Srebrenica Massacre

[The Dane]

Good documentary on the Srebrenica Massacre(1h19m).

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5126512112668960041

One of my good friends got out in time, thanks god.

[Dextermination]

Good documentary on the Srebrenica Massacre(1h19m).

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5126512112668960041

One of my good friends got out in time, thanks god.

I'm glad your friend survived, I also got friends from both sides, both bosnians and serbs and they live without any hate to eachother at all actually. It's sad that things like this happen though.

[The Dane]

I'm glad your friend survived, I also got friends from both sides, both bosnians and serbs and they live without any hate to eachother at all actually. It's sad that things like this happen.

Okay. that seems weird in my opinion..??
The Serbs went crazy at one point..??

[Dextermination]

Okay. that seems weird in my opinion..??
The Serbs went crazy at one point..??

What do you mean?

[TeslaN]

Okay. that seems weird in my opinion..??
The Serbs went crazy at one point..??

Serbs are nice people, as long as you don't mess with them.
Srebrenica was a response to the terrorization of Serbian villages around Srebrenica.

Every action has an equal and opposite reaction so to answer your question, NO, Serbs did not just go crazy at one point:bash:


Just compare to the recent incidents in and around Gaza Strip...in response to the terrorist shelling of Israeli town of Sderot by Palestinian missiles, Israeli forces killed over a hundred people in the Gaza Strip, combatants (Hamas members) and non-combatants (civillians) alike. Thats the only way they will ever learn.

[little icebear]

Serbs are nice people, as long as you don't mess with them.
Srebrenica was a response to the terrorization of Serbian villages around Srebrenica.

Every action has an equal and opposite reaction so to answer your question, NO,

There were massacers and warcrimes by all sides involved (and I hope there are not more to come), but for fvcks sake DO NOT try to justify the Srebrenica massacre by calling it a "reaction".
The Serbs involved in planning and executing this horrible crime are murderers. Period.
No pain that Serbs have been subjected to will ever justify such horrors.

[digrar]

This is being watched. So play nice.

[The Dane]

Serbs are nice people, as long as you don't mess with them.
Srebrenica was a response to the terrorization of Serbian villages around Srebrenica.

Every action has an equal and opposite reaction so to answer your question, NO, Serbs did not just go crazy at one point:bash:


Just compare to the recent incidents in and around Gaza Strip...in response to the terrorist shelling of Israeli town of Sderot by Palestinian missiles, Israeli forces killed over a hundred people in the Gaza Strip, combatants (Hamas members) and non-combatants (civillians) alike. Thats the only way they will ever learn.

lahha-blahaaha

[The Dane]

Serbs are nice people, as long as you don't mess with them.
Srebrenica was a response to the terrorization of Serbian villages around Srebrenica.
Okay, didn't wan't too start a fight !!
But hey, you are simply insanse, ?..

[gaijinsamurai]

There were tragedies that effected everyone in the former Yugoslavia. It's a shame, because the vast majority of Serbs, Croats, Slovenians, Bosnian Moslems, and others just wanted to live in peace.

[INAT]

Danskeren was getting crazy with me on another thread and this thread if fragile.
I have read the RS report and then the report Emperor Paddy Ashdown
made the RS revise it.If you study and interview people and dig you see
that the official story is false.

I am not gonna start but here is some interesting reading you decide.

8. Articles on Srebrenica
========================================================

“Why should one read articles refuting the Srebrenica massacre claim?”
by Jared Israel
Includes the suppressed UN report on genocide against Bosnian Serbs living near Srebrenica. With comments on the report by Petar Makara.
http://emperors-clothes.com/sreb/mem.htm
Procitajte ovaj tekst na srpsko-hrvatskom
http://emperors-clothes.com/s-c/s-zasto.htm


Evidence that the supposed Srebrenica execution video is a fabrication:

"Srebrenica Srebrenica 'Execution' Video, Part 1: What I’ll prove and how I’ll do it,"

by Jared Israel
http://emperors-clothes.com/sreb/vid.htm
Procitajte ovaj tekst na srpsko-hrvatskom:
http://emperors-clothes.com/s-c/s-sreb1.htm
"Srebrenica 'Execution' Video, Part 2: Mission Impossible,"
by Jared Israel
http://emperors-clothes.com/sreb/location.htm
Procitajte ovaj tekst na srpsko-hrvatskom:
http://emperors-clothes.com/s-c/s-sreb2.htm
"'Execution' Video, Part 3: The Media Moves Mountains,"
by Jared Israel
http://emperors-clothes.com/sreb/moves.htm
Procitajte ovaj tekst na srpsko-hrvatskom:
http://emperors-clothes.com/s-c/s-sreb3.htm
"UN Military Officer Carlos Branco asks, 'Was the Supposed Srebrenica Massacre a Hoax?'"

Comments by Jared Israel and Petar Makara
http://emperors-clothes.com/sreb/branco-1.htm
“Reporter's Account of Evening Spent with Commander of Bosnian Muslims in Srebrenica,”at


http://emperors-clothes.com/analysis/oric.htm

Oric's crimes are reminiscent of atrocities committed by Bosnia Muslim Waffen SS troops during World War II. During the 1990s some articles in a Sarajevo Muslim extremist newspaper fondly remembered the Nazi-organized Waffen SS, whose activities Oric emulated. These articles are translated, with comments, in "Himmler was their Defender," at

http://emperors-clothes.com/bosnia/svijet.htm
“Why has the War Crimes Tribunal suppressed testimony about Srebrenica?”

by Jared Israel and Max Sinclair
http://emperors-clothes.com/articles/sinclair/why.htm
Below we've posted a series of communications, involving several emails, a NY Times article and an Emperor's Clothes reply to the Times article. The people involved are:
-- David Rohde, the Christian Science Monitor (now New York Times) reporter who claimed he discovered mass graves containing victims of a supposed massacre in Srebrenica;
-- Professor Drasko Jovanovic, a distinguished physicist;
-- and Jared Israel and Max Sinclair, from Emperor's Clothes.


We've posted the texts in chronological order:

1. David Rohde had been corresponding with Professor Jovanovic about Srebrenica. Prof. Jovanovic sent Rohde an Emperor's Clothes article. Rohde replied with an email criticizing the article. This email is reprinted at

http://emperors-clothes.com/letters/inaccurate.htm
2. Jovanovic sent Rohde's comments to Emperor's Clothes. Sinclair and Israel responded by email, posted at
http://emperors-clothes.com/letters/reply.htm
3. Prof. Jovanovic also sent Emperor's Clothes a short memoir of his experiences as a boy in Nazi-occupied Yugoslavia. It is posted at
http://emperors-clothes.com/letters/letterj.htm
4. Rohde then took his dispute with Emperor's Clothes to the pages of the NY Times. Jared Israel responded at
http://emperors-clothes.com/articles/jared/fulltext.htm
5. Prof. Jovanovic also replied to Rhode. Read his reply at
http://emperors-clothes.com/letters/farewell.htm
“The Deconstruction of a Trauma (http://emperors-clothes.com/analysis/falsely.htm),”

by René Grémaux and Abe de Vries
http://emperors-clothes.com/analysis/falsely.htm
“Five Years On & the Lies Continue,”
by Jared Israel


http://emperors-clothes.com/articles/jared/texts.htm

This article appeared in the summer of 2000 as a full page ad in the Sydney Herald (Australia) and the New York Post.

“Thoughts On Srebrenica,”
by
http://emperors-clothes.com/articles/standefer/hoax.htm


I try to provide sources is this enough ?

[little icebear]

Ah! All the evidence from one source... and in addition the website makes a very unbiased and completly reputable impression...

Well, if there is a good thing about the fact that my fatherland lost WW II the hard way, than it is, that we learned to accept the dark spots in our history.

Other people choose to be ignorant about their past, rewrite their history and look for other people to blame.

[INAT]

Ah! All the evidence from one source... and in addition the website makes a very unbiased and completly reputable impression...

Well, if there is a good thing about the fact that my fatherland lost WW II the hard way, than it is, that we learned to accept the dark spots in our history.

Other people choose to be ignorant about their past, rewrite their history and look for other people to blame.


I am sorry please do not be rude! Germany has not learned from her past as far as the Serbs are concerned
The first thing after reunification was to cut up Jugoslavia .They are in the Balkans now and the German airforce bombed Beograd in 99 just like in 41 finishing the work they left in WW2.I am presenting one point of view.If you are a educated adult you read many views and come to a conclusion.




May 2000 letter by Willy Wimmer to then-German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder, as translated (http://www.zmag.org/Sustainers/Content/2007-02/18grubacic.cfm) by Andrej Grubacic (from German (http://www.uni-kassel.de/fb5/frieden/themen/NATO-Krieg/wimmer-rupp.html))
Last week I had the opportunity to attend a conference in Bratislava, the Capitol of Slovakia, organized by the American State Department and American Enterprise Institute (Foreign Policy Institute of the Republican Party). The main subject of the meeting was the Balkans and the process of NATO enlargement.
The conference was attended by high political officials, as indicated by the presence of numerous regional prime ministers, as well as ministers of foreign politics and defense. Among the many important topics discussed, a few deserve special emphasis:
1. The organizers of the Conference (US State Department and American Enterprise Institute) demanded a speedy recognition of Kosovo, according to international law.
2. It was explained by the organizers that the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia must be kept out of every rule-of-law organ, and especially out of the Helsinki accords.
3. European rule of law is a hindrance to NATO. The American system of law is therefore more suitable for Europe.
4. The war against Yugoslavia was fought to rectify an incorrect decision of General Eisenhower during World War II. In this manner, because of the strategic reasons demanding the stationing of US soldiers in this region, the faulty determination has been corrected,
5. The European allies took part in the war against Yugoslavia in order to, de facto, overcome the dilemma which presented itself after the acceptance of the "new strategic concept" of the Alliance in the April of 1999, and to overcome the inclination of the Europeans to secure a previous mandate of the UN or the Organization for European Security and Cooperation.
6. Europeans allies may legalistically reason that this war against Yugoslavia, which was outside the treaty's domain, was an exception. However, it is clear that this is a precedent, which they can and will call upon at any moment.
7. NATO should now fill the area between the Baltic and Anatolia, as it was filled by Roman forces during the height of the Roman Empire.
8. In addition, Poland must be surrounded from the north and the south by democratic neighbor states; Bulgaria and Romania should provide the territorial connection to Turkey; in the long run, Serbia must be kept out of European development (probably to further the safety of the American military presence).
9. North of Poland it is important to establish complete control of all access routes from St Petersburg to the Baltic Sea.
10. In each process, the right for people's self determination should be given priority before all other regulations or rules of the international law.
11. The statement that NATO's war against Yugoslavia was a violation of all relevant regulations and rules of international law did not encounter any opposition.
After this conference, where the discussion was very open and candid, we cannot avoid the long lasting importance of the conference conclusions, especially taking into account the professional rank and competence of its participants and organizers.
The American side seems to be conscious, that in order to pursue its interests, it needs to undermine the rule of law developed as a result of the two World Wars. Power must be above justice. Where international law stands in the way, it must be removed. When a similar development was embraced by the League of Nations, the Second World War was not far away. A way of thinking that puts self-interest in such an absolute position can not be called anything but totalitarian [...]
In the light of all the above, the latest statement (http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/03/07/europe/EU-GEN-Kosovo-Independence-US.php) by the US State Department's Daniel Fried, barked from the KLA-cutthroats' stronghold—Pristina—that "Serbia's path to closer ties with the rest of Europe remains open", and apparently, solely dependent on Serbia's willingness to give up 15 percent of its territory, is nothing less than sadistic.
"The only barriers between Serbia and its European future are those it places for itself. They can block their own road, no one will block the road for them," Fried mocked his victim.
Recommended: It Began With a Lie (http://www.wsws.org/articles/2001/mar2001/koso-m01.shtml), by Dietmar Henning (WSWS.org); Conservative German Politician Lauches Fierce Attack Against NATO War (http://www.antiwar.com/orig/rupp1.html), by Rainer Rupp (AntiWar.com); The Militarism of German Foreign Policy and the Dismantling of a State (http://www.counterpunch.org/schutz06052004.html), by Cathrin Schütz (Neues Deutschland and CounterPunch.org); General Leonid Gregory Ivashov Testimony (http://lassejohansson.wordpress.com/2008/03/08/the-general/), from ICTY transcripts (Lasses Weblog); The Blair Years (http://extras.timesonline.co.uk/flash/blair/index.html), slide show by Peter Brookes (UK Times-Online); Condi Rice Freaks Out (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIqeeK6sntk) (YouTube)


http://www.thetrumpet.com/index.php?page=book&id=1253 read this.Do you know German history towards Srbija.Sorry to say but they are our enemies and have been.

[INAT]

Misreporting Kosovo, The Trumpet/Brad Macdonald




Icebear do you deny this?


How the mainstream press has missed the single most important angle to what’s happening in Kosovo.





http://www.thetrumpet.com/cache/002264_id2264w96h96q95.jpg

Brad Macdonald

On back-to-back days in December 1991, the New York Times published two separate articles highlighting Germany’s alarming and audacious decision to recognize and legitimize the efforts of Slovenia and Croatia to break away from Yugoslavia. Both articles (you can read them here (http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D0CE7DA113AF936A25751C1A967958260&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=2) and here (http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D0CE3DF173BF935A25751C1A967958260&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=print)) are refreshingly honest and hold little back in their analysis of Germany’s seminal role in the violent fragmentation of Yugoslavia.
In this (http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D0CE3DF173BF935A25751C1A967958260&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=print) article, Paul Lewis cites European diplomats who warned that Germany’s decision to support Croatia and Slovenia, despite opposition from virtually the rest of the world, “underscored Germany’s growing political power in the 12-nation European Community.” Germany’s incursion into the Balkans, wrote Lewis, “has worried many in Europe who see it as an attempt to re-exert traditional Germanic influences over this area of the Balkans” (emphasis mine throughout).
Lewis exhibited little reticence in exposing the German undercurrent gushing beneath what was unfolding in Yugoslavia, even when it meant connecting Germany’s decision to recognize Croatia and Slovenia in 1991, to its sordid history with these entities during World War ii.
Moreover, in its unusual assertiveness in moving ahead with a plan to extend diplomatic recognition to the breakaway Yugoslav republics of Croatia and Slovenia, Germany has stirred troubling historical associations …. Nazi Germany dominated the two Yugoslav regions during World War ii, absorbing Slovenia into the Third Reich and creating a puppet regime in Croatia.
Then there’s this piece (http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E0CE3D6123CF935A25752C0A964958260&n=Top/News/World/Countries%20and%20Territories/Slovenia) from the Times a month later: “Germany’s decision to press for quick recognition of the two republics, disregarding appeals from the United States and the United Nations, marked a new assertiveness that some Europeans find disconcerting” (Jan. 16, 1992).
The point?
In 1991-92, a mainstream news organ like the New York Times was not afraid to confront the reality that Germany was manipulating the Balkans in an effort to “re-exert traditional Germanic influences” over the region. A willingness to analyze the Balkans through the German prism was plainly evident.
How times have changed.
On Monday, the deadline for a mutual solution to the Kosovo dilemma expired, and Kosovar Albanians, led by former terrorist leader Hashim Thaci, said they would immediately start finalizing their declaration of independence from Serbia, which they will likely announce within the first two months of 2008.
The subject of Kosovo’s independence does not lack coverage. What it lacks is the kind of fresh, up-front, in-depth reporting practiced by the likes of the New York Times when it covered Yugoslavia’s dissolution in 1991-92. When Croatia, Slovenia and Bosnia broke away from Yugoslavia in the early 1990s, the Times didn’t hesitate to declare Germany’s pivotal and alarming role in the crises (though later, when the U.S. and British governments switched sides, so too did the Times).
Now Kosovo is about to erupt, and few people, certainly not the mainstream press, are talking about Germany’s fundamental role in this crisis!
Why not? It’s a blockbuster angle!
What’s happening in Kosovo is covered with German fingerprints. It was Germany (and the Vatican) that first legitimized the dissolution of the state formerly called Yugoslavia. The day Bonn threw its weight behind Croatia’s and Slovenia’s decision to break away in 1991, every republic in Yugoslavia that was thinking about breaking away, including Kosovo, learned that it could do so and have the support of Germany and the Vatican.
But Germany’s intimate relationship with Kosovo runs deeper than mere ideological support. The involvement in the province by Germany, one of Kosovo’s most important and long-standing supporters, has manifested itself in very practical-and dangerous-ways. The German government has been closely linked to the Kosovo Liberation Army (kla), a terrorist organization that during the early to mid-1990s was linked to the mafia in Kosovo and other Islamic terrorists in the region.
In 1996, the German foreign intelligence service (bnd), established a major outpost in the Albanian city of Tirana, where kla terrorists were trained to fight against Serbian authorities. According to Le Monde Diplomatique (http://mondediplo.com/1999/05/07chiclet), “special forces in Berlin provided the operational training and supplied arms and transmission equipment from ex-East German Stasi stocks as well as black uniforms” (May 1999).
Here’s what Trumpet editor in chief Gerald Flurry wrote in July 2002 (http://www.thetrumpet.com/index.php?q=639.0.44.0):
Kosovo’s “internationally unrecognized government-in-exile” had a prime minister who was based in Germany and operated freely with the blessing (perhaps even the direction) of the German government! So Germany recognized Kosovo’s government-in-exile when nobody else did. But the international community submissively followed Germany’s lead. The kla guerrillas didn’t just happen. They were essentially raised up and directly supported by Germany-the powerhouse of Europe.
How many analysts, when they consider Kosovo’s independence today, are factoring in Germany’s central role in the growth and expansion of the kla? How many wonder why Germany would be so interested in, and go to such great lengths to secure, Kosovo’s independence from Serbia? What’s in it for Germany?
These questions lie at the heart of analysis on Kosovo-but few are asking them!
The Trumpet has explained how, under the umbrella of the United States and nato, Germany and Europe have, since 1991, dramatically increased their influence in the Balkans. By employing a subtle diplomatic divide-and-conquer policy, Germany has precipitated the systematic and violent fracturing of Yugoslavia. It was Germany, through cunning use of exaggerated and inaccurate claims and emotive language, that in 1999 stirred nato, predominantly comprised of U.S. troops, to bomb Serbia.
In March 1999, German Defense Minister Rudolf Scharping said in a television interview on zdf that “genocide is starting” in Serbia. His alarmist vocabulary turned the collective Western mindset against Serbia. The Australian reported on April 1, 1999, “With thousands of refugees continuing to stream out of the war-torn province, German Defense Minister Rudolf Scharping claimed in Bonn last night that evidence had emerged of concentration camps being set up by Serb forces.”
“People watched television and saw the streams of Albanian refugees,” wrote Gerald Flurry at the time. “Then they totally blamed the Serbs. Most knew very little about Kosovo, yet spoke of ‘genocide’-the deliberate and systematic destruction of a race. Then came talk about ‘concentration camps.’ Genocide and concentration camps-words introduced by the German defense minister” (The Rising Beast).
Are Serbian leader Slobodan Milosevic’s supposed atrocities against Albanians the real reason America and nato bombed Belgrade into submission? During the 1990s, actual genocides were occurring in Rwanda and Sierra Leone-not to mention the slaughter of Serbs (http://www.thetrumpet.com/index.php?q=2205.993.0.0) by Croatians and the Kosovo Albanians themselves-and the Clinton government did little to intervene. Why was America prepared to bomb Serbia into submission, but not the evil forces killing hundreds of thousands of innocent victims in Rwanda or Sierra Leone? Because America was pressured into bombing Serbia! Germany and Europe convinced all of nato to fight for their Balkan cause!
From the very beginning, Germany and Europe have been determined to conquer the Balkans, be it by force or in a web of diplomatic maneuvers.
In 2003, EU Commission President Romano Prodi promised that all Balkan countries-if they danced to the EU’s tune of course-could “become members of the EU one day.” While they might not necessarily become members on the same day, and each would have to follow its own course, he said, nonetheless, “in the long run, [the] Balkans belong strictly to the EU” (EUobserver, Jan. 10, 2003).
Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks!
This is why Germany wanted Serbia, its historical enemy and counterweight in the region, destroyed by nato. Germany and Europe believe the Balkans belong “strictly to the EU.” Without the pesky Slobodan Milosevic around to interrupt their plans, Germany and Europe could more easily conquer the Balkans!
Any in-depth analysis of the events unfolding in Kosovo must account for this history.
The International Herald Tribune (http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/12/12/news/kosovo.php) reported yesterday on a plan concocted by Slovenia (which will likely be holding the EU presidency when Kosovo declares its independence) by which the European Union will embrace Kosovo when it declares statehood. Europe is prepping itself for action in Kosovo.
The Tribune quoted one diplomat who said that if violence breaks out in Kosovo, Europe’s response must be “fast and decisive because the EU is showing it’s boss in its own courtyard. We want to show we don’t need Washington or Moscow to tell us what to do.”
Considering the history we just covered, against whom do you think Germany and Europe will take action?
On Monday, the Itar-Tass news agency reported (http://www.itar-tass.com/eng/level2.html?NewsID=12164650&PageNum=0) that Wolfgang Ischinger, the German diplomat representing the EU in the group of three international mediators (Russia, the United States and the EU) at the talks that were held between Serbia and Kosovar Albanians, told Radio Berlin Brandenburg that the EU would soon be in agreement on the Kosovo issue.
Ischinger’s interpretation of what Kosovo’s independence will look like was intriguing. “It will be a state entity,” he said, “which will continue to be under broad international observation. The nato troops will continue to be deployed there. A further international presence of the UN and, consequently, of EU, will be ensured.”
Germany and Europe are making plans to cement their control of Kosovo via the UN and nato!
In 1991, both Germany and Europe as a whole were significantly weaker, less unified and less defined than they are today. Germany was a newly united, largely inward-focused state in the early stages of resurrecting itself as the leader of Europe and on the global scene. Europe was even more amorphous than it appears today.
But this seemingly innocuous appearance didn’t stop a major newspaper from ringing alarm bells when Germany boldly announced it would support Croatia and Slovenia in their quest for independence, a decision that many knew would set a dangerous precedent and likely cause Yugoslavia’s dissolution. At that time, even a mainstream news source analyzed the breakdown of Yugoslavia in the context of German ambition in the Balkans!
Today, we don’t see any such analysis in the news media. Germany and the EU are widely embraced as legitimate and influential global powers with a formidable economic, military and geopolitical imprint. Europe, with Germany at its vanguard, has become a respected and increasingly powerful geopolitical force motivated by lofty ambitions of becoming a united superpower.
Still, the mainstream media today refuse to analyze the Balkans in the context of what’s happening in Germany and Europe, and of Germany’s history with the region. This is the most dangerous and ominous angle of the story, and the most underreported one!
In time, this shameful ignorance will prove to be an expensive mistake.

[domokun]

Thx for video.

About following argument, remember truth is usually first casualty in war, especialy in civil wars. Sadly it is usually impossible to say who threw the first stone after revenge for revenge has been going while.

[little icebear]

This is not about Kosovo and the many failures that were made and are still made about European and US American politics concerning the Balkans.

But only so much.



They are in the Balkans now and the German airforce bombed Beograd in 99 just like in 41 finishing the work they left in WW2.


If NATO had the same attidude torwards Serbia as the NAZIS had, Beograd would look like Warsaw did in 1941 right now.

And s most Germans are, I´m not very happy with my peoples history concerning our Role in the Balkans.



Do you know German history towards Srbija.Sorry to say but they are our enemies and have been.

Sometimes I believe my dentist shares your opinion. He inflicted quite some pain... maybe that was his revenge. He is a Serb.
But on the other hand - maybe not everyone shares your view of the world.

Whatever, I´m not prepared to discuss the whole balkans story. Sorry.

If you like to, just believe that Srebrenica was a hoax. Makes no sense to discuss this with people like you.
You´re en par with other loons who believe Mossad was behind 9/11 and that there was no holocaust in Nazi-Germany.

[Lt. James Anderson]

250 000 in Bosnia?
No mention of Serbs killed around Srebrenica by UN protected mujahadeen?

This video lost every credibility in the first ten minutes ...

[little icebear]

@ INAT

I missed that you quoted from "The Trumpet"! :D Brilliant! The official "German-Watch"-Source!
Damn, those guys are smart... they knew all along about our secret plan to conquer the world once again!
I´m glad nobody (except for some enlightened folks we´ll have do deal with in a latter stage of our evil plan) reads that crap. If they would, we were screwed once again. :D LMAO!

[little icebear]

250 000 in Bosnia?
No mention of Serbs killed around Srebrenica by UN protected mujahadeen?


The number includes ALL victims of ethnic cleansing during this war.

[Lt. James Anderson]

The number includes ALL victims of ethnic cleansing during this war.

Wrong.

Do your research (hint - start with the official figures ;)).

[little icebear]

Wrong.

Do your research (hint - start with the official figures ;)).

What are your "official" figures? UNHCR? OSZE? There are many sources and many differ a lot.
If those 250.000 are not supposed to cover all victims, regardless of their ethnic background, than they are way to high.

[Lt. James Anderson]

What are your "official" figures? UNHCR? OSZE? There are many sources and many differ a lot.
If those 250.000 are not supposed to cover all victims, regardless of their ethnic background, than they are way to high.

I think it was 80 000 or 90 000 for all sides ... not just Muslims ... soldiers included ..

[INAT]

This is not about Kosovo and the many failures that were made and are still made about European and US American politics concerning the Balkans.

But only so much.




If NATO had the same attidude torwards Serbia as the NAZIS had, Beograd would look like Warsaw did in 1941 right now.

And s most Germans are, I´m not very happy with my peoples history concerning our Role in the Balkans.



Sometimes I believe my dentist shares your opinion. He inflicted quite some pain... maybe that was his revenge. He is a Serb.
But on the other hand - maybe not everyone shares your view of the world.

Whatever, I´m not prepared to discuss the whole balkans story. Sorry.

If you like to, just believe that Srebrenica was a hoax. Makes no sense to discuss this with people like you.
You´re en par with other loons who believe Mossad was behind 9/11 and that there was no holocaust in Nazi-Germany.
^^ Very ignorant to say since you know nothing about me besides what is written.At least we understand that it is a waste of time for us to communicate.I swear i will never comment on another Srebrenica thread again, christ! all it got me was an infraction.About Beograd being bombed.The point I guess i failed to make is that the Germans have bombed my country twice in less than 70 years setting a pattern is what I meant.You think what you will I will think what I will but it does not matter because one day we all DIE!!!!!!!p-) And we will make no difference

[Lokos]

What are your "official" figures? UNHCR? OSZE?

All modern statistical studies done put the total number of war-dead at ~100,000 on all sides, including military deaths.

Lokos

[little icebear]

I think it was 80 000 or 90 000 for all sides ... not just Muslims ... soldiers included ..

As I said... there are many estimations around. I´ve you make a movie in order to show what a bad place the world is, I guess it´d make sense to pick the highest one you can find.

But it is quite certain that the numbers are (far?) higher than 100.000. There is already clear evidence for almost 100.000 victims (97.207 says the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung) and that are only those victims that could be identified / individually traced. Even today there still undiscovered massgraves showing up and soldiers remains lying somewhere in the forrests, waiting for their remains to be found.
Yet, numbers over 200.000 seem to be far fetched. Most estimates are somewhere between 100.000 and 150.000, only few are approaching 200.000.

[INAT]

As I said... there are many estimations around. I´ve you make a movie in order to show what a bad place the world is, I guess it´d make sense to pick the highest one you can find.

But it is quite certain that the numbers are (far?) higher than 100.000. There is already clear evidence for almost 100.000 victims (97.207 says the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung) and that are only those victims that could be identified / individually traced. Even today there still undiscovered massgraves showing up and soldiers remains lying somewhere in the forrests, waiting for their remains to be found.
Yet, numbers over 200.000 seem to be far fetched. Most estimates are somewhere between 100.000 and 150.000, only few are approaching 200.000.

Please stop with this far higher that one hundred thousand stuff.

And even today there are undiscovered mass graves are you a forensic researcher on the ground doing work in Bosna? what no? ok then please stop this bs.

[Lt. James Anderson]

As I said... there are many estimations around. I´ve you make a movie in order to show what a bad place the world is, I guess it´d make sense to pick the highest one you can find.

But it is quite certain that the numbers are (far?) higher than 100.000. There is already clear evidence for almost 100.000 victims (97.207 says the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung) and that are only those victims that could be identified / individually traced. Even today there still undiscovered massgraves showing up and soldiers remains lying somewhere in the forrests, waiting for their remains to be found.
Yet, numbers over 200.000 seem to be far fetched. Most estimates are somewhere between 100.000 and 150.000, only few are approaching 200.000.

Bosnian is not exactly a huge place and it doesn't have a huge population ... I doubt you're gonna find another 100 000 lying somewhere in the forest ... If you ask me (based on my own research) most stories about "secret mass graves sites" are bullsh..

[sreto]

As I said... there are many estimations around. I´ve you make a movie in order to show what a bad place the world is, I guess it´d make sense to pick the highest one you can find.Now you are just trying to weasle out of it. Sure there are estimates, but a number of those government and international estimates, seem to put the number at 100 thousand casualties of war in Bosnia.


But it is quite certain that the numbers are (far?) higher than 100.000. There is already clear evidence for almost 100.000 victims (97.207 says the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung) and that are only those victims that could be identified / individually traced.

Individually traced in two different mass graves. Sorry but, mass executions weren't as common as media outlets make you think.