question about ireland

[gaboki]

ok forgive my ignorance, but i just got done reading bravo two zero, and it said somthing about him being involved in ireland, or north ireland...
if you know what im talking about, can you give me a little bit more info, possibly pictures? thnks in advance..

[martinexsquaddie]

Northern Ireland the 6 counties or my favorite La La land
a 17th century conflict being fought in the 21st century.
a stupid stupid conflict that could have been over in 1974 but is still simmering below the surface. I reccomend the BBC series of books the The IRA, The Loyalists, and the Brits. prepared to be depressed though :roll:
The SAS did a lot of covert OP works and some spectacular actions.
the ambush at louchnagall being probably the most famous.
But politics was always involved with the conflict. Its grinding its way to a solution now though theres an awful lot of dirty laundry coming out about the British security forces actions. whats not coming out is why the security forces did what they did and the fact that many republicans politicans either have blood on there hands or were at the least in the room when murders were discussed.

[RoBBo]

if anyone is interested u should visit www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk
they often have some very interesting articles about ex IRA hitmen who have gone public on their operations and the relationship shared between security forces and paramilitary forces.[/url]

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some random northern ireland pics...



http://www.terrorismanswers.com/images/photos/types.jpg http://www.terrorismanswers.com/images/photos/uvf_pic.jpg

[gaboki]

so basicly it was a sort of a civil war?
or would you compare it to like the russian/chechyean conflict?

[Chris1]

No.
It was Terrorism.
It was not a civil war, as if you consider the two sides to be organistations like the UDA against the IRA, neither were prepared to meet each other or the security forces in open conflict.
When the majority protestants started killing the minority catholics and the catholics started killing the protestants the army was sent in.
The reason for it was not to suppress the republicans/catholics.
The reason was to prevent catholics and protestants killing each other.
Mistakes were made in the handling of the situation, the tactics for dealing with such a conflict initially were either not there or out of date by decades.
Initially, the soldiers did not have the training to handle such a conflict and this just didn't help the situation (and the arguement of using soldiers as policemen in NI and abroad continues to this day)
Result was, the security forces ended up in the sights of both sides.
Then you have riots, attacks on security forces, bloody sunday, IRA bombings, snipers bombs and ambushes, murders and the like going on for 30 odd years.
Then you have an agreement that stopped the bombs (almost) but didn't solve the issue and let every terrorist caught and convicted by the security forces off scot free

Link.
http://www.britains-smallwars.com/ni/index.html

[martinexsquaddie]

Must say a real thankyou to the boston irish americans for supplying cash to terrorists always make me laugh when i hear yanks going on about being tough on terrorists woot

[gaboki]

No.
It was Terrorism.
It was not a civil war, as if you consider the two sides to be organistations like the UDA against the IRA, neither were prepared to meet each other or the security forces in open conflict.
When the majority protestants started killing the minority catholics and the catholics started killing the protestants the army was sent in.
The reason for it was not to suppress the republicans/catholics.
The reason was to prevent catholics and protestants killing each other.
Mistakes were made in the handling of the situation, the tactics for dealing with such a conflict initially were either not there or out of date by decades.
Initially, the soldiers did not have the training to handle such a conflict and this just didn't help the situation (and the arguement of using soldiers as policemen in NI and abroad continues to this day)
Result was, the security forces ended up in the sights of both sides.
Then you have riots, attacks on security forces, bloody sunday, IRA bombings, snipers bombs and ambushes, murders and the like going on for 30 odd years.
Then you have an agreement that stopped the bombs (almost) but didn't solve the issue and let every terrorist caught and convicted by the security forces off scot free

Link.
http://www.britains-smallwars.com/ni/index.html

thanks for the info chris, im begining to understand this "conflict" a bit better now...

[specialairservice]

Read "Imediate Action" by Andy Mcnab, it has a large section about operations in Ireland against the IRA.

[Duke]

What that the Irish drink too much? The answer is yes. My old man is half irish and he drinks like fish. He believes hes gotta drink twice as much to get REAL-Irish drunk. ERIN GO BRAGH

[Chris1]

Yes, the SAS quickly sussed this and came up with the perfect camoflague (http://www.dirtybill.com/friends/Guiness.jpg)

[RoBBo]

its interesting to see how the loyalist and unionist forces have evolved from terrorist activities that serve a political purpose to a more organise crime style syndicate, they are all gangsters now. Drug dealing and trafficking has become extrememly big in belfast.

[martinexsquaddie]

THE PROVOS ARE UP TO THERE NECKS IN IT AS WELL.
unless you belive there guys went to columbia to Bird Watch.
Whats an unemployed gunman to do?
can't wait for Hamas style drug dealers won't that be an improvement not :roll: