What is D.E.V.G.R.U.? [Archive]

actually in the military

07-07-2003, 09:25 PM

Naval special warfare development group. It used to be called seal team 6. Contrary to popular belief, (and i dont care what you've read) they do more than counter terrorism. they do everything associated with special warfare. how do i know? i was stationed at dam neck virgina at the navy and marine corps intelligence training center near virginia beach. devgru's compound is inside the dam neck base. don't worry about opsec here, this has all been out for public consumption for years. also, i worked with devgru overseas on a training exerxice. the rumors are true, civilian clothes medium length hair, etc. But, i want to stress to you who get all your info from books written by non operators, thay dont just do anti terror.

Duke

07-07-2003, 09:32 PM

...how do i know? i was stationed at dam neck virgina at the navy and marine corps intelligence training center near virginia beach. devgru's compound is inside the dam neck base. don't worry about opsec here, this has all been out for public consumption for years. also, i worked with devgru overseas on a training exerxice. the rumors are true, civilian clothes medium length hair, etc.
FUKING DUMB ASS MORON LIAR. I was stationed at Elmore (99 -01). Guess what? Dam Neck is on the FUKING beach in the city of Virginia Beach. Dam Neck is not a place. Its XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX navy base. Pop Quiz---Okay, dumbass what's off Ft Story, an Army base? Quick do a net search.

EDIT OPSEC

Duke

07-07-2003, 09:38 PM

You can PM me the answer.

actually in the military

07-07-2003, 11:28 PM

what is your problem dukie? i went to the navy and marine corp intelligence training center (NMITC) for my navy A school. its at dam neck virginia, in virginia beach. yes, we where on the beach. the devgru compound is within the base. everyone who went to IS A school or OS A school knows quite well that devgru is there. its a place you cant go to on the base unless you have clearance. i took the seal screening test there, and had a dive physical there. are you telling me i wasnt there for my school? where didi i go to school then? where did i take the screening test then? and where is devgru then? i thought for sure i went to school at NMITC. maybe the 4 months of A school and 6 months of C school was all a dream.

how to get into devgru. you have to do 2 operational deployments with a seal team (approx. 6-8 years) then you simply put in for it. those few selected after a long screening test will have to go through 6 months training at dam neck doing everything from running, swimming, shooting, you name it. after successful training and selection, you can be in devgru. once your in if you like it and do a good job you can pretty much stay there your whole career

GS10

07-07-2003, 11:34 PM

I was in VC-6 on the other end of the base, Sandbridge side. The Seals had the whole north side of the base, except the mags. Fort Story also had the cheapest smokes around, 9 bucks a carton.

Duke

07-08-2003, 05:05 PM

My problem is your bull**** post. For someone "in the military" your post contains numerous mistakes. And yes you're dreaming because you were never there. If you are who you say you are, then my question would have been very easy.

Zach R.

07-09-2003, 11:50 AM

A few of you may remember last March when my next door neighbor was playing that stupid trick about how you can't join Delta unless yer in the Army. Ironic if this guy turned out to be him too.

Zach R.

07-09-2003, 11:51 AM

And just the fact that he sounds like a 12 year old doesn't help him make a point either.

ComnGitMe

07-09-2003, 12:17 PM

well from the info I read on specialoperation.com he is right about the DEVGRU being stationed at dam neck and yes they do have their own section of the naval base just the same way thta delta has their own section at bragg and whether or not this guy was in the navy that i cant vouch for and duke why dont you try talking instead of yelling you sound like a moron and only GOD knows we have too many flaming idiots on this board as it is and screamin like an idiot isn't going to make this guy anymore intelligent nor is he going to recant anything he said most of the post i have seen from you are very intelligent and dead accurate posts so please stick with it your one of the few ppl I respect here

Bootneck

07-09-2003, 12:43 PM

Summers here, schools out, boards go to hell. But for you soliduss, I predict a little schooling to come.

ComnGitMe

07-09-2003, 12:56 PM

hey bootneck i dont know you and I haven't read any of your post but you sound like a **** rider and since i dont have time for those type of individuals i will make it a point o ignore you from now on

Sub_Zero

07-09-2003, 03:51 PM

DevGru, aka SEAL team 6, aka SEAL team "shh".

That's a little joke that the SEAL operatives say about DevGru, due to the highly secretive nature of the operations team.

As was said before, it's the Navy's anti-terrorist team, but it was originally SEAL team 6. SEAL team 6 was originally headed-up by Richard Marcinko, a big name in the SEAL community for his "Rogue Warrior" book series.

If you want to know more about DevGru, I highly recommend reading "The Real Team" by Richard Marcinko, it's part of the aforementioned "Rogue Warrior" book series. The book outlines how Six was formed and how it's evolved over the years, as well as giving profiles on some of the original members of the team, and some combat stories from their times in service. Truly, a very interesting read.

Hope you can find more info from the book!

Ghost 197319

07-09-2003, 05:24 PM

For the record "DevGru" is not real and ST6 was decommissioned in the 1960s. No mater what anyone tells you, their is no such thing. So get over it. :)

THEDUDE

07-09-2003, 07:54 PM

WTF Ghost? Where did youo get that information? I dont think their we even train any body for CT in the 60s. SEAL Team 6 became Devgru after Richard Marcinko wrote Rouge Warrioe and exposed the to the public...

Seraphim

07-09-2003, 07:57 PM

Just ignore what he says...obviously hes just trying to start something.

JiJoMacLE45

07-10-2003, 12:21 AM

Welcome back Chops, it just ain't the same w/o you.

Soliduss, you've been on this board less then two weeks and you've already managed to pick fights with some of the BTDTs. Take a hint from Bootneck and simmer down. Read the posts before you jump in and start tossin' insults around. And Duke's not yelling, he always has his amps set to 11.

actually in the military

07-11-2003, 12:51 PM

I'm not 12 idiot, and i was an IS in the navy stationed at dam neck. i will never post on this fantasy land board ever again. i thought some of you wanted some good info, but i guess i was wrong. 95% of everything posted here is from kids, wannabes, and military rejects. i have no place on this board. you guys ruin it for everyone. i have good information based on expirience that i would like to share, but not on this board.
i spent 8 years in the navy (4 as a seal), got out, put myself through college, joined the national guard, completed OCS, got into law school , just graduated, and now i am contemplating being a chopper pilot with the guard or maybe something else. i post some good info, and all i get is "you where never in the navy", "he writes like hes 12". i have a juris doctorate degree do you think i care about spelling on a damn board? anyways, dont bother replying to me because i will never be on this board again. this board is not for the serious! it is for looser, comic book reading, movie watching, no loads. most of the information given out here is from movies, books, and rumors. if you are a serious kid who actually wants to be an operator listen up: GET OFF THIS BOARD, QUIT SURFING THE NET AND WATCHING MOVIES, DONT LISTEN TO THESE LOOSERS, THE INFORMATION HERE IS TRASH, GO OUT IN THE REAL WORLD AND FIND GOOD INFORMATION, THEN GO FOR IT. i laugh at your posts talking about me. you guys messed up, there are kids here who want good information, but you professional net surfers who attack everyone screw it up for them. real operators laugh at this board. you guys are a joke aroud the operator community. a lot of the guys whose pictures are on this board see them and laugh as everyone posts what unit they are in, when you are all so wrong. real operators like myself, would like to help the info hungry kids, but you vets of the board who have nothing to do but post, keep serious people like myself off of here. check how many posts some of you have, you've spent half of your life on this board, and you talk like you know what goes on in the real world. think about it, how can you know so much when all you do is post on this board? remeber don't reply because i will never be on this looser board again.

Smoothie104

07-11-2003, 01:46 PM

Give us your name, BUD/s Class number, and the names of 2 other Graduates from your class.

Trident-za

07-11-2003, 01:58 PM

I have no idea whether this guy was ever in the military, let alone SEALs. Even if he wasn't, he makes a point. Plenty posts are made here by people who don't really have the "experience" in front-line (especially SF) units. I am sure of one thing: not one post has been made on this forum by a real, current operator - they don't have the time, and they don't need to stroke their ego's online. I am not an "operator", but I know one ex-Rhodesian SAS operator, one ex-Selous Scouts, one current 22 SAS operator and 2 ex-Recce operators. This is a serious abuse of stats, but not a single one of them would EVER consider coming to a forum like this to "share their experiences".

This obviosuly applies this this guy too. Even if this guy is bull****ting about his SEAL background, the fact remains that too many of the "experts" here don't know anything beyond books/movies/CNN. (There are plenty of guys with military experience, though. I wonder how many were actually REMFs?)

Seraphim

07-11-2003, 01:59 PM

Well thats a shame that hes not gonna come back and reply. I do agree at how stupid it is to argue about what unit and what gear the guy has.
:roll:

Duke

07-11-2003, 03:31 PM

i spent 8 years in the navy (4 as a seal).
SEALs have a five year obligation after graduating from BUD/S.

...dam neck base...
Never in my life have I heard that center by that name.

...put myself through college...
What were you too much of an idiot to apply for Tutition Assistance or sign up for the GI Bill.

...not one post has been made on this forum by a real, current operator...
Trident, I'm not an operator but be respect of the several that are here.

bro1

07-11-2003, 03:40 PM

Smoothie 104, who are you writing to? He said not to write, he would not check back. The dude does have a point, a lot of people on this board attack anyone or any picture and say they are fake. how could you know? This negative BS tends to make people not want to write. Lets just say for argument sake that an operator wanted to post (I know a lot of you say they don't have time, but I think they know how to use a computer. You do not know what every operator does and does not do!), everyone would attack the operator and say he is a fake. He would not have a chance on this board. A lot of people here post so much that after a while the names that keep popping up everyone treats as an expert.

Give the man a break. Act like adults.

bro1

07-11-2003, 03:52 PM

Duke you have problems. You have nothing better to do than to pick apart other peoples posts? You think you know something or anything about the people who post here. How could you? The posts could be from a 12 year old or George Bush himself, there would be no way of knowing for sure. The guy put Dam Neck base, and now based on that you KNOW he was not in the military? No logic. He wrote "put myself through college", and you assume he did not use assistance? You need to go to college and take critical thinking classes. The fact remains Duke, you can't know anything about the people on this board. You only think you can. You are one of the idiots he was talking about. How is it that you get all defensive at a dude saying 4 years. You are quick to point out the 5 year thing like you have been there or something. I see a pattern here, people like Duke jump all over everyone like he knows everything. You are not an operator, but you claim to have all the information in the world reguarding operators. Get a life

Duke

07-11-2003, 03:52 PM

bro1, you can tell a wannabe by their lack of military detail and jargon, and their civilian vagueness. Read me post above. Also, why should you give a break to a 12 year old who claims to be in the military. I have more respect for a Navy MS than a wannabe JD.

Duke

07-11-2003, 03:55 PM

Its obvious you're "actuallyinthemilitary". Why don't you shut the fvck up. A perfect example of the lack of military jargon: No one in the military says, "put myself through college", one would say MECEP, Seaman to Admiral, or GI BILL. Due to your lack of military experience you don't understand that.

bro1

07-11-2003, 04:00 PM

Again Duke you are not listening. You DO NOT KNOW THAT HE WAS NOT IN THE MILITARY! You say you know because of what he writes. So your logic is that what a person writes determines if they where in the military. What if someone scribbled incoherant babble that made no sense and sounded like a toddler was hitting the keys. You can not logically conclude that the scribbler was not in the military. You could be girl for all we know. there is nothing you could write to let anyone prove different. In fact, lets give your logic a try, prove you are not a girl. Even if you post a picture, it could be of your brother. I will say it again, you can not prove anything over the internet! Think before you type

Duke

07-11-2003, 04:08 PM

You're a fvcking moron. And though you may not prove much on discussion boards, you can make it a constructive environment for those who wish to learn and someday experience military life.

Read one of my early posts. This is why I am very sensitive about wannabes.

I come on this site to view the pics. I also belong to socnet, but the pics are too cool to pass up. Everyday I look to see for any new additions. When I view the pics, however, I get bugged by the wannabes saying they're this or that. Sometimes I write some jaded comment at some idiot espousing misinformation. Now I've had enough, my conscious would not let me not write this topic.

Military life varies particularly between the enlisted and officer personnel. I am an officer and this commission affords me many luxuries that the E-personnel do not have, such as financial. To me, most importantly, the enlisted crew are the backbone or the engine of the military, no not the tanks or the helos or the flag officers. Let me describe my experiences with military personnel and why it bugs me that so many of you claim to be in the military.

MILITARY PERSONNEL GO THROUGH MILES OF ****

Years ago, I remember when on a date at the Main Gate Theatre on a friday night seeing all the lonely squids and jarheads. At the movie theatre I saw about 20 or so lone people watching a movie--sitting there all alone laughing, some a thousand miles from home, For what?? About thousand dollars a month with allowances. I thought to myself "God how depressing."

One day, as a Marine Detachment Officer aboard the "Big Stick" I witnessed a humiliating dress down by a newly commissioned ensign on a seaman. He was just trying to make himself look good in front of us. The next day he did it again. The kid was in tears this time. And when you get dressed down all you can do is stay at attention and feel the spit fly. You know what Marine Seargents and Navy Chiefs use to do to butter bars like this? They take out a tampon smoother it with ketchup and tape it to your door to signify you must be on the rag.

Weeks after coming home from that cruise (that means a 6-month deployment) I went car shopping at Freedom Ford. Lo and behold guess who was there a chief from the TR. No he wasnt moonlighting as a carsalesman, but a janitor. I knew he had three kids and struggling to make ends meet. Taking a second job in the military is common among the enlisted people. It does make ends meet, but takes away from family time, even when you just came back from a cruise.

My point is not that wannabes claim they're a Ranger or Force Recon. Its that they dare to claim the title Solider/Marine/Airmen/Sailor. The pay sucks as does the lonliness and careerists assholes who seem to jump out behind every desk. Look, the job of the military is incredibly demanding, so dont come here and say you're a gunsmith Ranger or whatever.

Trident-za

07-11-2003, 04:13 PM

Duke

Trident, I'm not an operator but be respect of the several that are here.

I have enormous respect for real operators. But the incredible "negative reaction" to the average post on this forum makes me think that none of them are here. Do you honestly believe that a, for example, Delta operator is gonna get anything out of posting a message that says "F**k you , asshole - you don't know what you talking about!". Jesus - that kind of response is way too childess to come from an operator.

And, I stand by my opinion - these guys are too busy to be posting on this forum. They got real live operations going on all over the world - why the hell would they care about our opinions?

bro1

07-11-2003, 04:14 PM

Life according to Duke. He says he knows I am someone other than me. Also, here is the big one: If you say "put myself through college", according to Duke you can't be in the military. brilliant logic, you are so smart. I guess it is physiological, the military takes the portion of your brain that deals with speach and removes the capability to say those words. Try it, ask a person in the military to say it, they can't

How do you know Trident-Za is not right? He could be right that no operator has ever been on this board. You don't know that for sure. Highly unlikely, but again you or anyone else does not know. I better get off this board, 5 more posts and i will have no life like Duke (aka internet post expert)

bro1

07-11-2003, 04:23 PM

Duke,

Come on expert, prove your not a woman. Trident is right, what is with the negative response to everyone. You don't know who is in the military or who is not. Oh, I forgot, your a internet post expert. For someone in the military, you sure have a lot of time to post. maybe you are on maternity leave!

4 more posts and i become Duke!

Trident-za

07-11-2003, 04:24 PM

Why is so important that "real operators" frequent this forum? Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I though this board was created for people who are interested in military stuff to come post/look at photos. So what if no real Delta/Seal/Green Beret/SAS guy has been here to let us all know how right we are? This board has lots of good stuff - info/photos/opinions etc. etc - it is worth coming to even if no operators are here!

Smoothie104

07-11-2003, 08:29 PM

bro1

Who am I writing to? You....

"Actuallyinthemilitary" said he wouldn't be back. We all know its "you" who has returned to read the responses to your last post.

You joined today, have 5 posts, all in this thread, all defending a guy who said he wouldn't return.

Are we supposed to believe you are taking up an argument for some one you haven't met? C'mon...........

Congrats on your SEAL career and Law Degree! Before you get your rotary wing certification to fly Marine One, take some time to learn how to punctuate, and capitalize properly.

James

07-12-2003, 03:40 AM

I am a former USMC grunt. I put myself through college, with help from the GI Bill. Unfortunately, $900/mo wasn't enough to pay for school, rent, food, and bills, so I had to work part time as well.

I hope this doesn't invalidate my service, my honorable discharge, or cause anyone to accuse me of being a 12 y/o poseur.

bro1

07-12-2003, 10:51 AM

James,

I have never been in the military, but I too have "put myself through college." Good job bro, I know how hard it is. As for Smoothie, taking sides w/Duke and saying I am someone I am not is your call. I am a the son of a Viet Nam vet Marine, and this stuff interests me. I usually just check out new pictures and read some posts, but I had to chime in on Duke. I think that guy is full of Sh$%! He started to back track with the stupid comments he made about D.E.V.G.R.U.. He said "I have never heard it called that..." Thats a lot different than what he said to Actuallyinthemilitary. He called him a F ing moron and said there is no base in Dam Neck, Va. All the good special ops sites say that where they are at. By the way Smoothie don't take this wrong because I am not attacking you, I think you're cool, just watch you're logic. You could become Duke. You said if a new guy comes on the board w/just 5 posts it must be this other guy chicking the board.

kyote

07-12-2003, 06:06 PM

:| Counter-Terrorism - Actions taken in response to terrorist activities; or specific terrorist acts.
Anti-Terrorism - Measures taken to prevent terrorist acts against personnel or facilities.

Duke

07-12-2003, 07:00 PM

bro
http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?BFCat=&Pyt=Tmap&newFL=Use+Address+Below&addr=&csz=dam+neck%2C+va&Country=us&Get%A0Map=Get+Map
I am in the know. And you've tried to change the point that "actually..." is not actually not in the military. My point is that Dam Neck is not a town or a city. Anyone stationed there would know and wannabes donot . Other than Dam Neck we use another name. And now your idiotic posts claim I'm full of ****. Prove it...on the net...using semantics, fvck off.

steppingrazor

07-12-2003, 10:31 PM

ah guys, lets get back on track. why not submit all ur info on DevGru and let the one asking to decide which is false and not. i have read alot on the supposed topic but i wanna know more other than the senseless bickering that used-up three pages - i had a gud laf tho.

if you guys can provide info that the books and internet cant, dat wud be awesome. thanks. lets get back to the real question..."what is devgru?"

molly747

07-12-2003, 11:17 PM

I have never posted in the board before--I just enjoy reading everyone's comments. Some of you bicker like children (some of you probably ARE children). I can't help but laugh at the argument over the existence of DEVGRU and Dam Neck, VA. I am not in the military or by no means do I call myself a military expert (grew up in a very military family, though-- father, grandfathers, grandmother, aunts, uncles, etc). I did, however, come across this website. Maybe it can shed some light for some people...

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/facility/dam-neck.htm

ah guys, lets get back on track. why not submit all ur info on DevGru and let the one asking to decide which is false and not. i have read alot on the supposed topic but i wanna know more other than the senseless bickering that used-up three pages - i had a gud laf tho.

if you guys can provide info that the books and internet cant, dat wud be awesome. thanks. lets get back to the real question..."what is devgru?"

molly747

07-13-2003, 12:22 AM

Thanks for the welcome, Tane Angle! Yes, I am a 22 year old female. I was kind of worried about posting because there seem to be a lot of people (not all) who are act pretty rude. If they read something they disagree with, they're quick to call that person a "f--king fag" or something stupid. If you can't say it to a person's face, don't write it, it only causes more pointless postings full of "f--k you I was a SEAL", "my neighbor's cousin was in the Army, I'm an expert," blah blah blah. Grow up! I prefer to make constructive and informative comments. I'm thick-skinned, I can take whatever anyone throws at me. Besides, I have a very full life, so comments made on an internet board don't get me worked up!

Molly makes a good point. The think tanks(Jane's, FAS, Global Security, etc.) are usually pretty credible. They provide a very good base of facts, and their existence and business counts on the fact that they are accurate in their statements.

By the way, Molly, please pardon my asking, but judging from your boardname, may I ask if you are a woman? Women may be rare here, but are certainly very welcome. Well, for the most part(you might have to hit the dirt now and then to avoid the flying insults, regardless of gender). Woman or not, welcome aboard.

Duke

07-13-2003, 03:45 PM

...FCTCLANT Dam Neck...
Military installations have certain categories depending on its size and function. In the Navy Dept. we have Depots, such as USMC Recruit Depot San Diego, Shipyards like the Naval Shipyard Portsmouth, Bases (large instillations) as in Atlantic Command/JF Command ****ounced N-O-B or Norfolk Naval Base, others include Air Station--Cherry Point comes to mind. Another installation are Camps, used by both the Army and Marines to signify a small base, usually forward deployed like the old R & R Camp John Hay. And lastly there are CENTERS. Centers are training installations, as in Great Lakes or Fleet Combat Training Center, Atlantic.
My point is "Dam Neck Base" is a misnomer, only used by nonmilitary personnel. A bonafide military personnel would never confuse a Base with a Center. For example, Boots don't train at Great Lakes Base; or IS at Dam Neck BASE; or Marines landing at Center Rhino, instead of Camp Rhino.

07-14-2003, 03:22 AM

FUKING DUMB ASS MORON LIAR. I was stationed at Elmore (99 -01). Guess what? Dam Neck is on the FUKING beach in the city of Virginia Beach. Dam Neck is not a place. Its XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX navy base. Pop Quiz---Okay, dumbass what's off Ft Story, an Army base? Quick do a net search.

EDIT OPSEC

DAM NECK is a place if you are living there. And when I used to visit there it was referred to as Dam Neck. And just to let you know, the guy who was given a ration of crap and said he went to A and C school there. Well I believe him completely, hell I went to a course there at NMITC on DAM NECK. I also believe he screened there. And for all of you yay-hoos who start the twenty questions BS about which class a guy was in, listen up. If you aren't a grad then stand down and be happy somebody who actually knows something is posting on here. I read this board and just laugh at the amount of total cow excrement I see. 99% of this board is completely wrong. The 1% that is right is so right that it scares the hell out of me.

Come on people

07-18-2003, 01:08 PM

Duke is not in the military. He is a wanna be expert. Those of us in the real military don't go around using military lingo all the time. Duke is wrong, you can't tell if someone is in the military by how they type or talk. Duke, about Dam Neck, ask anyone in the military what they call the place they are stationed at and they will say the base. If people are out on the town and they want to go back to the place they are stationed, they will say "lets go back to the base." You are wrong Duke, no one in the military would say "lets go back to the depot" or "lets go back to the center" We call it a base. Duke, just look at GG's post. You are so wrong! Anyone who wants to be in the military needs to be careful reading this board. GG is right, this board is 99% crap. You want to know who the crap comes from? The experts of the board, the people who trash everyone else like Duke. The ones who attack everyone.