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Calanen
03-21-2008, 05:17 PM
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,23414469-2,00.html

[Note, 10 billion is enormous for a small military like Australia's. That is really going to make it very hard for the military to do its job properly. They need more funding, not less]


Defence told to shed $10bn

March 22, 2008 12:00am
Article from: http://www.news.com.au/images/sources/h14_theaustralian.gif (http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/)
Memo shows Defence told to find massive savings

Jobs could go as department tightens belt
Minister says Defence budget 'a mess'
THE Defence Department has been ordered to find $10 billion worth of savings over the next decade, including possible staff cutbacks, as the Rudd Government tries to exert greater financial discipline across big-spending departments.

The crackdown on spending could force a cut in the department's 20,000-strong civilian workforce, which has ballooned by almost 4000 personnel, or more than 20 per cent, since 2001.

The Government has guaranteed that the Defence budget will continue to grow by 3 per cent a year in real terms.

The department's non-civilian operations are also insulated from the budget cuts sought across the public service by Finance Minister Lindsay Tanner, including the 3.25 per cent "efficiency dividend" affecting every other department.

But Defence Minister Joel Fitzgibbon ordered the crackdown on costs within Defence after being advised of massive blowouts in projected spending, including equipment, personnel and operating costs.

Mr Fitzgibbon admitted this week that the $22 billion Defence budget was "a mess", with the cost of operating and sustaining the defence force "alarmingly underestimated and underfunded".

He said the shortfall in operating and personnel costs over the next decade could be up to $6 billion, and acknowledged that some major equipment projects were proving "more than problematic".

An internal Defence Department memorandum obtained by The Weekend Australian - dated March 20 and signed by departmental head Nick Warner and defence chief Air Chief Marshal Angus Houston - says Defence must identify savings of $1 billion a year, or up to 5 per cent of its annual budget.

The memorandum was sent one day after Kevin Rudd this week announced the appointment of new heads to the army, airforce and navy, and extended Air Chief Marshal Houston's tenure by three years.

The pair identify significant financial challenges, including: expected new cost pressures flowing from the imminent 2008 defence white paper; the already-identified shortfall in personnel and operating costs; and the management of new capital equipment projects, as well as weapons, munitions and explosives.

"Following extensive discussions with the minister, we have decided that to meet these challenges we must find efficiency and economy opportunities in the order of $10 billion over the 2008-18 Defence Management and Finance Plan," they said.

"Given the size of our funding base and its commitment to future growth, the Government expects us to identify significant savings to fund higher priority capabilities. Our aim is to instil an enhanced culture of efficiency and economy in Defence. As we become more efficient there may be a need for less Australian Public Service staff."

But analysts said it would be impossible for Defence to realise the current 10-year, $50 billion capability plan, including the purchase of new warships and fighter planes, even if the 3 per cent pledge was honoured by the Government.

Defence will not be able to afford all its planned major new acquisitions over the next decade, led by the $16 billion joint strike fighter.

Defence costs across the board, including equipment, operating and personnel costs, have been increasing at well above the rate of inflation.

The Defence Department is already subject to the Government's 3.25 per cent "efficiency dividend" but this applies only to civilian administration and not to defence force operations, meaning only $2.4 billion of the $22 billion Defence budget is affected.

The Government has capped recruitment of civilians into the ADF as it seeks to cut expenses. Hiring of uniformed staff remains unaffected, but the ADF has been restricted to recruiting within the federal public service to fill its civilian vacancies.

In their memo to staff, the defence chiefs acknowledge that finding $10 billion worth of savings will be tough.

"To meet these challenges Defence must find efficiencies which free up resources. We need to identify lower priority activities and ask whether they are as important as new priorities. We must challenge the need, scope and cost of new priorities," Mr Warner and Air Chief Marshal Houston write.

They say that any civilian personnel cuts would be managed in line with Australian Public Service Commission guidelines.

bruiserau
03-22-2008, 06:43 AM
anyone know centrelinks number?

oldsoak
03-23-2008, 08:20 AM
Erm - something tells me some purchases in the pipeline are going to go straight down the gurgler....
did anyone in the ADF vote Labour , and do they regret it ? :-P

bruiserau
03-23-2008, 08:05 PM
I know voting for labor was a mortal sin when we all did our absentee votes, i'm fairly certain it's the same ADF wide..

ArmyJonHall
03-23-2008, 08:48 PM
Absolutely. Most of us remember what the ADF was like under Keating.

For those of you who don't- it was a shambles. Absolute shambles. We had a shocker of a time getting assets together for Somalia.

Dig would probably be able to provide some more specific examples.

jango
03-23-2008, 09:05 PM
A couple of years ago the goverment said that it would employ civilians to do a lot of the admid and office jobs that were taking combat troops out of the field so that our forces could have more boots on the ground.

Now the Rudd goverment is planning on saving some money by getting rid of a lot of these people. So this would mean that a lot of these jobs will have to be done by the guys in uniform again taking them away from field and weaking our uniformed forces right ?

Well done Rudd if australian gets attacked we can throw paper clips and ten billion dollars in hundred dollar notes at them. Becouse our soldier saliors and airmen will be riding desks instead of tanks ships and planes.

Alfacentori
03-23-2008, 09:13 PM
How did I just know that Labor would use defence to find the "savings" it needs to fund the rest of its agenda, pathetic

One area no Government should ever cut spending is defence, the first priority of any Governement is to ensure the defence of the state and its people and their way of life.

The reason we have so many civilians working for the military is so people in uniform can do their job and we can get more boots on the ground, in a small all volunteer service we can't afford to have uniformed men and women doing everything in logistics, coms etc I'm just disgusted

Alfa

Buckeye67
03-23-2008, 09:51 PM
Where's Mindi when you need him? I'm sure he'll be able to enlighten everyone about how this is the best thing that's ever happened to the ADF. p-)

BloodyTalon
03-23-2008, 10:00 PM
Isn't this the same Aussie government that to wants procure F-22s? Someone should tell them that we don't exactly give away our military equipment for free.

Calanen
03-23-2008, 10:10 PM
Where's Mindi when you need him? I'm sure he'll be able to enlighten everyone about how this is the best thing that's ever happened to the ADF. p-)

Best Min imitation in his absence:

Guys, it's about spending money efficiently! Yes there will be cuts - but that's because Howard and his cronies wasted money like it was water! It was only right that PM Rudd got the house in order! No operational activities will be affected! The Press Release said so - so it must be true! They wont even notice that $10 billion, most of that is what they spend on bottles of champagne for the officers at gala events anyway. You all have nothing to worry about...

Ballistic
03-23-2008, 10:14 PM
Come on, seriously guys, don't tell me you didn't see this coming ?

Interest rate rises, check.

Defence cuts, check.

This is Labor after all.

But to be fair, the $10 billion in SAVINGS will go straight back to Defence (or so says Fitzgibbon).

Cutting back the bureaucrats to a more manageable size could be a good thing. Hopefully the Govt will understand that a certain amount of public servants need to be retained so Defence can do their job without being tied down themselves. I am sure they realise this.

Being more fiscally responsible is something Defence has needed for a LONG time, and I agree with Labors position on trying to save money, and as they say, do it without cutting back capability.

Time will tell how this pans out.

Fitzgibbon is still a fvckwit though, you want to save $10 billion a year in Defence, yet you still want to get a hacked up under performing variant of the F-22......

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/2429/picardheadeskjo3.jpg

Picard says it all.

Buckeye67
03-23-2008, 10:36 PM
Best Min imitation in his absence:

Guys, it's about spending money efficiently! Yes there will be cuts - but that's because Howard and his cronies wasted money like it was water! It was only right that PM Rudd got the house in order! No operational activities will be affected! The Press Release said so - so it must be true! They wont even notice that $10 billion, most of that is what they spend on bottles of champagne for the officers at gala events anyway. You all have nothing to worry about...

Spot on rofl

Violet Fashion by Mindy
03-24-2008, 03:25 AM
Oi **** up all of you

oldsoak
03-24-2008, 09:17 AM
Hehe - go on Min, be a sport !

I thought Oz was heading for a big surplus in the balance of payments - have I got that wrong ?

Violet Fashion by Mindy
03-24-2008, 09:19 AM
Thats still there. The ALP is just uncovering the mess that was the Howard years. Inflated public service and so on.

Dr_ColoSSus
03-24-2008, 09:47 AM
Trimming the fat is not in iteslf a bad thing. Just stay away from the meat there commandant Rudd.