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Trenk
03-22-2008, 12:33 PM
Hi, I know that british and french military conduct their own jungle training, anybody else in europe?

Mordoror
03-23-2008, 07:32 PM
In Europe IMO nobody else do it as nobody else has expeditionnary ressources and history links to operate/intervene in jungle covered countries in Africa or South East Asia.
This however may occurs for some SF units on mere occasions (especially for Spain/Portugal and may be Italy) but anyway it is very unlikely

Trenk
03-24-2008, 05:38 AM
thatīs what I thought, Italy, maybe Spain, Portugal, Dutch, Germany... but probably French and GB is the only ones now

Mordoror
03-24-2008, 08:19 AM
Spain and Portugal have good deal with south american countries and surely enjoy facilities like Brazilian jungle School at Manaus for some of their SF . The Dutch KorpKommandoTroepen are not dedicated to jungle intervention but as they had an common history with Indonesia or Surinam so who knows. For Germany it is very very unlikely even for the KSK. They are mainly dedicated to european theatre. Even when it was planified some operation in desert area (German hostage rescue in North Africa or Astan deployement) the training was specific and occasional. The French have French Guyana as good jungle school (with a very harsh reputation) mainly for SF, Legion units and St Cyr cadets. Do not know where the Brits are conducing their own Jungle training. May be with the US central america school in Panama. If somebody can answer that question ?

Hertog jan
03-24-2008, 08:51 AM
The Dutch (Kct,Marines and Luchtmobiel(air assault etc) have a jungle course in Surinam and Belize.

Ichabod
03-24-2008, 08:52 AM
Don't the Brits have their jungle training in Borneo?

Mordoror
03-24-2008, 08:54 AM
Thought it was in Singapour and Malaysia but I m really not sure..... Somebody to confirm

Ichabod
03-24-2008, 09:13 AM
Thought it was in Singapour and Malaysia but I m really not sure..... Somebody to confirm

Yeah,im not sure either.

baboon6
03-24-2008, 12:39 PM
Thought it was in Singapour and Malaysia but I m really not sure..... Somebody to confirm

Belize and Brunei


http://www.army.mod.uk/aroundtheworld/bru/index.htm

http://www.army.mod.uk/batsub/index.html

Ichabod
03-24-2008, 12:50 PM
Belize and Brunei


http://www.army.mod.uk/aroundtheworld/bru/index.htm

http://www.army.mod.uk/batsub/index.html

Thats right Brunei not Borneo :)

Thx

SineJustitia
03-24-2008, 01:20 PM
The Dutch KorpKommandoTroepen are not dedicated to jungle intervention but as they had an common history with Indonesia or Surinam so who knows.

Hertog Jan (aka Kouwes p-)) is right: In The Netherlands, the Jungle Warfare Course (JWC) is operated by the Royal Netherlands Marine Corps. Some instructors follow the British instructor course on Brunei.

Twice a year, one Marine and one Air Mobile (army) platoon are trained in Suriname. In fact, they're now in the middle of the final exercise; the Course will be finished april first.

The JWC consists of light infantery tactics, riverine ops and jungle survival skills. Nothing covert, but then again: one section (a team of six operators) in the jungle is covert given the environment. But, in spite of many "specops" being classic light infantery nowadays, the JWC is not considered an S(O)F course.

Dutch commando's had some trainings in Belize some years ago, but currently they have no course on their own. They're interested in combining parts of the Marine's JWC course with more SF-style training, but that's now being looked into.

I was with the Dutch JWC two weeks ago for PR-purposes (I'm a PIO), and a report on the course will be posted on the New York Times website later this week. I'll post the link when it's on!

And, since this is militaryPHOTO's, some pics I took last week:

Suppressing fire:
http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/9145/jwcloarc6dotjpg (http://imageshack.us)

The holdline:
http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/3369/jwcfiregy3dotjpg (http://imageshack.us)

The instructor (no helmet) declaring a marine "KIA" (standing up)
http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/6520/p1010602qv5dotjpg (http://imageshack.us)

The NYT's photographer in action:
http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/3170/jwcfotograaf4uo5dotjpg (http://imageshack.us)

Trenk
03-24-2008, 03:08 PM
cool, I thought dutch guys just USED TO conduct training in Surinam... nice pics, thanks... btw, you said you took some of that photos, so you just arrived from Surinam??

SineJustitia
03-24-2008, 04:19 PM
cool, I thought dutch guys just USED TO conduct training in Surinam... nice pics, thanks... btw, you said you took some of that photos, so you just arrived from Surinam??

In fact, we've just set up a semi-permanent Jungle Warfare Centre; twice a year for four months we use it as a base from which to conduct trainings. JWC on a regular basis has been going now since 2002.

And yes, I just returned from Suriname. Howcome? It's not so big a deal; some 500 people do so daily :)

Trenk
03-24-2008, 04:34 PM
yep, cool... have to take antimalarics?? If you got some more pics to share, it would be awesome...

Mordoror
03-24-2008, 05:31 PM
no offense but the dutch are far more advanced in jungle training than I initially thought.
Is this a standart procedure for your light and rapid intervention troops (I mean an obligate "tour")
or is this very specific for specialized sub-units ??

Niels
03-24-2008, 05:51 PM
The instructor (no helmet) declaring a marine "KIA" (standing up)
http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/6520/p1010602qv5dotjpg (http://imageshack.us)

Cool stuff, Sine. Why is the instructor holding an SA80?

digrar
03-24-2008, 08:17 PM
Thats right Brunei not Borneo :)

Thx

Brunei is on the Island of Borneo, so you're half way on track.

taiaha
03-24-2008, 09:54 PM
Brunei is on the Island of Borneo, so you're half way on track.

Aussies,Brits,Kiwis and Americans regularly train with Malaysian forces in jungle warfare, correct me if am wrong digrar. Not too sure about other countries sending their troops over to train here (Malaysia) though.

digrar
03-24-2008, 10:03 PM
Australia has a constant Rifle Company presence in Malaysia, those diggers do a course with the Malaysian Army every rotation.

Andreas
03-24-2008, 10:04 PM
I know several Norwegian units have done jungle warfare training with the Brits in Belize.
I seem to remember a solider got a settlement from the army because of a nasty jungle parasite who kind of ate his face..

Like Marcus once said: "The jungle is a bad place to be, everything around you cuts you up or tries to sting you"

I found that to be a pretty funny quote in regards to this topic.

Cheers
Andreas

goat89
03-24-2008, 10:07 PM
Australia has a constant Rifle Company presence in Malaysia, those diggers do a course with the Malaysian Army every rotation.
At Butterworth I believe.

digrar
03-24-2008, 10:13 PM
Yep, mostly reservists now, but once was a sought after trips for reg Infantry Companies.

ArmyJonHall
03-24-2008, 11:22 PM
Yep, mostly reservists now, but once was a sought after trips for reg Infantry Companies.
It still is a highly sought after trip. You can't go drinking and whoring for such bargain basement prices in the Sandbox :)

SineJustitia
03-25-2008, 06:24 AM
no offense but the dutch are far more advanced in jungle training than I initially thought.
Is this a standart procedure for your light and rapid intervention troops (I mean an obligate "tour")
or is this very specific for specialized sub-units ??

No offence taken; it's always good to have the element of surprise on your side :)

It's not a standard "tour" for all light infantery-units, but with four platoons trained each year we have a good "stock" of trained troops to send to minor support missions in jungle areas world wide on rapid expeditionary basis (Marines to Haiti or Airmobile to EUFOR in Congo, for example).

To Niels: well spotted! The instructor will be following some British (non-jungle) courses after the JWC. RNLMC are part of UK/NL AMPHIB and a lot of courses are with the Brits, so we follow their doctrine. One of the results is using the SA80, so the instructor used the JWC to get accustomed to it. Mind you: if you look even closer, you see he has live ammo (red tape), in case the troops run into a berserk warthog... p-)

To Trenk: antimalariacs were no problem for me; I used Malarone (Lariam allegedly has nasty side-effects). And yes, I've got more pics, but I'm saving those for the thread on the NYT's JWC article.

Ichabod
03-25-2008, 08:47 AM
Brunei is on the Island of Borneo, so you're half way on track.

:) Knew it was something around there,just couldn't remember what exactly.

Trenk
03-25-2008, 12:44 PM
No offence taken; it's always good to have the element of surprise on your side :)

To Trenk: antimalariacs were no problem for me; I used Malarone (Lariam allegedly has nasty side-effects). And yes, I've got more pics, but I'm saving those for the thread on the NYT's JWC article.

Thanks, looking forward to your new JWC thread...

Yosy
03-26-2008, 07:18 PM
Portugal does have jungle training now and again, but it's always on a ad-hoc basis. We send people to the ex-colonies of Angola and Mozambique, mostly, in exchange programs with those countries (their personnel also come here).

Btw, the Brazillian Jungle Warfare School, has a GREAT reputation around the world - some consider it the best of its kind.

Boina verde
03-27-2008, 12:51 PM
Brazilian CIGS:

http://br.youtube.com/v/ON0PF_QxPgY

link:

http://br.youtube.com/watch?v=ON0PF_QxPgY

Notice the Portuguese SF Officer, which was there.

flanker7
03-27-2008, 12:55 PM
http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/9145/jwcloarc6dotjpg (http://imageshack.us/)

Give this guy a dumb-bag. He's going to loose his magazines :-)

Toddy1
03-27-2008, 06:50 PM
Do our Aussie boys still do training in Far North Queensland, for jungle...and do you know if other countries units come here as well Digrar??

digrar
03-28-2008, 06:29 AM
Tully is still happening, I don't know who else attends courses there though.

Trenk
03-30-2008, 06:20 AM
New Zealand has also some kind of jungle training, and cooperate with british guys, but I have no idea where is their own training conducted and who attends

RSone
03-30-2008, 08:11 AM
Give this guy a dumb-bag. He's going to loose his magazines :-)

Notice the LOAW/LSW. You could say he is in a kind of semi-fixed firing position, therefore he wouldn't really need to have all his mags secured in his vest. But I agree it is a bit sloppy, you could (as pointed out) easily forget some mags when you are in a hurry to relocate.

Trenk
03-30-2008, 08:53 AM
you can stuck your mags behind your shirt if they did not issue you a dump bag... anyway, it sucks when you are in ****e position. But letīs post something more to the topic of the thread

gafkiwi
03-30-2008, 04:07 PM
Notice the LOAW/LSW. You could say he is in a kind of semi-fixed firing position, therefore he wouldn't really need to have all his mags secured in his vest. But I agree it is a bit sloppy, you could (as pointed out) easily forget some mags when you are in a hurry to relocate.

Thats the problem with mag fed LSWs, If hes in a DFSB/ Fire Spt he won't have F all of a chance to worry about mags, his main task would be to provide fire support the attack. Maybe alot of those mags were ones dumped with him by the rest of the section prior to the attack.

In the NZDF the infantry still does alot of close country work Be it native or forestry in NZ or Tropical stuff in some jungle. Every year we would normally have Coy +/- groups training in Fiji (not at moment due to political issues), Malaysia and smaller groups in other places like Brunei attending spec courses. We still occaisonally get over to Aussy and do a bit of work up in Tully.

Besides that NZDF has had troops in the Solomons and East Timor working with our Neighbours from across the ditch for sometime now.

Toddy1
03-30-2008, 06:17 PM
Tully is still happening, I don't know who else attends courses there though.

Thanks mate

waterbourne
04-02-2008, 03:11 AM
bring back the jungle tab

Charpoy Major
04-07-2008, 04:02 PM
Thought it was in Singapour and Malaysia but I m really not sure..... Somebody to confirm


Brits used to train at School of Jungle warfare in Johore Bharu, Malaysia, but after withdrawl I think it was carried out in Brunei, where we keep a Battalion of Gurkhas which H.R.H Sultan Bolkhia pays or.

Ghorkhali
04-09-2008, 01:40 AM
Indian Army's unique Counter-Insurgency and Jungle Warfare School here is fast becoming a "hot" destination for foreign armies keen to sharpen their skills in terrorist combat.

Over 20 nations like France, Russia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Uganda and Vietnam are now sending their soldiers to CIJWS to learn and imbibe its motto "Fight the guerrilla like a guerrilla."

Soldiers from neighbouring countries like Bhutan, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh and Nepal have, of course, already passed through the CIJWS portals for realistic on-the-ground training in tactical counter-terrorism operations in jungle, rural, semi-urban and urban terrains.

Established in 1970, CIJWS has trained over 2.4 lakh Indian soldiers in spot interrogation, counter-ambush drills, cordon-and-search operations, etc.

Here are some pics srry for low resolution
http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/1899/photoni4dotjpg
Nearly 100 soldiers and officers from the US Army began training with Indian infantry in a school in Vairengte, Mizoram (India).

http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/3838/photojz7dotjpg
A US and an Indian soldier stands guard in a jungle outpost during the indo-US jungle warfare training in Vairengte in Mizoram.

http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/3750/centerxf3dotgif
Indo-US jungle warfare training in Vairengte in Mizoram.

rajkhalsa
04-09-2008, 11:46 PM
Some more pics of CIJWS

http://img78.exs.cx/img78/6816/3236442dotjpg

http://img78.exs.cx/img78/8471/3236446dotjpg

http://img78.exs.cx/img78/7583/Tastingmokeymeatdotjpg
tasting mokey meat

http://img78.exs.cx/img78/4594/3284183dotjpg

http://img153.exs.cx/img153/9577/dwf156680729budotjpg

http://img78.exs.cx/img78/1980/3236447dotjpg

http://img78.exs.cx/img78/861/3236649dotjpg

http://img78.exs.cx/img78/1827/3236536dotjpg

http://img153.exs.cx/img153/7482/dwf156680799qtdotjpg

http://img78.exs.cx/img78/4750/3236507dotjpg

http://img78.exs.cx/img78/6726/3236470dotjpg
lets go get'em buddy U me and Uncle Sam

http://img78.exs.cx/img78/2707/3236459dotjpg

http://img78.exs.cx/img78/685/3236455dotjpg

http://img78.exs.cx/img78/9599/3236448dotjpg

http://forum.apan-info.net/fall04/jpg_lg/abays2dotjpg
Indian and U.S. soldiers aim their weapons at a mock target during jungle warfare training.

http://forum.apan-info.net/fall04/jpg_lg/abays4dotjpg
Indian Army Brig. B.K. Ponwar, CIJWS Commandant, fires the M240B machine gun assisted by U.S Army 1st Sgt. Samuel Murphy.

http://forum.apan-info.net/fall04/jpg_lg/abays3dotjpg
Indian Army Lt. Gen. Madan Gopal inspects a U.S. Army squad leader's weapon.

http://forum.apan-info.net/fall04/jpg_lg/abays5dotjpg
Patrol


http://forum.apan-info.net/fall04/jpg_lg/abays7dotjpg
Securing an area

http://forum.apan-info.net/fall04/jpg_lg/abays10dotjpg
Indian Army instructors observe American soldiers marksmanship training.

http://img14.exs.cx/img14/6845/3090clippeddotjpg
Members of a combined Indian-U.S. Special Forces team wait to board an Mi-17 helicopter on Silchar Airfield, India, to conduct heliborne operations.

http://img14.exs.cx/img14/1880/Balance3dotjpg
An Indian Army colonel directs a road widening project in the Mizoram State village of Phainum, while a U.S. Army sergeant heads the U.S. Civil Affairs personnel working on the project.

http://img14.exs.cx/img14/1801/IMG_3111dotjpg
Indian and U.S. Army Special Forces members "slither" – an Indian fast roping technique from an Indian Air Force Mi-17 helicopter on Silchar Airfield, India. This technique was developed during the Liberation of Bangladesh from pakistan in 1971 due to a neccisity for fast deployment during extreme rain and wind conditions. Due to the hilly terrain the wind directions would change fast which was the reason why this technique became necessary

http://img14.exs.cx/img14/7916/IMG_3103JPG-1dotjpg
Slithering

http://img82.exs.cx/img82/2127/2423dotjpg

http://img82.exs.cx/img82/2753/2422dotjpg
Indian army personnel wait to be deployed during a training session at the Counter Insurgency and Jungle Warfare School (CIJWS)

http://img82.exs.cx/img82/3894/high1003225dotjpg
Fire training session

Cheers,
Raj

digrar
04-10-2008, 12:02 AM
Some more pics of CIJWS







http://img14.exs.cx/img14/1801/IMG_3111dotjpg
Indian and U.S. Army Special Forces members "slither" – an Indian fast roping technique from an Indian Air Force Mi-17 helicopter on Silchar Airfield, India. This technique was developed during the Liberation of Bangladesh from pakistan in 1971 due to a neccisity for fast deployment during extreme rain and wind conditions. Due to the hilly terrain the wind directions would change fast which was the reason why this technique became necessary

http://img14.exs.cx/img14/7916/IMG_3103JPG-1dotjpg
Slithering


Maybe the images are not giving me the full picture, how is that different to the rappelling that Australians were doing in Viet Nam in the mid to late 60's?

rajkhalsa
04-10-2008, 03:10 AM
Having no idea how the Aussies fast roped in the 60s (and c'mon, really, how the heck am I supposed to be able to reference something as random as that... its like attempting to take for granted that Im somehow familiar with the op tempo of late 1940s Moroccan camel corps flanking maneuvers), I am not sure.

I do know that according to reports this fast rope technique was taught to US army soldiers at CIJWS in Mizoram, and to both US special forces troops (dunno what unit) and Royal Marines in Ladakh, who encountered it for the first time. Would our soldiers be familiar with Australian techniques? Probably not at the soldier level, but seeing as that the unnamed special forces troops deployed to Ladakh were reportedly experienced mountaineers, I'm sure some NCO among them would have run across Aussie style fast roping before somewhere.

Regardless, even if they were similar, the 'slithering' technique was independently developed by the Indian army during the 1971 war, when special forces operations during monsoon storms and hurricane force winds had to be undertaken.

Ghorkhali
04-10-2008, 08:35 AM
nice pics rajkhalsa

http://img78.exs.cx/img78/2707/3236459dotjpg
don't u think if this guy would have opened door this way in real operation his leg would have gone !

Chulo
04-11-2008, 12:32 AM
nice pics rajkhalsa

http://img78.exs.cx/img78/2707/3236459dotjpg
don't u think if this guy would have opened door this way in real operation his leg would have gone !
Gone where? how is an entry made then?

Ghorkhali
04-11-2008, 12:44 AM
snipped ................

Trenk
04-11-2008, 10:06 AM
guys, if you want to solve the technik of entering the room, please move to another thread, thanks

Trenk
05-23-2008, 12:36 PM
anybody tried to use NVG/NOD in this type of terrain??

Trenk
07-02-2009, 11:00 AM
I heard about training in Okinawa, what does it consist of?

entheogen
07-05-2009, 10:40 PM
I've red somewhere a few years back that some russian sf do jungle training in south america. really small numbers thu. would be nice to get more info on that.

hope this is not off topic.

Trenk
07-06-2009, 02:28 AM
I just found this pic in portugese thread, but I have no clue if they conduct some kind of regular jungle training
77772

Trenk
12-04-2009, 01:49 PM
swedish SSG, I guess UK International Jungle Patrol Course in Belize
85380

Trenk
12-04-2009, 02:07 PM
USAF, Okinawa
85387

Trenk
12-05-2009, 05:36 AM
NZ officer cadets, Samoan jungle...
85528

Irish
12-05-2009, 06:26 AM
Irish in Belize.


http://i50.*******.com/142ht9zdotjpg

Trenk
12-05-2009, 05:25 PM
cool, what year is it?

Irish
12-05-2009, 08:28 PM
cool, what year is it?

Its 2009 Dude.p-)




Oh the photo?? 3-4 years ago.

Trenk
12-06-2009, 05:11 AM
Colombian Lanceros school, with US MARSOC guy attending.
85576

tercio67
12-09-2009, 09:30 AM
Dutch army troops in Gabon, from 24 november untill 15 december.

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/7138/20091201gabonzs2001tcm4.thdotjpg (http://img231.imageshack.us/i/20091201gabonzs2001tcm4dotjpg/)

http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/1792/20091201gabonzs2002tcm4.thdotjpg (http://img257.imageshack.us/i/20091201gabonzs2002tcm4dotjpg/)

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/8162/20091201gabonzs2004tcm4.thdotjpg (http://img231.imageshack.us/i/20091201gabonzs2004tcm4dotjpg/)

Story (in Dutch);
http://www.defensie.nl/actueel/nieuws/2009/12/07/46142014/Luchtmobiele_Brigade_traint_internationaal_optreden_in_Afrika

Trenk
12-09-2009, 11:58 AM
nice pics... I see french instructor, Dutch train in Gabon on regular basis? I thought their jungle training goes on in Surinam.

tercio67
12-09-2009, 12:30 PM
The Dutch struck a deal with Belgium and France.
The Belgians and the French attend courses given by the Netherlands, and in exchange the Dutch get to train in Africa.

It is generaly assumed that the next mission area will be in Africa once we leave Afghanistan.

Ghelp
12-09-2009, 12:39 PM
French Military at the Colombian Lanceros School

http://www.youtube.com/v/EoREdlkbavk

fantassin
12-09-2009, 01:16 PM
Both the SSG and the DAE pictures were most probably taken at the French-run "CEC Foga" in Gabon during the EUFOR 2006 mission in the DRC.