Is the U.S. finally making its final preperations for an attack on Iran. SCENARIO

[Lee]

From a lot of articles ive been reading lately it sounds like an attack on Iran might be a reality soon. I know that there has been a lot of talk before in the past few years but now it seems more like the real things. An article by Pat Buchanon for one. http://www.buchanan.org/blog/

And this article: http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/JD12Ak03.html

Let me make a scenario if it happens: First it seems that Iran is provoking a war with the U.S. with all the radical talk coming out by Ahmad. and the fact that now they say they are activating 6000 centrifuges. What I believe is Iran thinks that they can defeat the U.S. What I think might happen is that when we attack Iran, Iran will respond by declaring war on the U.S. They will move a lot of military up to their border with Iraq knowing that we(U.S.) are overstretched now as far as military and in an unpopular war. Imagine hundreds of thousands of troops poised to attack Iraq. They could also hit U.S. forces inside Iraq with missiles that would cause heavy causalties and that would cause an uproar in the U.S. homeland. Iran also knows that a draft would be necessary in the U.S. and that would be highly unpopular and cause great divisions in U.S. society. In short, Iran thinks that she can get us into a bigger war that we can't extricate ourselves from and with high causalties it will be like Vietnam again. So by holding out for a long war Iran thinks that she can defeat the U.S. and if she would Iran would be a great power in the middle east.

[Zalmoxes]

I'll make my opinion quick. Have to go soon. I think there is an effort made now to eliminate the trouble makers in Iran (assassinations). Should that fail, there is a big possibility that the US will hit Iran hard, but only with bombs and SF on ground which are already there. The US will in no way allow a full out war with Iran. If it comes to that, even Europe will support it and send troops as they know what Iranian missiles in Ayatollah hands means. Israel first, second day Europe. I think there is intense negotiations going on now on who will take the initiative (Israel, USA, Europe) or maybe even Egypt, Jordan and the other "friendly Arabs". I am as sure as I can be that Iran will get hit BIG TIME before Bush leaves office. I think they are looking at a war that imitates the first gulf war. Hit them but don't invade. Or maybe they (the new coalition) will invade thinking that now they have experience and will not repeat Iraq. Nevertheless, Irans weapons and SF barracks will get hit big time as well as it's leadership structure (if and only if there are "approved" politicians waiting for the Western powers to strike. Hope what I said is understandable, and others, please add your ops.

[Nano]

Wow a lot of war fever is breaking out. I would take it that all those who are for attacking Iran stand to profit or gain from it somehow. Iran is no real threat to the US. Anyone who wishes war with the US is suicidal in a suicide by cop sort of way. Iran is not provoking any war. The fact is the opposite is true and we are trying to provoke a reaction from Iran. Iran is probably **** scared of the prospect of war. Iran would be wise to acquire nuclear weapons as a deterrent. Why you ask? Look at China, Pakistan, and North Korea just to name a few. These countries have long be due for some "liberating", but we have done nothing and in fact to some degree aid them in their campaign to oppress their own people.

[BloodyTalon]

We've been "on the verge of war" with Iran in some variation or another since 2005. It aint gonna happen this year, and probably not next, or the year after. End of conversation.

[wagon]

I think Iran is like a paper wasp nest high in a tree - you can see them, they can see you, you know they are dangerous. So you leave them alone. Get a stick and poke the nest you will be bitten.

[Hellfish]

I think something'll happen before Shrub finally gets out of office.

[bigvig]

I don't think so. Americans are extremely war weary by now. No amount of paranoia will bring about a war. Unless of course Iran acts first.

[Hellfish]

I don't think the American people factor into any action we take against Iran. Shrub realizes that he's either gonna have a liberal democrat or a liberal republican in office after him to deal with the aftermath.

[TheKiwi]

In a "I've left a turd on the oval office chair" kind of a way?

[Hellfish]

Yup. And when has American public opinion mattered to Shrub in the first place?

[TheKiwi]

On 2 occasions I'll have you know, November 2000 and November 2004. :D

[Nano]

^I'm thinking that some secret op will take place in Iran and they will respond in kind. That will set off our retribution via air strikes on their facilities. If this were all come to pass I hope Iran did not plan ahead and has unknown sleeper cells here in the US ready to strike.

[SOG]

I don't think we will be attacking Iran anytime this year simply because doing so would have tremendous effect for political parties, what they vote on and why. Unless we really needed to goto war, I see no reason why our loving politicians "who have our best interests in mind" would do such a thing or to their careers so close to voting season.

But hey, anything could happen in 2009.

[Power_serj]

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"Is the U.S finally making its final preperations for an attack on Iran."

[Hellfish]

On 2 occasions I'll have you know, November 2000 and November 2004. :D

You could argue the first and thank Osama for the second.

[Bohemoth]

War or not war, doomsday scenarios for the U.S. are wrong, because other than with Iraq, Iran is pissing off pretty all NATO members and all big players that hesitated or refused about Iraq will fully join the party this time. p-)

[Beiruty]

Wrong... Israel got the bomb, then India, Pakistan and finally North Korea. No one flinched. Once Iran is there, so will be KSA, Egypt and possibly Syria. No one will give a damn. The Bomb will buy you protection but sorry you can't use it. It is been the case between Russia and US for like 53 years ....

The claim that some states are labeled "Terrorist Supporting State" does not float as those are states and not some suicidal "dooms day" wackos.

Going to war to stop a country like Iran from getting the Bomb is not easy. If it was the case, the US or South Korea would have stopped North Korea from getting the bomb.

[Bohemoth]

Wrong... Israel got the bomb, then India, Pakistan and finally North Korea. No one flinched. Once Iran is there, so will be KSA, Egypt and possibly Syria. No one will give a damn. The Bomb will buy you protection but sorry you can't use it. It is been the case between Russia and US for like 53 years ....

The claim that some states are labeled "Terrorist Supporting State" does not float as those are states and not some suicidal "dooms day" wackos.

Going to war to stop a country like Iran from getting the Bomb is not easy. If it was the case, the US or South Korea would have stopped North Korea from getting the bomb.
Didn't hear Israel or any other of your listed countries say they will erase another country from the map, though.

Btw, it may not even need the USA to solve the Iran issue.
French President Sarkozy expressed the will to bomb Iran on its own, if diplomacy fails.

Read the news dude, Iran is pissing off so many big fish in this world, they won't get away with that.

[BearInBunnySuit]

Going to war to stop a country like Iran from getting the Bomb is not easy. If it was the case, the US or South Korea would have stopped North Korea from getting the bomb.

Excellent point.

BTW, are you from Beirut and that postcard picture in your profile, is that anywhere near Pigeon's Rock?

[Load Toad]

Perhaps if we hadn't gone with Operation Ajax in '53 we would have to be worrying about this f' scenario.

[Nansouty]

Didn't hear Israel or any other of your listed countries say they will erase another country from the map, though.

Btw, it may not even need the USA to solve the Iran issue.
French President Sarkozy expressed the will to bomb Iran on its own, if diplomacy fails.

Read the news dude, Iran is pissing off so many big fish in this world, they won't get away with that.

That was before the last NIE, which changed the perception of the Iranian here somewhat...

[Pars]

Perhaps if we hadn't gone with Operation Ajax in '53 we would have to be worrying about this f' scenario.

Qouted for truth.

[Beiruty]

Excellent point.

BTW, are you from Beirut and that postcard picture in your profile, is that anywhere near Pigeon's Rock?

Sure, I am. However, like many Lebanese, I am dual citizen and living in my 3rd country!.

It is an areal view Beirut. Here is anohter one:
http://www2.bc.edu/%7Emamlouk/GreaterBeirut.jpg

Here is our lovely "Rock":

http://www.gulfwingstravel.ae/images/sea-rock-beirut-photo-beirut-_smgpx10001x14405x1376bc0a9%5b1%5d.jpeg

[Bongopete]

I think that there are a lot of people around here who just want to see another war take place.

[Sand Man]

That's not a good thing.

[jennery587]

Didn't hear Israel or any other of your listed countries say they will erase another country from the map, though.

Btw, it may not even need the USA to solve the Iran issue.
French President Sarkozy expressed the will to bomb Iran on its own, if diplomacy fails.

Read the news dude, Iran is pissing off so many big fish in this world, they won't get away with that.


gosh grown up i hate when people still usaed israel should erase from the map, second france cant handle war with iran, sarkozy just talking, he want france to back in intl cenes

[Sanat-e-naft]

Nobody is bombing Iran. They can cause all kinds of problems for the US that would make Iraq look like a playground. These clowns can actually hit us where it hurts, and that is not something we can deal with in our economy right now. Not to mention that a significant number of American lives are very clearly at risk of being lost in a shooting war with Iran.

[Snoshi]

Nobody is bombing Iran. They can cause all kinds of problems for the US that would make Iraq look like a playground. These clowns can actually hit us where it hurts, and that is not something we can deal with in our economy right now. Not to mention that a significant number of American lives are very clearly at risk of being lost in a shooting war with Iran.

Many people here overrate the Iranian threat and response.. I agree that Iran should not be underestimated.. But many people here buy Iranian propaganda.

[Sanat-e-naft]

It is the economic factors that really make this a real problem. Sure Iran could fire some missles, some will get shot out of the air, others will miss, etc. The Iranian response would likely be by arming and letting loose their minions in Iraq, Afghanistan, and around Israel. Manpads could be provided that would change the dynamics of how the US fights in Iraq and Afghanistan etc. However, the most significant impact could be the mining of oil taker routes and straits or hormouz etc. Just the words War with Iran would make gas prices sky rocket. With our fragile economy, there are not many people who could long afford gas prices of 7 or 8 dollars a gallon.

[Snoshi]

It is the economic factors that really make this a real problem. Sure Iran could fire some missles, some will get shot out of the air, others will miss, etc. The Iranian response would likely be by arming and letting loose their minions in Iraq, Afghanistan, and around Israel. Manpads could be provided that would change the dynamics of how the US fights in Iraq and Afghanistan etc. However, the most significant impact could be the mining of oil taker routes and straits or hormouz etc. Just the words War with Iran would make gas prices sky rocket. With our fragile economy, there are not many people who could long afford gas prices of 7 or 8 dollars a gallon.

Again.. I wont believe that USA will go to war with Iran without negotiating with Saudi Arabia about producing more oil.. Sure prices will go up, but if Saudi Arabia will produce more oil the the "sky rocketing" of prices can be avoid.

Also Iran just talks about mining Hormuz, but why would they do it? US campaign wont be aimed at taking over the country, but it will be aimed at paralysing and destroying Iranian military infrastructure.. And if Iran closes of Hormuz(which i doubt they can) then their economy will collapse and Iran does not want that to happen.

[Sanat-e-naft]

Bottom line, there are too many ways for this to go wrong for the US to attack.

[Snoshi]

Bottom line, there are too many ways for this to go wrong for the US to attack.

Same can be said about what will happen if Israel/USA wont take any action.

[Sanat-e-naft]

Sure, that can be said. However, I think that the problems with attacking will preclude an attack from happening on the US end. Now Israel is a whole different bird, and to be honest, not even the US can really control them. So they may try on their own, but that would simply be a big mistake since then we arent talking B2's and F-22's but F-16's and F-15's which would likely fall prey to air defences much more readily.

[cyberoverlord0]

I believe that they only way the U.S. would attack Iran is if the Iranians do something stupid. Like start building parts for nuclear weapons, if they test a nuclear weapon, or their President tries to do something to Isreal. Then you'll see B-2s flying over Tehran.

[killerkai2]

I hope not, i think the Americans would have done it a long time ago but for the Iraqi insurgency.

[Waterman]

The current Iranian president is a man with a large ego. He very much likes seeing himself on CNN. Without all the rehtoric that he spits out, we would hear little from him or about him. It was his rehtoric that gets him on the news, gets him invited the UN, Venezuela, etc, etc, etc.. He likes being a media star and stirring the pot to get himself attention. It pads his ego.

A major Iranian move would only invite his downfall. We don't need to invade & occupy Iran to make his life VERY unpleasant. The USAF could quite literally bomb Iran back into the middle ages in a matter of months. Would lots of civilians die ? Yes. But if Iran made the first move and provoked international outrage and action, few people outside of Iran would care. (Was there a big fuss in WW2 as the USAAF firebombed Japanese & German cities, killing civillians by the thousands ? Not really. Why not ? It was felt they deserved it, AS A RESULT OF THE ACTIONS OF THEIR GOVERNMENT.)

If a 9/11-style attack (or worse) were perpetrated by a foreign power on the US or it's allies, the American people (bed wetting liberal and peace niks included) would completely back a very harsh US response. In short, the offending nation would be reduced to a smoldering radioactive parking lot.

Think back to just 48hrs after the 9/11 attacks. If Iran had stood up and said "We got you ! Take that Great Satan !" what would have happened ?

TOTAL DESTRUCTION

The Iranian president is like a kid who teases a big dog, from the other side of the fence. He knows he can rattle the fence.....and even throw some rocks at the dog.

But he also knows that if he crosses over that fence.....his @$$ will get MAULED !

[nowcivvy]

The Iranian president is like a kid who teases a big dog, from the other side of the fence. He knows he can rattle the fence.....and even throw some rocks at the dog.

But he also knows that if he crosses over that fence.....his @$$ will get MAULED !

The Radicals that burn flags and swear to destroy nations are just that big-mouthed and incapable of even getting close to winning a battle let alone a war with the US. If they can produce nukes and get them to US or their Allies soil then suddenly they have their weapon and I am sure, the will to use it.
Lets hope they never have access to them, I'd say if you are intent on hurting someone and you are raised to hate them then what better weapon could there be? Why else do they want them to stop Israel from invading to steal goats?