Isreal planning amphipious assault ship

[moughoun]

The ship will be capable of carrying tanks, soldiers, helicopters, and UAVs for distances of up to 3,200 kilometers.

The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) are considering an initiative by Maj. Gen. Yedidia Ya'ari for the purchase of a 13,000-ton multi-purpose amphibious assault ship. The ship will be capable of carrying tanks, soldiers, helicopters, and unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) on missions at distances of up to 3,200 kilometers. “Defense News” says that the ship could change the strategic balance of forces in the region.
Those supporting the initiative say that the ship will extend the range of Israel’s power to the entire Middle East. Opponents say that the ship amounts to a small aircraft carrier, which will require the acquisition of a new fleet of vessels to protect and maintain it.

If a ship is built according to IDF specifications, it will have 115 sailors, and be capable of transporting 600 soldiers. It will dwarf the Israel Navy’s three largest current ships, which are 1,200-ton Saar 5 (Eilat) missile boats, each of which has a crew of 64 sailors.

”Defense News” says that Ya’ari believes that such a ship would revolutionize the IDF’s operational capabilities, enabling it to deliver large ground and support forces far in excess of its current tactically feasible ranges.

A senior IDF strategist told “Defense News” that the new amphibious ship would support the current operational concept, which centers around strategic penetration. “The idea is to identify the problem, send forces, solve the problem, and leave,” the source said. “We have no intention of occupying territory, but we also have no intention of ignoring problems liable to threaten our national security in the coming decades.”

If the IDF general staff approves the Ya’ari initiative, it will end the Saar 5 II plan, an initiative to build a new combat ship at a cost of $700 million-$1 billion, which has been in the planning stages for five years. Lockheed-Martin (NYSE: LMT) and Northrop Grumman (NYSE: NOC), which are interested in bidding in a future tender to build the planned ship, are currently preparing their initial bids for the project.

Published by Globes [online] - www.globes.co.il - on May 27, 2004

[Marmot1]

OK simple question... FOR WHAT?

[martinexsquaddie]

wtf
most of israli's enemys are no more than a stones throw away :(
bored of fighting arabs going to attack holland for a change :backhand:

[moughoun]

OK simple question... FOR WHAT?

That's the 64,000 dollor question isn't it p-)

[SOG]

OK simple question... FOR WHAT?


A senior IDF strategist told “Defense News” that the new amphibious ship would support the current operational concept, which centers around strategic penetration. “The idea is to identify the problem, send forces, solve the problem, and leave,” the source said. “We have no intention of occupying territory, but we also have no intention of ignoring problems liable to threaten our national security in the coming decades.”

simply a strategic measure of force projection if indeed it falls through. the capability may make others reconsider progression. why so many nukes and carriers? to make people think before they do. really, was it that hard to read?

[seruriermarshal]

Good news .

woot

[Moledet]

Stupid idea. Why do we need such a large ship? We can buy/build new APCs instead of throwing some more money away for a paranoid thinking of one General. If we won wars in the past without using amphebious attack we can win them again, we just need a better armor for our APCs, more tanks (even though we already have 4,000 tanks) and new attack helicopters. What benefit will we have if we will send soldiers inside APCs in a ship and when they will land the APCs will be destroyed?
Stupid idea.

[Angelino]

Maybe it is for export only? After all, Israel is a *major* exporter of arms around the world.

[Moledet]

Maybe it is for export only? After all, Israel is a *major* exporter of arms around the world.

Great, now we won't need to pay to FedEx.

I don't think that the IDF do weapons deliveries to other countries.

[Angelino]

I meant maybe they're planning to sell the ships to other countries, not use them to deliver weapons :D.

[fred_engles]

I meant maybe they're planning to sell the ships to other countries, not use them to deliver weapons :D.Israel doesn't have the capability to build any ship that large. They'd have to buy it (from America, or maybe Germany).

[Pille1234]

Does anyone really believe that? Why should Israel waste much money for a ship that couldn't be used in a real hostile area? Since Israel's navy is complete incapable of protecting it, it would make a big fat target only. A single amphibious assault ship doesn't do force projection. I guess there's only an israeli admiral talking about his dreams...

[786mine]

*rolling my eyes*

[martinexsquaddie]

they could attack holland they'd never expect that rofl

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

I meant maybe they're planning to sell the ships to other countries, not use them to deliver weapons :D.Israel doesn't have the capability to build any ship that large. They'd have to buy it (from America, or maybe Germany).
I believe that they do have the yards to construct this ship I just wonder why they want it.

[Mark Sman]

Alot of shipbuilders around the world could handle this project. It is not that big.

Still don't think it is a good idea. Israeli naval opperations are carried out in an area that can be supported by ground based Israeli air power.

It is too small for an escalated assault.

Force projection in the western Med? Still don't get it.

Still, ship concepts get announced all the tme and not built.

[SpikeATGM]

It a good idea to have Marine for IDF. How come it took Israel so long?

The american succeeded in diverting the Iraqi main force to the coastal area during the first Gulf War by misleading the Iraqi that an imminent amphibious assualt was coming. This made a easy entry for the main force at the border to go in.

In a war, even if Israel did not intend to attack from the sea, they can keep the enemy from guessing which way Israel will come in (the land or the sea) which is not a bad thing.

[Nizark]

ahahahah Iran would **** their collective pants if the IDF got a amphi ship. Maybe throw a dozen armed UAV's on it, and you got some serious firepower

[Javehn]

It a good idea to have Marine for IDF. How come it took Israel so long?

The american succeeded in diverting the Iraqi main force to the coastal area during the first Gulf War by misleading the Iraqi that an imminent amphibious assualt was coming. This made a easy entry for the main force at the border to go in.

In a war, even if Israel did not intend to attack from the sea, they can keep the enemy from guessing which way Israel will come in (the land or the sea) which is not a bad thing.

Well , we have an amphibios capability , and if i am not mistaken , IDF performed the last real combat marine landing under fire in history , in 1982 .

http://www.idf.il/navy/Editor/Images/natak4.jpg
http://www.idf.il/navy/Editor/Images/nagmash.jpg
http://www.easy-web.co.il/booknet/imgs/site/prod/115-1064b.jpg

To buy assault Amphibious ship was a proposition , to increase strategic depth and power projection because of the entering of Iran to he threat circle . The idea is heavily critisized .

[S'13]

An amphibios assault was also made by the IDF in 1969 as part of Operation Raviv.

Operation "Raviv"
On the night of the 8th of September, 1969, 6 tanks and 3 APC'S were loaded on 3 landing crafts at Ras-Soder in the Sinai peninsula. All of these were Egyptian tanks and APC'S which were captured by the IDF, this in order to confuse the Egyptians. The landing force was secured by Israeli naval boats and naval commandoes. The landing began at 03:37 am on the 9th of September, 1969, 40 kilometers south of the Egyptian city of Suez. Immediately the armored landing force advanced south and managed to advance for over 50 kilometers, while doing so the force wreaked havoc behind the Egyptian lines, attacking Egyptian guard points, radar stations, military vehicles and other military targets. In the operation a Soviet general was run over and killed while he was driving along the route the landing force was taking. After 10 hours the force was evacuated and returned home safely.

[AirZone]

Not to montion Givati brigade was planned to be a marine like force...

Anyway its better to spend some money on more Aczhrit APCS and better protection to the troops....

but mabye in the future we would need it, who knows :roll:

[Ian H]

ahahahah Iran would **** their collective pants if the IDF got a amphi ship. Maybe throw a dozen armed UAV's on it, and you got some serious firepower

Except that Iran is in the wrong direction, unless the IDF is going to send this ship right round the Saudi/Omani peninsula (don't know its real name), which is a long journey past at best ambivalent states, and which sacrifices any chance of a surprise attack, meaning the small force it could land would be in serious trouble.

[oldsoak]

A mobile supply dump that can flank an attack force moving up and down the coast ? Complete with medical facilities, loadsa electronics and the ability to hang around for a bit . Something like that could provide control for quite a sizeable force from safety out at sea plus its a platform from which to launch cruise missiles etc. Interesting times.

[duck]

But an amphibious assault group would need at least a few frigate-sized AA and ASW escorts to stay afloat. And maybe a submarine for enchanced protection. Btw, does anyone else see a developing pattern of joint operations with Turkey here? Holding Syria in check, securing sealanes in the Eastern Med etc. Would make sense to me...

[IDFM203]

they could attack holland they'd never expect that roflman what’s with your fixation with Holland, I mean it seems its only you :roll: .....no man we are after England and then Finland rofl rofl yes finland for sure :lol:


Holland we save for last p-)

Yep the Zionist takeover plans are right on schedule :lol:

Anyways like Javehn pointed out, in the 80’s the Givati unit was supposed to be like the U.S. Marines and they had amphibious assault ships etc.., but by the 90’s it become apparent that there simply wasn’t any need for that capability so it was disbanded (Givati remained but they become a regular infantry brigade and shed away its amphibious assault capabilities)

I guess if this would go ahead, it would signal that there is that need again.

I personally can see the need for it, however I just don’t see it as a priority NOW and I can see the money being used for other more IMO urgent things.

But anyways I will await for further news on this for me to finely pass full judgment on what exactly are the plans with this.

Shalom :D

[W(M)D]

Yep the Zionist takeover plans are right on schedule :lol:

As if there was any doubt on the issue!!

Givaati & amphibious assault - all it boiled down to was them dismounting from landing craft.
After rehearsals most competent infantry units can perform this task (sorry to any 'chatzilim' out there).

[alexjulian]

Invade Holland not a bad idea

Think of all the whores and drugs in Amsterdam....better than a dump like Jenin

[citizen-k]

A ship? what the hell are we going to do with a ****en ship?

I looks like a bad idea to me and I guess it will not be accomplished in the near future.

Although taking over Holland sounds like a good idea...as long as we will keep the Pink-Folyd coffee-shop in one piece. ;)

[citizen-k]

Invade Holland not a bad idea

Think of all the whores and drugs in Amsterdam....better than a dump like Jenin

Right!

A dutch history student is much better then a Palestinian suicidle lawyer!

[big80a2]

IMO this ship will be jused to penetrate parts of Lebannon if syria or hizbolla get bigger there.
and also to flank out egypt in case of attack.
Iran is no option I think.

well they can invade holland and destroy all these coffeshops down here... It really sucks so many guy's I have seen turned crazy :(

[oldsoak]

A ship? what the hell are we going to do with a f*** ship?

I looks like a bad idea to me and I guess it will not be accomplished in the near future.

Although taking over Holland sounds like a good idea...as long as we will keep the Pink-Folyd coffee-shop in one piece. ;)

...Dont destroy the breweries !!

[Sayeret]

Fred_Engles wrote:


Israel doesn't have the capability to build any ship that large. They'd have to buy it (from America, or maybe Germany).

If Israel can defeat three countries in six days then I'm pretty sure they can build a ship.

[Javehn]

Hehe , dude , i think you are over estimating our capabilities . :lol:

This ship is indeed a bad idea anyway .

[IDFM203]

Fred_Engles wrote:


Israel doesn't have the capability to build any ship that large. They'd have to buy it (from America, or maybe Germany).

If Israel can defeat three countries in six days then I'm pretty sure they can build a ship.hehe :D ok lets not get ahead of ourselves ;) . I agree with Javehn somewhat, for at present it doesn’t seem like we could, now that’s not to say we don’t have our own homegrown technology or know how on how to do it, but simply in general, ships are not the highest priority in our whole defense doctrine and well the funds and the infrastructure simply aren’t in place to build a ship of the size in that article.

Now if we made the effort I believe we could build the infrastructure for it but I just don’t see the need for it.

btw I think for a nation with the size of Israel, the Israeli shipyards and the ships it has made are very impressive in its own right.

ISRAEL SHIPYARDS LTD (http://www.israel-shipyards.com/)

I mean they did build amongst other ships, the Saar 4.5 (http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/naval/saar45/Saar45.html)

http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/naval/saar45/saar45_n.jpg
http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/naval/saar45/saar45_is1.jpg

Shalom :D