What? Iraqi's abused and killed US POWs, NO!!

[shrek]

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/05/27/iraq.pow/index.html

[mack pl]

RIP :(

its fuzkin **** when POWs are killing, but some kinds of "people" dont care what GC is :|

[shrek]

Amen to that!

[Uncle Sam]

I think I read somewhere (I will find it) That this guy was the hero of the day at the ambush site. I think he is up for the CMH.

But it sure puts things into perspective.

[Secret Squirrel]

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/05/27/iraq.pow/index.html

any reports that list exactly why the military changed his status or came to their conclusions over a year after he died? not looking for a flame, just curious how the investigators came to this conclusion.

[shrek]

I didn't see any, probably has to do with method of death, powder burns on head from close contact wound to the back of head etc.

[Secret Squirrel]

I didn't see any, probably has to do with method of death, powder burns on head from close contact wound to the back of head etc.

ok, an excution style gun wound would certainly do it. Would be nice to know exactly how they arrived at this conclusion over a full year later.

[ibstolidude]

despite Mr. Conpiracy Theories best efforts, a simple understanding of judicial and investigative procedures would tell you that typically you conduct the investigation THEN make the report/accusations.


Ten ongoing criminal investigations are connected to other soldiers killed in the 507th ambush. Walters' investigation is the first to be near completion.

Crazy I know, but imagine that; the Army conducted the investigation THEN released the results - those crazy kids!

[Secret Squirrel]

despite Mr. Conpiracy Theories best efforts, a simple understanding of judicial and investigative procedures would tell you that typically you conduct the investigation THEN make the report/accusations.


Ten ongoing criminal investigations are connected to other soldiers killed in the 507th ambush. Walters' investigation is the first to be near completion.

Crazy I know, but imagine that; the Army conducted the investigation THEN released the results - those crazy kids!

how long would it take to investigate a bullet in the back of the head with powder burns? if their evidence is something like that?

[ibstolidude]

despite Mr. Conpiracy Theories best efforts, a simple understanding of judicial and investigative procedures would tell you that typically you conduct the investigation THEN make the report/accusations.


Ten ongoing criminal investigations are connected to other soldiers killed in the 507th ambush. Walters' investigation is the first to be near completion.

Crazy I know, but imagine that; the Army conducted the investigation THEN released the results - those crazy kids!

how long would it take to investigate a bullet in the back of the head with powder burns? if their evidence is something like that?
actually considering the process of investigation in the US army it can take a very long time. Considering the first thing that must be done is recommendation for investigation; if approved a preliminary investigation will be conducted to determined if a full investigation is needed into the matter, they will gather the initial sources of information and formulate recommendations and refer/determine the investigation to the proper investigating authority (in the civilian world a Grande Jury performs a similiar funtion, however the power is more broad in the military) - after this receives multiple levels of approval - it will be investigated by the appropriate authority. For an investigation of this type it would require the mortuary services and forensic specialists (of which there is only one location and very few specialists - who alone could not make the determination), it would require the investigative authority ( I can only speculate it would be involving CID and/or MP's) both of which would need to collect AAR's, first hand accounts (certainly waiting to try and speak to the survivors), and physical evidence.

Despite your pedantic comments and apparent desires to dissuade from the fact that man was murdered and the implications that the US Army is "hiding" something - the timeline of the investigation is fairly realistic, especially given the fact they are also fighting a war.

[shrek]

You know in a non-gay way I love you IB!

[Secret Squirrel]

despite Mr. Conpiracy Theories best efforts, a simple understanding of judicial and investigative procedures would tell you that typically you conduct the investigation THEN make the report/accusations.


Ten ongoing criminal investigations are connected to other soldiers killed in the 507th ambush. Walters' investigation is the first to be near completion.

Crazy I know, but imagine that; the Army conducted the investigation THEN released the results - those crazy kids!

how long would it take to investigate a bullet in the back of the head with powder burns? if their evidence is something like that?
actually considering the process of investigation in the US army it can take a very long time. Considering the first thing that must be done is recommendation for investigation; if approved a preliminary investigation will be conducted to determined if a full investigation is needed into the matter, they will gather the initial sources of information and formulate recommendations and refer/determine the investigation to the proper investigating authority (in the civilian world a Grande Jury performs a similiar funtion, however the power is more broad in the military) - after this receives multiple levels of approval - it will be investigated by the appropriate authority. For an investigation of this type it would require the mortuary services and forensic specialists (of which there is only one location and very few specialists - who alone could not make the determination), it would require the investigative authority ( I can only speculate it would be involving CID and/or MP's) both of which would need to collect AAR's, first hand accounts (certainly waiting to try and speak to the survivors), and physical evidence.

Despite your pedantic comments and apparent desires to dissuade from the fact that man was murdered and the implications that the US Army is "hiding" something - the timeline of the investigation is fairly realistic, especially given the fact they are also fighting a war.

I'm not debating whether he was murdered or not; just wondering if anyone knows exactly how his status was changed.

[Marmot1]

Wow And I was sure our polish couets are slow... :roll:

But it sounds suspicious that they released this info now... not to mention that there are no details about his death...


BTW for what purpose Iraqis would kill POW especially when they captured 3 others in the same skirmish and even rendered medical hep to them :roll:

[shrek]

This explains it better Squirrely!

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,121216,00.html

[Marmot1]

Lynch was rescued from an Iraqi hospital April 1, 2003, while seven others captured in the ambush were freed 12 days later.


Seven??? I was sure 3 were captured not seven....


Anyway THX shrek that article explain a lot...

[Secret Squirrel]

This explains it better Squirrely!

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,121216,00.html
thanks, thats what i was looking for.

[MEGR]

This is old news to me. When this whole thing with that supply convoy being ambushed started, and seeing a bunch of dead US soldiers in enemy hands with bullets in their head already told me they were executed. They showed it on the news a while ago, i wish i could find the video to show i'm not insane.. Most of if not all had bullet wounds to the head, and the people who found them certainly said they were executed.

[wyrm_142]

Seven??? I was sure 3 were captured not seven....



There were seven total POW's, five from the 507th and the two CWO's from the AH-64D that was taken down.

[Falco]

RIP :(

[OldRecon]

Well, don't think ever that Iraq have claimed to be the land of the free and the guardian of Democracy.
Thus they are less exposed to the pitfall of saying one thing and doing another.
That said bad treatment of prisoners is bad behaviour, irrespective of wether you represent a democratic nation or not.
On the other hand if one side treat prisoners badly, the other side doesn't have to follow suit.
Though if you don't follow suit, don't expect the oposition to moderate their bad behaviour of prisoners overnight. That's a process that can take generations.
As of Afghanistan and the Muslim militants fighting the coalition forces there, it wouldn't surprise me if they're so piss poor they'll not be able to sustain any prisoners.
Similar to what happened to a unit of Scottish mercenary soldiers during the 17th century, in the service of the king of Sweden, trying tro transit to Sweden through Norway.
In that age when soldiers basicaly lived of the land, the Norwegian farmers rose against the Scottish soldiers, in order protect their meager harvest from being confiscated by the soldiers, and decimated their unit in an ambush. Few of the Scots escaped, and of those taken as prisoners most were slaugthered outright by the local farmers, as they didn't have enough food to feed both themselves and the prisoners through the upcoming winter.

[LordHalbert]

Al-Jazeera will probably have no more than a setence (if that) describing this.