereign nation.’
On TVO’s ‘Diplomatic Immunity,’ the retired general sat next to me and repeated this canard, insisting Canada had been duped into war by American claims that 10,000 Albanians had died, rather than the ‘only’ 500 he claimed.
US and NATO figures were necessarily estimates because Serbs barred all journalists and aid groups from Kosovo during their ethnic terror. At the war’s confused beginning, US Defense Secretary William Cohen spoke of ‘100,000 missing – and possibly killed.’ But NATO quickly lowered its estimates to 10,000 as information came in.
Last week, Chief UN war crimes investigator Carla Del Ponte issued a long- awaited report on Kosovo. The UN identified 529 potential grave sites, (not 400 that MacKenzie claimed in his article), and examined 195 of them – 36%. Forensic experts had so far exhumed 2,108 bodies(not MacKenzie’s 500). Serbs had tampered with numerous grave sites. The many body parts discovered were not counted as dead. The UN report cited an estimated 11,344 Albanians murdered according to eyewitness reports. The Red Cross reported 5,000 Albanians still missing, over 1,000 alone from the town of Jakova.
More bodies will certainly be unearthed: four years after Serbs massacred thousands of Muslim civilians at Srebrenica, Bosnia, bodies are still being dug up.
The final butcher’s bill in Kosovo will likely reached 11,000 dead, i.e. NATO’s estimate, not including 2,500 Albanian civilians killed and 2,000 disappeared in the year before NATO intervention.
But the simple number of Albanian adults and children whose throats were cut or who were shot in the face is not the most important figure. Serb ethnic terrorism – which MacKenzie daintily terms ‘forced relocation’ – drove nearly one million people to flight, burned their homes, killed their farm animals, and herded them into squalid camps where they would have died of hunger, shock, exposure and disease had the world not raced to their rescue. Recall the majority of deaths in Stalin’s and Hitler’s extermination camps were caused by disease, hunger, and cold, not bullets or gas. NATO prevented a greater mass murder in Kosovo.
Underscoring this point, Secretary General Kofi Annan issued a dramatic report on 15 November detailing the UN’s failure to prevent Serb forces from conducting the systematic massacre of 7,000-9,000 Muslim men and boys at Srebrenica in June, 1995.
‘We failed to do our part to save the people of Srebrenica from the Serb campaign of mass murder,’ said a UN official. The report concludes, ‘The cardinal lesson of Srebrenica is that a deliberate, systematic attempt to terrorize, expel or murder an entire people must be met decisively with all necessary means.’
Not according to former UN commander Lewis MacKenzie. Two months after the 1995 Srebrenica massacre, Mackenzie wrote the following in an article, ‘Hard Realities’ in ‘Macleans’ magazine: ‘Finally, the Bosnian Serbs overreacted by cleansing the entire population center of Srebrenica – all very explainable, if not justifiable.’ (italics mine).
Mass murder an explainable, justifiable overreaction? Not to the United Nations, and not to anyone save the Serb war criminals who conducted this massacre – and their stalwart defender, Lewis MacKenzie.
Kofi Annan’s dramatic report gives the lie to another piece of disinformation spread by MacKenzie, who testified to the US Senate, ‘Dealing with Bosnia is a little bit like dealing with three serial killers.’ All parties in the Bosnian conflict were equally guilty, went MacKenzie’s refrain. There should be no western intervention to save Bosnia’s Muslims, he repeated.
The general told ‘USA Today,’ ’..it probably would take more troops than Desert Storm(600,000)..’ to end the war in Bosnia and keep order. In fact, it took only 40,000 NATO troops, now reduced to 25,000.
Investigative reporter Roy Gutman of ‘Newsday’ revealed Mackenzie had been quietly paid US $15,000 by Serbnet, a US Serb propaganda group, to deliver a series of speeches spreading this disinformation – which delayed American intervention and, I believe, prolonged the slaughter in Bosnia. With charming naivete, Mackenzie claimed he didn’t know who was paying him to travel and give speeches.
The UN report on Bosnia sharply criticizes those who urged inaction in the face of ‘the attempted genocide in Bosnia,’ and negotiations instead of employing force early in the war. It condemns the UN’s bias in remaining neutral in the face of evil – just what this column long maintained during the Bosnian conflict. Canada was so enraptured by the process of peacekeeping, it refused to distinguish between mass murderers and their victims. MacKenzie’s by now notorious ‘serial murderers’ line became the slogan for this morally twisted policy.
It was Lewis MacKenzie, not the US and NATO, that mislead – and continues to mislead – the public over Bosnia or Kosovo. Had NATO not intervened in Kosovo, it would have become a second Bosnia.

[agroni01]

The Lion, the Fox and the Eagle

http://www.amazon.ca/Lion-Fox-Eagle-Carol-Off/dp/0679311386/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1205209946&sr=1-3

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lion,_the_Fox,_and_the_Eagle

MacKenzie is depicted as being ignorant of the Bosnian political situation and manipulated into being a vehicle of Serb propaganda.
MacKenzie's total misreading of the situation, and how most Western efforts at a ceasefire actually prolonged the ethnic cleansing. Lewis MacKenzie, the fox of the title, was initially in charge of a peacekeeping mission in Sarajevo, but was forced out.

[Lt. James Anderson]

[B]It was Lewis MacKenzie, not the US and NATO, that mislead – and continues to mislead – the public over Bosnia or Kosovo. Had NATO not intervened in Kosovo, it would have become a second Bosnia.

What a fake BS ...

[INAT]

Wow look at how anything approaching the truth is smashed and marginalized I mean "Serb point man" come on.No offense to the general he was sort of neutral but he is not a Serbian point man.WOW tha War of words story is utter garbage where did you dig that up from the 90s?
Oh yes it was the 90s and what a great big fat lie how amazing to turn Albanian ethnic cleansing into Serbian ethnic cleansing.Read up on what was happening before the 1999 terror bombing.Here from a non-Serb source even.Every part of this was organized and it has the hallmarks of a CIA operation.Link up with a restive native population and then train ,arm and fund a low level conflict before internationalizing the issue.

And TheBalkan why are you asking such foolish questions as whom exactly started the war when all you will do is use it as bait.You think what you will but if you have not come to conclusion on that in the last 17-18 years then you have no place debating points here .



http://web.ukonline.co.uk/pbrooke/p&t/Balkans/dmonkosovo/Kosovo


agroni01 before you post more tall tales I kindly ask you to make your stance on the issue known.Are you just pulling stories off the net with nothing to say? vbmenu_register("postmenu_3100905", true);

[The Balkan]

Wow look at how anything approaching the truth is smashed and marginalized I mean "Serb point man" come on.No offense to the general he was sort of neutral but he is not a Serbian point man.WOW tha War of words story is utter garbage where did you dig that up from the 90s?
Oh yes it was the 90s and what a great big fat lie how amazing to turn Albanian ethnic cleansing into Serbian ethnic cleansing.Read up on what was happening before the 1999 terror bombing.Here from a non-Serb source even.Every part of this was organized and it has the hallmarks of a CIA operation.Link up with a restive native population and then train ,arm and fund a low level conflict before internationalizing the issue.

And TheBalkan why are you asking such foolish questions as whom exactly started the war when all you will do is use it as bait.You think what you will but if you have not come to conclusion on that in the last 17-18 years then you have no place debating points here .



http://web.ukonline.co.uk/pbrooke/p&t/Balkans/dmonkosovo/Kosovo


agroni01 before you post more tall tales I kindly ask you to make your stance on the issue known.Are you just pulling stories off the net with nothing to say? vbmenu_register("postmenu_3100905", true);

Don't assume man, I didn't use anything as bait. He answered. Do you see me doing anything? Alot of people have different opinions on the wars, what's wrong with asking his?

[INAT]

Don't assume man, I didn't use anything as bait. He answered. Do you see me doing anything? Alot of people have different opinions on the wars, what's wrong with asking his?


Ok sorry I overreacted.You are right.It just seems to me that that question has been debated to death.

[The Balkan]

It's cool, Balkan beasts have short fuses :)

[RWR]

Can I say anything on this subject without being banned?

Last time I posted Newsday article about how MacKenzie admitted that he is on Serb payroll I was suspended...reason cited "posting unauthorized propaganda"...whatever that means.Maybe because I posted that article on thread unrelated with Mackenzie's distorted and well paid views on Balkan issues.My bad.
I hope now this is not the case as the subject of the thread is MacKenize hismelf.


The former U.N. commander in Bosnia has participated in a speakers tour funded by a Serbian-American advocacy group that seeks to dispel the internationally accepted view that Serb fighters were principally responsible for the mass killings, rape and ethnic cleansing that has destroyed the former Yugoslav republic.
In an interview with Newsday, retired Canadian Maj. Gen. Lewis MacKenzie said he has done nothing unethical or improper in connection with last month's tour. MacKenzie last week acknowledged in a telephone conversation from Ottawa that his tour was funded by the group, SerbNet, but said he does not know how much he was paid. In his public appearances, including congressional testimony last month, MacKenzie never disclosed SerbNet's financial support.
MacKenzie said that he customarily receives up to $10,000 an appearance and that he "wouldn't be surprised" if SerbNet paid that rate through his agent.
Accepting money from an advocacy group violates no laws or official policies of the United Nations, but a top U.N. official, who asked to remain anonymous, said, "We quite frankly are displeased with his lack of judgment." MacKenzie, who served as the top U.N. peacekeeper in Bosnia for six months in 1992, argues that all the parties in the Balkans war are to blame for atrocities.


http://www-tech.mit.edu/V113/N29/serbs.29w.html


The SUC [Serbian Unity Congress] has used public relations firms (Manatos and Manatos, McDermott O'Neill and Associates, David Keene and Associates), in order to grant their leaders and paid representatives access to television and radio interviews, congressional sub-committee hearings and U.N. sponsored commissions. These congressional hearings, interviews and official reports are then used as references, which lend legitimacy to their position. For example, the Serbnet speeches made by former UN General Lewis MacKenzie on his speaker-tour are frequently advertised, as are the articles of Sir Alfred Sherman which appeared in the British press.

http://srebrenica-genocide.blogspot.com/2006/08/general-lewis-mackenzie.html


Underscoring this point, Secretary General Kofi Annan issued a dramatic report on 15 November detailing the UN’s failure to prevent Serb forces from conducting the systematic massacre of 7,000-9,000 Muslim men and boys at Srebrenica in June, 1995.
‘We failed to do our part to save the people of Srebrenica from the Serb campaign of mass murder,’ said a UN official. The report concludes, ‘The cardinal lesson of Srebrenica is that a deliberate, systematic attempt to terrorize, expel or murder an entire people must be met decisively with all necessary means.’
Not according to former UN commander Lewis MacKenzie. Two months after the 1995 Srebrenica massacre, Mackenzie wrote the following in an article, ‘Hard Realities’ in ‘Macleans’ magazine: ‘Finally, the Bosnian Serbs overreacted by cleansing the entire population center of Srebrenica - all very explainable, if not justifiable.’ (italics mine).
Mass murder an explainable, justifiable overreaction? Not to the United Nations, and not to anyone save the Serb war criminals who conducted this massacre - and their stalwart defender, Lewis MacKenzie.
Kofi Annan’s dramatic report gives the lie to another piece of disinformation spread by MacKenzie, who testified to the US Senate, ‘Dealing with Bosnia is a little bit like dealing with three serial killers.’ All parties in the Bosnian conflict were equally guilty, went MacKenzie’s refrain. There should be no western intervention to save Bosnia’s Muslims, he repeated.
The general told ‘USA Today,’ ‘..it probably would take more troops than Desert Storm(600,000)..’ to end the war in Bosnia and keep order. In fact, it took only 40,000 NATO troops, now reduced to 25,000.
Investigative reporter Roy Gutman of ‘Newsday’ revealed Mackenzie had been quietly paid US $15,000 by Serbnet, a US Serb propaganda group, to deliver a series of speeches spreading this disinformation - which delayed American intervention and, I believe, prolonged the slaughter in Bosnia. With charming naivete, Mackenzie claimed he didn’t know who was paying him to travel and give speeches.
The UN report on Bosnia sharply criticizes those who urged inaction in the face of ‘the attempted genocide in Bosnia,’ and negotiations instead of employing force early in the war. It condemns the UN’s bias in remaining neutral in the face of evil - just what this column long maintained during the Bosnian conflict. Canada was so enraptured by the process of peacekeeping, it refused to distinguish between mass murderers and their victims. MacKenzie’s by now notorious ‘serial murderers’ line became the slogan for this morally twisted policy.
It was Lewis MacKenzie, not the US and NATO, that mislead - and continues to mislead - the public over Bosnia or Kosovo. Had NATO not intervened in Kosovo, it would have become a second Bosnia.


http://www.ericmargolis.com/archives/1999/11/war_of_words_co.php

[AK-Lover]

Well considering General Lewis Mackenzie spent more time in Bosnia during the war than any of you have I think I'll take what he says with some faith.

[The Balkan]

Well considering General Lewis Mackenzie spent more time in Bosnia during the war than any of you have I think I'll take what he says with some faith.

Me and my family were there for the whole war and after...

How can you have faith in a guy we know took money to speak on one sides behalf? And who said stuff like "we shouldn't have helped anyone, should let one side destroy the other".


BTW why did the guy who posted the article get suspended wtf? I don't think I understand the rules of this site lol. You're allowed to post articles representing one point of view but not the other?

*confused*

[guest]

I "spent" time in the Balkans.

You are all talking about my boss.
All of you.. you all suck. I have little respect for any of you.
Every side did horrible, horrible things.. you should be hiding in a dark corner, covered in shame.

[Roy Batty]

I "spent" time in the Balkans.

You are all talking about my boss.
All of you.. you all suck. I have little respect for any of you.
Every side did horrible, horrible things.. you should be hiding in a dark corner, covered in shame.



sniff......sniffff......I think I love you man.... p-)

[The Balkan]

I "spent" time in the Balkans.

You are all talking about my boss.
All of you.. you all suck. I have little respect for any of you.
Every side did horrible, horrible things.. you should be hiding in a dark corner, covered in shame.


Heh :roll:

[Pleonasm]

I "spent" time in the Balkans.

You are all talking about my boss.
All of you.. you all suck. I have little respect for any of you.
Every side did horrible, horrible things.. you should be hiding in a dark corner, covered in shame.Pah, I've never liked the idea of collective guilt.