The real face of China? Torture in today`s China

[Kampfbaer]

With the upcoming Olympic Games the world looks to China, but what is to be seen there. Big economic developments sure, but what about human rights?

The following links provide an answer to this (Warning graphic images!)

http://chinaview.wordpress.com/2007/03/29/list-of-china-modern-torture-methods-photo/

http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/asset/ASA17/004/2001/en/dom-ASA170042001en.html

http://clearharmony.net/articles/200409/21880.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/03/international/asia/03china.html

http://chinaview.wordpress.com/2007/04/20/torture-in-china-prison-a-tibetan-monk-tells-the-story/

http://freethoughts.wordpress.com/2007/12/18/torture-in-china-photos/

[Kak]

Seems like there's some pretty serious internet warfare going on.

And wow, a lot of the stuff in those links are extremely horrifying.

[Gulag]

I don't think something will really change... This whole China thing will last maybe few weeks after OG and then...nothing but status quo

[vinny_121_ND]

a lot of this is graphic. What's going on there is troubling to me.

[Kampfbaer]

I know, that not everything shown on the net can be taken at face value but the sheer volume of torture reports makes me shudder.

[Snoshi]

Is there an Internet war going on here?

[BugHunt]

Thanks you for the links Kampfbaer.

What goes on in those secret places to "undesirables", should be troubling to all mankind.

[Kampfbaer]

Is there an Internet war going on here?

I don´t want this to turn into a "war".

But in the light of current affairs, the human rights issue in China can´t be overlooked or ignored, although torture is surely just one of them.

[WKD]

China had it coming. Everytime I see some PRC official on television denouncing the protests in socialist-speak straight out of a show-trial my stomach turns. And everytime I see one of running around after the PRC sniffing for cash and not daring to criticise I want to vomit.

[Switek]

From my point of view, we now, have a remake from 1936 Olympic Games. Different scenography, the same shame...

[Createdeemcee]

Very Disturbing We need to cease all trades with them, they are becoming stronger daily as we are becoming weaker. I cant imagine a world that is dominated by commies.

[vinny_121_ND]

This will never end. China gov needs to recognize human rights before things can get better. China cannot expect to hope that the Olympic games will be a success knowing that torture is widespread to those who voice their opinion. Of course, everybody knows that ... except for the chinese government.

[Snoshi]

Very Disturbing We need to cease all trades with them, they are becoming stronger daily as we are becoming weaker. I cant imagine a world that is dominated by commies.

Are you crazy? Cease trading with China??..

[Switek]

Are you crazy? Cease trading with China??..


Very Disturbing We need to cease all trades with them, they are becoming stronger daily as we are becoming weaker. I cant imagine a world that is dominated by commies.

It's very complex issue... Very low price of labor force makes that China became main world producer of consumer goods for well being of the rest of the world (including poorest). It's impossible to live in current world boycotting products "Made in PRC". The fact we trade witch China should not change our attitude to our values. The problem is that companies are profit orientated and moral values are only present on PR materials. The ironic is that Chinese government believes that using this tactics would be able to buy everyone . Now they see how wrong they were.

[vinny_121_ND]

It's very complex issue... Very low price of labor force makes that China became main world producer of consumer goods for well being of the rest of the world (including poorest). It's impossible to live in current world boycotting products "Made in PRC". The fact we trade witch China should not change our attitude to our values. The problem is that companies are profit orientated and moral values are only present on PR materials. The ironic is that Chinese government believes that using this tactics would be able to buy everyone . Now they see how wrong they were.

Exactly. Everything we buy, like this keyboard I'm typing on is made in china. To boycott chinese goods would be removing everything you own in your house.

[SOG]

What goes on in those secret places to "undesirables", should be troubling to all mankind.

Nope. Not at all. I don't give a crap about China's human rights or what they do to people. If the Chinese on the whole are content to go about their daily lives without revolting then why should I care. Yeah, Tibet wants to be so free they are willing to... set some stuff and fire and walk around shouting. Come on, we see that level of protest in the suburb unrest in France.

Brutal. Not.

Well except for the monk who burned himself a while ago. Unlike the others he seemed willing to do something albeit questionable.

[vinny_121_ND]

Seriously, I'm glad PM Gordon brown is not coming to the opening ceremony. After looking at these pictures here (Graphic Warning, NSFW)
http://chinasupport.net/site.htm?page=buzz30 , I just can't see how athletes can go to these games.

[Loke-Gao-Zhu]

There are nothing such as human rights in Chinese history, so quit bashing Chinese with your "oh so great" western perspectives. Those photos were taken in rural Chinese areas, China is still a 3rd world country other than a few major cities. We will improve soon.

Does the US and Israel government (Nothing wrong with the soldiers who follow orders / or people there) have human rights for killing Palestinian and Iraqi civilians and destroying their homeland?

Beijing is a very modern and international city, just like Berlin in Nazi Germany during the 1936 olympics, so don't worry you won't see tortures in Beijing.

I hope the athletics would have a great time in Beijing.

[Eratosthenes]

There are nothing such as human rights in Chinese history

This is an excuse???:bash:

[Loke-Gao-Zhu]

This is an excuse???:bash:

after thousands years of monarch rule, a corrupted KMT government, and communist government, we can't become a "liberal" or "democratic" country within days

just like what gorbachev said "the Americans have established democracy for hundreds of years while the you guys expect us to establish it in a matter of years?"

[Eratosthenes]

after thousands years of monarch rule, a corrupted KMT government, and communist government, we can't become a "liberal" or "democratic" country within days

just like what gorbachev said "the Americans have established democracy for hundreds of years while the you guys expect us to establish it in a matter of years?"

We're not talking about democracy here - don't try to derail. This is about decent treatment of a population. If, indeed, there is no concept of this in Chinese history, then it says something about the Chinese people, and you are doing your cause no favours by highlighting it.

[vinny_121_ND]

just like what gorbachev said "the Americans have established democracy for hundreds of years while the you guys expect us to establish it in a matter of years?"

Noted. Just like Bush stated that democracy in iraq and afghanistan will take more years to develop. American style of democracy is still not perfect. But all this is still not an excuse for the human rights abuses regardless of your argument. China is lucky that the people they tortured didn't to violence and insurgency.

[Loke-Gao-Zhu]

Noted. Just like Bush stated that democracy in iraq and afghanistan will take more years to develop. American style of democracy is still not perfect. But all this is still not an excuse for the human rights abuses regardless of your argument. China is lucky that the people they tortured didn't to violence and insurgency.

China is not perfect too, having the Olympics hosted in China is a national pride, it has nothing to do with politics

[Hollis]

China is not perfect too, having the Olympics hosted in China is a national pride, it has nothing to do with politics


What was it the 1980 Olympics was Politicalized too....... what a loss.

I wish there was another solution or way to handle this.

[Laworkerbee]

after thousands years of monarch rule, a corrupted KMT government, and communist government, we can't become a "liberal" or "democratic" country within days

just like what gorbachev said "the Americans have established democracy for hundreds of years while the you guys expect us to establish it in a matter of years?"

This is one of the best explanations I have read from a Chinese poster yet, thank you.

[Semeru]

Frankly I'm annoyed at how politicized this whole thing has become.

The most ridiculous part is that I'm seeing people who stand up for China being labeled as "communist propaganda mouthpieces" as if we didn't learn enough about labeling people as pinkos simply for having a different opinion.

[Loke-Gao-Zhu]

This is one of the best explanations I have read from a Chinese poster yet, thank you.

lol 99% of the posts from MP members are sarcastic, we Chinese aren't sarcastic so it's hard for me to see if your post is a compliment or not. I hope you're the 1% of them.

[Hollis]

lol 99% of the posts from MP members are sarcastic, we Chinese aren't sarcastic so it's hard for me to see if your post is a compliment or not. I hope you're the 1% of them.


Loke, I believe he was very sincere. Your post is well written and well thought out. Actually you add to this forum in a positive manner with your post.

Maybe we all can actually work together to resolve problems and not add to them. I would like to see the Olympic games play how they are meant to be played, "To promote world peace and unity" rather than what happened in 1980 and during other events when it was used to make a political statements. Friends will do more for each other than opponents will.

[Laworkerbee]

Well said HOLLiS

[Loke-Gao-Zhu]

Loke, I believe he was very sincere. Your post is well written and well thought out. Actually you add to this forum in a positive manner with your post.

Maybe we all can actually work together to resolve problems and not add to them. I would like to see the Olympic games play how they are meant to be played, "To promote world peace and unity" rather than what happened in 1980 and during other events when it was used to make a political statements. Friends will do more for each other than opponents will.

The boycott of the Moscow Olympics ruined many dreams and achievements of American and western athletes who trained for years. We should not let politics intervene the sportsmanship and dreams of hard working olympic athletes.

[Laworkerbee]

I find it offensive that the flame is being attacked in such a way, athletes who have trained for years should not bear the brunt of these attacks, which I consider cowardly.

[Hellfish]

Beijing is a very modern and international city, just like Berlin in Nazi Germany during the 1936 olympics, so don't worry you won't see tortures in Beijing.


I don't know if this is faceplant worthy or just baffling.

[Mu-Meson]

I think the Russia Strong!1! and Balkan Flame Wars have a new rival.

[GlassHarp]

I love it how the PRC zealots all say "we Chinese" as if they possible could speak for the billion + people that live in the country. My experience is that young chinese can be sarcastic, and in general seem very much different than the older generation.

Can't say I know anything about torture in China, but I've seen some police at a trainstation beating an ethnic minority, no place like China for fun..:-(.....but anyway the foods really good.

[vinny_121_ND]

China is not perfect too, having the Olympics hosted in China is a national pride, it has nothing to do with politics

There's no excuse in human rights abuses just because the politics aren't perfect. It's not acceptable. China asked for the Olympics, knew the spotlight will be on them, and this is what happened. Sometimes telling western journalists you can't report this, you can't film this will receive more additional negative attention.

[TechPriest]

I love it how the PRC zealots all say "we Chinese" as if they possible could speak for the billion + people that live in the country. My experience is that young chinese can be sarcastic, and in general seem very much different than the older generation.

Can't say I know anything about torture in China, but I've seen some police at a trainstation beating an ethnic minority, no place like China for fun..:-(.....but anyway the foods really good.
Actually there is a lot of favour being a ethnic minority in china like people already posted thousands thousands times...employments, college entrance etc...

About human rights,i'd like to remind you that before *the evil commies* showed up, rich people could have their servants kept as slaves, torture is allowed and recognized as a usual way for enforcers to get infos from *suspect*, oh, before *evil commies* there wasn't *suspects* only criminals or not.

I'd like to say that is hard to have human rights kept well while the fundamental facilities are generally suck.

[GlassHarp]

Actually there is a lot of favour being a ethnic minority in china like people already posted thousands thousands times...employments, college entrance etc...

About human rights,i'd like to remind you that before *the evil commies* showed up, rich people could have their servants kept as slaves, torture is allowed and recognized as a usual way for enforcers to get infos from *suspect*, oh, before *evil commies* there wasn't *suspects* only criminals or not.

I'd like to say that is hard to have human rights kept well while the fundamental facilities are generally suck.

I am fully aware that there are policies that give special rights to minorities in China, as there are in many countries, that does not change the fact that your average hanzuren despise them and look down on them. I honestly had no idea what racism was until i lived in China.

[WKD]

Actually there is a lot of favour being a ethnic minority in china like people already posted thousands thousands times...employments, college entrance etc...

About human rights,i'd like to remind you that before *the evil commies* showed up, rich people could have their servants kept as slaves, torture is allowed and recognized as a usual way for enforcers to get infos from *suspect*, oh, before *evil commies* there wasn't *suspects* only criminals or not.

I'd like to say that is hard to have human rights kept well while the fundamental facilities are generally suck.

And it's better now how...?

One imperial dynasty replaced by another. Awesome.

[TechPriest]

I am fully aware that there are policies that give special rights to minorities in China, as there are in many countries, that does not change the fact that your average hanzuren despise them and look down on them. I honestly had no idea what racism was until i lived in China.
You read too much Imperial Hanism stuff dude.

But, for the sake of freedom speeches, currently we all have to endure some stupid a55es.

There are lots of minoirties in china but only a few have bad reps because of being related with crimes(faking beggery, theft,fraud,robbery,murdering,vandalism terroism etc). Most of minoirities are nice and good people,at least myself people around me don't look down upon them.

But be awared that some people from different provinces even look down each other as well. For example, some northerners refer southerners as sissie and other insulting names, while some southerners take northerners as barbaric impolite bullies etc.

The problem of all 'tis a lot, mainly is because of poor moral standard, and the tradition of regional discrimination dating back to warring states age.

[Kampfbaer]

I find it offensive that the flame is being attacked in such a way, athletes who have trained for years should not bear the brunt of these attacks, which I consider cowardly.

I find it offensive, that a symbol like the Olympic flame is again disgraced by a brutal and dictatorial regime!

I pity those of the western politicians, that do not speak up against human rights violations, torture, political imprisonment etc. in China.

The demonstrators deserve the highest respect as long as they demonstrate peacefully and harm no one. Fetching the flame to extinguish it seems like a good way to show the world how these Olympic Games mock the Olympic Idea.

[Switek]

What was it the 1980 Olympics was Politicalized too....... what a loss.

I wish there was another solution or way to handle this.

I think that 1980 is not good example to compare. For me we have much more similarities (with obvious limits of this comparison) with 1936 Summer Olympic Games in Berlin.

The idea was simple: Olympic Games were to make Nazi regime more friendly and foreseeable.

[Telmar]

I think that 1980 is not good example to compare. For me we have much more similarities (with obvious limits of this comparison) with 1936 Summer Olympic Games in Berlin.

The idea was simple: Olympic Games were to make Nazi regime more friendly and foreseeable.

That is more a consequence than a plan.

Nazis wanted to show the dominance of Germany and the Aryan race.

The Chinese also do not care about their friendly image. Their "power" image is what they are really looking for.

[Ghorkhali]

humanity in danger !

I hate torturing it kills a person in installments if China is so stubborn and powerful why don't they try mass killing of tibetens ..... for sake of humanity don't torture if u don't like any one just shoot him .....

[tusiki]

All proof of torture is fake.

If the proof are veritable. Why are your government so dumb ass?

[tbk107]

I find it offensive that the flame is being attacked in such a way, athletes who have trained for years should not bear the brunt of these attacks, which I consider cowardly.

I'll agree with that. The torch relay should have been allowed to proceed without demonstrators blocking the route, grabbing at the flame or trying to extinguish it. It is perfectly acceptable though, expected even, in our free societies for people to line the route with placards and banners well expressing their feelings on any number of issues they have with China. Whether that is Tibet, forced labor camps, re-education camps, Darfur, religious repression, political repression or any other number of issues.

China was looking forward to the Olympics as their coming out party so to speak; well they got it. All their dirt will be aired and re-aired as they have the spotlight they wanted on them. Their reaction and tone to the demonstrations could probably be used as a case study in how NOT to handle a PR disaster. Did they really expect people in the west to buy some of the sh*t they have been shoveling. Hell, silence on their part would have worked out better.

[meni0n]

I find it offensive, that a symbol like the Olympic flame is again disgraced by a brutal and dictatorial regime!

I pity those of the western politicians, that do not speak up against human rights violations, torture, political imprisonment etc. in China.

The demonstrators deserve the highest respect as long as they demonstrate peacefully and harm no one. Fetching the flame to extinguish it seems like a good way to show the world how these Olympic Games mock the Olympic Idea.

Runnin around grabbing at athletes doesn't deserve anything but a beatdown. It's the protesters that make the olympic games political, not the place they were chosen. There are way worse places in the world right now than China. Why is it that violent protests in Tibet ( burning down shops and beating ethnic chinese ) is considered peaceful by the protesters who, many of whom have nothing to do with Tibet, let alone know it's history. People protesting just for the sake of it and that's about it.

[KoTeMoRe]

From my point of view, we now, have a remake from 1936 Olympic Games. Different scenography, the same shame...

Wow I'm appalled. Any reference to human rights infringments by China in China is susceptible to stirr sh!t up at any moment, while two countries are currently invaded by those who claim to have the moral high ground.

Like...Now.

[Ghorkhali]

All proof of torture is fake.

If the proof are veritable. Why are your government so dumb ass?

proof are fake ! can u prove

[tusiki]

proof are fake ! can u prove
Well, can you prove your government is dumb ass?

[Ghorkhali]

Well, can you prove your government is dumb ass?

tusiki i really feel pitty over your condition ; grow up get life :backhand:

[tusiki]

tusiki i really feel pitty over your condition ; grow up get life :backhand:
:-( I think that your government is not a cowardly one.

[GlassHarp]

You read too much Imperial Hanism stuff dude.

But, for the sake of freedom speeches, currently we all have to endure some stupid a55es.

There are lots of minoirties in china but only a few have bad reps because of being related with crimes(faking beggery, theft,fraud,robbery,murdering,vandalism terroism etc). Most of minoirities are nice and good people,at least myself people around me don't look down upon them.

But be awared that some people from different provinces even look down each other as well. For example, some northerners refer southerners as sissie and other insulting names, while some southerners take northerners as barbaric impolite bullies etc.

The problem of all 'tis a lot, mainly is because of poor moral standard, and the tradition of regional discrimination dating back to warring states age.

I have not read anything, it is my experience from talking to people in china, of course not ALL are racist, maybe not even many are, but it is certainly much more prevalent than where I am from. Not saying its a bad thing, there may be every reason on earth to dislike uygers or tibetens.......

[Ghorkhali]

:-( I think that your government is not a cowardly one.

In my country govt represent ppl thereby u r right we are not coward but why are you after me ! u behave like commies

[Eztyga]

What goes on in those secret places to "undesirables", should be troubling to all mankind.

Why?

I couldn't care less how they choose to run their country. How does any of this affect my daily life? It doesn't make me later for work or increase the time it takes to get my morning coffee or change my pay. I certainly won't be embargoing any of their products if what they are offering is cheaper than the competition.

China has been doing this for several thousand years, the only thing that has really ever changed is the regimes running the country, the cultural hierarchy has never really altered.

[yydebox1]

In my country govt represent ppl thereby u r right we are not coward but why are you after me ! u behave like commies

So many commie here,but hey,It is not easy to be a commie in China.:bash:

[yydebox1]

Why?

I couldn't care less how they choose to run their country. How does any of this affect my daily life? It doesn't make me later for work or increase the time it takes to get my morning coffee or change my pay. I certainly won't be embargoing any of their products if what they are offering is cheaper than the competition.

China has been doing this for several thousand years, the only thing that has really ever changed is the regimes running the country, the cultural hierarchy has never really altered.
Nobody support torture in China,Chinese has been doing this for 5000 years,but nowadays people hate it.

[Ghorkhali]

Nobody support torture in China,Chinese has been doing this for 5000 years,but nowadays people hate it.
torture is not a new concept for west too, CIA ,FBI use water logging and other 3rd degree torture methods but China is targetting innocents at a large scale !

I fear to call this racial discrimination of hun chinese against tibetens

[gregoralex]

Nobody support torture in China,Chinese has been doing this for 5000 years,but nowadays people hate it.
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But I am pessimic,I get the impression that they like it,actually or psycalogically

[gregoralex]

From my own eyes,I have seen three times last month the securiti guards beat the ass out of some theft suspect,openly and crudely,I can see they just did this for fun,like by telling you that you can go now,and the moment you get up and go away,you get a flying kick back,,

[gregoralex]

And it not always because of some wrong behavior,sometimes its just because they dont like the way you pass before their eyes and you dont speak smartly.

[gregoralex]

The worst part of Chinese always is that if you get hated,you may not be directly attacked,you will be made irratated and doing some stupid,and then you are finished.

[Nephilim]

http://chanmaille.free.fr/JOPekin.gif

nough said

[TechPriest]

torture is not a new concept for west too, CIA ,FBI use water logging and other 3rd degree torture methods but China is targetting innocents at a large scale !

I fear to call this racial discrimination of hun chinese against tibetens
Huns had war with tibeten empire? Hell why i don't know about that!

torture is not a new concept for west too, CIA ,FBI use water logging and other 3rd degree torture methods but China is targetting innocents at a large scale !

The inquisiton, need i to remind you some history lessons?:|

[Ghorkhali]

Huns had war with tibeten empire? Hell why i don't know about that!


The inquisiton, need i to remind you some history lessons?:|

pardon :roll:

[TechPriest]

pardon :roll:
Surely you knew something about the witch hunters, feudal knights, and spanish conqusitdores and their ways. iron maiden(not that rock band), and stuff.

[Ghorkhali]

Surely you knew something about the witch hunters, feudal knights, and spanish conqusitdores and their ways. iron maiden(not that rock band), and stuff.
yup ! but y are u pointing them ?

[TechPriest]

yup ! but y are u pointing them ?
Means that western countries still have a lots of terrifying methods available. Don't think they haven't try those out!

Torture did exists in some place i don't deny it. In fact these are also reported in newspapers.

But there are also places that police had to *sneak in* in order to hostages kidnapped & sold by slavers in case a whole bunch of mob(consists of nearly every single man, woman & children possible from local residency) mop on them.

Plus, welcome to china, possibly the most diversed country the world have ever seen.

[Ghorkhali]

see I too admit every country of the world uses tool "torture" but I never heard any one torturing monks ! .....


Plus, welcome to china, possibly the most diversed country the world have ever seen.
surely I will love to visit China but not during rule of commies they can just shoot me for any stupid reason :-)

btw , Welcome to incredible India , surely the most diverse country the world have ever seen.... ( don't know what others think of it )

[TechPriest]

see I too admit every country of the world uses tool "torture" but I never heard any one torturing monks ! .....

surely I will love to visit China but not during rule of commies they can just shoot me for any stupid reason :-)

btw , Welcome to incredible India , surely the most diverse country the world have ever seen.... ( don't know what others think of it )
Haven't seen these photos due to da great firewall... But i know falun gong memebers make some cosplay torturing...

Why not visit china? It ain't that far from you. Make a handband with "i'm a laowai" on it could make you armour class+10 & spell resistence +100:)

[Ghorkhali]

Haven't seen these photos due to da great firewall... But i know falun gong memebers make some cosplay torturing...

Why not visit china? It ain't that far from you. Make a handband with "i'm a laowai" on it could make you armour class+10 & spell resistence +100:)

yup not tat far I live near Tibet border Moincer

good idea Chinese frequently shout out "Laowai"! to foreigners passing by, which may then be followed up with laughter and taunting.:bash:

[FIA_cn]

yup not tat far I live near Tibet border Moincer

good idea Chinese frequently shout out "Laowai"! to foreigners passing by, which may then be followed up with laughter and taunting.:bash:

who told you that?
have you ever experience that condition before?

actually people welcome you and willing to provide help when they consider you as a "Laowai".

[TechPriest]

yup not tat far I live near Tibet border Moincer

good idea Chinese frequently shout out "Laowai"! to foreigners passing by, which may then be followed up with laughter and taunting.:bash:
Most time people just being curious. Not a big deal anyway. Almost every foriegner i met in china complaint about 'tis.

[FIA_cn]

personally, I know a dude from German, and he's fluent in germany, french, english and Mandarin. when I asked him how do you feel about China, he replied he'd rather stay in China than go back to Germany, cuz China is changing fastly, everyday you can find there are new things pup out meanwhile Germany is well developed and kinda make he feel bored.

[Ghorkhali]

personally, I know a dude from German, and he's fluent in germany, french, english and Mandarin. when I asked him how do you feel about China, he replied he'd rather stay in China than go back to Germany, cuz China is changing fastly, everyday you can find there are new things pup out meanwhile Germany is well developed and kinda make he feel bored.
still not impressed I just want to visit that China who is ready to respect human values (but seems in next indo-china defence exercise i ll be there )

[FIA_cn]

still not impressed I just want to visit that China who is ready to respect human values (but seems in next indo-china defence exercise i ll be there )

dude, asking those who bashed China in this thread have they ever been in China, the answer 99% will be "no".

well someone may claim they know China very well due to his 70's east europe experience, believe it or not, judge by yourself.

[gregoralex]

personally, I know a dude from German, and he's fluent in germany, french, english and Mandarin. when I asked him how do you feel about China, he replied he'd rather stay in China than go back to Germany, cuz China is changing fastly, everyday you can find there are new things pup out meanwhile Germany is well developed and kinda make he feel bored.
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What new things that German loves? I think its just something unique way of life,And I bet as he is a German,it takes sometime for him to know what real life it is as a common Chinese.Otherwise he is just having a Chinese way to you,don't take it seriously.

[Bongopete]

All proof of torture is fake.

If the proof are veritable. Why are your government so dumb ass?


Ohhh so now you want to attack our government with name calling?

[gregoralex]

http://www.dezh.de/imghosting/1af612859ba69fc42ff719924ed45aba.jpg (http://www.dezh.de/#1af612859ba69fc42ff719924ed45aba.jpg)
http://www.dezh.de/imghosting/320529490555cda1c4bf60056201d1ae.jpg (http://www.dezh.de/#320529490555cda1c4bf60056201d1ae.jpg)

Yesterday afternoon,Apr.10th,Shenzhen,this woman was selling pineapple by a street,when the Urban Management Officers came up to confiscate her tricycle and take video of her,she suddenly grasp the cameraman's **** and almost bite it off.

[TechPriest]

That's something related with...torture?

surely it's painful.

[J-10]

Yesterday afternoon,Apr.10th,Shenzhen,this woman was selling pineapple by a street,when the Urban Management Officers came up to confiscate her tricycle and take video of her,she suddenly grasp the cameraman's **** and almost bite it off.

What's your opinion on the news?

http://news.163.com/08/0411/08/4981V9RD00011229.html

[gregoralex]

What's your opinion on the news?

http://news.163.com/08/0411/08/4981V9RD00011229.html

This is still just another case.I feel sympathtic with that woman, I think she has been psychologically tortured. The Chinese cities want a good outlook,but I have never seen so many so fierce conflicts between the city's management and small business people in any other countries.

[yydebox1]

This is still just another case.I feel sympathtic with that woman, I think she has been psychologically tortured. The Chinese cities want a good outlook,but I have never seen so many so fierce conflicts between the city's management and small business people in any other countries.
psychologically tortured?:cantbeli:Wordless.

[gregoralex]

psychologically tortured?:cantbeli:Wordless.
Can you see I was asked to tell my opinion.And could you tell me what is yours?

[J-10]

This is still just another case.I feel sympathtic with that woman, I think she has been psychologically tortured. The Chinese cities want a good outlook,but I have never seen so many so fierce conflicts between the city's management and small business people in any other countries.

The woman put her tricycle on the automobile road to sell pineapples, it's dangerous to herself, to other one who want to buy her pineapples. The woman sold on lawless site and hurt the law enforcement personnel. I think she has psychologically and bodily "tortured" the the law enforcement personnel.

[gregoralex]

The woman put her tricycle on the automobile road to sell pineapples, it's dangerous to herself, to other one who want to buy her pineapples. The woman sold on lawless site and hurt the law enforcement personnel. I think she has psychologically and bodily "tortured" the the law enforcement personnel.
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No one sell on the automobile road here,these people sell on the sidewalk.And where is the legal site for them? Even if they can afford to sell in a shop,people still like to buy outside for it is cheaper and closer. Can a shop sell cheaper? Never, to run a shop every office in various level such as Industrial and Commercial ,Tax,Higyene,Police,Local Secrurity,Fire Control, will keep an eye on you,you just got to be wise or you are closed.

[gregoralex]

And I havnt mentioned the rent for a shop,the best rent you can get at last has been folded several times,because again every relevant in charge will have a share.

[yydebox1]

Can you see I was asked to tell my opinion.And could you tell me what is yours?
Wordless...

[yydebox1]

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No one sell on the automobile road here,these people sell on the sidewalk.And where is the legal site for them? Even if they can afford to sell in a shop,people still like to buy outside for it is cheaper and closer. Can a shop sell cheaper? Never, to run a shop every office in various level such as Industrial and Commercial ,Tax,Higyene,Police,Local Secrurity,Fire Control, will keep an eye on you,you just got to be wise or you are closed.
Off topic.:roll:

[J-10]

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No one sell on the automobile road here,these people sell on the sidewalk.And where is the legal site for them? Even if they can afford to sell in a shop,people still like to buy outside for it is cheaper and closer. Can a shop sell cheaper? Never, to run a shop every office in various level such as Industrial and Commercial ,Tax,Higyene,Police,Local Secrurity,Fire Control, will keep an eye on you,you just got to be wise or you are closed.

But they are doing unfair competition to who sell in a shop or market, and almost all of them even have not a selling licence.

[gregoralex]

But they are doing unfair competition to who sell in a shop or market, and almost all of them even have not a selling licence.
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If fairplay for everyone,if,...no more such violence:

http://0375521.cn/blog/article.asp?id=450

[gregoralex]

yydebox1,are you the mod?

[tusiki]

Ohhh so now you want to attack our government with name calling?
:bash: I meant that your government wasn't dumb ass.

[J-10]

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If fairplay for everyone,if,...no more such violence:

http://0375521.cn/blog/article.asp?id=450

Yes, the "城管“ is infamous. I think it's bcause there are not a correlative law to regulate the popedom. I know Beijing city just passed a new "city manage law" in 2008.1.1. Thus now, in evening I see those peddleries are appear roadside again near the community I live in. By now I didn't hear the "城管" come again, maybe they fear to face a law charge if do “forcible" as before, so they lazy to "manage" them, I don't know. For me, I'm willing to buy goods from them, just convenient. http://www.jcrb.com/200801/ca672993.htm

[yydebox1]

yydebox1,are you the mod?
No,I am not.This is a thread about torture,not about something related to business.

Looks like you dont like that note,Ok,go ahead.:)

[Hollis]

gregoralex, from what I can determine, the lady who attacked the police was in the wrong. How ever you came up with the comment psychological torture is beyond me. If that is the best you can do, China has nothing to worry about.

In the states certain municipalities require sales licenses. For a number of reasons they are a good idea. Attacking a office of the law is appropriate when? Even in the states that women would be in Jail.

Emotionally based opinions don't fly in the long run and will only hurt your over all position. The pen is mightier than the sword when it well honed and sharpened with fact and reason.

Maybe before posting, think about how your views is read by others.

[gregoralex]

gregoralex, from what I can determine, the lady who attacked the police was in the wrong. How ever you came up with the comment psychological torture is beyond me. If that is the best you can do, China has nothing to worry about.

In the states certain municipalities require sales licenses. For a number of reasons they are a good idea. Attacking a office of the law is appropriate when? Even in the states that women would be in Jail.

Emotionally based opinions don't fly in the long run and will only hurt your over all position. The pen is mightier than the sword when it well honed and sharpened with fact and reason.

Maybe before posting, think about how your views is read by others.
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Great words I will keep in my mind.I am sorry HOLLis,I will do my best to get reason if I can't get the fact.

[gregoralex]

But they are doing unfair competition to who sell in a shop or market, and almost all of them even have not a selling licence.
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Last something I shouldnt forget to point out:

Who are those people doing legal business? Aren't many of them the relatives or friends of the officials and law enforcement officers? Yes,party member and public servant and police and military are not allowed to do business by law or discipline,but it doesnt prevent them from doing business in others' name.

[KillerBD]

http://pics.livejournal.com/twoflower/pic/0002e4dt/s640x480

[gregoralex]

I like this picture,so beautiful!

[Tempest]

I like this picture,so beautiful!

looks like the perfect storm

[gregoralex]

looks like the perfect storm

yeah,nothing we can do