Back up sks?

[Adriatick]

I found an interesting video on youtube that tries to make the point that all soldiers should carry a vulture sks as a back up weapon in case u.s. ammunition runs low or supply lines just aren't reaching them. So I'm just wondering if his arguement has any real credit to it.


http://youtube.com/watch?v=Xt7Zdp2W7eY

[Noble713]

I love my SKS, but if I'm dismounted I'd rather carry another 8 pounds of 5.56 instead of a backup rifle that I won't even use 99% of the time.

Unless you are sitting on an enemy weapons cache that you found it's not like you are going to have a sufficient supply of 7.62x39. Were you planning to recover ammo from dead enemies? If you are kicking their asses so bad that you can secure their corpses and scavenge weapons/ammo, then the situation probably isn't so dire as to need enemy war material to continue the fight anyway.

In other words, the entire premise is poorly thought out and wrong.

[Adriatick]

Well that is what this guy is saying, you magically end up without any support whatsoever and you start finding stripper clips or magazines of 7.62x39. I personally don't think he really thought this out properly especially if you start reading the "about this video" side where he even argues about reloading time between the sks and M-16 as if soldiers don't have more than 1 magazine on them.

[Hawaii_Light]

carrying another weapon, even without ammo is a hassel, exspecially if you were in a situation that called for and allowed for you to pick up an enemy combatants weapon then it would just be easier to pick up a dropped AK or whatever. the military has this covered for the most part by conducting basic weapon handling skills on common enemy weapons for some units. and it dosn't take anything special to handle an old Soviet K which is one of the reasons they are so popular as well as they are abundant.

[ShakesFIST]

I've been over there for 2 years total and have never seen a 7.62x39mm stripper clip in use. Its always been loose rounds or rounds in mags.

If I run out of 5.56 and have to start using enemy ammo I might as well use their weapons too rather than trying to carry another weapon around. An SKS wouldn't be my choice of enemy weapons either. AK's and G3's are much more common rifles and I would rather use one of them before an SKS.

After reading the "About this video" this guy needs to get his facts straight.

[Mister_manji]

Its dynamicpara. He's a bit of a tool. He's a Stryker hater, among other things, and while he has one or two good points, the rest is tripe.

[chop shop]

Its dynamicpara. He's a bit of a tool. He's a Stryker hater, among other things, and while he has one or two good points, the rest is tripe.
well said. tripe indeed.

[Noble713]

Its dynamicpara.

That sounds like a name Mike Sparks would use.....

links to www.combatreform.com? Yeah, that's definitely him. He's a certifiable whackjob.

[matsalleh18]

but still you cannot reload this SKS with an Ak mag can you?

Quote: "Ak Any Day"

[James]

Well that is what this guy is saying, you magically end up without any support whatsoever and you start finding stripper clips or magazines of 7.62x39. I personally don't think he really thought this out properly especially if you start reading the "about this video" side where he even argues about reloading time between the sks and M-16 as if soldiers don't have more than 1 magazine on them.

Since magic is involved, I'd take Harry Potter's wand as backup.

[James]

That sounds like a name Mike Sparks would use.....

links to www.combatreform.com? Yeah, that's definitely him. He's a certifiable whackjob.

Oh, I remember him... :roll:

[Scrim]

That sounds like a name Mike Sparks would use.....

links to www.combatreform.com? (http://www.combatreform.com?) Yeah, that's definitely him. He's a certifiable whackjob.
Its going to get awful heavy with the folding bicycles he thinks every soldier should carry as well. Douche.

[Hollis]

Maybe he can provide a aim bot and some hacks too, that would deffinately help.

[Laworkerbee]

A pistol grip makes your weapon more accurate rofl

Out of all the great firearms in 7.62X39 this guy suggests humping a customized SKS, pure genius! I can't wait until he creates an account here on milphotos.

[James]

He reminds me of 8thidchoadeatererer or whatever that guys name was...

[ronnieraygun]

He reminds me of 8thidchoadeatererer or whatever that guys name was...

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/member.php?u=20981

LOL I was wondering why I had not seem him post in a while...

[benbach]

Yeah running out of ammo sucks (not that I know from first hand experience) but Im sure it would. But in that case just pick up a rifle from the guy you just wasted.

An idea i had a while back and maybe some other people have this idea too.

Instead of carrying another gun why not carry another action that we could slide into place that would be chambered for the most common round of the enemy.

[benbach]

A pistol grip makes your weapon more accurate rofl

Im purtty sure pistol grips dont make weapons accurate, i think the guy shooting it makes it accurate.

may just be me though

[nickless]

Instead of carrying another gun why not carry another action that we could slide into place that would be chambered for the most common round of the enemy.

And how would that be supposed to work?

With the M4, the only thing you would be able to use on a 7,62x39mm gun is probably the buttstock. ;)

[Adriatick]

Ah good to hear your opinions I certainly find a good amount of his videos a bit err "misinformed" especially the one where he starts suggesting replacing unit patches with colored cards that you write position on and his advice on flipping the ACU inside out and his rant on the "Gavin".

[ShakesFIST]

I looked at some of his videos and he is lacking in the clue department. He suggested wearing Multicam uniforms in ACU cut. What a wonderful idea! Too bad I have people that try to make sure people are wearing correct uniforms.

Carrying spare ammo in stripper clips in your frag pouches? Great idea! Or better yet, I could just carry more LOADED mags. :roll:

His unhealthy obsession with the "Gavin" also borders on insanity....

[James]

Maybe we should get Segway scooters for soldiers.

[Adriatick]

Just got a pm by him after I commented on his vid with the points mentioned in this thread(which he removed) apparently he says that the sks's wouldn't be carried by the soldiers but in the "Gavin" and that 99.9% of soldiers don't get familiarization with foreign weapons like the AK. If you are going to carry sks's in the "Gavin" you might as well be carrying a lot more of 5.56 ammunition so you would never have to buy and use a modernized sks.

[ShakesFIST]

Maybe we should get Segway scooters for soldiers.

You get to work on procuring them and I will start the search for the uparmor kits. Together we will be credited for winning The War Against Terror! p-)

[Adriatick]

Carrying spare ammo in stripper clips in your frag pouches? Great idea! Or better yet, I could just carry more LOADED mags. :roll:

His unhealthy obsession with the "Gavin" also borders on insanity....

Lol like I said he seems to think that Soldiers/Marines only carry 1 mag or at the most 3 at a time and rely completely on stripper clips afterward. As for his obsession with the M113 I still personally think the Stryker is a better system overall.

[matsalleh18]

Maybe this Guy has been playing to much Cod 4 ,Run out of m4 ammo and use ak on his back ,lolz !!!

[Adriatick]

Maybe he does play COD4 a bit much. So far I've had a long debate with him over pm never seems to explain himself well and just gives me links to sites like combat reform or saying my mind or logic is completely screwed up.

[LRPV]

Maybe a thread merge/addition....:)



http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=128648

[loganinkosovo]

1. The Guy sounds like he is 12 years old and the only battle he has fought in is in Mom's backyard.

2. The only weapon with stripper clips? I guess those 1903 and 1917 clips I had were just my imagination.

3. Rifles have bayonets to use when you run out of ammo.

4. Just kick the enemy in the nuts and take his weapon.....works every time.

5. Do not just pick up what ever you find in a warzone though...good way to kill yourself and your buddies too.

[JC0352]

He didn't allow my comments on his "video" to get posted, but he has sent several messages to me in response. Supposedly, I'm too young to know what I'm talking about and I'm obsessing over my "victim experiences".:roll:

Does anyone know anything else about this guy or his credibility? It seems he was just dancing around my questions.

[Laworkerbee]

Does anyone know anything else about this guy or his credibility?

He has none, don't waste any more thought on him.

[tf_echelon]

carrying around an SKS is a big pain in the ass. i own two with polymer stocks, and both of them are heavier than with the original wood stock. that i haven't seen a mount to put optics on that is worth anything, they are usually always modified bolt covers which aren't stable at all. and i don't know who said it, but picking up an enemy weapon that is lying around seems a bit more logical in any case. either way this guy needs to not only get his facts straight but also talk to some guys that have been over there that know that the least amount of stuff you carry the better.

[JC0352]

He has none, don't waste any more thought on him.

Roger that. That's what I figured; thanks LAWB.

[Adriatick]

Ah had a long debate with this guy I wonder if I should post it it's a good laugh. Anyone interested?

[tf_echelon]

yes just so i can "officially" call him a whacko.

[ShakesFIST]

Ah had a long debate with this guy I wonder if I should post it it's a good laugh. Anyone interested?

I've been doing the same thing. The guy is stubborn as hell and refuses anything that counters his ideas. Its actually kind of funny (well enough to make my roommates laugh).

[Adriatick]

Alright here goes quite long though
1st response to my comment on his vid that he removed
>>Do some math.

You are wading into the enemy's logistics vs what you can carry.

Use your head.

Mike

My response>>So you are telling me that you are going to have a modernized sks for every soldier inside the M113? you might as well just stock up on even more 5.56 in that case so you never have to resort to it in the first place the cost of another weapon for every soldier would be quite large. Also I doubt the percentage you gave is true and even if it is it isn't that hard to operate a AK(just taking a look at it gives you a basic idea, that's why it's so popular it's practically idiot proof), I mean if you really need to know how take a look at Youtube there are plenty of vids describing how to properly operate one.

2nd response
>> Do some math.
>
> You are wading into the enemy's logistics vs what you can carry.
>
> Use your head

Me>>I am using my head,remember we're using your amazing "Gavin" here that should be able to transport the ammunition that will be needed in a firefight and solve the bulk a soldier has to carry if that is what you are saying. As for enemy logistics you don't always find stripper clips and mags just laying around and in a hypothetical situation say against insurgents you could very well be helping them build a larger cache of modernized weapons as now when a soldier dies instead of getting only 1 weapon and ammunition(that probably isn't compatible except with that weapon that they took off the soldier,what they probably have is most likely to be Ak's or sks's using 7.62x39)now they get 2 weapons one being the M4 and the other being the modern sks which is compatible with their cache of ammunition and offers certain advantages over the AK series such as accuracy, so if anything it can very well help them build a larger cache of weapons that being modernized are more lethal in that they are not old pieces of junk. If you really want to hurt them some more you should use their weapons and ammunition and when a firefight is over and victory is achieved bring those weapons back to your side and use that cache of ammo to familiarize rest of the guys and repeat. Also you said it yourself that a soldier should use a weapon that is familiar to them so why not bring more ammunition for that heavily modified M4 with ACOG instead of having to buy a weapon that soldiers would probably never use most of the time and nowhere as lethal as the M4 is in the same hands unless you're going to ask soldiers to buy the same equipment for the sks as they do with the M4.

P.S.:I doubt you even read through my arguements huh?

3rd response
>> Go to web page, I'm not going to retype it all for you:

www.geocities.com/transformationunderfire/thunderrun.htm
www.combatreform.com/thunderrun.htm

No resupply and you you use up all your U.S. ammo carried on board your vehicles.

FACE IT.

Stop making up crap about carrying more.

Mike

Me>>
Let me guess these are your sites wow isn't that a great source of info and explain to me how I'm making up crap about carrying more ammo you can find unconventional places to store ammo. As I said if you truly run out all ammunition then you find and use your enemy's weapon most likely an AK or derivative and you deprive them of 1 more weapon and ammunition. You only answer in short little lines and never give me a full explanation of what I'm apparently not getting in your eyes.

Most recent response I'm not going to bother with any longer
>>SKS under M113 Gavin bench seat doesn't bump any 5.56mm ammo storage. Go take a look under a bench seat.

SKS strapped to outside in bag or on VULTURE weapon rack doesn't bump ANY 5.56mm ammo.

There is far more ammo on dead Soldier bodies and in their caches than ANY motor vehicle can carry.

If it were not so, why do you think we need ammo resupply even for mech units? According to your illogic we just carry all we need in the Gavin.

Go to web pages and READ about the VULTURE concept.

Mike

He tends to avoid my questions and gives me very vague and short answers.

[Laworkerbee]

Direct him to this thread, I'm sure he will get heartburn p-)

[Adriatick]

Direct him to this thread, I'm sure he will get heartburn p-)

Ah the revival of 8thidpathfinder then huh?

[JC0352]

Direct him to this thread, I'm sure he will get heartburn p-)

i did yesterday!:)

[ShakesFIST]

I'm currently arguing about the SKS with him. I keep saying something along the lines that an AR47 (I even explained what it was to him to prevent him from thinking I mistyped AK47) would better better for what he proposes and he just keeps telling me to "Read the site, SKS is more accurate than AKM"

[Adriatick]

Lol how did he take it? I'm guessing he claimed we were all 12 year olds who knew absolutely nothing about the military huh? I am 17 btw but I get my info from buds that are serving and friends family members serving as well as this ever helpful board.

[ShakesFIST]

Lol how did he take it? I'm guessing he claimed we were all 12 year olds who knew absolutely nothing about the military huh? I am 17 btw but I get my info from buds that are serving and friends family members serving as well as this ever helpful board.

He keeps sticking to his "facts" rather than addressing what I'm saying it seems. I'm only arguing things that I personally know about and have experienced (for the most part) so its kinda hard to call BS on things I know are true.

[Adriatick]

He keeps sticking to his "facts" rather than addressing what I'm saying it seems. I'm only arguing things that I personally know about and have experienced (for the most part) so its kinda hard to call BS on things I know are true.

Yea he dodges questions by stating his "facts" and insulting your intelligence and logic and constantly saying you are not reading properly as you cannot understand his pov.

[ShakesFIST]

Yea he dodges questions by stating his "facts" and insulting your intelligence and logic and constantly saying you are not reading properly as you cannot understand his pov.

He really hasn't insulted my intelligence or logic much, he has said I didn't read his site in every response though. I'm just trying to help him realize that his point of view is very flawed in a number of ways. He has made some good points but most of what he has responded with has done nothing but repeat the same thing over and over.

[Laworkerbee]

No resupply and you you use up all your U.S. ammo carried on board your vehicles.

If that is the case, being short of 5.55mm is the least of your worries, your vehicles are "black" and if there is no hope of resupply....start looking for a white flag or stick your head between your legs and kiss your ass goodbye.


There is far more ammo on dead Soldier bodies and in their caches than ANY motor vehicle can carry.

"Private I want you to run through enemy fire and collect all that ammo and haul it back here ****to!"

"Yes I know it is 300 meters"

"Are you back talking me? You lack HOOHAH Son now get moving!"

"Great job Private but what the f*ck are these AK magazines good for? I need stripper clips not magazines! There must be some ammo some where, I've heard there is tons of ammo on enemy bodies"



rofl............

[Adriatick]

rofl............

rofl...sadly I won't be debating with him anymore it gets nowhere and he just continues to insult your logic and redirecting you to his sites.

[Hollis]

We have this thread and then we have Americans and What ever about guns............. What is going on, are the anti-gunner trying to give us all headaches.


If I was his Gunny, and he showed up with a spare SKS to carrying, ..... Lets just say he would be walking funning after that.


Use search alternate have been discussed to ab nauseum.