SAS / SBS combat footage from STAN

[gregb]

http://sasrogues.bravepages.com/Qala%20i%20Janghi.rm


Repost of some juicy SAS/SBS combat footage , from sunny STAN.

2.5mb Realplayer.............................ENJOY, :P

[fokket]

Thanks

[Gringo]

erm I believe I mentioned that website on another thread a while ago. The guy was asking for videos of the Iranian Embassy siege, I posted up the website with that video and many more.

[budanski]

What gun was that that was shooting out sparks in the background?

[Gringo]

Not sure myself. Too dark and poor quality to see what it was.

[Sirpad]

The blazing gun is M240.

[specialairservice]

They were sas/sbs so it would be called an GPMG not an M240, there not american

[Beowulf]

one of the weapons that's shooting out sparks was an AK w/o a flash suppressor.
all best
beowulf

[Gringo]

No he's not refering to the GPMG. Maybe the one that fired twice in the background, when it got really dark.

[ESCOBAR]

wuts SBS stand fo?

[Pinco Palla]

Special Boat Squadron , hey I thought you knew that !!

PP out

[specialairservice]

SBS stands for "Special Boat Service"

[Phantom]

for someone with the name SpecialAirService, your a bit of a **** when it comes to weapons. A GPMG is just a general purpose machine gun, it doesn't only refer to the M240/MAG-58 (depending where u come from). If it did it would be called the GPMG not the M240, so don't correct people when your gonna look like a ****

[theGHOST]

THE SAS is fukking cool, Canada used to have sumthing like that. The Canadian Airborne Regiment but its disbanded now sux.

[Phantom]

lol, JTF2 not enough for ya, you greedy bastard

[kutter]

I wouldn't say that the Airborne regiment was the equivelant of the SAS. They did wear Special Service Forces patches (which looked very similiar to the SAS logo, with the latin 'osons'- we dare) but the they were more of a rapid reaction force than special forces.

[He219]

That's an FN MAG in the video:
http://world.guns.ru/machine/fn_mag_g.jpg

Those guys firing over the battlements of the Qala-i Janghi Fortress remind me of an effective technique used in this shot:

http://hkpro.com/image/hk21air.jpg
"Don't try this at home"


;)
He219

[specialairservice]

Phantom wrote

for someone with the name SpecialAirService, your a bit of a **** when it comes to weapons. A GPMG is just a general purpose machine gun, it doesn't only refer to the M240/MAG-58 (depending where u come from). If it did it would be called the GPMG not the M240, so don't correct people when your gonna look like a ****

The gun they were using which sirpad called an m240 is know in the sas and the rest of the british forces as a GPMG. so you get your facts straight! Your the ****!

[REMOV]

Phantom wrote

for someone with the name SpecialAirService, your a bit of a **** when it comes to weapons. A GPMG is just a general purpose machine gun, it doesn't only refer to the M240/MAG-58 (depending where u come from). If it did it would be called the GPMG not the M240, so don't correct people when your gonna look like a ****The gun they were using which sirpad called an m240 is know in the sas and the rest of the british forces as a GPMG. so you get your facts straight! Your the ****!
Easy boys, you've both have right:

(1) GPMG (General Purpose Machine Gun) is a collective name for a rifle family (e.g. FN MAG 58 (BTW Mitrailleuses d'Appui General means exactly the same as GPMG), M60, MG34, MG42, MG3, HK21E, vz.59, AAT M59, M62, SiG 710-3, PK/PKS or L7A2),

..and...

(2) Belgian FN MAG 58 was also adapted by American as M240 and British as L7A1 or A2 (training model L46A1). So, the real and full name of this gun in British Army is L7A2 GPMG but soldiers uses simple way and called it "GeePeeeMGee" or just "Gimpy" for short (in this way my friends of British Territorial Army called this gun) ;)

[CX20]

Remov and SpecialAirService are both correct, that weapon is known technically as the L7A2, but commonly known as the GPMG or Gimpy. Those troopers in the video, being British, would therefore be using the British designation of the weapon, so it would not technically be a MAG-58 - it would be referred to as a GPMG. When I was in, it was ALWAYS referred to as a Gimpy, or GPMG if we were being "professional" (LOL!)

And here's your evidence from two official British MOD websites;

http://www.army.mod.uk/equipment/pw/pw_mg.htm

http://www.armedforces.co.uk/army/listings/l0096.html

By the way Phantom, just because someone may have gotten a minor fact wrong, doesn't mean you need to insult them, call them a "****" and be derogatory towards them. Was it really necessary to respond that like that? Grow up and learn some manners.

[Phantom]

have a look at your own words, A GMPG, not the GMPG, i know it's known as a "Gimpy", but you said before that it's THE GMPG

[theGHOST]

lol, JTF2 not enough for ya, you greedy bastard

Phantom, if u knew anything the JTF-2 isnt an Airborne Regiment.......sure they jump out of planes but they are tiny and are used in certain occasions.........SPECIAL.

[Phantom]

i'm sure that they have the capability for airborne insertions. and don't get up me for the airborne matter, because you just said that they were an airborne regiment, you didn't say that airborne was what you were saying is cool

[CX20]

"have a look at your own words, A GMPG, not the GMPG, i know it's known as a "Gimpy", but you said before that it's THE GMPG"

Come on, you can do better than that. That was just an ill-concieved attempt at intellect that just plain didn't make sense. I could tell you were really struggling not to say "Your (your spelling) such a ****!". How can you pick fault over the use of the words "a" and "the"? It's like picking fault over saying "a chocolate bar" or "the chocolate bar". Oh right - you had to do that as you couldn't argue with the rest of what I said, yet you didn't want to lose face. Very, very arrogant.

And what is a GMPG?

[Phantom]

i wasn't talking about what you said CX20, i was talking about what specialairservice said, the difference between A and THE GMPG is that when you use "a" it suggests that it's one of the GMPG's or a kind/type of GMPG, "the" GMPG suggests that it's the one and only. and specialairservice, if your gonna try and make a comback about how it's the British GMPG and that's what it's known as, at least call it the right bloody weapon, the M240 is the US version

[gregb]

Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2003 2:23 pm Post subject:

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That's an FN MAG in the video:


Those guys firing over the battlements of the Qala-i Janghi Fortress remind me of an effective technique used in this shot:


"Don't try this at home"


He219 ...Effective technique for what? -- wasting AMMO.. Speccy is demo. ing the effectivness of the " Pull " on the ammo feed..blah blah

[Argyll]

At 26lbs in weight,there is nothing effective about this way in firing other than getting empty casing burn your arms!!
I carried the "gympy" for the 1st year of my army career,and even trying to fire it from the shouder unsupported took some strength.
I'm also not sure that the weapon being fired above his head like that is the GPMG/M240/MAG58,it looks too slimline,it looks more like some kind of HK,which would probably be 10lbs lighter!!

[specialairservice]

Phantom wrote

i wasn't talking about what you said CX20, i was talking about what specialairservice said, the difference between A and THE GMPG is that when you use "a" it suggests that it's one of the GMPG's or a kind/type of GMPG, "the" GMPG suggests that it's the one and only. and specialairservice, if your gonna try and make a comback about how it's the British GMPG and that's what it's known as, at least call it the right bloody weapon, the M240 is the US version

I clearly stated that british personel call the weapon the GPMG and that americans call it the M240 so i don't know what your talking about.

I wrote

They were sas/sbs so it would be called an GPMG not an M240, there not american

[Steve Andrews]

CX20, A GMPG is quite obviously a General Machine Purpose Gun, silly.
The IDF have a nice way of firing the FN MAG, bipod legs (wrapped in hessian) down, holding onto the left leg with the left hand. Quite effective.
I used to carry my Gimpy like that in NI . It seemed like the right thing to do at the time - I was only 18........

[Phantom]

what's the NI?

[Gringo]

Northern Ireland

isn't it?

[Trident-za]

Yes

[Argyll]

I think the weapon in that overhead firing shot is an HK 34 LMG.
Have any of the ex Brits out there ever done any of the CQB ranges with the Gimpy?We were allowd to do it one day,for a laugh,using it the smae way as the SMG/SLR set up,jesus rounds were flying every where,but it was the firing it from the hip that was a blast,and also trying to fire it standing position unsupported!!!

[Phantom]

the trick is to be big, as in heavy, and very strong, then just stick a foregrip on the front and it can be employed as a rifle

[He219]

Phantom wrote:

the trick is to be big, as in heavy, and very strong, then just stick a foregrip on the front and it can be employed as a rifle

I totally agree... Here's one of my favorites:
http://www.m60central.com/Mk43Main.jpg
the M60E4/M43 Mod. O

An M60E3 fired from a standing position:
http://www.bigjimsmgs.com/IMAGES99/thumbjim18.gif

Argyll wrote

I think the weapon in that overhead firing shot is an HK 34 LMG.


It's actually an HK21E.

This is an MG34
http://www.mg34.com/nsh746.jpg


gregb wrote:

He219 ...Effective technique for what? -- wasting AMMO.. Speccy is demo. ing the effectivness of the " Pull " on the ammo feed..blah blah

Effective for 'wild' supressive fire over a battlement while limitng exposure. It certainly appears that the SAS shooter and others would also be exosed to taking fire. Since the shooter has opportunities to stand exposed and return fire, another more effective technique would be to aim and shoot using a foregrip as Phantom pointed out, also from a standing position, otherwise the fire is somewhat wild as the shooter is shooting either from the 'hip' or overhead.

The HK picture does demonstrates the belt pulling ability of the HK21E by Jim Schatz of HK. I was thinking of that picture for shooting overhead but with an ammo pouch ideally. Ammo is wased in either case (wild fire). The most effective technique for aimed fire given the situation would be to shoot through the battlement openings with the bipod resting on the sandstone surface or on top of the rampart itself. It appears that the shooter is 'laying' surpressive fire while observing the overall Janghi battle while standing.


p-)
He219

[Phantom]

that's an e3 mate, not an e4

[He219]

M60E3:
http://www.m60central.com/M60E3.jpg

M60E4/M43 Mod. O
http://www.m60central.com/Mk43Main.jpg


The M60E4 7.62mm light machine gun represents significant reliability and user-friendly improvements over the M60, M60D, M60E3 machine guns.
http://www.usord.com/M60E4_USORD.html
http://www.usord.com/E4Conversion_USORD.html

;)
He219

[Argyll]

HE219,
According to HK it is a new designation MG4 HK MG34
http://www.hkpro.com/MG43_1.jpg
Nice pics of the M60's,I knew that previously they were favoured by SEAL teams,who used them in the support role,often firing from the shoulder like a rifle,I'n not sure of the weight in comparison to the GPMG,but arm and upper body strength would be an advantage foe sure!!

[He219]

new designation MG4 HK MG34

THAT is an (HK)MG43 now adopted by the Bundeswehr as the MG4.

http://hkpro.com/mg43strip.jpg

6.22.2003: The MG43 has been given the official name MG4 by the German Bundeswehr.

[Argyll]

No Im not Dyslexic He219,I saw this picture and its caption on another forum,thats what it said,so I copied it..........no need to be smug ;)

[He219]

Just to compare:

FN MAG 58/M240G/L7A2 GPMG: 11 - 13 kg
MG3: 11.5kg
MG42: 11.5kg
MG34: 10.5kg
AAT-52: 10kg
M60E4/Mk43 Mod. O: 9.6 - 10.7kg
HK21E: 9.3kg
PK: 8,99kg
BAR: 8.8kg
Bren L4: 8.68kg
M60E3: 8.61kg
MG43 (MG4): 8.55kg
Mk48 mod. 0: 8.2kg
Pecheneg: 8.2kg
Negev: 7.6kg
FN Minimi/: 5.75-7.1kg
CETME Ameli: 5.3kg

p-)
He219

[theGHOST]

Phantom wrote


i'm sure that they have the capability for airborne insertions. and don't get up me for the airborne matter, because you just said that they were an airborne regiment, you didn't say that airborne was what you were saying is cool

Phantom i clearly said the JTF-2 isnt an Airborne Regiment. Half of the JTF-2 is trained for anti-terrorst n the other for spec-ops.

[Phantom]

my bad, subtle differences mate, didn't notice

[He219]

Argyll: You are right. The 34-43 dyslectic comment was made in jest. I trust you have no neurologic disorder.

The M60E4/M43 Mod. O has no relation to the MG4(3). The are two entirely different platforms. The M60 is actually a distant derivative of the old MG34/MG42! The MG43 is a new progression to the G36 series.

Phantom: Apologies for the Priate crack, mate!

p-)
He219

[spier]

Actually, the M60 GPMG is the bastard child of the MG42 and the FG42.

Nice and useful weight comparison btw. thanks.

[martinexsquaddie]

Gpmg gunners need to be Really big new this ex guardsman could shoot it from the shoulder like a rifle but he was massive.

SPECIAL AIR SERVICE
The SBS are the special boat squadron they get very upset if you call them the special boat service. I know i had it explained to me :(

[nicho]

Gpmg gunners need to be Really big new this ex guardsman could shoot it from the shoulder like a rifle but he was massive.

SPECIAL AIR SERVICE
The SBS are the special boat squadron they get very upset if you call them the special boat service. I know i had it explained to me :(

Can't remember where I read it, but I'm quite sure that it's called Special Boat Service, they apparantly changed the name not so long ago.

[kutter]

I just checked the Royal Navy's website and SBS currently stands for Special Boat Service although they were once called the the Special Boat Squadron ( I guess if you talk to an old timer its probably safer to use the latter). Don't know why the name change but I suspect it may have been to prevent any confusion with the US Navy's Special Boat Squadrons who pilot the boats for the SEALs.

[Royal]

Martin (& others), SBS is the Special Boat Service and has been for some years now - it was in WWII then changed back to Squadron in the '50's. It reverted when all non HumInt SF selection came under DSF.

[martinexsquaddie]

Cheers
though calling them a sort of 2nd rate SAS is only really safe to do from the back of a fast car :o

[DPM95]

"SBS stands for "Special Boat Service"

No, it stands for Special Boat Squadron.

[James]

No, Special Boat Service!

[Gringo]

It is DEFINATLY Special Boat Service, as the SBS has 3 squadrons in it how can it be the "Special Boat Squadron"?

[specialairservice]

It is DEFINATLY Special Boat Service, as the SBS has 3 squadrons in it how can it be the "Special Boat Squadron"?


James


Exactly

[DPM95]

The SBS was first formed during WWII as a unit under Royal Marines. Until today has the unit been know under many different names, but it's has been know as Special Boat Squadron since 1977. SBS has never been known as "Special Boat Service", and shouldn't be confused with the amphibious troop of 22nd SAS, know as Boat Troop.

http://home3.inet.tele.dk/jdj/spec_ops/count/uk_sbs.htm

Barry Davies, author of SEVERAL SAS books, and a former SAS soldier, also refer to the Special Boat Squadron.

In this case I'm afraid you guys are wrong.

[Chops]

DPM

Barry Davies has made numerous mistakes in his books. This is obviously one of them. He is very much out of the loop. SBs changed their name a few years ago to Service.

The current job spec for an SC is:

Swimmer Canoeist (SC)
The role of the Swimmer Canoeist specialisation is to provide highly trained Special Boat Service (SBS) personnel capable of fulfilling support to indigenous forces, Offensive Operations, Surveillance and Reconnaissance and Maritime Counter-Terrorism (MCT). All individuals must successfully complete the UK Joint Special Forces Selection 'Test Week'

From, surprisingly enough, the Royal Navy and specifically http://www.royal-navy.mod.uk/rn/index.php3?page=5037

As has been said before, if you don't know what you're talking about ask a question. Otherwise shut the **** up.

rgds

Chop Chop

[Chops]

DPM

Meant to add- there are no "amphibious troop" in 22. Each squadron, that's Sabre Squadron rather than Saber, has four troops nominally at 16 members per. One of these, in each squadron, is called Boat Troop. There are four squadrons in 22. Thus there are four Boat Troops. I suspect this is what you refer to.

rgds

Chops

[canuck]

THIS VIDEO IS NOT SAS OR SBS!!!!!!!

[Gringo]

then who?

[canuck]

Northern Alliance soldiers,CIA combat teams and Delta force.

[Haiw]

sigh...even a blind man (actually, ESPECIALLY a blind man lol) cud tell it's british guys...

[canuck]

NotBrits. On uniform clearly says US "something" Could be US Air Force Yhey have special combat teams also

[Gringo]

NotBrits. On uniform clearly says US "something" Could be US Air Force Yhey have special combat teams also

They weren't wearing a uniform, except the US guys who were wearing the tri-colour uniforms.
Channel 4 (brit' television) news got into some trouble with the MoD for showing that recording. If there weren't UK guys there then why would the MoD be so bothered?

[Bootneck]

Did you see the same video I saw? These guys are clearly British operators - either SBS or SAS. As the announcer says, "the accents are unmistakable." These are also the same guys show in CNN's 'House of War' pulling up to Qala-i-Jangi in white landies.

I've pulled multiple stills from this footage. I don't see anyone wearing a uniform nor do I see any badge/tape saying "US Something". If you've seen something different how about giving the time code on the vid so the rest of us can see it.

[Gordon]

NotBrits. On uniform clearly says US "something" Could be US Air Force Yhey have special combat teams also

That's the funniest thing i've seen all week. Tell me, when you watched this footage did you listen to the sound as well?

As HAIW said even a blindman could tell you these guys are British.

I suggest you watch this footage again and turn up the sound REAL loud.

[Beowulf]

Did you see the same video I saw? These guys are clearly British operators - either SBS or SAS. As the announcer says, "the accents are unmistakable." These are also the same guys show in CNN's 'House of War' pulling up to Qala-i-Jangi in white landies.

I've pulled multiple stills from this footage. I don't see anyone wearing a uniform nor do I see any badge/tape saying "US Something". If you've seen something different how about giving the time code on the vid so the rest of us can see it.

There is one guy with an US Air Force name tape on his uniform, just watch the video again. (1:46)

You obviously haven't been that thorough because there are a number of people with uniforms. (1:29-1:50) Commentator calls them USSF which is probably true. The rest are most likely brits, judging by the accents.

[Bootneck]

You're right Beowulf. My bad, I forgot about the US guys at the tail end. My fanboy SAS/SBS obsession must have overwhelmed me!

Canuck - You're still wrong.

[mocking_loudly]

Only a complete and bloody idiot would think the brits were yanks considering the accents (yes there are some americans at the end).

I also find it amusing that some people at the start of this thread were commenting on SAS firing stances.... infact maybe we should send the boys a nice letter.

"Dear most revered fighting force.... my friends on the net think you are using your weapons in an incorrect fashion while engaging the enemy...my suggestion is as follows..."

ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRGH!.

Some times the voices tell me to kill the plebs!.

[b00n]

Northern Alliance soldiers,CIA combat teams and Delta force.

Correct, and Monty Python comes from Munich woot

[mocking_loudly]

and boon is the minister of funny walks ;)