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LaoSexMachine
03-22-2008, 01:15 PM
Sweden feels strain of refugees
By Rob Cameron
BBC News, Soedertaelje
No European country has welcomed as many Iraqi refugees as Sweden. In 2007 alone, 18,599 Iraqis applied for asylum - far more than anywhere else in the EU.
But the influx is placing Sweden's towns and cities under severe strain, and has prompted a national debate on immigration.
Matthew (not his real name) clasps his hands neatly in front of him and explains why he left Iraq to start a new life.
"If you stay, you die," he says. "If you leave, you live."
The 26-year-old doctor pauses for a moment, looking down at his hands.
You feel you can live in safety, you feel more human
Matthew, Iraqi refugee
He contemplates his former life in Baghdad and the stark choices it left him. "They ask you - 'why are you a Christian? Why do you live here? It's not a Christian country'.
"A couple of guys with guns came and tried to kill us. After that moment I can't live there any longer. It's a matter of life or death."
In September 2007 Matthew chose life, and left Iraq for good.
Safe haven
He is now studying to practice medicine in Sweden.
He lives in Soedertaelje, a small industrial town some 35km (22 miles) south-west of Stockholm.
Matthew came to Soedertaelje because so many like him have come before him.
An estimated 40% of Soedertaelje's 80,000 inhabitants are first or second-generation immigrants.
Most are Assyrians - a Christian minority fleeing persecution in the Middle East.
"I can now live without fear," he says.
"When you hear that Sweden has fought its last war 400 years ago, there's no expecting any war.
"So you feel you can live in safety. You feel more human."
Workers welcomed
Soedertaelje is the birthplace of tennis legend Bjorn Borg.
It is also the headquarters of both the Scania truck manufacturer and the AstraZeneca pharmaceutical company.
Those companies were hungry for workers, and over the decades Soedertaelje welcomed waves of immigrants. First came Finns. Then Assyrian immigrants, from Turkey, Syria, Lebanon and Iraq.
Today, Soedertaelje is home to one of Europe's largest Assyrian exile communities. There are two Assyrian football teams and even an Assyrian satellite TV station - Suroyo TV. Since the 2003 war, however, the trickle of Assyrian refugees from Iraq has become a flood. An estimated 5,000 have settled here since the war began.
Soedertaelje's mayor, Anders Lago, estimates that about 30 asylum seekers arrive from Iraq each week.
Many of their children end up in special preparatory classes at the Ronna School, a mixed primary and secondary school in a heavily Assyrian area of Soedertaelje.
Former pupil
The classes are run by Gabriella Barsoum, a 27-year-old Assyrian Christian whose parents were from Syria and Turkey.
Gabriella, who was born in Soedertaelje, attended the Ronna School as a girl.
"What is important here is some students don't want to think back about hard times and I must respect that," she says.
"Not all students want to tell us what they have been through."
For those who do, Gabriella is ready to listen.
Witnessing how immigrants are welcomed to a small town like Soedertaelje, it is not hard to see why so many Iraqi asylum seekers have chosen Sweden.
It is also important to understand the strain it puts on the society if you take in a large number of people in a very short time
Tobias Billstroem
Migration Minister
But the liberal Swedish asylum system that allows immigrants to choose where to live has created a problem.
There are now so many immigrants in Soedertaelje that up to 15 are sharing one apartment.
With little Swedish, jobs are hard to come by, and the strain on Soedertaelje's educational and social services is evident.
Soedertaelje is not alone. Other towns and cities in Sweden are reporting similar problems of overcrowding.
That has prompted a national debate about immigration, one that has produced some surprising results in a country traditionally so immigrant-friendly.
A poll conducted last year by the Swedish Integration Board suggested one in four Swedes were prepared to vote for a party that would restrict the rights of immigrants.
Door closing
Sweden's Minister for Migration and Asylum, Tobias Billstroem, says his country remains open to immigrants, but he too sounds a note of alarm. "It is the firm belief of the Swedish government and the Swedish people that Sweden should stand up for those who are persecuted or pursued in their home countries," he says.
"However, it is also important to understand the strain it puts on the society if you take in a large number of people in a very short time."
To ease that strain, the centre-right government is to introduce a number of measures, including a proposal that would only allow immigrants to bring in their families once they have proved they can feed and house them.
Mr Billstroem says that does not mean Sweden is shutting the door to Iraqi asylum seekers.
The statistics, however, would seem to tell a different story.
In 2007, Sweden's Migration Board approved 72% of all Iraqi asylum requests.
The Migration Board, however, has since ruled there is no longer an armed conflict in Iraq.
In January and February of this year, the majority of Iraqi requests for asylum were turned down.
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/europe/7307192.stm
Warlord
03-22-2008, 02:03 PM
As opposed to taking in Muslim immigrants who would rather force you to change to conform to their ideals instead of them assimilating to yours?
As opposed to taking in Muslim immigrants who would rather force you to change to conform to their ideals instead of them assimilating to yours?
Well, we do take a lots of "habibs" to...
Glad to see this issue is coming up for debate since it's been really quiet about it the last decade. A lot of swedes are feeling enough is enough, at the same time the goverment is doing nothing to recognize the problems that emerged.
I wish other countries would take their share of this burden. Sweden has enough immigration related problems as it is.
And really, it shouldn't be Sweden's responsibility.
Warlord
03-23-2008, 06:13 AM
Ever wonder why the very wealthy Gulf states don't accept refugees in the spirit of Dawah/Ummah and brotherhood?
Take Saudi Arabia for example. It can afford to absorb refugees more than Syria can, yet it's Syria or Jordan that's taking the burden and the so called "pious Islamic sheiks" won't even lift a finger.
I mean why go all the way to Europe - a country that is "kafir" and not "halal"?
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However the case in the article above concerns mostly Assyrian or Christian denominations from Iraq, Syria, Jordan etc.....A group marginalized in their very own countries. An Egyptian Coptic cannot go to Saudi Arabia for assylum. A Nestorian Iraqi cannot go to Palestine/West Bank to seek safety. The cases of those Middle-Eastern Christians should be taken differently.
SweNationalGuard
03-23-2008, 02:13 PM
Sweden, a country of just 9 million, takes 10% of the worlds refugees. It's not good, and enough is indeed enough..
I'mOnlyHalfPolish
03-23-2008, 02:55 PM
Ever wonder why the very wealthy Gulf states don't accept refugees in the spirit of Dawah/Ummah and brotherhood?
Take Saudi Arabia for example. It can afford to absorb refugees more than Syria can, yet it's Syria or Jordan that's taking the burden and the so called "pious Islamic sheiks" won't even lift a finger.
I mean why go all the way to Europe - a country that is "kafir" and not "halal"?
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However the case in the article above concerns mostly Assyrian or Christian denominations from Iraq, Syria, Jordan etc.....A group marginalized in their very own countries. An Egyptian Coptic cannot go to Saudi Arabia for assylum. A Nestorian Iraqi cannot go to Palestine/West Bank to seek safety. The cases of those Middle-Eastern Christians should be taken differently.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_immigrant_population
The Saudi's are number 6, but I think many of their immigrants are Filipino and Indian.
LaoSexMachine
03-23-2008, 03:00 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_immigrant_population
The Saudi's are number 6, but I think many of their immigrants are Filipino and Indian.
Mostly workers.
I'mOnlyHalfPolish
03-23-2008, 03:07 PM
Mostly workers.
Yeah kind of deceiving b/c I highly doubt a significant number are refugees. But every time I drive to the fuel pump I remind myself of how the Saudi's like to f**k everyone in the ass and sit on the sidelines during important times...
Snooz
03-23-2008, 07:21 PM
There is a "national debate on immigration"?
Good one...
Divine
03-23-2008, 07:47 PM
There is a "national debate on immigration"?
Good one...
Biggest joke ever. Not funny at all
How many Iraqi refugees has the US accepted by the way?
koalorka
03-23-2008, 10:51 PM
Sweden's forced multi-racialism has got to be one of the biggest shams in recent history. Maybe it'll teach the Swedes to throw the worthless socialist parasites out from government once and for all.
Warlord
03-24-2008, 01:43 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_immigrant_population
The Saudi's are number 6, but I think many of their immigrants are Filipino and Indian.
Economic migrants - non permanent residents. The most of them are still of Arabic origin, then Indian, Pakistanis, Bangladesh and Filipinos. Rarely do any become citizens even if you're born here.
It is one of the most difficult if not the most difficult citizenship to gain.
Doublethinker
03-24-2008, 02:49 AM
Problems start when states instead of carrying out their direct duty. i.e. taking care of its citizens and their children, try to take care of all the people in the world.
Lt. James Anderson
03-24-2008, 04:08 AM
I think Swedes should be replaced with Africans and Arabs. It's going in that direction but it's just too slow in my opinion ... Maybe the Swedish govt or the EU should speed up the process. ;)
Snoshi
03-24-2008, 05:22 AM
"It feels like Iraq or some other Arab country. I enjoy living in Malmö. :)
http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/6900/malmzj6.jpg
"It feels like Iraq or some other Arab country. I enjoy living in Malmö. :)
http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/6900/malmzj6.jpg
I can't take this...
Trenk
03-24-2008, 05:43 AM
Sweden did a big mistake... but don´t worry, every mid/high living standart europian country is keeping doing the same... one thing is good, maybe later on we can keep more women than just onewoot)) It was poor try to make it funny, but it makes me sad:| I do not know about one country which could deal with this...
Nightsky
03-24-2008, 05:43 AM
Sweden, a country of just 9 million, takes 10% of the worlds refugees. It's not good, and enough is indeed enough..
Most European nations like Germany, France and Britain took this burden long ago already and I think they still have a far higher quota of 1st, 2nd or 3rd generation immigrants than Sweden has (many of them now being naturalised French, Germans or English).
You've just been lucky so far, but the economic trouble in other European countries made the influx readjust towards scandinavia. I'm not saying, that I condone it, I am merely stating, that you're just the next place for refugees to go...
kosse
03-24-2008, 05:55 AM
Too bad that a nation that has existed 1000 years meets it's end like this, destroyed in a few generations by it's own people.
signatory
03-24-2008, 06:14 AM
Too bad that a nation that has existed 1000 years meets it's end like this, destroyed in a few generations by it's own people.
Yeah it makes me sick to think of all the Finnish immigrants we've taken in over the years. Especially the 40,000 Finnish children they evacuated to Sweden during WWII. The Finnish TV-programs paid for by my money is quite annoying to witness.
18,000 Iraqis, HAHAHAHAHA!
We have been host to 4.3 million Afghan, 1.1 million Kashmiri and around 400,000 to 600,000 Iranian refugees.
kosse
03-24-2008, 06:36 AM
Yeah it makes me sick to think of all the Finnish immigrants we've taken in over the years. Especially the 40,000 Finnish children they evacuated to Sweden during WWII. The Finnish TV-programs paid for by my money is quite annoying to witness.
:roll: Go on and vent your anger at us evil Finns while the real problem (enemy?) is spreading in your suburbs like a plague. Anyway, we'll see who gets the last laugh and I'm not betting it on you.
ren0312
03-24-2008, 06:53 AM
Sweden did a big mistake... but don´t worry, every mid/high living standart europian country is keeping doing the same... one thing is good, maybe later on we can keep more women than just onewoot)) It was poor try to make it funny, but it makes me sad:| I do not know about one country which could deal with this...
You know that under Islam, you are only allowed to have more than one woman if you can support them right?
signatory
03-24-2008, 07:14 AM
:roll: Go on and vent your anger at us evil Finns while the real problem (enemy?) is spreading in your suburbs like a plague. Anyway, we'll see who gets the last laugh and I'm not betting it on you.
Yeah finns love the idea of other countries accepting their people as refugees when needed.
But persecuted christians of the world; dare not seek asylum to Finland.
Nokia can't support more people!
Most Iraqi refugees came to Sweden during the saddam years. If he hadn't been toppled they would still be coming at great numbers. Not just to Sweden but everywhere else.
After the invasion the migration dropped to a fraction only to again go up since 2006 with the sectarian violence.
Now with the better security situation, the numbers is dropping again. Last month 835 came from Iraq compared to 1559 a year ago.
Social democracy and other parts of leftism is the main problem not refugees per se. We'll see what will happen,I don't own a crystal ball. Except I know little finns will pollute Swedish threads as usual. That is a given fact.
18,000 Iraqis, HAHAHAHAHA!
We have been host to 4.3 million Afghan, 1.1 million Kashmiri and around 400,000 to 600,000 Iranian refugees.
That's news to me. Could you explain these numbers?
Regarding Sweden vs. Pakistan. You can't compare a small country of some 9 million to one in the size of Pakistan.
Also, those refugees you are referring to are all from neighbouring countries. The cultural differences aren't as large as those faced in Sweden.
Divine
03-24-2008, 08:18 AM
Too bad that a nation that has existed 1000 years meets it's end like this, destroyed in a few generations by it's own people.
Sweden is becoming a tragic mess. Fill a highly prominent civilized country with people from developing countrys is plain madness!
Wikis definition of a genocide:
"Genocide is the deliberate and systematic destruction of an ethnic, racial, religious or national group.
Article 2 of this defines genocide as "any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation), ethnical (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnicity), racial (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_%28classification_of_human_beings%29) or religious (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion) group, as such: killing members of the group; causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life, calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; [and] forcibly transferring children of the group to another group."
Exactly what the oikophobic politicians doing in Sweden!!
Snooz
03-24-2008, 08:27 AM
Well well, unlike others I have faith in the survivability of my nation.
Well well, unlike others I have faith in the survivability of my nation.
Ofcourse. But the situation is getting bad and i belive we need to rethink the current startegy, these people need to be integrated with society better. I dont have any problem with my country acting a safe heaven for people fleeing opression and violence, but our current political guideline is a bit to blue-eyed. Then ad the fact that our politicans refuse to adress the issue in fear of being portrayed as another far right nutter by our quite leftleaning media. I understand a lot of folks are growing a little weary.
kosse
03-24-2008, 09:53 AM
Yeah finns love the idea of other countries accepting their people as refugees when needed.
That was the least you could do. After all, without our determination in the turmoil of the early 20th century you'd propably be speaking Russian in your cozy little "folkhemmet". All in all, you decided to sit back and watch while other free nations of Europe fought for their existence so you have no moral high ground with anything regarding WW2.
But persecuted christians of the world; dare not seek asylum to Finland.
They do, I have no idea what you are babbling about. Granting asylum without good reasons, on the other hand, is totally different matter..
Social democracy and other parts of leftism is the main problem not refugees per se. We'll see what will happen,I don't own a crystal ball. Except I know little finns will pollute Swedish threads as usual. That is a given fact.I'd like to see you stop letting immigrants live off the Swedish taxpayers' money but I'm afraid that it would make your society a bit unstable so to speak rofl
As for me polluting this thread..I'm afraid that I'm just saying aloud what most people think. Luckily there are still some rational Swedes like Divine left who see where their country is going. Maybe it's not too late.
Snooz
03-24-2008, 10:30 AM
*bull****, bull**** and more bull*****
Since you have nothing of value to say on the matter, why not just shut up?
kosse
03-24-2008, 10:36 AM
Since you have nothing of value to say on the matter, why not just shut up?
I think I just said something and all you could come up was this senseless tirade of bitter bullshyt without any substance to it.
So, I think your advice is best applied to yourself.
Leaper
03-24-2008, 10:37 AM
[quote=Ezekiel25:17;3127874]Sweden feels strain of refugees
By Rob Cameron
BBC News, Soedertaelje
Safe haven
He is now studying to practice medicine in Sweden.
He lives in Soedertaelje, a small industrial town some 35km (22 miles) south-west of Stockholm.
Matthew came to Soedertaelje because so many like him have come before him.
Haha I live in Soedertaelje, or Södertälje in Swedish. And after reading this, my best friends nickname for Södertälje, little Bagdhad starts to make sense...
Snooz
03-24-2008, 10:41 AM
What did you say? How Finland's mighty superwarriors saved our defenceless "cozy little" nation?
Finland have no immigration to speak of.
And you have no idea whatsoever about "where things are going".
Divine
03-24-2008, 10:45 AM
[quote=Ezekiel25:17;3127874]Sweden feels strain of refugees
By Rob Cameron
BBC News, Soedertaelje
Safe haven
He is now studying to practice medicine in Sweden.
He lives in Soedertaelje, a small industrial town some 35km (22 miles) south-west of Stockholm.
Matthew came to Soedertaelje because so many like him have come before him.
Haha I live in Soedertaelje, or Södertälje in Swedish. And after reading this, my best friends nickname for Södertälje, little Bagdhad starts to make sense...
I think we can call Södertälje - al-Sudhertylye
Angrykirill
03-24-2008, 10:52 AM
****, if they're going to stay for a long time (who isn't?) they should be separated throughout the country, otherwise this is heading towards segregation and not integration.
kosse
03-24-2008, 10:54 AM
What did you say? How Finland's mighty superwarriors saved our defenceless "cozy little" nation?
Finland's position as a buffer protecting Sweden from the WW2 until the end of the Cold War is undeniable. But this is getting too offtopic.
Finland have no immigration to speak of.We do. By 2025 immigrants are going to make 25% of all students in the schools in the capital city area so it's not anything to brag about here either. Still doesn't look as nearly as bad as there though..
And you have no idea whatsoever about "where things are going".It does not take a rocket engineer to study the demographics a bit. And knowing how well the integration has worked in other European countries (GB, France) bad things are just waiting to happen.
Bongopete
03-24-2008, 10:56 AM
If a country feels the strain from those coming in legally...then they need to shut down the entry train.
Not to sound cold hearted, but if perhaps if those people who are leaving trouble spots had to stay, maybe THEY could contribute in attitude to making a place better. I have no idea what I am talking about...Im taking cold medication, forgive me.
Leaper
03-24-2008, 10:56 AM
Yeah sure! But the situation here is not as critical as people may think, most of the arabs moving here actually starts a new life the secound they come here. They start there education, starts looking for a job and starts providing for there family. But, as in all cases, there are some "ghost" among all people, an idiot minority who changes the view of the entire arab population. A view, atleast in Sweden, of Arabs being "HiImmohammedIliketoblowmyselfuponsaturdays".
But I say it's time for Sweden to close the book and to start care for the people already here, so that we can help more needing people in the future. :hug:
russiansweede
03-24-2008, 11:32 AM
some videos from the ghettos of malmö
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7y71mbZ2kI
IronFinn
03-24-2008, 12:18 PM
Yeah it makes me sick to think of all the Finnish immigrants we've taken in over the years. Especially the 40,000 Finnish children they evacuated to Sweden during WWII. The Finnish TV-programs paid for by my money is quite annoying to witness.
It was actually 80 000 + kids btw, and finnish programs broadcasted in Sweden are paid by finnish tax payers. With a funny twist, swedish programs shown in Finland are also paid by finnish tax payers. How strange is that?!
That's news to me. Could you explain these numbers?
Regarding Sweden vs. Pakistan. You can't compare a small country of some 9 million to one in the size of Pakistan.
Also, those refugees you are referring to are all from neighbouring countries. The cultural differences aren't as large as those faced in Sweden.
You are right on that, we are a country of 160million.
The Iranians are mostly from the time of the revolution. Most of them were liberal minded people who left their homes in fear of the new govt or wanted to use Pakistan as a hopping stone to the West but things never went that way so they didnt go back either. One of my very close friend's mom is an Iranian refugee. The difference is that Iranians assimilated easy and progressed nicely in the country so none of them are still in the camps or low end areas.
You are right on that, we are a country of 160million.
The Iranians are mostly from the time of the revolution. Most of them were liberal minded people who left their homes in fear of the new govt or wanted to use Pakistan as a hopping stone to the West but things never went that way so they didnt go back either. One of my very close friend's mom is an Iranian refugee. The difference is that Iranians assimilated easy and progressed nicely in the country so none of them are still in the camps or low end areas.
Ah, I honestly didn't know that. Thanks :)
Ludipipo
03-24-2008, 02:28 PM
Hej jag är dum i huvudet.
http://imittsverige.blogspot.com/ :roll:
Divine
03-24-2008, 04:16 PM
http://imittsverige.blogspot.com/ :roll:
That blogg gives a representative image of islam in the Nordic area... mainly Sweden and Denmark!
Alexandr
03-24-2008, 04:23 PM
Its too late.Shariat Law unavoidable for Europe.I'll gave it 20-30 years to final establishment.People who stronger pick up,what weaker peoples drop.Tolerance as main motive of relations - is killer of Europe as we know it.Sad but true.
GodlessAmerica!
03-24-2008, 04:25 PM
Shariat Law unavoidable for Europe.
For Russia too.
Bongopete
03-24-2008, 04:27 PM
If true that is really sad.
If true that is really sad.
Of course it's not true. It is a growing problem, but nowhere near what the domesdayprophets are preaching.
Alexandr
03-24-2008, 04:36 PM
For Russia too.
No,we are Empire,as China and India.There are no muslim empires in history of the world(Ottomans and Parias was quasy- impires,non-stable,wich falling to pieces too fast).Imperial chauvinism unbreakble by spiritual agressions - it assimilate them and make part of Imperial statement,not overthrown by them.I predict massive emigration of native Europeans to Russia in XXI century.
Trenk
03-24-2008, 04:39 PM
That blogg gives a representative image of islam in the Nordic area... mainly Sweden and Denmark!
I´ve just felt in love with your avatar... :oops:
No,we are Empire,as China and India.There are no muslim empires in history of the world(Ottomans and Parias was quasy- impires,non-stable,wich falling to pieces too fast).Imperial chauvinism unbreakble by spiritual agressions - it assimilate them and make part of Imperial statement,not overthrown by them.I predict massive emigration of native Europeans to Russia in XXI century.
RUSSIA STRONG!!!11!1
Sorry, couldn't help myself p-)
koalorka
03-24-2008, 04:50 PM
RUSSIA STRONG!!!11!1
Sorry, couldn't help myself p-)
Well, the Russians and Poles seem to be the only sane ones remaining with a bit of common sense with respect to Third World immigration. The West collapsed under the weight of it's own Liberal stupidity and political correctness.
GodlessAmerica!
03-24-2008, 04:51 PM
No,we are Empire,as China and India.There are no muslim empires in history of the world(Ottomans and Parias was quasy- impires,non-stable,wich falling to pieces too fast).Imperial chauvinism unbreakble by spiritual agressions - it assimilate them and make part of Imperial statement,not overthrown by them.
Ну конечно, Империя! Пол Москвы хачей!
I predict massive emigration of native Europeans to Russia in XXI century.
Personally I like the idea! New Europe beyond Ural!
Alexandr
03-24-2008, 04:53 PM
You may lauthig at my "preaches",well lets see after 20 years who was right.
Main differens beetven Russian and Europeans inner etnic relations - what we can tell to some nations inside Russia(as them to us) - "we dont love you,but we at same boat,so we need to move further(pure exapmle - Chechen battalions East and West,wich on duty for Russia in Abkhazia).And Europeans tell to minorites "we love you(when truly they dont)"and they definitely not in same boat.
Alexandr
03-24-2008, 04:56 PM
Ну конечно, Империя! Пол Москвы хачей!
Personally I like the idea! New Europe beyond Ural!
Это хачи,но это НАШИ хачи.А не чужие европейцам эмигранты.
sorry for stepping from forums rules.Just one reply.
Trenk
03-24-2008, 04:56 PM
You may lauthig at my "preaches",well lets see after 20 years who was right.
Main differens beetven Russian and Europeans inner etnic relations - what we can tell to some nations inside Russia(as them to us) - "we dont love you,but we at same boat,so we need to move further(pure exapmle - Chenen battalions East and West,wich on duty for Russia in Abkhazia).And Europeans can tell to minorites "we love you(when truly they dont)"and they definitely not in same boat.
with all respect, man, your country has enough problems wit its own people... scandinavia is a different deal, they got their little paradise... but...
Well, the Russians and Poles seem to be the only sane ones remaining with a bit of common sense with respect to Third World immigration. The West collapsed under the weight of it's own Liberal stupidity and political correctness.
The West collapsed huh? Well that's news to me. I'm in the West now.. Lemme look out of the window.... No... No muslim overlords patroling the streets yet.
Breakfast in Vegas
03-24-2008, 05:25 PM
Its too late.Shariat Law unavoidable for Europe.I'll gave it 20-30 years to final establishment.People who stronger pick up,what weaker peoples drop.Tolerance as main motive of relations - is killer of Europe as we know it.Sad but true.
As much as I am against the islamification of Europe and believe that measures need to be taken, that is a hopelessly exaggerated and asinine statement.
GodlessAmerica!
03-24-2008, 05:50 PM
Это хачи,но это НАШИ хачи.А не чужие европейцам эмигранты.
The problem of Muslim immigration in Russia is absolutely the same as in Europe. Both encounter completely different hostile civilisation. Dont tell me that Azeri Chechen or Dag immigrants in Moscow edentify themselves with Russian culture. "Кавказ - наш дом! Кто не с нами, тот под нами!" Familiar?
Lt. James Anderson
03-24-2008, 11:23 PM
The West collapsed huh? Well that's news to me. I'm in the West now.. Lemme look out of the window.... No... No muslim overlords patroling the streets yet.
By the time it happens it's gonna be too late to do anything about it anyways.
Heard it too many times from Europeans ... just as long as they don't beat us up we are OK with it (no balls statement, ... but hey, if that's how they like it who am I to say anything against it).
On my trips through Europe I've seen too many places that resemble ME more than Europe (and I remember when I went there the first time in mid the 80's as a kid) ... The place has definitely changed in a short time (some 20 years and I can't even imagine how it's gonna look like in another 20 years) ...
Ichhabe
03-25-2008, 12:20 AM
I predict massive emigration of native Europeans to Russia in XXI century.
I rather be a hawker trying to push my ****ty goods on the occasionally American Merchant ship passing by in the northern kalifat I would be living in than taking permanent residence in Russia.
Lt. James Anderson
03-25-2008, 12:36 AM
I rather be a hawker trying to push my ****ty goods on the occasionally American Merchant ship passing by in the northern kalifat I would be living in than taking permanent residence in Russia.
If things keep going this way Estados Unidas won't be much better choice than a kalifat ... So he might be right about RuSia ... never say never. :)
Alexandr
03-25-2008, 08:16 AM
I rather be a hawker trying to push my ****ty goods on the occasionally American Merchant ship passing by in the northern kalifat I would be living in than taking permanent residence in Russia.
It already happens 1200 years ago - Varangains Ruses form scandinavia moved to Kiev land,running from Vikings invasion,and became part of Russian nation p-) Why you so sure,it will not happend again?
GodlessAmerica!
03-25-2008, 08:30 AM
It already happens 1200 years ago - Varangains Ruses form scandinavia moved to Kiev land,running from Vikings invasion,and became part of Russian nation p-) Why you so sure,it will not happend again?
Oh dont break his dream of Greater European Islamic Archipelago! :bash:
koalorka
03-25-2008, 08:41 AM
I rather be a hawker trying to push my ****ty goods on the occasionally American Merchant ship passing by in the northern kalifat I would be living in than taking permanent residence in Russia.
Your dream of a Norwegian Sultanate is not that distant. 15-20 years. And you will be among the first to run to any remaining non-apologetic, non-PC Christian white nation. You Liberal parasites are all alike.
Alexandr
03-25-2008, 09:06 AM
The problem of Muslim immigration in Russia is absolutely the same as in Europe. Both encounter completely different hostile civilisation. Dont tell me that Azeri Chechen or Dag immigrants in Moscow edentify themselves with Russian culture. "Кавказ - наш дом! Кто не с нами, тот под нами!" Familiar?
Becouse they are not muslims.About 80 % of immigrants in Russia from Post-Sovet Asia and Causasus are non-believers,about 20 % have faith,but only 2-3 % of them is passion beilevers.And part of them are christians.I used to live in house with cristian ingush family neighbors.
Do you know how much mosques in 7-million populated St-Petersburg?One.And one more builded atm.And zero is planned to build.
Ichhabe
03-25-2008, 09:39 AM
Your dream of a Norwegian Sultanate is not that distant. 15-20 years. And you will be among the first to run to any remaining non-apologetic, non-PC Christian white nation. You Liberal parasites are all alike.
I am easaly adaptable, so you don't need to worry about me.
Ichhabe
03-25-2008, 09:41 AM
It already happens 1200 years ago - Varangains Ruses form scandinavia moved to Kiev land,running from Vikings invasion,and became part of Russian nation p-) Why you so sure,it will not happend again?
That was a void we saw needed to be filled up with coolness and awesomeness.
Snooz
03-29-2008, 07:19 AM
Hej jag är en korkad defaitist som bara gnäller utan att lyfta ett finger för att rädda Sverige.
Uhuh... :roll:
Snoshi
03-30-2008, 02:56 PM
SOLLENTUNA, Sweden - The fear of being sent back to Baghdad has taken its toll on Mustafa Aziz Alwi.
He says he cannot sleep and has lost about 20 pounds since his claim for asylum in Sweden was rejected in January.
"They told me it's because it's calmer in Iraq now, that I can go back and be happy. But they don't know that it's death there," said Aziz Alwi, 25, wiping away tears in an interview at his cousin's apartment in the Stockholm suburb of Sollentuna.
Had his case been decided a year earlier, he would probably already hold a residence permit. Sweden has given shelter to about 100,000 Iraqis, 40,000 of them since the U.S.-led invasion in 2003. That's far more than any other Western country including the U.S., which admitted just over 1,600 Iraqi refugees in the 2007 fiscal year, nearly 400 short of the annual goal of 2,000, and a big reduction from an initial target of 7,000.
But Sweden has gradually tightened its asylum rules, worried that its generous welfare system can't cope.
The effects became evident this year, when immigration statistics obtained by The Associated Press showed only 28 percent of the claims were approved in January and 23 percent in February — down from 85 percent in January 2007.
While Sweden has won praise for the welcome it extends to Iraqis, the government sees the surge of newcomers as out of control and has appealed in vain to fellow European Union states to share the burden.
"We find it totally unacceptable that some countries do a lot while others do very little," Migration Minister Tobias Billstrom told the AP.
"When very many people arrive within a very short period of time, it puts an enormous strain on the system, like schools and health care," he said.
In 2007, more than 18,000 Iraqis applied for asylum in Sweden — four times more than in Germany and 10 times more than in Britain, according to figures compiled by the European Council of Refugees and Exiles, an advocacy group.
But the numbers dropped sharply this year, with only 835 asylum-seekers coming to Sweden in February — down nearly 40 percent from the previous month to the lowest level since July 2006. In the first three weeks of March, only 376 Iraqis sought asylum in Sweden, suggesting the downward trend continues.
"Unfortunately we're not surprised," said Bjarte Vandvik, Secretary-General of the European Council of Refugees and Exiles. "It was going to happen sooner or later. The lack of solidarity in Europe ... has had this very unfortunate effect."
Sweden's turning point came last July when the Migration Board, citing decisions by the nation's highest immigration court, said the situation in Iraq could not be described as an armed conflict.
As a result, asylum-seekers now must show that they have fled specific threats of violence; general turmoil is no longer sufficient grounds.
Some international refugee experts say they've noticed a recent drop in refugees both inside and outside Iraq as security there has improved.
The U.N. Refugee Agency estimates that around 2.5 million people are displaced within Iraq, while another 2 million have fled to neighboring Arab countries.
Only about 1 percent have sought asylum in industrialized countries, the U.N. said. Of those, Sweden stands out.
The country of 9.1 million emerged as the favored Western destination for Iraqis in 2006. The general unrest in Iraq was reason enough to win a residence permit.
The industrial city of Sodertalje, 22 miles south of Stockholm, exemplifies the result.
Nicknamed "little Baghdad," Sodertalje is home to more than 6,000 Iraqis — mainly Christians — who account for about 7 percent of the city's population. The result, say city officials, is an acute shortage of housing, schools and jobs.
"There are examples of 15 people living in a two-bedroom apartment," said Sodertalje Mayor Anders Lago, who has been invited to talk about the city's Iraqi refugees to the U.S. Congress next month.
"Sweden needs immigration. It's a small country with a low birthrate, but we have to be able to receive people in a humane and dignified way — and we're not doing that right now when they have to sleep on mattresses on the floor," he said.
In Sollentuna, Aziz Alwi said one of his brothers was murdered by kidnappers in Iraq, and he himself narrowly escaped a kidnapping attempt.
The Migration Board did not buy his story, describing it as a "reconstruction."
If the decision is upheld on appeal, Swedish authorities can deport him to Iraq — by force if necessary. The two countries signed a deal last month to facilitate the return of Iraqis who are denied shelter in Sweden.
"If the police come to get me," he said, "I will fight them with all that I have."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080330/ap_on_re_eu/sweden_rejecting_iraqis
kosse
03-30-2008, 03:11 PM
^ I don't understand why we need to bring Middle East/Africa to Europe. If "general turmoil" is accepted as a valid reason to get an asylum be prepared to take millions of refugees into Europe every month. Swedes might be ready for it but the rest of us clearly aren't. Besides, the flow of these "refugees" will/would never stop anyway. We are just making it harder to help them live at their own countries by stressing ours to breaking point since most of them will live off social security when they are here.
Trenk
03-30-2008, 03:14 PM
"If the police come to get me," he said, "I will fight them with all that I have."
- I hope you don´t have much... nice start, by threatening government agency
Flamming_Python
03-30-2008, 04:27 PM
"If the police come to get me," he said, "I will fight them with all that I have."
- I hope you don´t have much... nice start, by threatening government agency
It's a tragic situation, especially when you look at it from the point of view of the individual. I would fight tooth and nail to avoid being shipped to Baghdad as well, whether I was origionally from there or not.
koalorka
03-30-2008, 10:46 PM
I am easaly adaptable, so you don't need to worry about me.
Yes, sadly these days, Europe seems to be infested with spineless apologists like yourself.
Ludipipo
03-31-2008, 01:16 PM
Uhuh... :roll:
http://hodja.files.wordpress.com/2007/04/mona_sahlin.jpg
PeterG
03-31-2008, 02:15 PM
Swedes tolerate Mona Sahlin. Proof that Sweden is lost.
1911-a1
03-31-2008, 03:08 PM
One of my teachers at school wrote Mona Muslims speeches. :(
Snoshi
03-31-2008, 04:18 PM
Swedes tolerate Mona Sahlin. Proof that Sweden is lost.
Looked her up and damn :|
Swedes are so boring, we should get inspiration from the East. Islam could liven Sweden up.
* Mona Sahlin, Euroturk, August 12, 2005.
I hate everything [that's] genuinely typically Swedish.
* Mona Sahlin in the Swedish newspaper Expressen, July 26, 2002.
I think that's what makes many Swedes jealous of immigrant groups. You have a culture, an identity, a history, something that brings you together. And what do we have? We have Midsummer's Eve and such silly things.
* Mona Sahlin in a speech to the Turkish youth organization Euroturk, March, 2002
If two equally qualified persons apply for a job at a workplace with few immigrants, the one called Mohammed should get the job.
* Mona Sahlin in an interview with the Swedish newspaper Göteborgs-Posten, October 22, 2000.
But that has nothing to do with ethnicity. Who's by the way Swedish and who's an immigrant?
* Mona Sahlin answers a question about increaced crime and immigration in the Ungt val (eng. Young Election/Choice) section of the Swedish newspaper Aftonbladet, March 15, 2002.
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Mona_Sahlin
Loki77
03-31-2008, 05:00 PM
^ I don't understand why we need to bring Middle East/Africa to Europe. If "general turmoil" is accepted as a valid reason to get an asylum be prepared to take millions of refugees into Europe every month. Swedes might be ready for it but the rest of us clearly aren't. Besides, the flow of these "refugees" will/would never stop anyway. We are just making it harder to help them live at their own countries by stressing ours to breaking point since most of them will live off social security when they are here.
Stop the wars in Middle East :)
Treacherous whòre. I hate her fcuking guts. Go wear a burka you ugly b!tch.
Swedes tolerate Mona Sahlin. Proof that Sweden is lost.
It's not too late. At least I hope it's not.
IronFinn
03-31-2008, 05:08 PM
Looked her up and damn :|
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Mona_Sahlin
Jeez what a ****! Is she for real? They should whip her out of Sweden and send her to somewhere she loves so much.
Ichhabe
03-31-2008, 08:02 PM
Yes, sadly these days, Europe seems to be infested with spineless apologists like yourself.
Excuse me?!? Did you just ****ing called me spineless??? And an apologist in the very same sentence??????
May I ask what your credentials are to come up with such accusations?
I swear to God, had this been in the 17th. century you now would be sitting home and pondering on what to choose... Pistols or sword?!?
ren0312
03-31-2008, 08:23 PM
It's not too late. At least I hope it's not.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23885015/?GT1=43001
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23885015/?GT1=43001
Well that's not in Europe. So there's no need to commit seppuku quite yet.
Loki77
04-08-2008, 09:25 PM
"It feels like Iraq or some other Arab country. I enjoy living in Malmö. :)
http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/6900/malmzj6.jpg
There are more arabs living in Israel than in Sweden :)
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