MOUT

[rangerone]

Does anyone know where the MOUT centers are in the US?

[Ryan94]

Is Ft. Polk not one? And is "ShugartGordon" also a Mout Traing centre?

Bye, Dave

[GearGod]

I just wonder how paintballers got to use a MOUT site:

http://www.warpig.com/paintball/recreational/mxs/2001/mi/gallery/index.shtml

Paintballers arent even as military as airsofters are. Wanna see how military an airsofter could get? Check out www.militarymorons.com

[littleranger]

Yeah, if anyone wants a pic of the Shugart-Gordon MOUT site email me. And there is a MOUT site at FT. Bragg. There are two now they just built another one i think.

[GearGod]

The news media(CNN/FOX/MSNBC etc.) always seems to have an overwhelming number of videos of MOUT sites and EVERYTHING! The question is, HOW THE HELL COULD WE GET THEM!?!?!?!?! Wish I had the money to get those videos from them, I bet theres an amount of money they woudl give into..... Besides that all we got is discovery/history channel videos on their websites

[rangerone]

Can the civilian population actually use a MOUT center? Just curious because after seeing those paintball pics, it would be fun for airsoft! :D

[Apogee]

Of course not. Thats like asking if everyone with a rifle can come out and use a military firing range. The military has much more important things to worry about (especially lately) then some paintballers or airsofters playing on their training site. Just my thoughts though...

[rangerone]

Then why were those paintballers playing on a MOUT center?!?!

[GearGod]

One has to consider, military infantry "work days" are 5 days a week and sometimes 4 days a week. THey dont "train" on sat-sun unless theyre actually fighting a war and even if they were they woudlnt use the MOUT site; they'd be deployed somewhere... But if paintballers can do it, Im sure anyone else could do it.. Be advised, it may take some tough negotiating and $$$$$MONEY$$$$$

Besides, if u wanted to play in a MOUT site bad enough you could just make the money and build yourself one hahaha

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Get a life. Just join the military and you will get all the training you will ever need.

[Apogee]

ok, sometimes units only traing 5 days a week. But often a unti will go to the field for 2 or 3 weeks at a time. In a block like that the until will most likely use the MOUT site.

[rangerone]

..., some people like me cannot join the military. I'm only 16. Airsoft the most realistic thing that I can get to actually being in the military right now so lay-off. :bash:

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Alright, but your time would be better spent playing sports or doing something more physical. Go out and play some football or basketball. If you want to be a stud (and I am assuming you do because you are on a spec op page) you got to be a stud long before you ever sign up. It does not matter how much you know about CQB,sniper rifles,or any other secret squirrel **** if you can not hang on the PT field you are going home.

[rangerone]

Trust me, I consider myself to be pretty in shape. I play basketball and baseball so don't give me that ****. Besides, Airsoft is more physical than you think, especially the milsims that I have done. I just got back from a weekend long milsim that required us to hike 10 miles with a 100 pound rucksack, through the foothills of the Ozarks in Missouri, to get to our AO. And while I may not know all of the tactics, which I definitely do not, I learn from the mistakes that I make. So **** you :fork: and God Bless America! ;)

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Looks like I hit a nerve.

[rangerone]

Yeah, you did. Don't go around telling people to "get a life" when you do not know what their life is like. It's like judging a book by its cover. ;)

[GearGod]

"Get a life. Just join the military and you will get all the training you will ever need"

Some people dont want to join. Some people(such as myself) only like the simulation aspect of it. Im the kinda person who simulate combat through airsoft, making military video games, movies etc. As good as joining the military sounds(I'd like to get into 75th RGR RGMT) the thought of potential injury questions whether its worthit

"Alright, but your time would be better spent playing sports or doing something more physical"

Although it would be good for cardio training, it certainly wouldnt prepare you for COMBAT: http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Quarters/2116/apft.htm

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Contrary to what you may want to believe the military will train you in the tactics you will need for COMBAT. So unless you guys are out there writing five paragraph orders, doing cross country land nav, humping with seventy pound packs, or otherwise being just being plain miserable you are just out in the woods playing with toy rifles.

[rangerone]

..., I have done all of the things that you have mentioned. I was pretty miserable by the end, but I realized that is what it will be like to do the real thing, and I feel like I'm ready to do so. The team that I am on has many military personnel once active, reserve and former, so we don't just go around in the woods shooting things. We put alot into our MilSims to make it as realistic as possible.

[Apogee]

As much as anyone trys to simulate combat, its never the same has hearing bullets wiz over your head. Now I'm sure rangerone's 'milsim's' are pretty cool, but I honestly doubt they do long-distance land navigation or put together operations orders. The part you see with airsoft is the sexier side of the whole deal. Not the pulling guard in a patrol base at 3 in the morning after 2 and a half hours of sleep in the last 3 days.

Oh yeah, and this guy Adam. You don't think the potential for injury is worth joining the military? If you feel this way then you'll have a very hard time embodying the Army value of selfless service. Putting a greater cause, ie the mission, the USA, before your own welfare. Just my thoughts.

[GearGod]

"Contrary to what you may want to believe the military will train you in the tactics you will need for COMBAT. So unless you guys are out there writing five paragraph orders, doing cross country land nav, humping with seventy pound packs, or otherwise being just being plain miserable you are just out in the woods playing with toy rifles"

What do you mean? I dont unerstand what you're trying to say.

"its never the same has hearing bullets wiz over your head"

Would you want to be in that situation? I dont. I'd rather be comfortable :)

"Now I'm sure rangerone's 'milsim's' are pretty cool, but I honestly doubt they do long-distance land navigation or put together operations orders"

Thats entirely possible to do. In fact, it has probably already been done. Ever heard of AIRSOFT? Visit the following websites: airsoftplayers.com airsoftzone.com combatenterprises.com cimmerians.com

"You don't think the potential for injury is worth joining the military?"

No I dont, Im sorry if this may sound cynical but I'd rather be a rich business guy making airsoft guns, fields, video games and movies heh

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This day is called the feast of Crispian:
He that outlives this day, and comes safe home,
Will stand a tip-toe when the day is named,
And rouse him at the name of Crispian.
He that shall live this day, and see old age,
Will yearly on the vigil feast his neighbours,
And say 'To-morrow is Saint Crispian:'
Then will he strip his sleeve and show his scars.
And say 'These wounds I had on Crispin's day.'
Old men forget: yet all shall be forgot,
But he'll remember with advantages
What feats he did that day: then shall our names.
Familiar in his mouth as household words
Harry the king, Bedford and Exeter,
Warwick and Talbot, Salisbury and Gloucester,
Be in their flowing cups freshly remember'd.
This story shall the good man teach his son;
And Crispin Crispian shall ne'er go by,
From this day to the ending of the world,
But we in it shall be remember'd;
We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother; be he ne'er so vile,
This day shall gentle his condition:
And gentlemen in England now a-bed
Shall think themselves accursed they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
That fought with us upon Saint Crispin's day.

[Apogee]

Damn right ... nothing like a little William Shakespear to drive a point across. And on that whole "I'd rather be confortable" deal. I think Orwell said it best:

"We sleep safely in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm". George Orwell

We'd all rather be comfortable, but its the honorable ones who volunteer and stand apost.

[rangerone]

I agree with you USMA_SCUBA about Adam. I also agree with the bullet part. Yeah, you do not have all the realistic sounds of war, but when you are out there for a day or so straight you begin to feel like its the real thing. And believe me, I have dome long distance land navigation in Airsoft. I have friends in the military and that used to be in the military so we do stuff as realistic as possible. PM me for more info that I don't want to disclose publicly.

[hood]

Well, there's also the other side of it. Those that can't go into the military because of things like asthma or giant eyeball or something. :) As someone who tried and wasn't able to, I seek whatever gets me closest to it whether it be with sites like this or video games etc. I think you guys were arguing points, but talking past each other. One talks of honor, one talks of enjoyment. He's not playing airsoft for the honor, but the enjoyment he gets out of a recreational activity. Obviously getting shot with a real bullet severely decreases the enjoyment factor. A video game buddy of mine said one day that we should check out some real guns and go to the firing range etc. I decided that I didn't want to have anything to do with real guns because I wanted to make a mental distinction between my recreational activities and reality. Since I wasn't going to be able to join the military, I wasn't going to go down that path at all because I wouldn't be able to go all the way. In the video game world there's a lot of talk about how realistic the games are getting. One military guy who was being interviewed about that idea of realism in games and dismissed it all and said "War without death is like *** without penetration." For some, the possibility of death is the whole reason they're doing it. For others, it's why they stick to MilSims. Both get equal levels of enjoyment out of it.

[Vance]

Why werent you able to join Hood?

[hood]

asthma... got 3/4 way through the recruitment call to the marine guy on the phone when he asked the basic questions about health problems. it was pretty sad. 2 of my friends joined after me and are successful marines at this point.

[Apogee]

I think there is a fundemental difference between not wanting to join up and trying to join up and becoming medically disqualified. Trying to join shows a willingness to serve. As the old saying goes, its the though that counts. I know how that goes, because i had to jump through hoops with DODMERB to get in.

Happy Friday

[GearGod]

"We'd all rather be comfortable, but its the honorable ones who volunteer and stand apost"

Yea I mean dont get me wrong thats probably the 2nd career/job/vocation thats on my mind and I MAY decide to join if lets say by the time im 33-34(enlistment age limit) and I dont have a comfortable income and im not married

"Yeah, you do not have all the realistic sounds of war"

Although Paintball, Airsoft, MILES, and Simunitions(IMHO) doesnt provide the "ultimate" in military simulations combat, I'm sure theres a weapon system thats more realistic than the above AND still being safe. It has to come to the point where its so real, that the only thing you dont get is REAL INJURIES via gunshots, grenades, etc.

"you begin to feel like its the real thing"

And why not? Hell, you could patrol the woods with real steel semiauto bushmaster M4s if you want, how real could it possibly get? Perhaps you were referring to the real possible threat of your squad walking into a life-threatening ambush with REAL enemies?

"I seek whatever gets me closest to it whether it be with sites like this or video games"

To me its(in order of realism) 1. Live fire exercises 2. MILES Combat 3. Simunitions Combat 4. Airsoft/Paintball Combat 5. PC Games i.e. Tom Clancy series, americas army, flashpoint? 6. Movies 7. Action Figures?!?!? HAHAHAHAHAHA. For the individual who wants the "military" experience but dont want the possibility of injury/death.. Theres always the above "simulations". I believe a career/business made out of the above would "kick @$$" hehehe

"I decided that I didn't want to have anything to do with real guns because I wanted to make a mental distinction between my recreational activities and reality"

Why not real guns? I want to be tactically proficient w/ the M4A1 probbaly the semiauto bushmaster one civilians can buy... Id attach some Aimpoint/Trijicon/Holographic sight to it... perhaps fire it with a night vision monocular on my helmet hehehe

You guys think military simulations can go mainstream as in "A SPORT"? Check out other "combat" sports like martial arts, boxing, wrestling, wrasling, paintball, etc. They're mainstream too

[Hooligan]

"Ever heard of AIRSOFT? Visit the following websites: airsoftplayers.com airsoftzone.com combatenterprises.com cimmerians.com

Ah, the same website (airsoftzone.com) that you were practically thrown off of for just this kind of exchange? It looks like you're right on track to take your reputation down the same way here AirsoftDude. You might want to tone it down.

[GearGod]

Hooligan: We'll see about that

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Maybe you should go here http://www.socnetcentral.com and see what they have to say about airsoft. They are real nice guys, right Hood?
by the way I was reading that whole exhange and I think they must of totally misconstrued what you wee trying to say because they really made something out of nothing.

[Chuck6d]

Back to the original question. There are many MOUT sites in the US. Some better then others. If the post has a Infantry division you can bet it has a MOUT site. Ft Polk (JRTC) and Ft Knox probably has the best. Special effects wise. Some MOUT sites even have sewer systems. Try walking through them. Not too fun being hunched over and all. Thank god no sewage in them. I don't know about civies being able to use them. I've only seen Law Enforcement. But if you want to find out if you can paintball or airsoft at one. It can never hurt to at least ask. I don't know if they would say yes. But at least you would find out .

[GearGod]

If you have the money and offer to make a donation I'm sure they MAY cooperate, if not.. You could always build your own MOUT site similar to that of challege park: http://www.challengepark.com/paint_fields.asp