Army Combat Shirt

[BadKarma26]

http://www.pmarmysurplus.com/assets/images/shirt2.jpg

Any of you guys have any experience with it or hear from your buds over there how well it works?

[NeverDown]

all is good except that stupid logo

[eq666]

UDP also sucks, would be great without logo and in CADPAT, finnish M05 or Multicam.

[boone]

No I don't. Nor do I know anyone that does. Sorry to be unable to help you.
Fixed for you.

[Ratamacue]

UDP also sucks, would be great without logo and in CADPAT, finnish M05 or Multicam.Thanks for your absolutely useless input.

[opiejr12]

My project for my Experimental Psychology class at USMA was to evaluate the Army Combat Shirt to see if it accomplished what the Army set out for it to accomplish.

The experiment that my partner and I designed tested the shirt on two aspects; 1) Thermoregulation, and 2) Comfort and Usability. For the first part, Thermoregulation, we found that the ACS actually reduced the rate at which the body's temperature increased. Thus, it helped the body thermoregulate better. For the second part, we let our combat oriented clubs wear the shirt around and give us feedback on it. We came up with different values used to quantify comfort and usability. We found that the ACS was preferred to wear rather than the regular ACUs. One special forces sergeant told us it was better than the CRYE top.

If you want more on the study, like how we quantified everything, or how the experiments were run, PM me. The study we did and the subsequent analysis of it won an award at the American Psychological Association Division 19/21 (Military Psychology) for best paper presentation. The department head of E-Psych stated that our research was "leading change at Natick Labs."

In my personal experience, the ACS is a good shirt. It is really comfortable to wear underneath the IBA. Yes, the logo is cheesy, but its unique to the Army. The collar is great, even though it may look restricted. It prevents chafing from the armored choke and collar on the IBA. The only complaint I had was that the sleeves were so tight, the hook-and-loop on the cuff was not needed.

[goat89]

The US Marines have something similiar right? Including the material used?

[Maine Finn]

My project for my Experimental Psychology class at USMA was to evaluate the Army Combat Shirt to see if it accomplished what the Army set out for it to accomplish.

The experiment that my partner and I designed tested the shirt on two aspects; 1) Thermoregulation, and 2) Comfort and Usability. For the first part, Thermoregulation, we found that the ACS actually reduced the rate at which the body's temperature increased. Thus, it helped the body thermoregulate better. For the second part, we let our combat oriented clubs wear the shirt around and give us feedback on it. We came up with different values used to quantify comfort and usability. We found that the ACS was preferred to wear rather than the regular ACUs. One special forces sergeant told us it was better than the CRYE top.

If you want more on the study, like how we quantified everything, or how the experiments were run, PM me. The study we did and the subsequent analysis of it won an award at the American Psychological Association Division 19/21 (Military Psychology) for best paper presentation. The department head of E-Psych stated that our research was "leading change at Natick Labs."

In my personal experience, the ACS is a good shirt. It is really comfortable to wear underneath the IBA. Yes, the logo is cheesy, but its unique to the Army. The collar is great, even though it may look restricted. It prevents chafing from the armored choke and collar on the IBA. The only complaint I had was that the sleeves were so tight, the hook-and-loop on the cuff was not needed.

Nice work, man. It does look like a good item to have.

Is it part of pre-mob issue or available on a by-purchase basis only?

[opiejr12]

The last I knew it was in the final test phases being issued to units to field test them in Iraq. It is scheduled to be fielded very soon, most likely to units either in theater or going to theater shortly.

The version that we tested was like version 2 or 3, they are now out with like version 6 or 7. Some of the features that the participants suggested be added to the shirt have been added on the later versions.

[dangerdan87]

I have like that, but in MARPAT

[-Church-]

I have like that, but in MARPAT

Never seen a combat shirt in marpat, got any pics ?

[Bohemoth]

The US Marines have something similiar right? Including the material used?
The Marines have FROG:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flame_resistant_organizational_gear

[goat89]

The Marines have FROG:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flame_resistant_organizational_gear
I specifically remember a pic in the Daily Pics thread showing a Female MArine wearing something similiar to the ACS, but in MARPAT. Can anyone find the pic?
UPDATE: Found it!

[simple jumper]

CADPAT version:
http://www.cpgear.com/default.asp?mn=1.19.56&f=pd&pid=604

[IDF_TANKER]

This collar on the shirt looks suffocating. Must be very annoying, especially at the high temperatures.

[Britboy]

The Brit and USMC ones appear to have zips on the collar to remedy that.

But wearing body armour etc I'd say you must already be crazily hot, and wearing it day-in day-out for 6-12 months, you'd be glad of the collar to save your neck rubbing away...

[dangerdan87]

Here's mine
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v37/ermey/101_1150.jpg
The collar on ours (USMC's) fold down like a regular collar. And the material breaths 10x better than anything else I've worn. The air cuts right through it, but is still strong enough for grunt work. When I wore it in Iraq, you stay pretty cool out when its hot (after you star sweating a little bit).

[goat89]

AT LAST! A person who uses it on the field! dangerdan! If you go back, stay vigilant!

[zonk]

I just got the latest army rapid field issue and they didn't include the shirt....hopefully we get issued it when we get to Iraq here in the next couple months

[Doe]

Ive got one very simmilar in Tan, if only i had a pic..

[Catch22]

The British UBACS is issued now also in temperate DPM

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/1685/f0002074jw6.th.jpg (http://img98.imageshack.us/my.php?image=f0002074jw6.jpg)

(Pic's shows a slightly customized issue version - velcro on the cuffs instead of buttons)

[-Church-]

Here's mine

The collar on ours (USMC's) fold down like a regular collar. And the material breaths 10x better than anything else I've worn. The air cuts right through it, but is still strong enough for grunt work. When I wore it in Iraq, you stay pretty cool out when its hot (after you star sweating a little bit).

Does it exist in Marpat Woodland ?

[Britboy]

Catch 22, I don't get it.

As I understand it, its for wear under Osprey. Osprey is only in the theatres, and theres no green-and-brown DPM cover for it - its for use in Iraq and Afghan.

If theres no Osprey outside of the Middle East, why a green-and-brown DPM top to go under it?

S'pose you could use it with CBA, but you just wear CBA over your t shirt and put your jacket over the top anyway.

Plus UK is not boiling hot (worse luck, wish we could get some decent sun here soonish!) so surely its not that major an issue anyway? Unless you pick the one day in the year we get sweltering sun to wear it, you're going to freeze, especially in places like Sennybridge!

Regards
BB

[stuntman]

Catch 22, I don't get it.

As I understand it, its for wear under Osprey. Osprey is only in the theatres, and theres no green-and-brown DPM cover for it - its for use in Iraq and Afghan.

If theres no Osprey outside of the Middle East, why a green-and-brown DPM top to go under it?

S'pose you could use it with CBA, but you just wear CBA over your t shirt and put your jacket over the top anyway.

Plus UK is not boiling hot (worse luck, wish we could get some decent sun here soonish!) so surely its not that major an issue anyway? Unless you pick the one day in the year we get sweltering sun to wear it, you're going to freeze, especially in places like Sennybridge!

Regards
BB

Well the UK will probably never be invaded so more likely it is for jungle ops..

[Doe]

Well the UK will probably never be invaded

We have no oil rofl

[Britboy]

But we don't have any Osprey for that anyway, all the sets are in Iraq and Afghan except for a few for training, as I understand it.

The new armour came because of a need to protect in those theatres. Not saying that it won't be needed elsewhere at some point in the future, but its not like everyone gets issued Osprey with their new kit when they join up or get to a unit, its specific theatre-only stuff. Rest of the time everyone has ECBA.

The exception may be if they decide that the threat faced in Iraq/Afghan is going to be the norm rather than the exception, and start issuing everyone Osprey all the time, replacing ECBA completely.

But I dont know if this is likely, since there are apparently 'plate carriers' on trial (hard plates but no soft filler, Prince Harry had one), so apparently Osprey isn't required all the time anyway, or at least there is ongoing development and trials etc.

I suppose what I'm trying to say is:

ECBA - for everyone
Osprey/plate carrier etc - specialised use in Middle East theatres

So are these green UBACS shirts issue then, or has someone cut the sleeves off a regular shirt and sewn them to a t shirt?

Because if its gen issue, that might show that they are planning to extend use of Osprey...?

Whereas if its not gen issue, someones just being a bit over-keen. Esp with the chevrons ...

[Britboy]

Okay I will try and say it more coherently:

I can see why the Americans have woodland UBACS tops since their Interceptor armour is the standard issue, desert or woodland.

Whereas Osprey is Middle East only (as I understand it), so why woodland DPM UBACS tops?

Unless they are planning to extend Osprey to everyone all the time, whatever theatre or even back in UK, or someone whos handy with a sewing machine has got busy...

[muttbutt]

It's been mentioned more then once on ARRSE that a new body armour system is being brought in for temperate service.....what that is, I have no idea.

[dangerdan87]

Does it exist in Marpat Woodland ?

I dont think so

[goat89]

I dont think so
Do you know what company produces it? IS is a commercial company of Marines own manufacturing support?

[dangerdan87]

Do you know what company produces it? IS is a commercial company of Marines own manufacturing support?

Honestly, I dont know. I never looked at the tags. I doubt you will see it for sale anytime soon. You might see one on ebay maybe. But you get these when you go to Iraq. Its kind of sentimental to us ;)

[The Count]

the frog stuff for the marines is built by crye-precision

[Catch22]

Ok, I'll try to put few things through.UBACS is a good idea, worn under a S95 assault vest, ECBA, Osprey or plate carrier - it just helps you to keep your body ventilated and breathing, thats the point. You can put on a smock as well, but reduce a breathabliity so its a choice to be made.

Generally when you wear any integrated armor stuff you'll find yourself longing for something that will transpire sweat and heat out - and that's the UBACs and other such garments are for (heck we even have such stuff under development in PL as well). Sooner or later you'll find out - for some work smocks rule, for other - the breathable "combat shirts" are the bee's knees. It all depends.

And honestly ECBA is a sub-standard protection level these days, expect Osprey in temperate, and it would still be less that Americans put in line these days.

[Britboy]

Yeh I've worn CBA over T shirt, then jacket over the top, then webbing on over that. Seems to be the best way to do it as you can still use all your jacket pockets. Had to wear CBA over a shirt a few times when it was too hot to go with jackets, and it was toss as you couldnt use the shirt pockets at all.

I've got no experience with UBACS or Osprey. I can definitely see why you'd want something like these new tops with Osprey on in the Middle East, must be bloody sweltering.

But over ECBA in UK? Just seems odd to me...

Anyway, I expect we will have to wait and see if there is new body armour as someone on this thread has referred to.

Regards
BB

PS: Can I just ask if that DPM top is yours, and if it is gen issue or a copy or homemade? As I'm just wondering if theres going to be a big shake up of body armour soon. Cheers.

[Doe]

The British UBACS is issued now also in temperate DPM

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/1685/f0002074jw6.th.jpg (http://img98.imageshack.us/my.php?image=f0002074jw6.jpg)

(Pic's shows a slightly customized issue version - velcro on the cuffs instead of buttons)

I thought the Temerate one isnt issue, its made by a civvi company and sold to cadets ect.

supposed to be almost identical to the dessie version, but has different velcro pockets...

[Catch22]

Can I just ask if that DPM top is yours, and if it is gen issue or a copy or homemade? As I'm just wondering if theres going to be a big shake up of body armour soon. Cheers.

No it isn't mine, just a certain lass from ACF. Judging by the labels I'd be expecting it's issue. See for yourself.

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/7359/f0002024iy1.th.jpg (http://img231.imageshack.us/my.php?image=f0002024iy1.jpg)
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/5852/f0002025oq8.th.jpg (http://img231.imageshack.us/my.php?image=f0002025oq8.jpg)
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/1525/f0002053xr1.th.jpg (http://img231.imageshack.us/my.php?image=f0002053xr1.jpg)

[Britboy]

Hmmm that does look official, esp the label on the bag it came in - does this mean that there will be a shake up of body armour and Osprey, or another new armour, in green-and-brown DPM?

The only thing that makes me think it might not be, is the bit on the laundry tag that says 'not flame retardent' - I thought the new togs like this were flame retardent to prevent flash burns from IEDs... so maybe it is civvi-made not issued.

Confused! S'pose we will have to wait and see...

:S

BB

[Catch22]

Nope, from what I gather UBAC's was never planned to be a flame-retardant garment, unlike USMC's FROG.

US Army ACS is a certain compromise - from what I remember its made with a mix of synthetic and natural yarns (cotton, viscoze, nylon), but kept in non-melting proportions. The whole FROG (Fire Resistant Operational Gear, including undergarments, balaclava, gloves, pants and combat shirt) system as it name says is made of non-melting, dry-burning, fire-retardant aramide fibers.

It all depends, though - when garment is worn under armor as it is designed, then the cordura outer shell of the vest takes on the thermal wave of the explosion. Nevertheless - coolmax may be possibly dangerous when stuck in a burning vehicle or similiar open-fire situation. UBACS is less a protective garment, rather a more comfortable "combat shirt" for use with body armor. It's sleeves are made of standard uniform fabric, the same that combat jacket is made of.

[Britboy]

O, never knew that. Ah well, every day is a learning day!

Thought the whole idea of these new tops were to be flame retardent as well as more comfy. :S

I can see how body armour and other kit could be enough in a flash burn type scenario like you describe. But I'd have thought the sleeves and collar would at least be flame retardent as they aren't going to be covered by the armour. Plus it'd be nice to know that wicking material isn't going to horribly melt all over my torso if it all goes a bit Pete Tong.

Maybe sticking with cotton t shirts isn't such a bad idea after all...

Regards
BB

[Britboy]

Aren't there spray-on or wash-in flame-retardent treatments you can get for clothing?

Or maybe it'd be a good idea to try and get one of those FROG tops and then swap the sleeves for ones off a shirt, that way at least the torso would be guaranteed flame retardent even against open flame that lasts longer than a couple of seconds...

Regards
BB

[Catch22]

Well, I hardly imagine spraying coolmax weave effectively with anything since it is in fact a spacer mesh, but I havent tried it, so it may work.

There were certain Borax-based solutions you could apply to the fabrics to give them some FR capabilities (it was used in pre-nomex era on flyers coveralls). But it washes off and needs reaplying. I cant tell how they affect brethability, IRR or other aspects - but there might be health issues since the borax is toxic in certain doses.

http://www.care2.com/greenliving/natural-nonpermanent-flame-retardant.html

[Catch22]

To be more correct with the FROG fabrics, since I had to have closer look at the set:

Pants: 44%cotton, 40%nylon, 16%aramide fibers
Shirt: 40% aramid,29% cotton,28% nylon, 3% other yarns (i'd expect spandex or something)

As for balaclava and undies for the Marine program - see here: http://www.potomacfieldgear.com/comersus/store/comersus_viewItem.asp?idProduct=482

[dave81]

Last year when I was still in Iraq, the SF detachment on our camp had tailored shirts like ACS, but made with regular tan DCUs and a black material (I'm guessing it was Nomex or something similar).

Side note: Those guys hardly ever wore ACUs; it was either DCUs or civilian clothes. I asked an SF Captain if ACU was an effective camouflage pattern at all, seeing as how none of them ever wore it, and he said, "Yeah it's not bad. It does its job."

I always wondered if he was thinking, "...Sucker!" as he drove away. I hope not.

[Rhodius3D]

Just throwing in an idea, If used in the Jungle with a battle vest it would be a good idea to have it in DPM. Am i mad to think this??

[James]

I dont think so

Crye makes a variety of these shirts as special issue items for specific organizations. I've seen them in desert MARPAT, desert and woodland (or whatever it's called) CADPAT, and the old DCU desert pattern.

[Mordecai]

... he said, "Yeah it's not bad. It does its job."

I always wondered if he was thinking, "...Sucker!" as he drove away. I hope not.

He was being a Quiet Professional (hopefully you took something away from the conversation) and not undermining the senior leadership's decision. He was also telling the truth (more or less). UCP does its intended job in Afghanistan and Iraq. It has its shortcomings but then again so did the BDU's and DCU's patterns/color choices. The ACU's had and some still have trouble with the quality but I hear thats being addressed.

SF, and SOF in general, play by a varying set of rules that isnt always transparent to troops in the conventional military. This sometimes causes friction with Joe trying to emulating SF and their commanders coming down on our guys because they dont understand why we have a different set of rules. Sometimes it behooves us to look like everyone else in the battlespace and at other times not... p-) It is all mission dependent which we will not be discussing. But I digress...

The ACS in theory is great. They are especially great (in BDU pattern of course) in the jungle (trust me) where you are always covered in sweat and its so humid you never dry. Having something to wick water away from your torso is really great. How the Army writes the regs for the usage and wear of the ACS is still to be seen...

Crip

[airborneinfantry86]

Any of you guys have any experience with it or hear from your buds over there how well it works?

I'm in the National Guard... I wont see these until the army comes up with something better. haha

I've heard good things tough.

I'm glad they put the army logo on it... just encase you forget what your serving in.

[wildheart]

Credit card at the ready Britbot :)

http://www.survivalaids.com/

Temperate DPM UBACS for the sum of £40 (ish)

Might buy one myself, even though i have no use for it p-)

[Britboy]

Cheers, but I'm sure I can find other priorities for splurging 40 quid on...

That said I just got some Karrimor cross trainers for 20 quid in Sports World the other day (thought it'd be better than paying 60 quid or such for a pair of Merrells or whatever) and an eyelet has fallen out already, so thats another 20 I'll be getting back shortly. Grrrr!!!!!

Regards
BB

[Royal]

No it isn't mine, just a certain lass from ACF. Judging by the labels I'd be expecting it's issue. See for yourself.

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/7359/f0002024iy1.th.jpg (http://img231.imageshack.us/my.php?image=f0002024iy1.jpg)
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/5852/f0002025oq8.th.jpg (http://img231.imageshack.us/my.php?image=f0002025oq8.jpg)
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/1525/f0002053xr1.th.jpg (http://img231.imageshack.us/my.php?image=f0002053xr1.jpg)

No DCTA tag or NSN - therefore not issued - at least not to green army.

[firemedic]

all is good except that stupid logo

That "stupid logo" happens to be the official army symbol. Thanks for being an asshat. Are you in the US Army? if not then STFU.

[kraut783]

It is a stupid logo and has no place on the ACS.

...I am in the Army and currently deployed.

[firemedic]

It is a stupid logo and has no place on the ACS.

...I am in the Army and currently deployed. Thats the lic. trademark for authorized army merchandise. Besides IBA will cover it up in the field. In any event, I respect your opinion. I'm currently at Gordon finishing up the nursing program. I'm attached to the 345th CSH as a 68W and will be deploying to Mosul in Dec. Stay safe down range.

[dave81]

It is a stupid logo and has no place on the ACS.

...I am in the Army and currently deployed.I agree.

I am a two-time Iraq deployee and I approve this message.

[ZoneOne]

If issued / purchased are you able to wear that in garrison or only while deployed / training w/ your IBA over it?

[hctalive]

My company got these issued to us. Only Smalls and Mediums were available at the time so I personally don't have mine yet but a couple guys here do. Everyone is being issued 2 at the moment. When they first started issuing them out couple of Curahee guys started wearing them around the FOB. CSM didn't like it so he declared that you can only wear it when actively wearing an IBA or IOTV. As far as being able to wear then back in Garrison, it'd probably be the same policy, only in the field when actively wearing body armor.

The guys say it feels great while wearing body armor but after a full day of sweating in them all the guys smell like rotten fish. I thought maybe it's because they're so new but a few of them said they already tried washing them several times. Maybe it needs a little more washing. Comfort level is high from what I've been told.

And the neck isn't as bad as it seems.

[James]

The guys say it feels great while wearing body armor but after a full day of sweating in them all the guys smell like rotten fish. I thought maybe it's because they're so new but a few of them said they already tried washing them several times. Maybe it needs a little more washing. Comfort level is high from what I've been told.

That is my experience with underarmor after sweating for a couple of hours under armor. Your own stank can make your eyes water.

[GAC]

I was just issued two of these shirts and it has to be the most uncomfortable thing i've ever worn. The only thing I partially like about these shirts is the chest area because it keeps you somewhat cool during the hot weather, other than that they suck. The elbows pads dont even stay positioned on your elbow, the sleeves make it feel like your wearing a wet suit, and the turtle neck just isnt needed. I've already cut off the sleeves mid way up my forearms, taken off the elbow pads, and cut off the turtle neck. Also the army logo has no place on the shirt, yeah I know they want us to look all "hooah" and **** but it just doesnt need to be there. Just my 2 cents.

[Hammer27]

I was just issued two of these shirts and it has to be the most uncomfortable thing i've ever worn. The only thing I partially like about these shirts is the chest area because it keeps you somewhat cool during the hot weather, other than that they suck. The elbows pads dont even stay positioned on your elbow, the sleeves make it feel like your wearing a wet suit, and the turtle neck just isnt needed. I've already cut off the sleeves mid way up my forearms, taken off the elbow pads, and cut off the turtle neck. Also the army logo has no place on the shirt, yeah I know they want us to look all "hooah" and **** but it just doesnt need to be there. Just my 2 cents.

Now, c'mon...tell us what you really thinkp-)

[Britboy]

That is my experience with underarmor after sweating for a couple of hours under armor. Your own stank can make your eyes water.

Too true... I don't know about UBACS or Underarmour, but I do know about Smelly Hellys!

But equally, you've got to love the smells too. Its like petrol station smells. Not nice, but yet strangely compelling.

Cheers
BB

[Hammer27]

Just my opinion but the logo is literally retarded. Whatever happened to just stamping "US" on the damn thing? The Marines just slap on the EG&A why can't the Army stick with something tried and true that doesn't look like it came off a dollar-store GI JOE knock-off?

[Britboy]

True, I'm not US Army, but that logo does seem a bit 'corporate team-building event t-shirt'-like. Doesn't the Army have a crest, with swords and lions and such?

Maybe you can try and scrub it off if its printed on like football shirt names.

[Ipkiss]

Time to update this old topic..

UBACS now also available in temperate DPM. And to be ahead of any questions on where to use it; for example Dutch forces are wearing temperate DPM in the greener parts of Uruzgan.

link
http://www.cadetdirect.com/order1.php?pg=1865

[Royal]

Time to update this old topic..

UBACS now also available in temperate DPM. And to be ahead of any questions on where to use it; for example Dutch forces are wearing temperate DPM in the greener parts of Uruzgan.

link
http://www.cadetdirect.com/order1.php?pg=1865

See comments on pg 3 and 4. It may well be to spec, but it certainly isnt issued.

[Sand Man]

http://www.pmarmysurplus.com/assets/images/shirt2.jpg

Any of you guys have any experience with it or hear from your buds over there how well it works?

The above pic looks different from this one or is it just me? :(

http://www.patriotguard.org/Portals/0/Pic%20of%20the%20Day/Patriot%20Gaurd%20Flag.jpg

[Frens]

the lower pic shows the newer version

[PvtPyle]

That "stupid logo" happens to be the official army symbol. Thanks for being an asshat. Are you in the US Army? if not then STFU.

Being Army as well, the logo, Hooya, Army of one and Army strong are some of the most embarassing and retarded things the US Army has done in decades. Their marketing firm should be fired and sent to Gitmo. What a bunch of morons. I just moved over to a new SOCCOM unit and it is filled with these kinds of people, big army soldiers that dont understand the way a SOCCOM unit works and tries to do PT with the extend to the right crap. And they are sooooooo hooya. (mumbles) gotta go back to an SF unit.....

Anyway, OT Tru-Spec is now putting out these shirts in ACU, Multicam (under licensing from Crye and to their specs) and Black for the Police. We should have the first proto-types in a few weeks and we will be tesing them on an upcoming deployment against the issued shirts for comfort and durability (ACU and the multicam) and a few other opportunities.

I will post a full review of those in case any civilians are interested as their retail price will be reasonable (comparably) and we will have the issue to compare against.

[Ipkiss]

Royal; I never stated that it's issued, so far I never could find the dpm version on the net.
Link on page 3 didn't lead me to it. (it does now)
Anyway, I contacted BCB (the manufacturer) and they stated thay only cadet direct manufactures it.

[zonk]

the ACS is awesome, haven't heard any complaints about it so far besides the huge cheesy ass logo on the front. I am all for the Army, have been doing this for 10+ years but for christ sake I feel like a damn sell out or advertising photo with this **** on. If anything, "Be All You Can Be" should be on there. If I wanted to sell the army I would wear this shirt for recruiting duty...if I am in combat and I have my IOTV on over the shirt, then why do I need this stupid logo on the shirt.

[GG]

I looked at v5.3 the other day. It hasn't been accepted yet by Army but so far the design is anything but static. All will be pleased to note that the Army of One logo is now gone.

[PvtPyle]

All will be pleased to note that the Army of One logo is now gone.

And a heart felt cheer goes out across the land! LOL!

[El Diablo Rojo]

Hooya,
Doesn't that go back to World War II?

[neowolfe]

its great to wear when its hot out

but it rips really easily and has a weird odor to it

[Frens]

I like that odor :oops: :oops: :oops:

[Eddie_uv777]

It does smell pretty bad. I wonder if Tru spec will be making it with the Mesh material or make it look like that silly ass chinese knock off

[Eddie_uv777]

And as far as the logo goes.

"ON 1 APR 08, THE ACS WAS APPROVED FOR FIELDING TO DEPLOYED SOLDIERS IN IRAQI, AFGHANISTAN, AND KUWAIT. CURRENTLY THE ACS HAS THE “ARMY STRONG” LOGO STENCILED ON THE FRONT OF THE SHIRT. IN THE NEAR FUTURE, THE “ARMY STRONG” LOGO WILL BE REMOVED, AS OTHER BRANCHES OF SERVICE WILL ALSO BE PURCHASING THE ACS FOR WEAR WITH BODY ARMOR. THE “TEAM SOLDIER CERTIFIED GEAR” LOGO WILL BE HEAT TRANSFERRED IN TO THE LABEL INSIDE OF THE SHIRT TO DEMONSTRATE AUTHENTICITY ONCE THE “ARMY STRONG” LOGO IS REMOVED."