Russian Nazis

[Bongopete]

Hitler's Ghost -- Russia Becomes Fertile Ground for Neo-Nazis
New America Media, Commentary, Franz Schurmann, Posted: Dec 08, 2005
Editor's Note: PNS editor Franz Schurmann looks at contemporary events through the historian's lens. In Russia today, the nation's growing ethnic and foreign-born population increasingly suffers brutal attacks from more and more neo-Nazis, while Russian politicians crack down on dissent. It's fertile ground for fascism, writes Schurmann, emeritus professor of history and sociology at U.C. Berkeley and author of numerous books.

Are Russians destined to be the successor to Adolph Hitler's Germans? Hitler died by his own hand in April 1945, but now his spirit has come back in the form of young Russian neo-Nazis, who could number 50,000 or more, according to the Moscow Bureau of Human Rights.

When he was only minutes away from death, Hitler reportedly said, "The German people were not worthy of me." The 50,000 Russian Nazis who salute the swastika and intone the "Hail Hitler," on the other hand, might be. They ignore their grandfathers and grandmothers, who sacrificed their lives to destroy Hitler's hordes.

Race was the issue that propelled Hitler into supreme power in January 1933. The year 1932 was horrendous because too many jobs vanished, while those jobs that were available went to those whom Hitler considered "foreigners," in good part Jews. Hitler preached that the Germans and other Nordic peoples (including the British) were a super-race of warriors and geniuses that could fight through any challenge.

In the 1936 Olympics Hitler refused to shake hands with Jesse Owens, the greatest black runner of his time. And he also refused to believe that so many Jewish geniuses got Nobel Prizes.

In Europe the meaning of race is generally different from that in the United States, where "race" means skin color. In Europe, race means roots, which results in many races. In the 1830s in the Austrian empire, renowned Catholic bishop Josip Strossmayer propagated that every person has only one "mother tongue." Though he had a German name, his mother tongue was Slavic.

Some researchers believe "Hitler" is a Czech name, and, if that is the case, Hitler was a genetic member of the vast Slavic linguistic family in Europe. Hitler's friend from his hometown of Linz, August Kubizek (a Czech name), also came to Vienna and they roomed together.

But Hitler also read about the great gods of the Hindu Aryans, who used similar words in the Greek and German languages. In the early 1920s, Hitler designed a flag for his party, the National Socialist German Workers Party, that featured his Hindu swastika, but with broken spokes.

During the Soviet period, possession of Hitler's book "Mein Kampf" (My Struggle) was grounds for immediate execution in areas ruled by the Soviet Union. But after 1991, when the Cold War thawed and the Soviet empire fell apart, copies were plentifully available in the new Russia. It's a new Russia that, like Germany in the 1932, is increasingly full of foreigners.

In the late 1990s, there were only 5,000 Chinese in all of the Soviet Union. Now, in Putin's Russia, there are 3.26 million Chinese, making them the fourth-largest ethnic group. The rank order is as follows: Russians, 104.1 million; Tatars (Muslims), 7.2 million; Ukrainians, 5.1 million. Vietnamese illegal immigrants, too, account for hundreds of thousands working in the underground economy in Russia.

It's enough to cause fear and resentment. Russian neo-Nazis did not appear during the 1990s, when democracy and free enterprise flourished in the new Russia. But on the literal eve of the turning of the year 1999 into 2000, President Boris Yeltsin handed the reins of power over to former KGB agent Vladimir Putin. Putin began to rule with an iron hand, and played his xenophobia card.

An example is a visit by President Putin to the Russian Far East and Siberia. Putin summed up his trip, saying, "if the people here do not regenerate their region and economy they will all be speaking Chinese."

The new Russia, where democracy is ebbing away while media is oppressed, critics are being jailed and human rights groups and other NGOs are being purged, is fertile ground for the birth of Hitler's new followers.

In the North Caucus city of Nalchik in October, 150 young Muslims attacked government buildings and were brutally repressed. In St. Petersburg on Nov. 30, university student Timur Kacharava was beaten and stabbed to death by a dozen Nazis. A friend of his who wouldn't give his name told media, "St. Petersburg Nazis are not a disorganized gang. They are a full-fledged military group."

Pavel K. Baev, who writes for the Jamestown Foundation, a Washington, D.C-based think tank, sums up the situation:

"There are few doubts that it is exactly this war spreading across the region as a brushfire of criminal violence and underground fire of Islamic extremist networks that drives the growth of Nazi-type of organizations, while the human rights NGOs feel the pressure of 'attention' from the concerned authorities. It is quite ironic that the Kremlin courtiers have found nothing better than to celebrate the end of the "time of troubles" some 400 years ago, while a new period of turmoil and dislocation was so visible from so many windows in Moscow; it may not even wait for Putin's departure in 2008."

The year 2008 is already full of tension -- elections will take place for new presidents in the United States and Russia, and China will host the Olympics. Putin will be gone, but not the Russian neo-Nazis. They could conceivably organize and reach a critical mass in the city of Moscow, paving the way for fascism in the former Soviet Union.

http://news.newamericamedia.org/news/view_article.html?article_id=a7b67686a22786cf11b1dcbb316b3999

[RICHICOQUI]

No comment:roll: I know where this thread is headed!!

[Hellfish]

It's just a jump to the left
And then a step to the right
With your hands on your hips
You bring your knees in tight
But it's the pelvic thrust that really drives you insane,
Let's do the Time Warp again!

[ronnieraygun]

It's just a jump to the left
And then a step to the right
With your hands on your hips
You bring your knees in tight
But it's the pelvic thrust that really drives you insane,
Let's do the Time Warp again!


I think that Sweet Transvestite guy was Adam Curry's dad (the guy from MTV) and yeah, this forum has a lot of time warps for posts and such

[Flamming_Python]

This article is full of inaccuracies and hype.

However it is true that the neo-nazis are a big problem problem for Russia, as well as nationalism and ethnic tensions in general.

[sreto]

In the North Caucus city of Nalchik in October, 150 young Muslims attacked government buildings and were brutally repressed.

Right. Because if you attacked government buildings elsewhere they wouldnt beat your ass.

[daily666]

Right. Because if you attacked government buildings elsewhere they wouldnt beat your ass.

Those buildings were raided by a large group of militants. I'd repress their ass too.

[TopolA]

They are not really Nazis, but rather hardcore nationalists who refuse to allow foreigners to turn Russia into another France or UK....

[VPR]

the methods they use arent exactly effective, they beat up the occasional lone foreigner,

why not go against the chechens? they are really responsible for crime, why attack some construction worker who came to earn some money

usually evil will not produce anything good, in the long run especially, and with the current ethnic tensions due to the 1st and second wars, the situation isnt simple

[Mr.K]

ahh good old articles about Russia from 2005,all the same. Oil broke 60$ that year, and Khodorkovsky got slammed.p-)

Topol: Russia is very far from France or the UK, on many, many, many levels...

[Digimon]

They are not really Nazis, but rather hardcore nationalists who refuse to allow foreigners to turn Russia into another France or UK....

Sure, real patriots... Who could possibly call them Nazis?

http://www.youtube.com/v/r1uR95pQhsM

.... what makes these people Nazis is not so much their philosophy or political agenda, it is their methods and their way of being - they crave being feared. Slogans change, flags change, crosses, swastikas, sickles - all of these might change, but these cannibals will not change... ideology is simply an excuse to let the aggression flow, and they would kill Slavs and Russians with the same ease as they now kill Asians and North Caucasians.

[Kak]

Being a Russian neo-Nazi is as incredibly stupid as being an African-American KKK member.

[randomguy]

1) Hitlers plan was to kill all slavic peoples after taking full control of Europe, he believed slavs were below the Germans.

2) "New America Media" <-- your seriously going to believe an article about Russia will be unbiased coming from these guys? Thats like trusting an article about black people from a KKK newsletter.

3) Stalin wouldv executed any Nazis after the war, Russian or not.

4) Russians are not Soviets, Russians have a culture, religion, beliefs, traditions and festivals like any other nation.

5) Regarding anyone who believes so...Slavic people arnt nationalists you stereotypical mother****ers:bash:. If you believe it, go to a USA vs Anyone sporting event and youl see thousands of nationalists carrying American flags and chanting USA!! USA!!!

[delio]

Being a Russian neo-Nazi is as incredibly stupid as being an African-American KKK member.


What!!!!!

http://www.kewego.fr/video/iLyROoaftPHD.html

[Snoshi]

They are not really Nazis, but rather hardcore nationalists who refuse to allow foreigners to turn Russia into another France or UK....

LOL.. Are you really sure? Because i am pretty damn sure that they worship Hitler and other nazi scum.

[Doublethinker]

1) Hitlers plan was to kill all slavic peoples after taking full control of Europe, he believed slavs were below the Germans.


No such plan existed.




4) Russians are not Soviets, Russians have a culture, religion, beliefs, traditions and festivals like any other nation.


And like with any other European nation, the fall of imperalism is followed by the rise of ethnic nationalism.

Nothing to be hysterical about.



5) Regarding anyone who believes so...Slavic people arnt nationalists you stereotypical mother****ers:bash:. If you believe it, go to a USA vs Anyone sporting event and youl see thousands of nationalists carrying American flags and chanting USA!! USA!!!

Why can't we, Slavic people, be nationalists? We share common heritage and may make similar mistakes and one way or another we develop in a pretty much similar paradigm as our Western European friends.

[Kak]

No such plan existed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Untermensch
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebensraum
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalplan_Ost
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extermination_of_Soviet_prisoners_of_war_by_Nazi_Germany

[Kilgor]

No such plan existed.


He only wanted certain elements of the soviet population killed, Jews, commissars, communists.

The remaining was to be put to labour for the Reich. The "India" for Germany.

[Snoshi]

No such plan existed.



The final version of Generalplan Ost, essentially a grand plan for ethnic cleansing, was divided into two parts; the Kleine Planung ("Small Plan"), which covered actions which were to be taken during the war, and the Grosse Planung ("Big Plan"), which covered actions to be undertaken after the war was won (to be carried into effect gradually over a period of 25-30 years).[1]

The Small Plan was to be put into practice as the Germans conquered the areas to the east of their pre-war borders. The individual stages of this plan would then be worked out in greater detail. In this way the plan for Poland was drawn up at the end of November, 1939. The plan envisaged differing percentages of the various conquered nations undergoing Germanisation, expulsion into the depths of Russia, and other fates, the net effect of which would be to ensure that the conquered territories would be Germanized.

In ten years' time, the plan called for the extermination, expulsion, enslavement of most or all Poles and East Slavs living behind the front lines in Europe. (With some small amounts being Germanised) Instead, 250 million Germans would live in an extended Lebensraum ("living space") of the 1000-Year Reich (Tausendjähriges Reich). Fifty years after the war, under the Große Planung, Generalplan Ost foresaw the eventual expulsion and extermination of more than 50 million Slavs beyond the Ural Mountains.

In 1941 it was decided to destroy the Polish nation completely and the German leadership decided that in 10 to 20 years Polish state under German occupation was to be fully cleared of any ethnic Poles and settled by German colonists. [2]

Of the Poles, by 1952 only about 3-4 million people were supposed to be left residing in the former Poland, and then only to serve as slaves for German settlers. They were to be forbidden to marry, the existing ban on any medical help to Poles in Germany would be extended, and eventually Poles (believed by the Nazis to be Untermenschen, that is "sub-people") would cease to exist. The majority of Poles should perish in the Pinsk Marshes areas according to Hitler's statements during his "Tischgespräche".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalplan_Ost

[Doublethinker]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Untermensch
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebensraum
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalplan_Ost
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extermination_of_Soviet_prisoners_of_war_by_Nazi_Germany

the main proof for the existence of such policy is Wetzel's memo regarding the plan.

But if you actually read it, Wetzel criticizes the plan for NOT devoting almost ANY attention to the slavic question and directly states that the question of attitude towards Russian population is completely ignored in the draft of the plan for ruling of Eastern territories.

It is Wetzel who proposes to relocate the non-Nordic element to Siberia and use as labour force.

There's absolutely NO proof that his idea was approved. And even he himself called for separation and germanification of population which preserved Nordic traits.

[Kilgor]

Note the word "enslavement" in the above article.

There was No plan to kill ALL Russians, poles, etc. Someone had to work for the Reich.

[Doublethinker]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalplan_Ost

Unfortunately, no copies of this plan are in existence, so its pretty much nothing more than a speculation based on a single written document - Wetzel's memo and several incoherent testimonies.

[Doublethinker]

Note the word "enslavement" in the above article.

There was No plan to kill ALL Russians, poles, etc. Someone had to work for the Reich.

People should stop treating Wikipedia as an Encyclopedia.

And try to work with sources.

[Xaito]

Note the word "enslavement" in the above article.

There was No plan to kill ALL Russians, poles, etc. Someone had to work for the Reich.

oh - that makes it much better then, huh? rofl
I wonder why Russia didn't fight for Hitler back then like some other countries? man it really missed some great benefits like death, slavery and work for the Reich p-)

[Snoshi]

Unfortunately, no copies of this plan are in existence, so its pretty much nothing more than a speculation based on a single written document - Wetzel's memo and several incoherent testimonies.


As has already been mentioned, the future of the East had been decided in what was known as Generalplan Ost. It is interesting, and not without significance, that the body responsible for the drafting of this plan was the Reich Security Office (Reichssicherheitshauptamt - RSHA), that is, an agency whose task was to combat all enemies of Nazism and Nazi Germany. It was a strictly confidential document, and its contents were known only to those in the topmost level of the Nazi hierarchy. Unfortunately not a single copy could be found after the war among the documents in German archives. Nevertheless, that such a document existed is beyond doubt. It was confirmed by one of the witnesses in Case VIII before the American Military Tribunal in Nuremberg, SS-Standartenführer, Dr. Hans Ehlich, who as a high official in the RSHA was the man responsible for the drafting of Generalplan Ost. Apart from this, there are several documents which refer to this plan or are supplements to it.

The principal document which makes it possible to recreate with a great deal of accuracy just what was contained in Generalplan Ost is a memorandum of April 27, 1942 entitled: Stellungnahme und Gedanken zum Generalplan Ost des Reichsführers SS (Opinion and ideas Regarding the General Plan for the East of the Reichsführer SS).2 Its author was Dr. Erich Wetzel, the director of the Central Advisory Office on Questions of Racial Policy at the National Socialist Party (Leiter der Hauptstelle Beratungsstelle des Rassenpolitischen Amtes der NSDAP). This memorandum is in a way an elaboration of Generalplan Ost - a detailed description of Nazi policy in Eastern Europe.

The evidence of Hans Ehlich showed that the final version of the Plan came into being in 1940. It was preceded by a number of studies and research projects carried out over several years by various academic centres to provide the necessary facts and figures. The preliminary versions were discussed by Himmler and his most trusted colleagues even before the outbreak of war. This was mentioned by SS Obergruppenführer Erich von dem Bach-Zelewski during his evidence as a prosecution witness in the trial of officials of the SS Main Office for Race and Settlement.

The final version of Generalplan Ost was made up of two basic parts. The first, known as Kleine Planung, covered the immediate future. It was to be put into practice gradually as the Germans conquered the areas to the east of their pre-war borders. The individual stages of this "Little Plan" would then be worked out in greater detail. In this way the plan for Poland was drawn up at the end of November, 1939. TOP

The second part of the Plan, known as Grosse Planung, dealt with objectives to be realized after the war was won. They were to be carried into effect gradually and relatively slowly over a period of 25-30 years. TOP

Generalplan Ost presented the Nazi Reich and the German people with gigantic tasks. It called for the gradual preparation of a vast area of Eastern Europe for settlement by Germans and eventual absorption into the great Thousand-Year Reich. This area covered territory stretching from the eastern borders of Germany more or less to a line running from Lake Ladoga in the north to the Black Sea in the region of the Crimea in the south. The Thousand-Year Reich was thus to absorb the whole of Poland, Czechoslovakia, the Baltic countries excepting Finland, (for the moment) and a huge chunk of the Soviet Union - most of Russia, Byelorussia, the Ukraine and the whole of the Crimea. According to the Plan, these areas were to be "germanized" before being incorporated into the Reich.

The Nazi document uses the term "Germanization of Eastern Territories" (Eindeutschung der Ostgebiete). The phrase might suggest that the author of the Plan had in mind the Germanization of the native populace of these areas. However, it is clear from the further wording of the plan that any attempt to Germanize the Slav nations of Eastern Europe was never in the reckoning. On the contrary, the plan stipulated that these Slav territories would be settled by Germans while the vast majority of the native populace would be gradually pushed out. Only an insignificant number was to be Germanized. In short, Generalplan Ost provided for the expulsion of millions of people, primarily Slav nations, from their homes and the settlement of Germans in their place. This would have been an enormous task requiring a fairly long period of time and a formidable effort. For it would be easier to expel the people living in these areas than to find a sufficient number of Germans to repopulate them. The Plan, drawing on the material collected in the preliminary stages, concluded that 31 million people would have been deported in the course of 25 years. However, in his 1942 memorandum, Dr. Wetzel revised this figure (taking into account certain territorial changes, natural increases, etc.) and arrived at a total of 51 million.

At the time when Wetzel was writing his comments, Generalplan Ost had ceased to be merely a blueprint. Its first part, the KleinePlanung, was already being put into practice. The western areas of Poland had been incorporated into the Reich, hundreds of thousands of Poles had been expelled from them, and further deportations were in progress. Hundreds of thousands of Poles were dying in various concentration camps, while millions of Jews, herded into ghettos and still ignorant of their fate, were awaiting "the final solution of the Jewish problem." The rulers of the Third Reich were in a hurry to carry out their criminal plans while there was still a war to divert the attention of the world from what was going on in Eastern Europe.
http://www.dac.neu.edu/holocaust/Hitlers_Plans.htm

[9mmRifle]

LOL.. Are you really sure? Because i am pretty damn sure that they worship Hitler and other nazi scum.


The Russians have disgraced themselves

[Kilgor]

oh - that makes it much better then, huh? rofl
I wonder why Russia didn't fight for Hitler back then like some other countries? man it really missed some great benefits like death, slavery and work for the Reich p-)

And you think im excusing it ?

Your a idiot.

[Xaito]

And you think im excusing it ?

I don't know - do you?

[Kak]

Saying

"He only wanted certain elements of the soviet population killed, Jews, commissars, communists.

The remaining was to be put to labour for the Reich. The "India" for Germany."

certainly does look a bit like you're trying to say "it wasn't THAT bad", and making any comparison to India regardless of what you meant looks diminishing and ridiculous.

Anyways, I think the Nazi actions against the Slavs speak louder than any words.

[daily666]

oh - that makes it much better then, huh? rofl
I wonder why Russia didn't fight for Hitler back then like some other countries? man it really missed some great benefits like death, slavery and work for the Reich p-)

First of all there was no Russia back than, it was Soviet Union. Second, it did fight for Hitler right from 17th of September 1939 up until 22nd of June 1941.


On September 17, 1939, the Soviet Red Army invaded the eastern regions of Poland in cooperation with Germany.The Soviets were carrying out their part of the secret appendix of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, which divided Eastern Europe into Nazi and Soviet spheres of influence.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/2b/Second_World_War_europe.PNG/622px-Second_World_War_europe.PNG

So I fully sign under Kilgor's statement.

[Nephilim]

Oh my...
60 years ago these morons would have be gased or shot by the nazis and now they run around with swastikas and the hitler salute...
quite smart.....

[Xaito]

So I fully sign under Kilgor's statement.
the one that said that not all polish people would have been killed?


The Soviets were carrying out their part of the secret appendix of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, which divided Eastern Europe into Nazi and Soviet spheres of influence.
devided Eastern Europe? I thought the Soviets fought for Hitler? Why'd they have to devide it then? Or maybe Soviets fought for themselves afterall? ;)


First of all there was no Russia back than
Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic - happy? ;)

[Codazo]

just realy stupid people that have nothing to do and want to be part of something. they should go back to schools read some and talk to older pèople.

[Mr.K]

just realy stupid people that have nothing to do and want to be part of something. they should go back to schools read some and talk to older pèople.
Most of them don't go to schools. When you have nothing to be proud of, well then you say that you're proud of being (insert nationality, race, skin color).

[Ulytau]

They are not really Nazis, but rather hardcore nationalists who refuse to allow foreigners to turn Russia into another France or UK....

I seen their videos when they cuttin head of two Tajik..Also i know about they killed an Armenian cause he was lookin like an eastern people.

Still we reading,hearding about racist attacks and you can be sure they are bunch of idiots their brain giving order to their body 5 min later or something..

Funny thing when some people supportin them they were calling Nashi Groups ''Putin-Walking Together Youth Movement'' as a racist..

If i know true Nashi groups are aganist anti-semitist,racist and neo nazi groups in Russia.

[Flamming_Python]

I seen their videos when they cuttin head of two Tajik..Also i know about they killed an Armenian cause he was lookin like an eastern people.

Still we reading,hearding about racist attacks and you can be sure they are bunch of idiots their brain giving order to their body 5 min later or something..

Funny thing when some people supportin them they were calling Nashi Groups ''Putin-Walking Together Youth Movement'' as a racist..

If i know true Nashi groups are aganist anti-semitist,racist and neo nazi groups in Russia.

The actions of those scum are disgusting. They are using methods similar to Islamist forces; terrorist attacks and bombing trains, beheading of ethnic minorities, assasinations, etc...

Most of the true nationalists/neo-nazi's in Russia are rather anti-Putin it's certainly true.

As for Nashi, Medvedev I think has already stated that he will disband it.

[Ghelp]

What a oxymoron.

[Ulytau]

The actions of those scum are disgusting. They are using methods similar to Islamist forces; terrorist attacks and bombing trains, beheading of ethnic minorities, assasinations, etc...

Most of the true nationalists/neo-nazi's in Russia are rather anti-Putin it's certainly true.

As for Nashi, Medvedev I think has already stated that he will disband it.

There was a documentary movie about them most of them tryin to be prof like special forces ''they were doing weapon training,fightin etc''

About Nashis honestly dunno about their future but they can stay as a little organization cause they have really much members..

[Flamming_Python]

There was a documentary movie about them most of them tryin to be prof like special forces ''they were doing weapon training,fightin etc''

About Nashis honestly dunno about their future but they can stay as a little organization cause they have really much members..

BTW man I love your avatar :)

[Bongopete]

They are not really Nazis, but rather hardcore nationalists who refuse to allow foreigners to turn Russia into another France or UK....

So, a rose by another name, eh?

[Ulytau]

BTW man I love your avatar :)


Thank you mate its from my favorite Turkish Cartoon Magazine..

One of their cover for protestin PM Tayyip Erdogan rofl

http://www.penguen.com/content/Kapak/kapak127.jpg

[Doublethinker]

http://www.dac.neu.edu/holocaust/Hitlers_Plans.htm

Relocation of Poles began even prior to the drafting of the plan. It hardly proves anything. Germans had a seperate plan for Poles in Poland. Moreover, usually their actions were incoherent, since Poles from some regions were expelled, in others they were 'aryanized', in others they were 'germanified'. It pretty much depended on the local gauleiter.

Yet again, the plan with regards to Russians probably was adopted in some way. Yet there is absolutely no proof that Wetzel's proposals were accepted or implemented with regards to Russians, Ukrainians, etc. Since even despite his hardcore attitude, he suggested keepeing the 'Nordic' element of the Slavic population. And as soon as the invasion began, many Germans reported that blue-eyed, blond women and men were much more in common in Kiev and Minsk than in Berlin.