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Macs.
04-03-2008, 11:38 AM
EXODUS FROM HATRED

Iraqi Christians Seek Refuge in Germany

Christians are being severely persecuted in Iraq. German churches are now urging the government to be generous in granting them asylum -- and have encountered broad support.

The peaceful, idyllic scenery outside their window is completely foreign to them. The house in the western German city of Essen, where they had arrived the previous Wednesday, faces a landscape of small gardens in full bloom. Fascinated, the seven children in the Jalal family are constantly looking out the window. They have come from Mosul in Iraq to Germany's Ruhr region, where their grandparents, who have already been living here for four years, have taken them in.

Armed Sunnis forced their way into the Jalal family's house last August. Screaming "damned Christians," they beat the children, the eldest of them only 14. The attackers spat at pictures of the Virgin Mary on the wall and then shot the mother to death in front of her children. Her husband had been kidnapped a few days earlier on the way to work and disappeared without a trace.

The escape from Iraq took the children to Germany by way of Damascus. Staff members at the German embassy in the Syrian capital were so touched by their story that they did everything within their power, even getting senior members of the German Foreign Ministry involved, to help the children.

The reports compiled by the ministry headed by Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier, a member of the Social Democratic Party (SPD), paint a grim picture of the situation for Christians in Iraq. According to the Foreign Ministry information, only 400,000 of the 800,000 Christians who were living in Iraq in 2005 remain there today. "Threats, murder and abduction are part of daily life for Christians in Iraq," says the German government's human rights commissioner Günter Nooke, a member of the conservative Christian Democratic Union (CDU). According to Bishop Wolfgang Huber, the head of the Evangelical Church in Germany, Christians in Iraq face violence that is the equivalent of "ethnic cleanings and genocide in other places."

Huber has quietly joined forces with representatives of the Catholic Church to campaign for the establishment of a German humanitarian assistance program, and his efforts have apparently met with success. This week Erika Steinbach, human rights spokeswoman for the CDU and the Christian Social Union (CSU) joint parliamentary group, plans to argue for a contingent solution that would involve the rapid acceptance of a large number of refugees in Germany.

The Interior Ministry has already taken an important humanitarian step. In a decree dated May 15, 2007, Interior Minister Wolfgang Schäuble (CDU) ordered that asylum already granted to Iraqis should not be revoked "for the time being." It could be assumed that Christians from central and southern Iraq, Schäuble wrote, were being "generally persecuted as a group by non-government parties in Iraq." This provides the roughly 2,500 refugees already in Germany with the certainty that they will not be sent back to Iraq, at least for the time being.

In a few days, however, there will be far more at stake within the Human Rights Commission in the German parliament, the Bundestag. The churches want lawmakers to guarantee the long-term right of asylum and settlement for a much larger number of refugees -- between 20,000 and 30,000 Christians who are part of the educated upper and middle classes in Iraq. There is enough capacity in Germany, argues Bishop Huber, "to provide, in collaboration with European partners, a relevant number of Iraqi refugees with the opportunity to settle here." According to a spokesman of Interior Minister Schäuble, the government "is thinking about a contingent solution." Human rights commissioner Nooke also favors Germany accepting the Iraqi refugees.

The End of a Ancient Christian Culture

For years, human rights groups like Amnesty International and the Society for Threatened Peoples have sought to draw attention to the plight of Iraqi Christians, who have apparently been caught between two fronts. Sunnis and Shiites alike hate Christians and because many of them speak English and often work for the military as interpreters, they are seen as supporters of the coalition forces and thus as "traitors" to the Iraqi people.

Priests are being murdered, churches blown up and bombs detonated in Christian schools. Last spring, Sunni militias demanded that Christian families in places like Basra and Mosul pay a "special tax for infidels." Those who were unable to pay were told to send a family member to the mosque on Fridays to publicly convert to Islam. Families that refused to comply with either edict were ordered, in the name of Allah, to leave their houses within 24 hours. This has made refugees out of thousands of Christians, but the capacity of neighboring countries like Syria to accept them has reached its limits.

Christian clerics in Iraq -- and at the Vatican -- were long hesitant to address the idea of flight and exodus more clearly, anxious not to further accelerate the process of emigration. Iraqi Christians, after all, are leaving their homes in an ancient Christian region with a unique history. Those who are now being driven out are the descendants of the original Christian communities between the Tigris and Euphrates Rivers, one of the cradles of world Christianity. Most Iraqi Christians belong to the Chaldean Church, which dates back to St. Thomas the Apostle in the 1st century A.D.
The exodus signifies the preliminary end of a culture that is thousands of years old. This explains why the Chaldean Catholic Archbishop of Mosul, Paulos Faraj Rahho, wanted to stand his ground and be "the last to jump ship."

Unknown assailants abducted Rahho in February. His body was found three weeks ago in a garbage dump near Mosul.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,545125,00.html

BugHunt
04-03-2008, 11:54 AM
No **** Mac's.

Been said repeatedly on a regular basis by all major news channels over here.

Apparently they make a huge proportion of the Iraqi refugee's.....


Grim stories.

Nephilim
04-03-2008, 11:57 AM
I say we set up another crusade on them for persecuting christians...

*sarcasm*

BugHunt
04-03-2008, 12:00 PM
A crusade to bring democracey?

Actually said in one of Bushes speeches :/

pacifist
04-03-2008, 12:02 PM
I say we set up another crusade on them for persecuting christians...

*sarcasm*

Don't even joke about that. This 21st century and we should have grown over that phase.

I'm an atheist, but i'd welcome any middle-eastern christian as a refugee to Finland.

Nephilim
04-03-2008, 12:03 PM
I'm an atheist, but i'd welcome any middle-eastern christian as a refugee to Finland.

Same here.

I´ve just been bloody sarcastic sorry...
"Religion of peace... bla bla..."

pacifist
04-03-2008, 12:03 PM
Actually said in one of Bushes speeches :/

One of his many major screw ups.

I can't think of a name
04-03-2008, 12:06 PM
"Paying Taxes for being Infidels"

That is an old Islamic practice called Dhimmitude. Infidels have no rights. They are treated as sub-humans or killed if they don't convert. Wonderful...

Nephilim
04-03-2008, 12:09 PM
This 21st century and we should have grown over that phase.


That is an old Islamic practice called Dhimmitude. Infidels have no rights. They are treated as sub-humans or killed if they don't convert. Wonderful...


The only difference is, that apperently some muslims seem to live in the medieval.

Warlord
04-03-2008, 12:14 PM
Let's see how much more difficult it is for those Iraqi Christians to take refuge in Europe.

It's sad. But then again, the Christian response to this is turn the other cheeck.

Gulag
04-03-2008, 12:55 PM
Another big problem in case of religion. It's 2008, we should really move on and left faith in gods behind. World would be nicer. Less wars, killing etc.

Lokos
04-03-2008, 12:58 PM
move on and left faith in gods behind. World would be nicer. Less wars, killing et

One can accuse religion of being a convenient excuse for war. A perceptibly 'legitimate' reason to fight. But the underlying reasons are entirely removed from the realm of theological concerns. Take religion out of the equation and you're looking at just as much war for other given reasons - and the same structural reasons.

Lokos

Nano
04-03-2008, 01:19 PM
One can accuse religion of being a convenient excuse for war. A perceptibly 'legitimate' reason to fight. But the underlying reasons are entirely removed from the realm of theological concerns. Take religion out of the equation and you're looking at just as much war for other given reasons - and the same structural reasons.

Lokos

That is the case Lokos, but one can not argue against the value religion has as an extremely effective tool for both command/control and rallying support for legitimate and illegitimate war. I have a saying encompassing this concept. "Men wage war for their God more so than for country." - Nano

Nano

Van Gogh
04-03-2008, 01:30 PM
Let's see how much more difficult it is for those Iraqi Christians to take refuge in Europe.

It's sad. But then again, the Christian response to this is turn the other cheeck.

this has complicated my stance on religion.

Gulag
04-03-2008, 01:35 PM
I really believe that religion was...made to make life easier for people. But now it is more like burden sometimes (homo******s etc)

Nephilim
04-03-2008, 04:24 PM
Thing is that Religions have been used in the past and today to legitimate wars.
just think of the crusades or now the jihad that some freaks are trippin on.

its being purely abused as a substitute for a geniuine reason.

"they said our god is a f@g!"
"WAR ON THEM!!

...

Moxica
04-04-2008, 03:59 PM
Religion was just a tool to take control over people
Any religious person is just as dangerous
:bash:

hank
04-04-2008, 04:12 PM
I really believe that religion was...made to make life easier for people. But now it is more like burden sometimes (homo******s etc)

Quoted for posterity.

Religion is a burden on homo******s?

hank

eskachig
04-04-2008, 04:17 PM
The only difference is, that apperently some muslims seem to live in the medieval.Actually in the middle ages Muslims lived in relative peace with religious minorities in their borders. This is modern regression.