Is Poland going to kill Treaty of Lisbon?

[Herrmannek]

I hope they are going to do this time

http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,541501,00.html

Discuss...

[intelligenzija]

Last week some LaRouche followers stopped me on the street and wanted to convince me that the treaty of Lisbon is fascist.
I honestly did not understand their line of argument.
The only thing I understood was their concern that the treaty lifts the souvereignity of the states withing the EU and that parliaments will lose all power and become useless.

[daily666]

It's not Poland. It's Kaczynski again.

There's nothing to discuss. Kaczynski, again, shows how much of an idiot he is and how much influential on him is that another idiot in Torun. Xenophobic, antisemitic, overly nationalistic biggots.


A recent opinion poll shows that over 60 percent of Poles support the treaty and just 13 percent oppose it. Most of the opposition comes from within the ranks of the followers of the controversial Polish priest, Father Tadeusz Rydzyk. Rydzyk's Radio Maryja (more...) radio station opposes the EU and was instrumental in getting the Kaczynski twins into power in 2005.

Yes Rydzyk is the idiot from Torun I have mentioned above.

[Herman the German]

However he has now said his party would only back the treaty if the ratification bill included a statement affirming that Poland's constitution takes primacy over EU law and that Poland has the right to leave the union at any time
:roll:
Whats the sense of an Eu legislation if it could be overruled by national law?
If Kaczynski will block his own compromise he will lose the last sympathies and credibility he has left in the major Eu countries.

[Herrmannek]

Who cares about sympathies... Treaty of Lisbon is dog poo and thus should be taken down... I can't understand why anyone would need more integration than we already have... Its already idiotic some bureaucurves that don't even speak my language tell me whats good for me and whats not... Of course this can't be stopped unless something really bad happens... So yes if this must be Kaczynskis political sepuku let it be...

[Freedom-Fries]

The Kaczynski, I can never tell them apart they both act the same, think the same. Which of them one is anti-Lisbon ?

[Herrmannek]

ex prime minister, actually president is more liberal(leftist wise) than his brother, and president's wife.. hell she is a full fledged feminist...

[joka]

Internal Polish disputes shouldn't spill over to affect the whole of EU, and I doubt it will.

[Herrmannek]

Internal Polish disputes shouldn't spill over to affect the whole of EU, and I doubt it will.

After looking at you location one thought stroke my mind: People claiming to live in a non existing country don't have voice in this dispute :)

[joka]

After looking at you location one thought stroke my mind: People claiming to live in a non existing country don't have voice in this dispute :)

Missed. I haven't claimed The EU is a country, yet. :)

[Herrmannek]

Missed. I haven't claimed The EU is a country, yet. :)

Is it me or Yet at the end of the sentence sounds as a threat :)

[joka]

Is it me or Yet at the end of the sentence sounds as a threat :)

Suppose that depends on what you'd call a threat, it wasn't intended as one.

[corran.pl]

I hope they are going to do this time

http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,541501,00.html

Discuss...

Hardly doubt it... its time to leave this sinking ship called Europe.

link (please - can someone with better English then mine translate this):
http://www.tvn24.pl/1001034,1,1,sondy.html

[joka]

Recent studies suggest that if you concentrate your mind super duper hard, it actually is possible to relocate a country with sheer will power.

[daily666]

Hardly doubt it... its time to leave this sinking ship called Europe.

link (please - can someone with better English then mine translate this):
http://www.tvn24.pl/1001034,1,1,sondy.html

Sinking ship? Any good arguments to call it sinking?

[TheBelgian]

Christ I hate those fat little Kaczynski midgets.

How the hell is Europe a sinking ship? Man, people moan and b!tch so much about Europe, but its basically all that is keeping our region prosperous and reasonably competitive in an age of emerging economical and political powerblocks like China, Russia and India. If it fell apart and if we were all back to our little countries, we'd be so screwed. There's a reason most of the European establishment backs this treaty. Its the best way forward. I pray to god that little gnome wont block an important piece of legislation which is backed by 60% of his own constituents and vital to the continuing development of the EU.

[daily666]

Christ I hate those fat little Kaczynski midgets.

How the hell is Europe a sinking ship? Man, people moan and b!tch so much about Europe, but its basically all that is keeping our region prosperous and reasonably competitive in an age of emerging economical and political powerblocks like China, Russia and India. If it fell apart and if we were all back to our little countries, we'd be so screwed. There's a reason most of the European establishment backs this treaty. Its the best way forward. I pray to god that little gnome wont block an important piece of legislation which is backed by 60% of his own constituents and vital to the continuing development of the EU.

Don't worry, if those idiots will block it in the Parliament then a referendum will have to be carried out and with 60% of supporters the verdict is preety predictable. I only hope that some kind of compromise will be done until tommorow (Parliamentary debate).

[wholagun]

only one party is against voting down the Lisbon treaty, and even still, there are members of PiS that support the treaty's ratification.

Skiorski may be right in saying that PiS is committing political Harakiri

[Herman the German]

The German news claims that the Polish parliament has finally approved the treaty.woot

Could a Polish member please confirm..

[daily666]

The German news claims that the Polish parliament has finally approved the treaty.woot

Could a Polish member please confirm..

Yep! I confirm. There was a split on the issue within the Kaczynskis party.

Polish deputies approve EU treaty

Polish parliament has overwhelmingly backed the EU reform treaty, after weeks of argument.

The opposition Law and Justice party had threatened to vote against the treaty, fearing it could place limits on Polish sovereignty.

President Lech Kaczynski also objected, putting forward an alternative bill before a compromise was reached.

The bill will now go to the upper house and the president has said he will ratify it "with the greatest pleasure".

In a rare address to parliament before the vote, Mr Kaczynski said that adopting the Lisbon Treaty would be "good news for Poland and good news for Europe".

The treaty, which was signed by European Union leaders in Lisbon in December 2007, aims to make EU institutions more efficient.

It has already been ratified by Hungary, Slovenia, Malta, Romania, France and Bulgaria.

Last month, Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk suggested that there may have to be a referendum on the treaty.

Now the only referendum is due to take place in Ireland in June.

[futurepilot2004]

Only we can stop this now.
Many people were going to vote against it to show their displeasure with the Prime Minister but he`s resigned today so we`ll probably pass it.

[Sevryn]

Polish parliament has overwhelmingly backed the EU reform treaty, after weeks of argument.


They managed to pass it somehow? I thought we were going to have a referendum on in, well at least it seemed that way for a while.

This is bad, now the EU will come in and force all of us to become gay like the rest of the world. rofl


Ohh well proves my point eastern Slavs are bandwagon jumpers, jumping from one calamity to another just to fit in with the suicidal western slavs.