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plato
04-04-2008, 11:01 PM
I knew something wasn't so right when Chinese government started to promote this terribly made www.anti-cnn.com (http://www.anti-cnn.com)

I don't have problems with people trying to point out the mistakes by media. But, the current Chinese reaction is more than that! I think at least in one way, the Chinese government is preparing China for the possible negative news from this summer's Olympics. If something goes wrong, they can claim it is western media's fault!

One of the better articles on China's media:
http://thechinabeat.blogspot.com/2008/03/taelspin-on-tibet-chinese-response-to.html



Foreign media coverage of the demonstrations and riots in Lhasa, Qinghai, Sichuan, and Gansu two weeks ago has sparked a significant backlash here in China. State media continues to release increasingly shrill diatribes (http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008-03/26/content_7863400.htm) against Western media bias as Chinese netizens (http://www.mutantpalm.org/2008/03/15/chinese-tweet-updates-on-lhasa-5/)take to the internet (http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5iUfsoamXS1Rw757Y_hOIZPVxH-SA) with their own protests (http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/2008/03/24/china-bloggers-declare-war-on-western-medias-tibet-coverage/) sparked by a general perception that coverage of the riots was purposely warped and skewed by anti-China forces in the West. (For a sampling in English, check out the back and forth on this forum (http://bbs.chinadaily.com.cn/viewthread.php?gid=2&tid=584200&extra=&page=1) hosted by that bastion of journalistic integrity and objectivity: The China Daily.) There’s a whole website devoted to attacking CNN, (http://anti-cnn.com/) and in this age of user-generated online content, we see the battle spilling over onto (the recently blocked and unblocked) YouTube (http://www.danwei.org/video/youtube_propaganda_war.php). Moreover, some of these videos and blog posts seem intended for a wider audience (http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/2008/03/25/bridgeblogging-chinese-anger-over-perceived-media-bias/), not just for domestic consumption.
Over at the popular online forum Tianya, I stumbled across a thread (http://cache.tianya.cn/publicforum/content/no06/1/79159.shtml) in which a patriotic and enterprising youth has cut and pasted pages from a media directory, telling readers that the telephone is their greatest weapon and they should use it against the foreign news organizations:
If someone is there, inquire about their mother (ahem). If they don’t pick up, keep calling and when somebody answers, curse them out and then hang up—the idea is to jam the lines so the SOBs can’t use their telephones. [paraphrase]
Charming. I remember playing this game once. When I was 12.
On a more serious note, criticism of Chinese government actions and policies is once again perceived as being anti-China, (http://thechinabeat.blogspot.com/2008/02/prejudice-made-plausible-foreign.html) but that said: those who claim that some foreign media organizations have reason to apologize might well be right.
In the hours and days following the event, there were several cases of words and especially images misrepresenting what was going on in Tibet (http://www.zonaeuropa.com/20080326_1.htm). While I doubt this was due to a global anti-China conspiracy (a state-sponsored bogeyman if there ever was one) it certainly suggested sloppy journalism. As the first news of significant unrest emerged from Lhasa on May 14, it seemed like one of those stories that writes itself, which is a classic trap for any journalist: "Tibetan Monks! Chinese Troops! Film at 11!" Not that the Chinese coverage was any more nuanced (“Let’s blame it all on the Dalai Lama Clique!”), but at least CCTV and Xinhua wear their lack of objectivity on their sleeve.
For its part, Xinhua blamed the Western media bias on a “cognitive blackout,” and many foreign journalists in China do need a more sophisticated understanding of the issues in Tibet. Unfortunately, the government chose to respond to this cognitive blackout with a news blackout. In the absence of information, the mind races even as the fingers type, and western journalists are generally trained in such a way that when a government appears to be hiding something, it must be something worth hiding, and so they begin to suspect the worst. On the day the violence erupted, only The Christian Science Monitor and The Economist had people on the ground filing stories as Beijing Street in Lhasa burned. Everybody else was in Beijing (the city) desperately trying to get as close as they could to the action but to little avail: the government was not letting any more foreign journalists into Tibet. Facing the demands of a 24-hour news cycle, and working with rumors, recycled information, and a limited pool of images and footage from Lhasa, too many journalists relied on preconceived notions and faulty assumptions with predictable results.
When sympathy demonstrations and unrest broke out in ethnic Tibetan regions in Sichuan, Gansu, and Qinghai, foreign media representatives rushed to these (slightly) more accessible areas, resulting in a flood of "Dateline: Xiahe" stories even as the PSB, local cops, and the usual hired goon squads tried to keep the foreigners away from hot spots. One Beijing-based journalist out west last week retorted that if a meeting of The Foreign Correspondents Club of China had been called in the Lanzhou airport transit lounge, they might have had a quorum. (On a separate note, FCCC president Melinda Liu has been quite vocal (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/03/24/MNK6VMJJK.DTL) in expressing her disappointment and displeasure at the government restrictions on journalists covering this story.) Just yesterday, the Chinese government finally agreed to allow a select pool of journalists to travel to Lhasa, a move that backfired (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080327/ts_nm/china_tibet_dc_153) almost immediately.
The whole mess has become a PR nightmare of Olympic proportions (http://news.imagethief.com/blogs/china/archive/2008/03/19/the-trouble-with-china-s-communication-about-tibet.aspx).
Unsurprisingly, media coverage of Tibet was a major topic when Danwei (http://danwei.org/) held its Second Plenary Session (http://www.danwei.org/events/danwei_plenary_session_tuesday.php) here in Beijing on Tuesday night. It was an excellent evening and kudos to Jeremy Goldkorn and the Danwei team for putting it together. Featured speakers included Steven Liu, Olympic News Editor at Sohu.com and part of the duo that produce Antiwave (反波) a series of podcasts focusing on foreign and Chinese media; journalist Raymond Zhou who has written for The China Daily among other publications; Lindsey Hilsum, international news editor for Britain’s Channel 4 News and whose reports can be seen Stateside on PBS's The News Hour with Jim Lehrer; and Jonathan Watts, East Asia correspondent for The Guardian and a last-minute replacement for CNN’s Jaime FlorCruz (http://cache.tianya.cn/publicforum/content/no06/1/79159.shtml), who--it is safe to say--is not having the easiest week of his China career.
(On some level, you have to feel just a little bit for CNN: When Xinhua calls you out for lack of objectivity it’s a bit like Britney Spears suggesting that your life is out of control and you should think about getting some counseling, but I digress...)
Asked about claims of a western media bias regarding the Tibetan situation, Jonathan Watts called the events of March 14, “The most important story of my five years in China, and the most difficult to cover because we weren't allowed anywhere near the story.” He strongly criticized the government’s decision to prevent journalists from traveling to Lhasa, a sentiment echoed by Lindsey Hilsum.
Raymond Zhou took a different view, arguing that Western media coverage of China has in general been far too negative and ignores the positive aspects of China’s development. “A farmer in the (American) Midwest, reading only the western newspapers, would get the impression that China is a dreadful place,” he said, responding to a question I asked regarding the differing role of journalists in the PRC (cheerleader for the government) and in Europe and North America (watchdog media).
Mr. Zhou has a point, except that the negativity of the media in Europe and the United States isn’t just directed at the CCP. The Bush administration constantly laments the lack of ‘positive coverage’ for the Iraq War. The front pages of the New York Times, Le Figaro, and The Guardian are filled with stories that would seem quite ‘negative’ when compared with the front pages at my local newsstand in Beijing, and as a daily viewer of the morning and evening CCTV news, I’ve noticed that this compulsion to accentuate the positive and eliminate the negative stops at the water’s edge: CCTV never hesitates to trumpet the latest murder statistics, school shooting, natural disaster, or political scandal from America, not to mention the Chinese state media's almost gleeful reportage on the ongoing US disaster in Iraq. (By way of recent example: A montage of Elliot Spitzer headlines, including those from the New York Post and New York Observer, occupied a prominent place in the morning newscast a couple of weeks back.)
I’m a historian by training, and as I’ve written elsewhere, history is a slippery ally in contemporary political disputes (http://granitestudio.org/2008/03/20/from-imperial-subjects-to-national-citizens/) and I'm frustrated by the extent to which the historical record has been twisted and warped by both Chinese state media and the free Tibet crowd (http://tenementpalm.blogspot.com/2007/04/free-advice-for-free-tibet-crowd.html). But the truth is that history education in the PRC is highly politicized, and the state uses it to shape public opinion and to preserve the legitimacy of the government and the Party. The netizen response is a reflection of this, and this response has also received (at the very least) tacit official support from the traditional state media. I see a parallel here to the anti-Japanese internet fervor (http://chinadigitaltimes.net/2005/05/anthony_faiola.php) of a few years back, which was also given a pretty free rein and tacit official support until it threatened to hurt Sino-Japanese relations and the government stepped in and shut it down.
At the same time, while the Chinese-language online world is bursting with harsh condemnations of foreign media treachery, almost all opinions or ideas expressed in opposition to the official line are quickly blacked out, blocked, or deleted. There is little incentive for the government to allow open discussion of the Tibet question (http://rconversation.blogs.com/rconversation/2008/03/tibet-is-discus.html), and the curriculum of ‘patriotic education’ in the schools means that alternative perspectives on history or politics get short shrift.
The government line that China is becoming stronger and all this negative attention is mere jealousy also works on a basic level because it is a psychologically comforting response to a complex situation. Eleanor Roosevelt once said: “One of the best ways to enslave a people is to keep them from education. The second way of enslaving a people is to suppress the sources of information, not only by burning books but also by controlling all the ways in which ideas are transmitted.” When you have young people who grow up in an environment with a single point of view that is both psychologically palatable and which ties self-esteem to national pride, it’s not surprising that you get the “fenqing (愤青) phenomenon,” angry young Chinese who make up the bulk of these online demonstrations against the foreign media.
At the Danwei session, Steven Lin, argued that the role of the online forums was as a psychological release valve for these angry young people (actually the metaphor was a little more scatological, but you get the point). Raymond Zhou concurred and said that 99% of what is posted on the BBSs is "garbage." That may be, and certainly the fenqing are more extreme than mainstream Chinese views on the subject, but not by much and their anger suggests that disruption of future events, not the least of which the Beijing Olympics, will be treated with the same indignant fury as the riots in Lhasa. These past few weeks, many young Chinese responded on BBSs with anger, natural enough given the brutality of some of the attacks on Han Chinese in Tibet, but it was anger tinged with real hatred. Sentiments such as "Forget the Olympics, ignore the Western critics," "restore order at all costs," "strike hard," and "smash the Tibetan ingrates" reverberated in cyberspace, as well as more moderate views that called for foreign news organizations to issue retractions and apologies. A fax sent to several news organizations this week had "Shameless CNN! Shameless America! One day we Chinese will be strong!" written in a scrawling hand.


It's true that following the outbreak of unrest on March 14, many in the foreign media dropped the ball, in some cases due to lazy or mistaken reporting, in others as the result of preconceived notions of the situation and a misunderstanding of the complexities in the Sino-Tibetan relationship. Meanwhile, coverage in the Chinese state media was little better in its histrionic attempts to portray the Dalai Lama as a demonic mastermind bent on splitting China and “re-imposing a slave society” on Tibetans. Chinese netizen response was sparked by outrage at flawed reports and a perception of bias in foreign coverage of the event, but i was also the product of an environment where the Party line is the only possible interpretation of either historical or contemporary ‘reality.’ Unfortunately, I fear this is not the last time in this Olympic year that competing expectations and perceptions, by the Chinese state and public on one side and the foreign media on the other, will result in unpleasantness. Stay tuned.
Posted by Jeremiah Jenne

plato
04-04-2008, 11:12 PM
CNN even bothered to issue a statement regarding its coverage on China.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/03/28/tib...ent/index.html

The Chinese media reported this statement and completely omitted the part highlighted in red below.
http://news.sina.com.cn/c/2008-04-01/111415269068.shtml

CNN) -- CNN has been singled out for criticism for our coverage of events in Tibet through an anti-CNN.com Web site and elsewhere. We have provided comprehensive coverage of all sides of this story, but two specific allegations relate to pro-Tibetan bias. We would like to take this chance to respond to them:
Allegation 1: CNN intentionally cropped an image in order to remove Tibetan protesters throwing stones at Chinese trucks.
CNN refutes all allegations by bloggers that it distorts its coverage of the events in Tibet to portray either side in a more favorable light. We have consistently and repeatedly shown all sides of this story. The one image in question was used wholly appropriately in the specific editorial context and there could be no confusion regarding what it was showing, not least because it was captioned: "Tibetans throw stones at army vehicles on a street in the capital Lhasa." The picture gallery included in Tibet stories includes the image. (See the gallery) (http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/03/28/tibet.statement/index.html#cnnSTCPhoto)
We have also published images showing violence by Tibetans against the Chinese. A March 18 story shows Tibetan youths attacking a Chinese man. (Read the story) (http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/03/18/tibet.unrest/index.html#cnnSTCText)
Additionally, we have published video from the Chinese media apparently showing Tibetans attacking Chinese interests in Lhasa. http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/.element/img/2.0/mosaic/tabs/video.gif(Watch the video) » (http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/03/28/tibet.statement/index.html#cnnSTCVideo)
Allegation 2: CNN referred to Tibet as a "country."
CNN's policy is to refer to Tibet as "Tibet Autonomous Region of China." In our dozens of stories on the topic to date, we are aware of only two instances where it was incorrectly referenced as a country.
CNN's reputation is based on reporting global news accurately and impartially, while our coverage through the use of words, images or video always reflects a wide range of opinions and points of view on every story.

Jack Luo (Han Chinese)
04-05-2008, 05:05 AM
Hi!
I am not interested in what you think about. It is fact, CNN, BBC and many other western media often make these mistakes deliberately or in-deliberately. It is common. Everybody has some bias in his mind to some extent. Isn't there some bias in your minds towards China? Bias make you into blind.

plato
04-05-2008, 05:11 AM
Hi!
I am not interested in what you think about. It is fact, CNN, BBC and many other western media often make these mistakes deliberately or in-deliberately. It is common. Everybody has some bias in his mind to some extent. Isn't there some bias in your minds towards China? Bias make you into blind.


Do you slap your own face, often?

Dercius
04-05-2008, 12:42 PM
The only problem about the whole tibet issue, is that there are not civil rights in China, big deal ehhh.Its sad, but it happens in lots of countries around the world. The difference is that those other countries just shut up or dont give a **** about world oppinion. Chinese government wants to put the blame on the free and independent media and wants them to say they are sorry for doing their job, instead of the propaganda job carried by all chinese news agencies.

Jack Luo (Han Chinese)
04-06-2008, 10:45 AM
Ha~~~Ha~~~
Funny.

Switek
04-06-2008, 11:09 AM
... Chinese government wants to put the blame on the free and independent media and wants them to say they are sorry for doing their job, instead of the propaganda job carried by all chinese news agencies.

Semms that his (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Goebbels) soul:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/8a/Goebbels.jpg/173px-Goebbels.jpg

is still alive... :|

Hollis
04-06-2008, 11:11 AM
Hi!
I am not interested in what you think about. It is fact, CNN, BBC and many other western media often make these mistakes deliberately or in-deliberately. It is common. Everybody has some bias in his mind to some extent. Isn't there some bias in your minds towards China? Bias make you into blind.


Actually, In the States CNN is not view as the source for news. Also the BBC has it's reputation in the states too. Neither are considered to be creditable by a lot of Americans. Would be interesting to see what Fox news has to say about this.

BTW that does not mean those two medias are wrong on this, but I don't trust them.

ocean
04-06-2008, 11:42 AM
Stopped taking CNN seriously since long time ago.

socom6
04-06-2008, 12:11 PM
Main stream media news sucks and lots of people know this and dont give a damn. So when China starts to send its legions of e-tools to swamp the net and airwaves disparaging CNN Fox BBC et al, the rest of us stand back and laugh.

Switek
04-06-2008, 12:34 PM
News produced by media is a product for sale. The problem is that in such competing environment where time, sources and cost are the most important factors I'm not surprised that what we can see on TV or read in newspapers looks like many other products made in China which look almost like originals.

It's not matter of being biased. It's a matter of sinking journalist standards.

Chulo
04-06-2008, 12:36 PM
Hi!
I am not interested in what you think about. It is fact, CNN, BBC and many other western media often make these mistakes deliberately or in-deliberately. It is common. Everybody has some bias in his mind to some extent. Isn't there some bias in your minds towards China? Bias make you into blind.
true bias can make you blind, but atleast we have the freedom to choose where we get our news from, the freedom to do our own research and come to our own conclusion, the freedom to pick what media we listen to and what facts we believe is right or wrong. those BASIC facts that help establish a world view, maintain and develop a bias that is not as skewered and influenced by a government, and this is what the Chinese people do not have

little icebear
04-06-2008, 12:45 PM
Big nations with an even bigger inferiority complex suck. China should relax. This country behaves like my mom. That´s why I hate to visit her for longer than one afternoon or so.

oxxi
04-07-2008, 12:29 AM
Just be friendly with the world, its all we ask. (United States)

SS1983
04-07-2008, 02:35 AM
People around me have forgotten Tibet incident,Xinhua and CCTV focus on O Games,but I found so many people here focus on Tibet,How about Iraq?They have more problems than Tibet.

Maybe somebody want us to ignore Iraq?

muttbutt
04-07-2008, 10:04 AM
People around me have forgotten Tibet incident,Xinhua and CCTV focus on O Games,but I found so many people here focus on Tibet,How about Iraq?They have more problems than Tibet.

Maybe somebody want us to ignore Iraq?
Iraq is on the news and in the the news 7 day's a week....:roll:

SS1983
04-07-2008, 10:30 AM
Iraq is on the news and in the the news 7 day's a week....:roll:

Fine,let's talk about Tibet again.

lenovo
04-07-2008, 11:01 AM
The Riots in Lhasa

  by Eirik Granqvist, a foreign expert in Shanghai who visited Tibet in 2006

  "The western medias announced that China had cut all information and that articles about the riots could not be sent out! I got mad about all the apparently incorrect information and wrote this article and two other similar ones although I am not a journalist but just because I could not stand all the bad things about China that was told. I sent them by e-mail without problems and they arrived well but two newspapers did neither respond neither publish what I had written. The third answered and wanted a shorter version that was published many days later as a normal 'readers voice'. What Dalai Lama had said was largely published every day together with a real anti-China propaganda. What I had written was apparently too China friendly for the 'free press'."

  I was very shocked by what I had seen in the television and been reading in China daily about the riots in Lhasa. The most that shocked me was anyhow may be not the cruel events by themselves but how the medias in my country of origin, Finland, reported the events. A friend has scanned and sent me articles and I have checked also myself what can be found at Internet.

  Very few Finnish people have ever visited Tibet, but I was there together with my wife in 2006. This was private persons and not as a part of a group-travel. I have seen Lhasa with my own eyes. I have been talking and chatting with people there. This was without any restrictions. Okay, we had a lovely and very competent guide that helped us much and took us where we wanted to go in the mornings but in the afternoons we were alone. Therefore I think that I have something to tell.

  I am also interested in history and know more than people in general. When writing this, I do not have any reference books so I write out of my memory. If I do a small mistake somewhere, I beg your pardon. Anyhow, I think that this gives my writing an objectivity. I am well aware of that I will be accused for this and that for writing what I think is the truth. I will be accused by those who think that they know but do not know and by those that haven't seen by their own eyes.

  Tibet was for centuries an autonomous concordat between Nepal and China. Sometimes China ruled Nepal as well. The king of Tibet used therefore to have one Chinese wife and one Nepalese and then a number of Tibetan ones.

  With the fifth Dalai Lama, the religious and the political power were unified under the rule of one person, The Dalai Lama. Tibet became a theocratic dictatorship and closed itself for the rest of the world. No foreigners were anymore allowed in.

  At the end of the nineteenth century, the famous Swedish traveller Sven Hedin made an attempt to reach Lhasa but was sent politely back, out of Tibet by Dalai Lama.

  A French woman, Alexandra David-Néel was more successful. She visited Lhasa dressed as a Tibetan pilgrim and she was fluent in the Tibetan language. She told how she was afraid many times that she should be discovered and then she knew that she like other suspects or opponents should "happen to fall down" from the walls of the Potala palace.

  Tibet was not a paradise. Tibet was an inhuman dictatorship!

  The weakened Chinese Qing Dynasty had more and more lost its influence in Tibet. Tibet became more and more interesting for the Russian empire in the north and the British in the south.

  In 1903 a British army expedition directed by the colonel Younghusband reached Lhasa. The British lost 4 soldiers but slaughtered more the 700 Tibetans that tryed to stop them, mainly by magic. The British installed "a commercial representation" in Lhasa. The Chinese evacuated Dalai Lama to the Qinghai plateau where he hade limited rights of move, probably for preventing him from having contacts with the British occupants.

  The Finnish national hero, Marshal Mannerheim, visited him there in 1907 during his famous horseback trip through central Asia. He was then a colonel in the Tsar Russian army and his trip was in reality a spy trip. Therefore the 13th Dalai Lama was interesting.

  The power of Dalai Lama was weakened. In 1950 the PLA marched in to Tibet without war. The 14th Dalai Lama seems at the beginning to have accepted this just as a security for his power as the theocratic dictator he was. He enlarged and restructured the Norbulingka Summer Palace in a luxury way in 1954.

  The Chinese decided anyhow to finish with the cruel theocratic dictatorship under which the opponents fell down from Potala. The borders where during this dictatorship closed for all foreigners and the only schools where the religious ones. It is well known that it is easier to rule a population with a low education and is ignoring the outside world. In Tibet, about 5% of the population owned everything and the rest literally nothing. About 40% of the Tibetans were monks and nuns living as parasites on the rest of the population that had to feed them. Tibet was not a paradise!

  Now China decided that the Tibetans should have the same rights and place in the society as the rest of the country's population. The monasteries should be emptied from their excessively large monk and nun populations.

  Tibet could earlier be reached only by some horse trails and was for the rest insulated. The Chinese built rapidly a trafficable road. The insulation was broken.

  In 1959, the young Dalai Lama caused a peoples upraising, using the religion as power since he was loosing his own powerful position. The upraising was however stopped, may be in not a too clever and smooth manner. Dalai Lama then left Tibet and his fellow citizens and escaped to India wherefrom he has continued to fight for his come back and reinstall the theocratic dictatorship that China will never allow again.

  Then followed the ten years of Cultural Revolution that was an unhappy time for all China that closed itself to the rest of the world.

  Now Lhasa has a modern airport and a railway. China has invested a lot in Tibet. The standard of living has been raised a lot in Tibet and last Xmas I have seen Tibetans spending sun-holidays on Hainan Island! Very lucky looking old women in traditional dresses walking on the beach with their husbands and the youngsters dressed like other young people enjoying the beach life.

  The possibilities for Dalai Lama to take back his power has diminished and he does not anymore have the population with him. China and India are developing their cooperation and with the closer friendship, India will for sure also not more admit Dalai Lama to disturb this development. His possibilities to act against China will be diminished.

  Therefore he undertook recently an around the world diplomatic travel since he has seen the possibility of harming the now good international image of China and provoking boycotts of the Olympic games in Beijing.

  The Lhasa riots where very well prepared. Curriers where crossing the borders illegally for to see Dalai Lama and get his orders. A group of foreign mountain climbers filmed recently across the border an unlucky incident when one of these curriers got shot and another that crossed the border openly declared that he wanted to go to see the Dalai Lama. I have seen that in television just before I left for China in November.

  China is no longer a closed country. There is no need for illegal border crossings if you are not doing something illegally! You just ask for a passport and take the necessary visas and cross the border at a legal border crossing or better, just take a regular flight from Lhasa to Kathmandu!

  There where no peaceful demonstrations in Lhasa that where brutally knocked down! Young men went to action after a well prepared scenario at many places at the same time so that police and fire brigade should be taken by surprise and unable to act everywhere at the same time. This was successful! People where just knocked down without differences and all what could be broken was broken in the shortest possible time. With Molotov cocktails, fires where lit and fire cars where stopped. 18 normal citizens where killed without feelings and one police. The police had order to not respond with firearms for not being internationally blamed!

  When I have seen the filmed riots in television, my diagnosis was immediately clear. The scenario was the same that I had seen many times of organized riots in France since more the forty years of tight familiar contacts and 21 years of living there. The difference was only that less ordinary people seemed to take part in Lhasa. The rioters where surprisingly few but well organized! China's positive image in the world should be damaged!

  Dalai Lama is acting as the friendly and peaceful father. This is an old trick that also dictators like Hitler and Stalin used. I am not comparing him with them but he is acting like a demon when he tries to take back his power at any cost, not once caring for human lives and against Buddhistic non-violence principles. It was a try to do a coup d'ètat that failed. Now he is asking for international help for to stop the violence that he, himself had planned!

  When I visited Tibet in 2006, I was surprised by the relaxed atmosphere and the few policemen in Lhasa. All that I have seen were Tibetans. Not the Han-Chinese. The atmosphere was remarkably peaceful and gave a picture of general well living. There was no oppressed feeling like I had seen so many times in the Soviet Union and its satellites before all that non-human system collapsed. People in Lhasa where friendly and wanted to speak to me, mostly without success since I do not speak Chinese nor Tibetan but up and then somebody could speak some words in English. Their wish for contact was just out of normal curiosity towards the foreigners.

  I had heard that the religious life should been oppressed but it was flowering! I had also heard that so many Han Chinese where moved in that the Tibetans where now very few in Lhasa. I did however see much more Tibetans there. May be that the Han Chinese where hiding?

  The western medias announced that China had cut all information and that articles about the riots could not be sent out! I got mad about all the apparently incorrect information and wrote this article and two other similar ones although I am not a journalist but just because I could not stand all the bad things about China that was told. I sent them by e-mail without problems and they arrived well but two newspapers did neither respond neither publish what I had written. The third answered and wanted a shorter version that was published many days later as a normal "readers voice". What Dalai Lama had said was largely published every day together with a real anti-China propaganda. What I had written was apparently too China friendly for the "free press".

Chulo
04-07-2008, 11:09 AM
You can bring up any number of articles and people to support one or the others position, that does not change things for the greater aspect of the issue.
Do a search on this guy and notice that the main time he is mentioned is on Chinese sites....

instead of just brining in more crap, why dont you guys answer questions asked first?

muttbutt
04-07-2008, 11:25 AM
Fine,let's talk about Tibet again.
I don't care about Tibet*...or China*....I just had a feeling there would be tension in this thread, and I'm drawn in like a moth...




*+ yes yes, before it's said I know human right's freedom ect, but no, I'm sorry I just don't....if either ceased to exist tommorow...I still couldn't manage a mmmmh

Abbadon the Despoiler
04-07-2008, 11:30 AM
People around me have forgotten Tibet incident,Xinhua and CCTV focus on O Games,but I found so many people here focus on Tibet,How about Iraq?They have more problems than Tibet.

Maybe somebody want us to ignore Iraq?

no..dont change subject!
This thread is about CHina, Tibet and ignorance

gxpcl
07-29-2009, 05:29 AM
zhongguo xiang lai bu que han jian, dan shi hai hao wo men geng duo de chu min zu ying xiong!
wang zi zhong!

hulaku
07-29-2009, 05:35 AM
zhongguo xiang lai bu que han jian, dan shi hai hao wo men geng duo de chu min zu ying xiong!
wang zi zhong!

Use English you sexy boy.

The last post here was more than a year back.

Switek
07-29-2009, 06:05 AM
zhongguo xiang lai bu que han jian, dan shi hai hao wo men geng duo de chu min zu ying xiong!
wang zi zhong!Use English you sexy boy.

The last post here was more than a year back.


Don't bother ;) This is very "banable" thread and the newbie made two good reasons to be banned ...

Toolhead
07-29-2009, 06:11 AM
Hi!
I am not interested in what you think about. It is fact, CNN, BBC and many other western media often make these mistakes deliberately or in-deliberately. It is common. Everybody has some bias in his mind to some extent. Isn't there some bias in your minds towards China? Bias make you into blind.


lol thank you making my day.

gxpcl
07-29-2009, 06:27 AM
I think you know the meaning of it!
you are my favorite boy ever seen!
I appreciate you sincerely!
Do we have some relationship last life!

gxpcl
07-29-2009, 06:30 AM
Could you give me some hints?
I would appreciate you for you do that!
Give me some details! Ok?

hulaku
07-29-2009, 06:42 AM
I think you know the meaning of it!
you are my favorite boy ever seen!
I appreciate you sincerely!
Do we have some relationship last life!

Are you addressing me?

gxpcl
07-29-2009, 06:48 AM
yea, you are so clever!

hulaku
07-29-2009, 06:56 AM
gxpcl since you were addressing me i will answer


I think you know the meaning of it!
I cannot understand what you have written and it is the same case with a majority of people posting on this forum. It is an English language forum.

you are my favorite boy ever seen!
Are you a homo******?

I appreciate you sincerely!
For what?

Do we have some relationship last life!
Yes you were my b*tch.

gxpcl
07-29-2009, 07:12 AM
I cannot understand what you have written and it is the same case with a majority of people posting on this forum. It is an English language forum.

I mean there were, are and will be many chinese traitors(HanJian), while there also were, are and will be more chinese nationalist heroes!
Because you left a chinese message in my website, I thought you master chinese language!

Are you a homo******?

I am a ordinary hetero****** man!
I said that because of the message you left in my website!

For what?

For that you are too fool to a really really high degree, and I really really WuYu!

Yes you were my b*tch.

yes ? you were my b*t*h?

Oh, No!:roll::slap::bash:woot:fork:rofl:backhand::roll::oops:

hulaku
07-29-2009, 07:29 AM
I mean there were, are and will be many chinese traitors(HanJian), while there also were, are and will be more chinese nationalist heroes!

You are Chinese nationalist hero?

I am a ordinary hetero****** man! I said that because of the message you left in my website!
You are a gaylord cause the message I sent to you was sent to me by you in your earlier avatar as cdhcq when you were banned.

For that you are too fool to a really really high degree, and I really really WuYu!
Slap yourself for this one


yes ? you were my b*t*h?Oh, No!
Dont get your panties in a twist.

And stop writing in big bold red letters
More importantly start making sense

gxpcl
07-29-2009, 07:37 AM
Oh no! I am sorry! let's stop insulting each other!
Then if you can't agree with my opinons, you can criticize me!
I can't be called a hero, though I want to be one, but just a netizen!