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J-10
05-28-2004, 04:19 AM
(China Daily)
Updated: 2004-05-27 23:40

China proposed Thursday major amendments to the US-British draft resolution on Iraq, calling for a time limit on the stay of the US-led multinational force as well as a say by Iraqis on its operation after power is transferred to a new Iraqi Government on June 30.

In a three-page paper, China said that the multinational force's mandate should expire in January 2005 in keeping with the timetable of Iraqi political process, and its extension should have the consent of the new Iraqi Government and be decided by the United Nations (UN) Security Council.

The paper, circulated before closed-door consultations of the 15-nation council, also calls for the establishment of a consultation mechanism between the force, mainly composed of American troops, and the Iraqi interim government on its military actions except for self-defence.

"The interim government of Iraq shall have its say on the security matter with responsibility to control the Iraqi army and police force," the paper says.

The United States and Britain introduced a draft measure on Iraq on Monday, seeking the Security Council's endorsement for the Iraqi power transfer and its authorization of the continued stay of the multinational force in Iraq after June 30.

But the text does not give a timetable for the withdrawal of the force. It only stipulates that the force's mandate would be reviewed one year later or at the request of Iraqis.

Likewise, the draft does not mention whether the new Iraqi Government would have full control of its army, and have a say on the multinational force's actions.

Besides security, China's paper also covers Iraq's political process, justice and humanitarian law, economic reconstruction, and the role of the UN.

It says that the Iraqi interim government shall exercise full sovereignty in the political, economic, security, judicial and diplomatic areas, including having the power to control and dispose of all natural and economic resources, sign economic co-operation agreements and contracts, and enjoy judicial independence and the power to administer prisons in Iraq.

The US-British draft does not specify whether the Iraqi Government would have the right to sign economic contracts with foreign countries, nor does it say whether Iraq's prisons, notorious for abuses by US troops, would be turned over to Iraqis.

Under China's proposals, UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan would consider arranging investigations on the reported violations of international humanitarian laws in Iraq.

After the council consultations, the French Ambassador to the UN, Jean-Marc de La Sabliere, told reporters that China's proposals were supported by many council members, including France.

Chinese Ambassador Wang Guangya said the co-sponsors of the Iraqi resolution have agreed to consider China's proposals.

The council is going to meet at the experts' level on the US-British draft Friday.

It needs nine "Yes" votes to be adopted, without vetoes by China, Russia, France, the United States and Britain, the five permanent council members.

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2004-05/27/content_334443.htm

Mark Sman
05-28-2004, 05:21 AM
It says that the Iraqi interim government shall exercise full sovereignty


How about letting them decide?

Argo AdAm
05-28-2004, 07:38 AM
(China Daily)
"The interim government of Iraq shall have its say on the security matter with responsibility to control the Iraqi army and police force," the paper says.
In my one-page paper I said that "interim government of Tibet should have its say responsibility to control the Tibet"


(China Daily)
It says that the Iraqi interim government shall exercise full sovereignty in the political, economic, security, judicial and diplomatic areas, including having the power to control and dispose of all natural and economic resources, sign economic co-operation agreements and contracts, and enjoy judicial independence and the power to administer prisons in Iraq.
I agree and my paper says that the Tibetian interim government shall exercise full sovereignty in...

Sorry, I simply can't resist
Regards to all Chinese ;)

J-10
05-28-2004, 07:53 AM
(China Daily)
"The interim government of Iraq shall have its say on the security matter with responsibility to control the Iraqi army and police force," the paper says.
In my one-page paper I said that "interim government of Tibet should have its say responsibility to control the Tibet"


(China Daily)
It says that the Iraqi interim government shall exercise full sovereignty in the political, economic, security, judicial and diplomatic areas, including having the power to control and dispose of all natural and economic resources, sign economic co-operation agreements and contracts, and enjoy judicial independence and the power to administer prisons in Iraq.
I agree and my paper says that the Tibetian interim government shall exercise full sovereignty in...

Sorry, I simply can't resist
Regards to all Chinese ;)

:D Are you concern about Tibet of China? Ok, pls know more about it:
http://omni.cc.purdue.edu/~wtv/tibet/history.html

Durandal
05-28-2004, 09:09 AM
*snort*

The last thing the world needs is a civics, democracy, and free will lesson from CHINA...

Just continue buying politicians in the West, violating intellectual property laws, and violating civil rights...[/u]

rokus2595
05-28-2004, 09:41 AM
It says that the Iraqi interim government shall exercise full sovereignty in the political, economic, security, judicial and diplomatic areas, including having the power to control and dispose of all natural and economic resources, sign economic co-operation agreements and contracts, and enjoy judicial independence and the power to administer prisons in Iraq.


Perhaps the most important issue in that document. Also the one reason why the US won't listen to it, as they are not interested in allowing iraqis full control in the political, economic, security, judicial and diplomatic areas. Amazingly enough, the escuse often given is because the Iraqis are not ready yet for it. :cantbeli: ....

2Sheds_Jackson
05-28-2004, 10:11 AM
OMG China stipulating things that they won't allow in their own country! That's frickin' hysterical. Hong Kong should be so lucky!

I note that it doesn't actually stipulate that the Iraqi people get to determine anything. All power is placed in the hands of the council. Gee, I wonder if maybe China has a friend or two on the council, since I noticed they were careful to add:


Iraqi interim government shall exercise full sovereignty in the political, economic, security, judicial and diplomatic areas, including having the power to control and dispose of all natural and economic resources, sign economic co-operation agreements and contracts

And here's a nice line:


The US-British draft does not specify whether the Iraqi Government would have the right to sign economic contracts with foreign countries, nor does it say whether Iraq's prisons, notorious for abuses by US troops, would be turned over to Iraqis.

Gosh, I thought maybe the prisons were notorious for the mass killings and torture. I guess a human pyramid or two makes people forget all the murder.

The UN, and particularly the "security" council continue to provide top-grade entertainment. You just can't buy stuff this funny.

Argo AdAm
05-28-2004, 10:48 AM
:D Are you concern about Tibet of China? Ok, pls know more about it:
http://omni.cc.purdue.edu/~wtv/tibet/history.html
Thanks, I'll read it, but let me be sceptical about this version of Tibetan history, because I'm not sure if it tells everything right... You know, it's Tibetan history written by Chinese man...
Very easily I can find many other facts about Tibet, like these:
http://www.fatherryan.org/holocaust/Tibet/history.htm
http://www.freetibet.org/info/facts/fact18.html

You said that this is not Tibet but rather "Tibet of China". Is this mean that Tibet was always part of Your country and Tibetians have always wanted to be part of Chinese Empire or they were simply forced to that. Maybe Chinese people know better what is good for Tibet than Tibetians? Hmm...

J-10
05-28-2004, 11:34 AM
:D Are you concern about Tibet of China? Ok, pls know more about it:
http://omni.cc.purdue.edu/~wtv/tibet/history.html
Thanks, I'll read it, but let me be sceptical about this version of Tibetan history, because I'm not sure if it tells everything right... You know, it's Tibetan history written by Chinese man...
Very easily I can find many other facts about Tibet, like these:
http://www.fatherryan.org/holocaust/Tibet/history.htm
http://www.freetibet.org/info/facts/fact18.html

You said that this is not Tibet but rather "Tibet of China". Is this mean that Tibet was always part of Your country and Tibetians have always wanted to be part of Chinese Empire or they were simply forced to that. Maybe Chinese people know better what is good for Tibet than Tibetians? Hmm...

Do not trust those Tibetian in India now, most of them were slave owners before 1959.

SpikeATGM
05-28-2004, 11:44 AM
Thanks, I'll read it, but let me be sceptical about this version of Tibetan history, because I'm not sure if it tells everything right... You know, it's Tibetan history written by Chinese man...
Very easily I can find many other facts about Tibet, like these:


So care to tell us what you know about Tibet and why you are sceptical about those version and why you believe the other version. Whats the differences between different version?

Loco
05-28-2004, 12:25 PM
I find quite strange the fact that China canīt talk about Iraq or any chinese canīt say any opinion without being unqualified, seriously: why? Nobody here is more qualified than a chinese to give any opinion about Iraq, this is so obvious that even itīs stupid to say it. Can we go back to chinese proposition about Iraq? Itīs irritant this tactic of hijacking any thread when we donīt like it. :slap:
But if you want, we can go on talking of Tibet, because when Iīm looking at news in Tv while Iīm eating a bocadillo de jamón serrano con queso(is something like a little missile of bread with crude ham and cheese inside of it) it happens that strange things cross my mind and then I wonder: Why in the hell that fuc##"" jer@ Deeleeh Lohmoo or so wearing a safrane tunic near that Hollywood actor is always smiling??? Should I join Al Qaida and donīt eating porky bocadillos any more??? Well, not always I think the same things, but you now man is a miserable creature.
Bye, have a nice week end. :P

Mo
05-28-2004, 12:39 PM
That's funny, how about they pull their troops out of Tibet? How about they leave Taiwan alone?

Argo AdAm
05-28-2004, 12:45 PM
Thanks, I'll read it, but let me be sceptical about this version of Tibetan history, because I'm not sure if it tells everything right... You know, it's Tibetan history written by Chinese man...
Very easily I can find many other facts about Tibet, like these:

So care to tell us what you know about Tibet and why you are sceptical about those version and why you believe the other version. Whats the differences between different version?
I know one thing - Chinese government and people have alwyas considered Tibet as a part of China and Tibetians as one of many ethnic grops who live in China. Everything would seem to be all right but Tibetians don't think in that way, so? Who has the right to decide whose Tibet is? Nation who has lived there from ages, who has their own culture, language and history or people who come there with guns (and doesn't matter when they did it)? You can think and say what you want, but you can't change the fact that Tibet for many years was free and independent untill Chinese army conquered it. Do you think Tibetians had alwyas dreamed to be under Chinese control and they welcamed Chinese occupation (so called authonomy)?
And ;)