Is there anyone who know about this picture

[konigstiger]

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I've seen that this trooper in the picture is not wearing ACU shirt.

I heard that only 75th ranger's trooper in iraq wears a shirt in that picture.

Do you know any inform about that shirt? I'm really curious. I think that shirt is some kind of NOMEX fabric, but i can't be sure about.

[flanker7]

It's propably part of the PCU system

[bertfivesix]

PCU Level 5

[Fergie]

A question for you americans: I've always wondered why these type of personnal (i.e marine recon, special forces, etc.) never wear helmet covers?

cheers

[Firefly26]

It's because they have to put extra attachments to their helmets due to mission requirements. It's more for neccessity than uniformity. It's much easier to stick velcro tape on than go to an alterations/seamstress shop and have a ton of velcro sewn on a cover.

[Corrupt]

Well I presume if you have a dark green helmet then a desert cover in iraq makes sense.
In woodland a dpm cover to make it slightly better camoflauged than plain green.

[Vince S]

Can anyone remind me of what the pros of wearing a cover on your helmet is?

I guess it's cheaper to issue a piece of fabric than cans of paint?

[ePhemere]

Can anyone remind me of what the pros of wearing a cover on your helmet is?

scratches, direct sunlight, etc. might be bad for the kevlar....

[LaoSexMachine]

scratches, direct sunlight, etc. might be bad for the kevlar....

Really ?

[konigstiger]

Thank you for answer!

[Crewdog]

Can anyone remind me of what the pros of wearing a cover on your helmet is?


Field expediant way of camoing your lid... when the covers came into being there were no hitech ways to dip a pot. A cover allows you to camo your helmet like your uniform.

Also helps cut down on the reflectiveness when it gets worn from use.

[Britboy]

Yeh, I can imagine a wet helmet on a moonlit night would be a bit toss, imagine all the shine. May have been more of a steel helmet thing but I think its right to carry on wearing helmet covers. Brit helmet covers have straps all over them so you can fix in vegetation to cam yourself up.

However, the Royal Navy does not use helmet covers onboard ship, so there we are.

I'd be a little wary of paint, maybe its just me being overcautious, but is there anyway it could degrade the material at all?

I understand US troops were issued a plastic helmet cover for use in NBC environment (this might have been 'back in the day') - not sure if this was meant to protect your helmet from degradation - some chemical agents can mess up your respirator's rubber given enough time, I've heard, so they are definitely nasty things against plastics as well as people.

Regards
BB

[Crewdog]

The rubber cover was meant to aid in decontamination. Much easier to take the cover off than decon the whole thing. I wonder if they would even let you take it in a shelter with you. I never got that far in NBC training.

[Britboy]

Ahh gotcha - yeh I'm pretty sure you've got to leave contaminated stuff outside, wouldnt make much sense to have vapours coming off any kit you brought in with you. Didn't realise it was an aid to decon, thought it was something about what happened to plastics...

Although you still have your chinstrap exposed to chemical agent, thats not good. But I expect theres no way to really deal with that except leave your suit hood up to act as a barrier or get a new strap...

Regards
BB

[Waterman]

The jacket looks like the one Patagonia made as a component of the MARS clothing system. I think it was called the Slingshot soft shell (level 4).

I picked one up through Patagonia's website on sale about a year ago (there is a special section for overstock of stuff that is made as special purchase items that is only available for their professional users to shop).

Nice jacket, but I do not wear it much living in a tropical climate.


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[Doe]

Covers are simply there to 'cover' your helmet in a camoflaged material..

[BrianT]

That guy must be the most high speed mother****er known to man. This is like the second post in the last month using that pic asking what gear he has on. You guys would probably **** yourselfs if you saw Delta all g-ed out.

[dave81]

I just sh t myself from you saying that.

[Catch22]

Israelis would rather disagree with you arc.

I'd say it all depends - there are just few hi-tec helmet covers, most of them are old and not quite up to date with all the gizmos that are attached to the lids these days - NVG mounts, lights, IR/IFF markings, strobes etc. From technical point of view - a cover , preferably made of some strong material is a reasonable protection from mechanical damage - scratches, dents etc which damage the outer protective paint and possbly may damage some kevlar layers underneath.

Helmet covers play their vital part in Land Warrior system elements as well - because the cover and protect all the wiring of the display and commo systems - from dust, rain etc. Most "future warrior" in other countries these days use some helmet cover just to protect the stuff.

I can see a point in getting rid of your typical helmet cover and painting it to match the AO, but - I'd rather use a good helmet (possibly cordura not uniform fabric) cover with some gizmos sewn into it (I can always paint it too for better camouflage).

[Jippo]

Lid covers are definately in this season. :)

http://tietokannat.mil.fi/paiste07/include/thumbnail.php?id=197&width=640

http://tietokannat.mil.fi/peura07/include/thumbnail.php?id=275&width=640

It may not be apparent fighting the hadjis in Bagdad, but they offer more NIR and TIR protection for the fighter. Added to that, should you end up in artillery barrage they have a certain protection value also in the woods.

[kraut783]

There are helmet covers so CSM's won't have heart attacks from seeing all of the personal painted helmets :)

[JC0352]

Helmet covers are grunt-proof because you know some people just can't be trusted with a can of spraypaint :) One of my Marines would've probably painted his flak and rifle (bolt and all) if I would've given him a can of spraypaint

[BumpkinBoy]

Can anyone remind me of what the pros of wearing a cover on your helmet is?

I have been told by varient W.O.2's back home that direct sunlight, over time, can compromise the integrity of the helment. Hence why a cam cover is prefered. Obviously it also helps to cam the helmet I guess, not that its THAT major an issue considering the helmets now days are usually tan or green to begin with anyway, and unless you are operating in more dense terrain, cam on the helmet wouldn't make much of a difference.

Because unlike the thing the Isreali's use (sorry dunno the name of it) it doesn't break up the shape outline.

So yeah, my understanding is that the helmet cover offers better protection for your helmet in the long run. Mind you I am guessing that it would take years of direct expsoure to sunlight or something to occur as a problem?

[GoSka37]

Very few people know that Kevlar is really made of hundreds of layers of compressed chocolate. That is why they don't work very well in the desert sunlight and intense heat. :)

Not only does it provide great protection to your head, but it also doubles as a yummy snack after a battle!

[Britboy]

The Israeli unusual helmet cover is the mitznefet, or clowns hat I think.

I think its a good idea, certainly makes them look non-helmety.

They also have a mesh oversuit, big and baggy. Overall I think it gives a ghillie-suit-like effect, but more for deserts than temperate places.

Could be pretty effective in the Middle East at the mo I wouldnt wonder...